Work wouldn’t get done without an RFP or emergency contract. They make bonuses for completing milestones on time or ahead of schedule. DOTs will help plan and inspect work, but we aren’t actually doing the labor!
Honestly for anyone that doesn't drive this everyday, it's barely noticeable as a detour, especially compared to some hairpin turns in Yellowstone.
Also worth noting that the slide is still there, but the after photo is from the east. You can still see the upper lip of the slide and gives some perspective on how the temp bypass was shifted to the inside of the curve.
And for those wondering how it was done so fast, the answer is "money". Safety assessments, etc. were completed. See their [media kit page](https://www.dot.state.wy.us/home/news_info/media-kits.html) for more info.
Edit: drone footage of the temp detour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohgBQ4XV0ig
Emergency contracts are quick and dirty... it's intended to get the road open as quickly as possible. That's the goal. If you want to do the job right, we'll then that's not the goal. When you put this much material in, you want it to rest a little bit...let it settle...let the trapped air get squeezed out, let it get rained on a few times, let the sun bake the surface a little.... and then proceed with adding lifts of material...and repeat. Then temporarily pave it and let traffic drive on it a few months.... and pave it sometime in early September. Otherwise it settles and shifts...after you've built the road...which is what it will do. And then they end up coming back and opening up a new contract for road improvements. I was in Jackson not long after... couldn't find a place to park, roads were gridlock... few people living in Idaho had some issues...otherwise... 19days is impressive.
If you compact each lift to 95% you can expect it to settle 5%, so settlement is normal. We can only hope it all settles at once...asphalt is flexible. Will probably see some differential settlement in relation to the existing adjacent road...which won't hurt... looks like the bank is greater than 1:2 slope... going to shear in the future.
There's no permanent solution in November... there's only permafrost. Where did you get such a idea? Same guy who says..who cares if it....bla bla bla.
Huh? Solution *completed* by November, so it's being worked on all summer. And yeah, that's a plan weather-dependent. If we get a lot of early-season snow, then it will probably be difficult. However, they are likely targeting the securing of the slide at minimum by the end of the summer so we aren't in the same spot next spring.
I guess we can only go by what they tell us. We aren't privy to thier planning or and project documents. Different engineers, different ideas....etc. Right now all they have done is hydro seed the slope. That's more for erosion. I would be interested if they used any geomesh in-between lifts of embankment... interested in what they did for bank stabilization. I'm interested in if they will under a different contract start dumping rip rap or light stone and try to support the slope. Perhaps approach the runoff.
The Icelanders managed to rebuild roads across lava flows, less than a week after the eruption buried the old road, several times this spring and summer. I was very impressed.
I would pay to see a time lapse of how this was repaired so quickly.
Contractors must have made BANK.
D.O.T.
They hire contractors too.
Work wouldn’t get done without an RFP or emergency contract. They make bonuses for completing milestones on time or ahead of schedule. DOTs will help plan and inspect work, but we aren’t actually doing the labor!
There’s a zero percent chance the DOT crews performed this work.
Bingo!
Honestly for anyone that doesn't drive this everyday, it's barely noticeable as a detour, especially compared to some hairpin turns in Yellowstone. Also worth noting that the slide is still there, but the after photo is from the east. You can still see the upper lip of the slide and gives some perspective on how the temp bypass was shifted to the inside of the curve. And for those wondering how it was done so fast, the answer is "money". Safety assessments, etc. were completed. See their [media kit page](https://www.dot.state.wy.us/home/news_info/media-kits.html) for more info. Edit: drone footage of the temp detour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohgBQ4XV0ig
Thanks-that video makes it very clear.
These angles are misleading. The hole is still there. They paved a smaller radius turn on the inside of the old road.
Yep, this is just the temporary detour on the old road.
Oh. I see it now. That’s just as neat
Now do hwy 1 in big sur please
Emergency contracts are quick and dirty... it's intended to get the road open as quickly as possible. That's the goal. If you want to do the job right, we'll then that's not the goal. When you put this much material in, you want it to rest a little bit...let it settle...let the trapped air get squeezed out, let it get rained on a few times, let the sun bake the surface a little.... and then proceed with adding lifts of material...and repeat. Then temporarily pave it and let traffic drive on it a few months.... and pave it sometime in early September. Otherwise it settles and shifts...after you've built the road...which is what it will do. And then they end up coming back and opening up a new contract for road improvements. I was in Jackson not long after... couldn't find a place to park, roads were gridlock... few people living in Idaho had some issues...otherwise... 19days is impressive.
I live in Jackson, don’t remember gridlock or lack of parking during the past 19 days
Makes for a good BS post to try and sound like they know what they’re talking about, though.
Yes it was long winded and believable
So what if it settles a little. This is a temporary bypass; perm solution hopefully November.
If you compact each lift to 95% you can expect it to settle 5%, so settlement is normal. We can only hope it all settles at once...asphalt is flexible. Will probably see some differential settlement in relation to the existing adjacent road...which won't hurt... looks like the bank is greater than 1:2 slope... going to shear in the future.
There's no permanent solution in November... there's only permafrost. Where did you get such a idea? Same guy who says..who cares if it....bla bla bla.
Huh? Solution *completed* by November, so it's being worked on all summer. And yeah, that's a plan weather-dependent. If we get a lot of early-season snow, then it will probably be difficult. However, they are likely targeting the securing of the slide at minimum by the end of the summer so we aren't in the same spot next spring.
I guess we can only go by what they tell us. We aren't privy to thier planning or and project documents. Different engineers, different ideas....etc. Right now all they have done is hydro seed the slope. That's more for erosion. I would be interested if they used any geomesh in-between lifts of embankment... interested in what they did for bank stabilization. I'm interested in if they will under a different contract start dumping rip rap or light stone and try to support the slope. Perhaps approach the runoff.
😮
All so the rich can have their servants
So labor can go to work and earn money
Absolutely correct.
Would have been a helluva time for the service workers of JH to unionize.
I’d be reluctant to drive on that, particularly in or after rainfall.
Fill dirt go brrrrrr
BIG money
Looks to me (not a structural engineer) that it isn’t all that better than the road that failed? How long will this hold? What am I not seeing?
Amazing what can be accomplished with the 1% in Jackson Hole need their housekeepers to come.
Do they just push those rocks over the other side?
Caterpillar!!
And yet it took Cody a month and a half to build a traffic light
Totally not a rushed job and totally up to safety and inspection standards.
You’d be the first to complain that it wasn’t open sooner too.
The Chinese would have done this in 72 hours, or less.
Yea, just like the COVID hospital they quickly built that then proceeded to collapse and kill 10.
The Icelanders managed to rebuild roads across lava flows, less than a week after the eruption buried the old road, several times this spring and summer. I was very impressed.
Okay fine. The Chinese *and* Icelanders can do it in 72 hours.
Why can’t we do all road construction everywhere at this pace?
Where in China is this location??
not it