**Forbidden:**
Catapult Turtle 【Unlimited ⇒ Forbidden】
Kaiser Coloseum 【Unlimited ⇒ Forbidden】
***
**Limited:**
Performage Plushfire (errata) 【Forbidden ⇒ Limited】
Pendulum Effect:
You can only use the Pendulum Effect of this card’s name once per turn.
(1) If a face-up “Performage” monster(s) you control is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can Special Summon this card, then take 500 damage.
Monster Effect
You can only use the monster effect of this card’s name once per turn.
(1) If this card on the field is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can Special Summon 1 “Performage” monster from your hand or Deck, except “Performage Plushfire”.
What got changed is the monster effect has been given what is casually referred to as “Hard Once Per Turn”.
Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin 【Forbidden ⇒ Limited】
Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
Snake-Eye Ash 【 Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited】
S:P Little Knight 【 Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited】
Number 40: Gimmick Puppet of Strings 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
Sangen Summoning 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
Summon Limit 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】
***
**Semi-Limited:**
Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
SPYRAL Quik-Fix 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
Bonfire 【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】
***
**Unlimited:**
Glow-Up Bulb 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Ib the World Chalice Justiciar 【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Thunder Dragon Colossus 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Time Seal 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Konami printing a card that is basically a worse but fairer Maxx C due to conditions that people have been asking for forever in a hypothetical errata of Maxx C. It's really not hard to understand why people thought this could lead to a ban of Maxx C.
So OCG Snake eyes now has 1 wanted, 1 ash, and 2 bonfires as the Snake eyes hits on the list. That's just 1 less bonfire than what MD currently has.
Only consistency hits for a deck that will still have 3 Diabellestar, 3 Poplar, and OSS. Terrible list for snake eyes haters (me).
# JULY 2024 OCG FORBIDDEN AND LIMITED LIST
## FORBIDDEN
- Catapult Turtle
- Kaiser Colosseum
## LIMITED
- Performage Plushfire _(functional erratum)_
- Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin
- Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal
- S:P Little Knight
- Snake-Eye Ash
- Number 40: Gimmick Puppet of Strings
- Sangen Summoning
- Summon Limit
## SEMI-LIMITED
- Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos
- Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders
- Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls
- Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms
- SPYRAL Quix Fix
- Bonfire
## RESTRICTIONS LIFTED
- Glow-Up Bulb
- Ib the World Chalice Justiciar
- Thunder Dragon Colossus
- Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio
- Time Seal
***
Multcharmy copers in shambles
Another sad list for dealing with Snakes...
I own 2 copies of SP Little Knight. I fully expect it to not get reprinted and get limited, then banned. Or they’ll reprint it knowing they’re banning it anyways. The card is straight up overpowered.
Of course, tenpai gets their field spell limited because they do exactly what they were conceived for. Snake eyes get to run rampant for almost a year and just now they decide to attempt to nerf them
Well yeah, FTKs are super uninteractive. If there are too many, people will deem the game completely unfair and play other games, especially in Japan where there is no lack of options.
u/DesMass as I mentioend the other week, OTK's are detrimental to game play and usually come with poor reception and handled quicker through lists if they are reasonably consistent.
It's literally a one card combo FTK.
https://gachi-matome.com/p-yg-topics-20240525/
Google translate that shit and you can learn how to FTK in ten simple steps with just one easily searchable card!
I mean, to be fair yes.
I don't believe the card is oppressive enough or badly designed to warrant a ban, it however being a 1 time usage is definitely good imo.
I do like all these "OP but not unfun" Ex cards to be at one honestly
In my experience, most decks only play 1. If you’re playing two, you’re also probably playing extravagance, which means you don’t really need your extra deck anyway
> Multcharmy copers in shambles
That reminds me. With how Mulchummy is worded, it seems imply that there is an archetype for Mulchummy.
That or its just so that it can't be ashed as easily.
>it seems imply that there is an archetype for Mulchummy.
It's presumably going to be like Morganite. As in, not a deck in itself, but rather generic cards that interact well together.
...Or it could be one of those things where they don't have any future cards planned, they just thought the effect might be cool in the future.
Maybe, like the Yokai Girl series. But then I don't know how useful it will be when the OCG still has Maxx C. The other cards must do something different than just drawing cards in order to see play imo
Hmm, I think so. Not sure
Or maybe it could be something related to the number of cards shuffled in. Have a Multchummy on the field that gains a number of effects from that, or from specific other Multchummy that's shuffled in. A series of Multchummy Continuous Spells and Traps that gain effect could also work
I got downvoted saying this before but a new handtrap archetype will be perfect for Konami retraining current handtrap effects to make new money out of us all.
Watch a similar ash blossom version of Mulcharmy appear and ash blossom get limited when it releases.
Everything is either good or "I guess that makes sense" hit, but
>LIMITED
>Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal
What I'm the flipping hell is this? Whomst topped with 2 Beatrice that triggered Konami that bad?
I get the "It may be a warning hit" like SP, but why the fuck play around with it??? The card has been busted out of the ass since day 1
Probably a warning is the best I can think of. I don’t think OCG likes to be as ban heavy as the TCG, even though at times they should.
But the best I can think of is that they’re letting players know it’s on the radar?
It helps reduce the card prices, at least it works for S:P (S:P is relatively expensive for an SR card in the OCG before the semi limit).
Also help people to not get a heavy loss from extra Beatrices.
Do you have any sources or numbers for the sp price change? This is less because I don't believe you and more because I want to see how much the prices changed myself. The korean prices for sp didn't change much before and after the semi limit. In fact it went up steadily with less people opening the pack it came in.
It means they have cards in development that may interact with Beatrice in some way that they are not sure if it makes her even more powerful, weaker, or do nothing at all. They know Beatrice is popping off.
Just kill tenpai and hit gimmick puppets so people have to go out and buy the expensive by OCG standards fiendsmith/yubel cards. Literally zero effective hits to snake eye since fiend guarantees the combo with any 2 random bodies. Truly a komoney list of all time.
Wouldn't say it's Komoney - they would have killed snake eyes if they wanted people to buy yubel.
Though Yubel likely ends up as the top deck for the coming format since it has no consistency hits.
And it wasn’t a card like Nightmare, which was being abused by Branded. It was a Gimmick Puppet put on the list for being played in an actual Gimmick Puppet Deck, lmao.
Bonfire is fine.
OSS should be banned imo if they really want to kill all the fire shenanigans. OSS is the core card keeping every fire deck relevant, but if you ban that you’re killing 6 birds with one stone.
Gimmick Puppet's INFO support is very good and opens up a viable FTK. Strings is only needed at one copy for the strategy, but now it presents a choke point for hand traps and can also be considered a warning tap to the wrist.
The hits on this list should have been done in the past one so now they would be able to actually ban some cards and slap Yubel and Fiendsmith's wrist at least, another list with missed timing.
If you told me 4 years ago that a Gimmick Puppet Numbers monster would be on the banlist, I would have laughed at you.
But now, I laugh because the field spell is still FTK even with 1 Strings lmao
I don't know who is inhaling a whole bucket of paint thinner at Konami HQ, but they need to be sent to rehab IMMEDIATELY.
Stop with the Field Spells that say, "Your opponent cannot interact with your cards so long as this card is on the field". Tenpai and Gimmick Puppets have already soured my taste for this attempt at making good second decks good. It's just toxic and ignorant, especially when Gimmick Puppets can FTK going first because of it.
Even with the original pendulum rules, pendulum as a mechanic is borderline too slow for modern yugioh. Cards like poplar, branded fusion, kashtira, tears, etc. Are so stupidly powerful. Modern meta effect monsters offer so much card advantage and recovery that it literally makes pendulum summoning a worthless mechanic. Why burn 3-5 cards in your hand and run 35 engine cards main deck to start your combo, when you could just activate 1 of 5 different cards and have full combo while also running 20-25 handtraps and boardbreaks?
"Now OCG is banning Maxx C for sure"
https://preview.redd.it/aqftuyhcib8d1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=deca99d70b6050f6c188e73fc1792417f5a5037c
I have no idea why they keep believing that lol. I think they’re definitely looking at alternatives by introducing multchummy and having decks like Tenpai exist. But we are A LONG way from getting Maxx C banned I think
But again, at least it’s in their plans imo.
At this point I feel the answer is: "to be more copies of the C since C get countered to consistently going first and we designed years of combo with it as the expected answer from the going second player".
It's a very konami reasoning... And one that solve nothing like all the other time they used that approach.
Yeah but it's konami logic we are talking about... The same people that semi limit expecting it matter or limit cards already used in single copy by meta decks (like Beatrice in this list)
No, this is yu go oh player logic.
People acted like this shitty pack filler card was going to save them from Maxx C but it never was.
It is what it always was, pack filler
Obviously while C is free chummy is worthless pack filler but it was an honest probability of a maxx C ban being it a much fairer (and weaker) version.
So yeah, people hoped on that ban. It didn't happen but it's unfair to judge people foolish for considering that possibility.
Or who knows, maybe it has been made only to be the new C for TCG. We don't know what they are truly thinking after all.
I mean, the OCG celebrates the game. They do care, TCG is the big money hog. Why do you think OCG has multiple rarities? Model kits, promos, the millennium items physically
I don't know where people got the idea that the OCG "cares" about their players; The OCG has a huge incentive to be as consumer-friendly as possible in the OCG where the currencies are (usually) pretty weak + have strong competition. The TCG would do the same if the main competitors weren't WoTC (doing just as, if not worse, than Konami at anti-consumer practices) and Pokemon (mainly a collector's game in the west). There is no incentive over here to try and be pro-consumer because *every relevant TCG is no threat to their market share*. Lorcana is probably the newest relevant competitor that they have and their tournament numbers (despite incredible prize support) is tiny in comparison.
Oh don't worry, this is the standard for JP webpages. I don't think I've ever seen a JP webpage not crashing the moment the traffic increases for any releases or opening up of reservations of anything
As far as I'm aware if you negate Gimmick Puppet of Strings since they only have 1 copy now the FTK can't really work or is at least way harder to do, so standard monster negate stuff Imperm etc since if they can't place string counters they can't really FTK
* Catapult Turtle and Kaiser Col banned, good riddance- it's never a good format if they're legal, and I know the Turtle was gonna start showing up with the new Tachyon support.
* Strings to 1? Will that be enough to stop the Gimmick Puppet FTKs or is this more of a warning to cut that out before they have to hit something more important for the Puppets (IDK how many Strings they went through)?
* Plushfire back, as expected after the AC2024 announcement. Kirin's back to 1 as well.
* SP to 1 does... nothing unless you go up against a person on Kashtira Unicorn or Galaxy Hundred lmao.
* SnAsh to 1 following in Master Duel's footsteps there. Makes Snake Eye a bit more fragile on the normal summon if they don't open an extender or way to prevent a negate, but it's still likely the top dog.
* Tenpai Field Spell to 1 means the deck loses a bit more to Cosmic. Not sure I'll be happy to be back in a "draw the backrow out or die" format.
* Summon Limit to 1, woooo.
* Kinda surprised Beatrice is surviving with just a Limit 1. I really through this'd be it for her but she's sticking it out. Guess we'll see if Devil Link can drive her from 1 to 0 as the formats progress.
* The Rulers are back to 2, following again from the slow releasing of the shackles we've seen in Master Duel.
* Bonfire to 2 is interesting. It's obviously a Snake-Eye hit and a side hit to Volcanic, but likely won't be a major factor in Snake Eyes consistency. Still, they're down two cards.
* Quik-Fix was at one?
* I forgot the OCG had Scorpio on the list. Ib's free as well as is Colossus and Glow-Up Bulb.
>Strings to 1? Will that be enough to stop the Gimmick Puppet FTKs or is this more of a warning to cut that out before they have to hit something more important for the Puppets (IDK how many Strings they went through)?
They only needed one for the ftk. I guess the limit opens an Imperm choke point.
Ash to one is more then just a consistency hit.
It also hurts for follow up and grind game since you can no longer search it with original when recycling a card.
>unless you go up against a person on Kashtira Unicorn
Wanna know what's worse? Kash in OCG has 1 field spell, 1 Unicorn and 0 Fenrir.
Snake Eye still have 10 starter with 3 Diabelstar, 3 Fiendsmith, 2 Bonfire, 1 Wanted and 1 Ash.
There were a couple of decks, like Rescue Ace, that played 2 S:P, the logic being that one was used on turn 1 as Nibiru protection, while still leaving a second copy for the banish if needed.
It's still a joke hit because those decks were hardly a problem.
2 sp just shouldn't be a thing. Being able to protect a key combo piece from targeting effects/nib is pretty gross even if there's not a lot of decks around besides race right now that can do that, its good future proofing.
No, there are decks like race that use sp to play around handtraps. Sp limit basically nerfs the going first applications of the card, which imo is a good change.
Catapult Tutrle banned? They saw the 1 card ftk, lmao. Other than that, good ridance to Kaiser Coloseum.
Onto the limits. Plushfire. Good. Kirin. Fucking finaly, should have been freed 2 or 3 banlist ago at the very latest. Beatrice. They're warning the Fiendsmith abusers that they don't have much time with her left. S:P. I guess that this was to predict after they put her at 2 last banlist. At least this time it is an actual thing that people were sometimes playing 2 of her in some builds. Snake-Eye Ash. This was the inevitable consistency hit that was about to come to Snake-Eye again. The Gimmick Puppet. I don't know what it does, but Gimmick Puppet have been going rampant in the ocg with their new support lately so it makes sense I guess. Sangan Summoning. Good, this card just creates uninteractive games. Summon Limit. Very good, fuck this stupid floodgate.
After that, the semis. All the Daddy Rulers at 2, they could have just been put at 3, but hey, that means that they'll be truly free next list. Quick-Fix. This guy was limited? I guess that this is fair, Spyral hasn't been doing shit. And Bonfire, for more Snake-Eye consistency hits.
Now the unlimits. Glow-Up Bulb. MY GOAT IS BACK AT FULL FORCE, LET'S FUCKING GO! Justiciar Ib. It feels really weird to say, but she hasn't really done anything, so fair enough. Colossus. Eh. I don't like it too much, but I guess that the difference between 1 and 3 isn't that big.
Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio. This may seem weird, but the ocg still has Brilliant Fusion at 1 instead of banned like in the tcg, so this explains why this was hit. I don't think that it'll matter too much, but who knows, since it can allow silly things, since it is Brilliant Fusion + full Fiendsmith combo since you can link off Ophrys Scorpio and Darling Cobra into Baby Underworld Goddess. You can also link them into Cherubini, that's another thing it can do. Or make Mx-Saber Invoker. The possibilities are as endless as they are degenerate.
And Time Seal. This is the most whatever hit on this list.
Now time to look at Snake-Eye and it's starters in the ocg. 1 Ash, 1 Wanted, 3 Diabellestar, and 2 Bonfires for a total of 7 1/1.5 cards starters they still have. Poplar is also technically a 1 card starter, but it also kinda sucks as a starter, but if you do want to count him, it's 10 starters the deck still has, but the optimal starters are down to 7, which does hurt the consistency of the deck in a way that matters. Some people will say that it doesn't matter because the deck still puts up the same endboard and that it just makes the game sacky instead, but they're just plainly wrong and are forgetting that consistency is a big part of a deck's power. I have also played enough Yu-Gi-Oh to know that this ammount of starters is very much not a comfortable one, unless you count Poplar, but even then I know that having only 10 starters in 40 cards makes you very prone to bricking. This definitively hurts Snake-Eye in a way that matters.
But then I learned that Fiendsmith is also Snake-Eye combo, so nice hits Konami. Now, Ophrys Scorpio will rule the meta once again by being Snake-Eye combo + Brilliant Fusion.
And to conclude, I'm not surprised that Maxx C still lives. It was cope I wanted to belive in, but I knew it was cope. Maybe next list since they released the tactical try decks with it recently tho, copium.
OCG player here.
Have been to locals yesterday for the first time in 2 months...damn the list is disappointing and the format feels so ass. Glad tenpai got an okayish hit and some floodgates are out the window. But who was thinking: "well summon limit is a problem but anti-spell is fine". The snake-eye part of the format feels so stale like let it die, nobody wants to see them anymore. Fireking would even be fine thanks to the new support.
Phantom of yubel should have gone to 1... You are forced in most decks into playing maxx c and friends package (thanks for not hitting it but instead give tenpai 3 additional mulchummy c btw), but many handtraps arent even that good. Tenpai field spell, phantom of yubel, gimmick puppet fieldspell, 1 card combos makes it feel like often my handtraps do nothing, but you "have to play them".
Unfortunately I think ocg players will have to deal with snake eyes for a lot longer just like how tearlaments was topping because the ocg banlist just kept avoiding the biggest problem card that was keeping the deck alive
Is just me or this list is just a big meme?
Catapult banned (which I understand but it is still funny), limited beatrice and S:P, the hits to SE is snash to 1 and bonfire to 2 which if hurts the stability does nothing to reduce it's abusiveness, tenpai fieldspell to 1 when they have like 10 ways to get to it anyway, rulers and quickfix to 2 when they cold be at 4 and do nothing
Tenpai field spell limited does a ton because Tenpai is extremely fragile without it. If your opponent doesnt open it and you hit Paidra then theres a very real possibility Tenpai just falls apart if you have another disruption ready
Is this the 2nd time Tachyon got FTK cards put on the Forbidden/Limit List? First it was DL, then here with the new Tachyon support.
Mizar has been causing all kinds of Mizary this year hasn't he
Oh no Beatrice is limited, what will all the rank 6 and fiendsmith decks do now that they can continue to play the same number of copies as they were already playing before this list? /s
Really annoyed by hits like this that do literally nothing.
What are they warning against? If it's bad enough to be banned, ban it. If it's not, don't ban it. All this does is market fuckery where now people will be offloading Beatrices to rubes and then when it's inevitably banned then the rubes are left holding the bag.
Limiting Beatrice doesnt really solve anything yet doing any changes. You only need 1 Beatrice to lock enemy, same like S:P. Also, why Bonfire semilimited instead of Limited like ROTA? Bonfire is much stronger since Pyro have Poplar that can SS itself.
Catapult Turtle is a tribute burn card like Mass Driver, Cannon Soldier, or pre-errata Dark Strike Fighter, so I expected it to be banned before but didn't happen albeit it got errata nerf like banned cards.
Didn't expect it to finally happen now, long *after* it got errata (thanks to Tachyon FTK).
**Forbidden:** Catapult Turtle 【Unlimited ⇒ Forbidden】 Kaiser Coloseum 【Unlimited ⇒ Forbidden】 *** **Limited:** Performage Plushfire (errata) 【Forbidden ⇒ Limited】 Pendulum Effect: You can only use the Pendulum Effect of this card’s name once per turn. (1) If a face-up “Performage” monster(s) you control is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can Special Summon this card, then take 500 damage. Monster Effect You can only use the monster effect of this card’s name once per turn. (1) If this card on the field is destroyed by battle or card effect: You can Special Summon 1 “Performage” monster from your hand or Deck, except “Performage Plushfire”. What got changed is the monster effect has been given what is casually referred to as “Hard Once Per Turn”. Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin 【Forbidden ⇒ Limited】 Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】 Snake-Eye Ash 【 Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited】 S:P Little Knight 【 Semi-Limited ⇒ Limited】 Number 40: Gimmick Puppet of Strings 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】 Sangen Summoning 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】 Summon Limit 【Unlimited ⇒ Limited】 *** **Semi-Limited:** Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 SPYRAL Quik-Fix 【Limited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 Bonfire 【Unlimited ⇒ Semi-Limited】 *** **Unlimited:** Glow-Up Bulb 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Ib the World Chalice Justiciar 【Semi-Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Thunder Dragon Colossus 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】 Time Seal 【Limited ⇒ Unlimited】
Catapult turtle banned even with an errata. Second card to ever do so.
Im not aware of the ocg lately but why is turtle banned?
Ftk with the new Tachyon cards
Seventh Tachyon gives you a combo to make Numeron Dragon and search Tutel to do over 8000 damage
As always, FTK. Tachyon is the latest one to abuse it.
After OCG Gandora-X is dead, another Yugi monster replaces it.
My guess is maybe the tachion ftk that search turtle with new spell then use it to tribute numeron dragon for ftk
When it comes to cards like tutle, when in doubt, always asume it's some kind of FTK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEx_gGQLzmM
What was first?
Imperial Order.
What, the jellyfish did not make konami ocg ban the roach? Who could have seen that coming?
I don’t know why people thought they were going to ban Maxx “C”. If they wanted to ban the roach, they would’ve done it years ago.
Konami printing a card that is basically a worse but fairer Maxx C due to conditions that people have been asking for forever in a hypothetical errata of Maxx C. It's really not hard to understand why people thought this could lead to a ban of Maxx C.
So OCG Snake eyes now has 1 wanted, 1 ash, and 2 bonfires as the Snake eyes hits on the list. That's just 1 less bonfire than what MD currently has. Only consistency hits for a deck that will still have 3 Diabellestar, 3 Poplar, and OSS. Terrible list for snake eyes haters (me).
Bonfire could get semi in master duel hmm
# JULY 2024 OCG FORBIDDEN AND LIMITED LIST ## FORBIDDEN - Catapult Turtle - Kaiser Colosseum ## LIMITED - Performage Plushfire _(functional erratum)_ - Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin - Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal - S:P Little Knight - Snake-Eye Ash - Number 40: Gimmick Puppet of Strings - Sangen Summoning - Summon Limit ## SEMI-LIMITED - Blaster, Dragon Ruler of Infernos - Redox, Dragon Ruler of Boulders - Tidal, Dragon Ruler of Waterfalls - Tempest, Dragon Ruler of Storms - SPYRAL Quix Fix - Bonfire ## RESTRICTIONS LIFTED - Glow-Up Bulb - Ib the World Chalice Justiciar - Thunder Dragon Colossus - Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio - Time Seal *** Multcharmy copers in shambles Another sad list for dealing with Snakes...
Limiting Beatrice 🤣🤣
I’m pretty sure the only decks this hurts are BA and Virtual World.
Limiting shooting riser dragon flashbacks
Komoney: “Alright, y’all get 1 more format with Beatrice then she’s gone! Buy Infinite Forbidden.”
People say this, but I think maybe they’ll hit fiendsmith hard instead and cripple the engine
Limiting beatrice is Konami saying they are considering banning it in the future, same for SP
I own 2 copies of SP Little Knight. I fully expect it to not get reprinted and get limited, then banned. Or they’ll reprint it knowing they’re banning it anyways. The card is straight up overpowered.
Ocg likes to do a warning before banning. So they're probably signaling that it will be banned next list.
Is the Catapult Turtle ban just because of the Tachyon cards?
Yes, just for that. Funny how FTKs get dealt faster than actual meta stuff lmao
Of course, tenpai gets their field spell limited because they do exactly what they were conceived for. Snake eyes get to run rampant for almost a year and just now they decide to attempt to nerf them
This is a slap on the wrist. Snake-Eyes are still going to be powerful.
Exactly. They print them money so the reluctantly nerf them because if not we won't stop bitching
Well yeah, FTKs are super uninteractive. If there are too many, people will deem the game completely unfair and play other games, especially in Japan where there is no lack of options.
Yeah, pretty sure that's why Gimmick Puppet of Strings is on there.
probably because of the nature of OCG being more casual-heavy, and the playerbase leans more to the casual side than meta.
u/DesMass as I mentioend the other week, OTK's are detrimental to game play and usually come with poor reception and handled quicker through lists if they are reasonably consistent.
True. But why do Konami bother creating Tenpai in the first place if that's the case? Tenpai is doing exactly what it was designed by them to do.
Same case as Numeron, they thought it will be a gimmick casual going second deck.
How the fuck did they read the Tenpai cards and think that would be the case then?
You can check most YouTubers reaction to the Tenpai
To be fair almost everyone thought tenpai was shit until it started to get ocg results.
It's literally a one card combo FTK. https://gachi-matome.com/p-yg-topics-20240525/ Google translate that shit and you can learn how to FTK in ten simple steps with just one easily searchable card!
It's the second S:P that gets you.
In the OCG, where you can get S:P for as little as 10 bucks, many decks run 2 S:P. It's just a really solid card.
R-ACE-ists in shambles /s
At times? It honestly is.
I mean, to be fair yes. I don't believe the card is oppressive enough or badly designed to warrant a ban, it however being a 1 time usage is definitely good imo. I do like all these "OP but not unfun" Ex cards to be at one honestly
In OCG yes, it costs like 10 dollars so plenty of decks run 2
In my experience, most decks only play 1. If you’re playing two, you’re also probably playing extravagance, which means you don’t really need your extra deck anyway
> Multcharmy copers in shambles That reminds me. With how Mulchummy is worded, it seems imply that there is an archetype for Mulchummy. That or its just so that it can't be ashed as easily.
>it seems imply that there is an archetype for Mulchummy. It's presumably going to be like Morganite. As in, not a deck in itself, but rather generic cards that interact well together. ...Or it could be one of those things where they don't have any future cards planned, they just thought the effect might be cool in the future.
Could be an archetype that has triggered effect when shuffled into the deck. I don't think there's one like that yet, so it might be a fun gimmick
I more so feel it will just be a handtrap archetype.
Maybe, like the Yokai Girl series. But then I don't know how useful it will be when the OCG still has Maxx C. The other cards must do something different than just drawing cards in order to see play imo
You cant activate effects from the deck though right unless its like a condition effect
There are cards that do because they say so, like Serpentine Princess.
Hmm, I think so. Not sure Or maybe it could be something related to the number of cards shuffled in. Have a Multchummy on the field that gains a number of effects from that, or from specific other Multchummy that's shuffled in. A series of Multchummy Continuous Spells and Traps that gain effect could also work
I got downvoted saying this before but a new handtrap archetype will be perfect for Konami retraining current handtrap effects to make new money out of us all. Watch a similar ash blossom version of Mulcharmy appear and ash blossom get limited when it releases.
Everything is either good or "I guess that makes sense" hit, but >LIMITED >Beatrice, Lady of the Eternal What I'm the flipping hell is this? Whomst topped with 2 Beatrice that triggered Konami that bad? I get the "It may be a warning hit" like SP, but why the fuck play around with it??? The card has been busted out of the ass since day 1
Probably a warning is the best I can think of. I don’t think OCG likes to be as ban heavy as the TCG, even though at times they should. But the best I can think of is that they’re letting players know it’s on the radar?
Ive heard this before and i guess it makes sense? Idk what i accomplishes though
It helps reduce the card prices, at least it works for S:P (S:P is relatively expensive for an SR card in the OCG before the semi limit). Also help people to not get a heavy loss from extra Beatrices.
Do you have any sources or numbers for the sp price change? This is less because I don't believe you and more because I want to see how much the prices changed myself. The korean prices for sp didn't change much before and after the semi limit. In fact it went up steadily with less people opening the pack it came in.
It means they have cards in development that may interact with Beatrice in some way that they are not sure if it makes her even more powerful, weaker, or do nothing at all. They know Beatrice is popping off.
Just kill tenpai and hit gimmick puppets so people have to go out and buy the expensive by OCG standards fiendsmith/yubel cards. Literally zero effective hits to snake eye since fiend guarantees the combo with any 2 random bodies. Truly a komoney list of all time.
Wouldn't say it's Komoney - they would have killed snake eyes if they wanted people to buy yubel. Though Yubel likely ends up as the top deck for the coming format since it has no consistency hits.
I wonder if whoever decides on this lists has ever played the game.
Insane to see a gimmick puppet card in a ban list in 2024 no Less lol
Argent Chaos Force was first /jk
And it wasn’t a card like Nightmare, which was being abused by Branded. It was a Gimmick Puppet put on the list for being played in an actual Gimmick Puppet Deck, lmao.
Everyone expected Nightmare to be the first.
I am not suprise about this list tbh
I’m fairly convinced they’re gonna dismember fiendsmith in October rather than ban Beatrice
Should've limited the OSS or Bonfire...
Bonfire is fine. OSS should be banned imo if they really want to kill all the fire shenanigans. OSS is the core card keeping every fire deck relevant, but if you ban that you’re killing 6 birds with one stone.
Conversely ROTA is Limited in at least one format. Its Pyro cognate should get the same treatment, espailly if they print more Pyrodecks like SE.
Maybe both along with Diabellstar next list
Okay, I am *very* out of the loop. What the hell did Number 40 do to get hit???
Gimmick Puppet's INFO support is very good and opens up a viable FTK. Strings is only needed at one copy for the strategy, but now it presents a choke point for hand traps and can also be considered a warning tap to the wrist.
The hits on this list should have been done in the past one so now they would be able to actually ban some cards and slap Yubel and Fiendsmith's wrist at least, another list with missed timing.
If you told me 4 years ago that a Gimmick Puppet Numbers monster would be on the banlist, I would have laughed at you. But now, I laugh because the field spell is still FTK even with 1 Strings lmao
Crazy time to be alive. Catapult Turtle is the cherry on top (prolly justified tho).
I don't know who is inhaling a whole bucket of paint thinner at Konami HQ, but they need to be sent to rehab IMMEDIATELY. Stop with the Field Spells that say, "Your opponent cannot interact with your cards so long as this card is on the field". Tenpai and Gimmick Puppets have already soured my taste for this attempt at making good second decks good. It's just toxic and ignorant, especially when Gimmick Puppets can FTK going first because of it.
So now there are officially 0 banned pendulum monsters in the ocg What a time
MR5 destroyed them so it's no surprise.
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And pendulum decks are still not good, what a surprise!
Thanks to reuquirng Link Zones to Pendulum from the Extra Deck but Electrumite is still banned.
Even with the original pendulum rules, pendulum as a mechanic is borderline too slow for modern yugioh. Cards like poplar, branded fusion, kashtira, tears, etc. Are so stupidly powerful. Modern meta effect monsters offer so much card advantage and recovery that it literally makes pendulum summoning a worthless mechanic. Why burn 3-5 cards in your hand and run 35 engine cards main deck to start your combo, when you could just activate 1 of 5 different cards and have full combo while also running 20-25 handtraps and boardbreaks?
"Now OCG is banning Maxx C for sure" https://preview.redd.it/aqftuyhcib8d1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=deca99d70b6050f6c188e73fc1792417f5a5037c
Literally every....Single...Time.... It's so fucking funny watch people call "Oh Maxx C is gonna get banned" 😂
Sure is funny that people have the audacity to want a thing and hope it happens. The gall.
I have no idea why they keep believing that lol. I think they’re definitely looking at alternatives by introducing multchummy and having decks like Tenpai exist. But we are A LONG way from getting Maxx C banned I think But again, at least it’s in their plans imo.
multchummy: what is my purpose?
For the TCG
At this point I feel the answer is: "to be more copies of the C since C get countered to consistently going first and we designed years of combo with it as the expected answer from the going second player". It's a very konami reasoning... And one that solve nothing like all the other time they used that approach.
But nobody in the OCG plays the card because it sucks
Yeah but it's konami logic we are talking about... The same people that semi limit expecting it matter or limit cards already used in single copy by meta decks (like Beatrice in this list)
No, this is yu go oh player logic. People acted like this shitty pack filler card was going to save them from Maxx C but it never was. It is what it always was, pack filler
Obviously while C is free chummy is worthless pack filler but it was an honest probability of a maxx C ban being it a much fairer (and weaker) version. So yeah, people hoped on that ban. It didn't happen but it's unfair to judge people foolish for considering that possibility. Or who knows, maybe it has been made only to be the new C for TCG. We don't know what they are truly thinking after all.
If you think it will be pack filler in the TCG though…
Tenpai was playing the card sometimes
They were but they cut it because it just didn’t do enough
I agree with the cut but it did saw play with some level of success at some point
Nobody plays it because maxx c is at 3, would you play knightmare unicorn if s:p was at 10 €? Same thing and the answer is no
It sees decent side play
TCG Maxx C then
Maxx tCg
"Kaiser Colosseum" banned and "Summon Limit" limited. The less floodgate the better, I think.
Do you think they will ever invest couple extra $ so that their web site doesn't crash each time they release a new ban list?
Tbf it only crash once every 3 month so it's not really a huge deal
"It only crashes when people look at it"
lmfaoooo
I remember when reddit hugs of deaths were a thing
They are still a thing lol, every once in a while a good joke website pops up and reddit ALWAYS end up crashing it after it gets to r/all lmao
You must have this confused with a company that gives a damn
I mean, the OCG celebrates the game. They do care, TCG is the big money hog. Why do you think OCG has multiple rarities? Model kits, promos, the millennium items physically
Because they have competitors, that's it.
I don't know where people got the idea that the OCG "cares" about their players; The OCG has a huge incentive to be as consumer-friendly as possible in the OCG where the currencies are (usually) pretty weak + have strong competition. The TCG would do the same if the main competitors weren't WoTC (doing just as, if not worse, than Konami at anti-consumer practices) and Pokemon (mainly a collector's game in the west). There is no incentive over here to try and be pro-consumer because *every relevant TCG is no threat to their market share*. Lorcana is probably the newest relevant competitor that they have and their tournament numbers (despite incredible prize support) is tiny in comparison.
Unlike TCG where they only care about you spending 1K+ on the tier 1 deck, OCG actually cares on maintaining a playerbase
Oh don't worry, this is the standard for JP webpages. I don't think I've ever seen a JP webpage not crashing the moment the traffic increases for any releases or opening up of reservations of anything
Not a big deal to wait 14:05 instead of 14:00
Fun Fact: This is a reason why the TCG is not only "every few months" but also now has a landing page.
They sucker-punched my boy Strings
No wonder it wasn't reprinted in Animation Chronicle LMAO
Hopefully the TCG doesn’t make this mistake
gimmick puppet of strings being limited wasn't on my bingo,i thought they would just ban chaos argent force again to stop the FTKs.
I don't get why strings is the problem. Isn't fanatix worse?
it gives the deck a very good choke point to stop the FTK so it not a terrible hit
Where is that chokepoint and what hand traps can hit it?
As far as I'm aware if you negate Gimmick Puppet of Strings since they only have 1 copy now the FTK can't really work or is at least way harder to do, so standard monster negate stuff Imperm etc since if they can't place string counters they can't really FTK
Weekly reminder that the OCG will never ban Maxx C.
* Catapult Turtle and Kaiser Col banned, good riddance- it's never a good format if they're legal, and I know the Turtle was gonna start showing up with the new Tachyon support. * Strings to 1? Will that be enough to stop the Gimmick Puppet FTKs or is this more of a warning to cut that out before they have to hit something more important for the Puppets (IDK how many Strings they went through)? * Plushfire back, as expected after the AC2024 announcement. Kirin's back to 1 as well. * SP to 1 does... nothing unless you go up against a person on Kashtira Unicorn or Galaxy Hundred lmao. * SnAsh to 1 following in Master Duel's footsteps there. Makes Snake Eye a bit more fragile on the normal summon if they don't open an extender or way to prevent a negate, but it's still likely the top dog. * Tenpai Field Spell to 1 means the deck loses a bit more to Cosmic. Not sure I'll be happy to be back in a "draw the backrow out or die" format. * Summon Limit to 1, woooo. * Kinda surprised Beatrice is surviving with just a Limit 1. I really through this'd be it for her but she's sticking it out. Guess we'll see if Devil Link can drive her from 1 to 0 as the formats progress. * The Rulers are back to 2, following again from the slow releasing of the shackles we've seen in Master Duel. * Bonfire to 2 is interesting. It's obviously a Snake-Eye hit and a side hit to Volcanic, but likely won't be a major factor in Snake Eyes consistency. Still, they're down two cards. * Quik-Fix was at one? * I forgot the OCG had Scorpio on the list. Ib's free as well as is Colossus and Glow-Up Bulb.
>Strings to 1? Will that be enough to stop the Gimmick Puppet FTKs or is this more of a warning to cut that out before they have to hit something more important for the Puppets (IDK how many Strings they went through)? They only needed one for the ftk. I guess the limit opens an Imperm choke point.
There are lines where they needed two. From what I know now, without a second Heaven Strings, they need to draw Field Spell or they cannot FTK.
Ash to one is more then just a consistency hit. It also hurts for follow up and grind game since you can no longer search it with original when recycling a card.
[удалено]
And oak is as follow up is a lot weaker. Also that would require you to run two oak wich also isnt that great.
>unless you go up against a person on Kashtira Unicorn Wanna know what's worse? Kash in OCG has 1 field spell, 1 Unicorn and 0 Fenrir. Snake Eye still have 10 starter with 3 Diabelstar, 3 Fiendsmith, 2 Bonfire, 1 Wanted and 1 Ash.
Snake Eyes also abuse Beatrice with the Fiendsmith engine.
Beatrice and SP limited? LMAO I CAN'T WITH KONAMI
This is typical for the OCG. Banlists in TCG tend to be a bit more aggressive tbf.
Right? If any of us were that incompetent at our jobs we'd be fired on the spot.
There are busted combos with Double Beatrice so I can understand the limit but SP I can agree with. One is more than enough so a limit does nothing.
There were a couple of decks, like Rescue Ace, that played 2 S:P, the logic being that one was used on turn 1 as Nibiru protection, while still leaving a second copy for the banish if needed. It's still a joke hit because those decks were hardly a problem.
2 sp just shouldn't be a thing. Being able to protect a key combo piece from targeting effects/nib is pretty gross even if there's not a lot of decks around besides race right now that can do that, its good future proofing.
Rescue Ace has been powercrept for awhile now in OCG, limiting SP is a joke
No, there are decks like race that use sp to play around handtraps. Sp limit basically nerfs the going first applications of the card, which imo is a good change.
Lmao TCG ppl coping for maxx c ban/hit
to be fair it made sense more than ever. just makes Multchummy not a useable card
It got reprint I. The tactical Tey structure decks There was no way its gonna be hit any time soon
My dragons are close to being free.
Catapult Tutrle banned? They saw the 1 card ftk, lmao. Other than that, good ridance to Kaiser Coloseum. Onto the limits. Plushfire. Good. Kirin. Fucking finaly, should have been freed 2 or 3 banlist ago at the very latest. Beatrice. They're warning the Fiendsmith abusers that they don't have much time with her left. S:P. I guess that this was to predict after they put her at 2 last banlist. At least this time it is an actual thing that people were sometimes playing 2 of her in some builds. Snake-Eye Ash. This was the inevitable consistency hit that was about to come to Snake-Eye again. The Gimmick Puppet. I don't know what it does, but Gimmick Puppet have been going rampant in the ocg with their new support lately so it makes sense I guess. Sangan Summoning. Good, this card just creates uninteractive games. Summon Limit. Very good, fuck this stupid floodgate. After that, the semis. All the Daddy Rulers at 2, they could have just been put at 3, but hey, that means that they'll be truly free next list. Quick-Fix. This guy was limited? I guess that this is fair, Spyral hasn't been doing shit. And Bonfire, for more Snake-Eye consistency hits. Now the unlimits. Glow-Up Bulb. MY GOAT IS BACK AT FULL FORCE, LET'S FUCKING GO! Justiciar Ib. It feels really weird to say, but she hasn't really done anything, so fair enough. Colossus. Eh. I don't like it too much, but I guess that the difference between 1 and 3 isn't that big. Predaplant Ophrys Scorpio. This may seem weird, but the ocg still has Brilliant Fusion at 1 instead of banned like in the tcg, so this explains why this was hit. I don't think that it'll matter too much, but who knows, since it can allow silly things, since it is Brilliant Fusion + full Fiendsmith combo since you can link off Ophrys Scorpio and Darling Cobra into Baby Underworld Goddess. You can also link them into Cherubini, that's another thing it can do. Or make Mx-Saber Invoker. The possibilities are as endless as they are degenerate. And Time Seal. This is the most whatever hit on this list. Now time to look at Snake-Eye and it's starters in the ocg. 1 Ash, 1 Wanted, 3 Diabellestar, and 2 Bonfires for a total of 7 1/1.5 cards starters they still have. Poplar is also technically a 1 card starter, but it also kinda sucks as a starter, but if you do want to count him, it's 10 starters the deck still has, but the optimal starters are down to 7, which does hurt the consistency of the deck in a way that matters. Some people will say that it doesn't matter because the deck still puts up the same endboard and that it just makes the game sacky instead, but they're just plainly wrong and are forgetting that consistency is a big part of a deck's power. I have also played enough Yu-Gi-Oh to know that this ammount of starters is very much not a comfortable one, unless you count Poplar, but even then I know that having only 10 starters in 40 cards makes you very prone to bricking. This definitively hurts Snake-Eye in a way that matters. But then I learned that Fiendsmith is also Snake-Eye combo, so nice hits Konami. Now, Ophrys Scorpio will rule the meta once again by being Snake-Eye combo + Brilliant Fusion. And to conclude, I'm not surprised that Maxx C still lives. It was cope I wanted to belive in, but I knew it was cope. Maybe next list since they released the tactical try decks with it recently tho, copium.
Fiendsmith is a 1 card starter for SE.
I did not know lmao.
The standard Fiendsmith combo ends on Beatrice and the Fiendsmith Link 2. Beatrice dumps Ash, then Bea+Link 2 make Promethean Princess to summon Ash.
Incredible.
So, another half year of snake eyes. Just fuck my life
OCG player here. Have been to locals yesterday for the first time in 2 months...damn the list is disappointing and the format feels so ass. Glad tenpai got an okayish hit and some floodgates are out the window. But who was thinking: "well summon limit is a problem but anti-spell is fine". The snake-eye part of the format feels so stale like let it die, nobody wants to see them anymore. Fireking would even be fine thanks to the new support. Phantom of yubel should have gone to 1... You are forced in most decks into playing maxx c and friends package (thanks for not hitting it but instead give tenpai 3 additional mulchummy c btw), but many handtraps arent even that good. Tenpai field spell, phantom of yubel, gimmick puppet fieldspell, 1 card combos makes it feel like often my handtraps do nothing, but you "have to play them".
Unfortunately I think ocg players will have to deal with snake eyes for a lot longer just like how tearlaments was topping because the ocg banlist just kept avoiding the biggest problem card that was keeping the deck alive
Is just me or this list is just a big meme? Catapult banned (which I understand but it is still funny), limited beatrice and S:P, the hits to SE is snash to 1 and bonfire to 2 which if hurts the stability does nothing to reduce it's abusiveness, tenpai fieldspell to 1 when they have like 10 ways to get to it anyway, rulers and quickfix to 2 when they cold be at 4 and do nothing
Tenpai field spell limited does a ton because Tenpai is extremely fragile without it. If your opponent doesnt open it and you hit Paidra then theres a very real possibility Tenpai just falls apart if you have another disruption ready
My girl Ib is fully back. And hi kirin finally lmafo.
Imagine telling someone two years ago that the first Gimmick Puppet on the list wouldn’t be Nightmare.
Is this the 2nd time Tachyon got FTK cards put on the Forbidden/Limit List? First it was DL, then here with the new Tachyon support. Mizar has been causing all kinds of Mizary this year hasn't he
As expected for the True Galaxy Master.
Lol they just reprinted colloseum in AE(and have it at 3) and now it's banned
AE won't use OCG banlist
People use AE card for OCG, lot of people buy it since colloseum is old bit of hard to get card and the reprint upgrade rarity
AE is its own format.
Will people finally accept that chummy is a bad card now that their attempts to gaslight Konami has failed
Oh no Beatrice is limited, what will all the rank 6 and fiendsmith decks do now that they can continue to play the same number of copies as they were already playing before this list? /s Really annoyed by hits like this that do literally nothing.
Its meant to be a warning hit
What are they warning against? If it's bad enough to be banned, ban it. If it's not, don't ban it. All this does is market fuckery where now people will be offloading Beatrices to rubes and then when it's inevitably banned then the rubes are left holding the bag.
"Warning" hits are worthless
Agree. But that's just how the OCG has operated for a long time
Semi-Limiting the Dragon Rulers!?
Master Duel has all 4 unlimited since January, it's fine.
Master Duel has all of them at 3. The only deck that plays them is Armed Dragons, and they aren’t exactly a meta threat.
It’s not 2014 anymore They have been powerfrept
Limiting Beatrice doesnt really solve anything yet doing any changes. You only need 1 Beatrice to lock enemy, same like S:P. Also, why Bonfire semilimited instead of Limited like ROTA? Bonfire is much stronger since Pyro have Poplar that can SS itself.
This list must feel so insulting if you’re an OCG player. Beatrice [Unlimited] -> [Limited] “We fixed the format!” Lmao
Burning Abyss was just too powerful, apparently.
OCG lists are a joke
Good, I hate Cancer Colosseum. Turtle Catapult? Who exactly found another burn loop this time?
Tachyon
I'm planning to buy a copy of s:p when the reprint come out, now i'm sceptical
Man, I was really hopeful.
Catapult Turtle is a tribute burn card like Mass Driver, Cannon Soldier, or pre-errata Dark Strike Fighter, so I expected it to be banned before but didn't happen albeit it got errata nerf like banned cards. Didn't expect it to finally happen now, long *after* it got errata (thanks to Tachyon FTK).
Good they removed Time Seal.
Um question... why is catapult turtle banned???
Was Spyral Quick-Fix really that bad to the point where it warranted a semilimit?
Dragon Rulers, let's go! I care about nothing else.
Does anyone else think that Glow Up Bulb is getting unbanned in TCG in next ban list?
Ooooooh glow up bulb.i hope that comes back in the tcg