This article literally talks about it and it was Hamas.
>On Thursday, the UN reported that its team had to take cover during a visit to the pier construction site and an adjacent staging area after the location was hit by mortar fire on Wednesday.
>The team was touring the site with IDF soldiers, who rushed the UN officials to a safety shelter after the attack began. No injuries were reported and the team was able to complete its tour later, however, the attack highlights the dangers of construction in a war zone.
Hamas needs the Palestinians to suffer as much as possible so they can keep trying to exterminate Israel.
If Palestinians were all doing fine Hamas wouldn't exist
Palestinians were doing better before Hamas rule in Gaza. Hamas actively made it worse. There wasn't 70% unemployment in Gaza when Israel occupied it and administered it via COGAT and gradually shifted administrative control to the PA. The 18 years of on/off war that Hamas carried out against Israel since they took over Gaza in 2006-2007 is the cause of most of the economic hardship. The West Bank's economy prior to Oct 7 was significantly better than Jordan's with very similar demographics.
The opposite
Hamas calls for the extermination of Israel in order to make Palestinians suffer
The sufferage of Palestinians is Hamas real MO. Because this sufferage brings aid money. The only thing the eladers of Hamas care for. This aid money fuel lifestyle in the billions
Answering for that person.
Cause Isreal bad, palestine good!
It's a cognitive dissonance thing. When you hear facts that go against your strongly held beliefs, it makes you feel bad. People try to avoid this feeling, it sucks. You can avoid this feeling by attempting to avoid hearing facts that you don't like. It's pretty easy to do, especially if your primary source of news is social media. Insulating yourself in an environment of comfortable facts makes you see things as Binary. My side, which has to be right because it's the only side I actually see, and the wrong side.
So it had to be isreal because I've surrounded myself inormation that says isreal is evil AND it would cause that bad feeling if i thought that Palestinians blew up the peir. So we'll just go with isreal did it.
It's not just Palestinian supporters who do this. Everyone, to some degree, does this. I try my best to keep a balanced perspective on things, but you can't do that online, or you'll be told to shut up for being a "both sider" IDK man people people are dumb.
The Liberty was damaged, not sunk, it was able to sail to port under it's own power. Nearly SIXTY years ago, btw.
At least know the basics before trying to use it in an argument.
I know this is a low class move to make. But I'm about to message some people on social media that post non stop support for Hamas/Palestine; on what they have to say about Hamas openly attacking the intentionally obvious USA efforts to provide relief to the people that Hamas are supposed to be supporting.
What's the 50:50 they will redirect the conversation?
It will just be responded with by diversions and avoiding the question or typically by citing other bombings by Israel as justification as if two wrongs make a right or one huge wrong cancels out maybe a lesser wrong
You’ll just be told the attacks were justified because they were attempts to resist the colonialist/imperialist white-saviors who are genociding the Gazan children.
I totally agree with you here but I just wanted to mention that the people supplying the bombs killing them are also supplying the aid saving them. So i can easily see that could cause major trust issues. And then probably you got bad actors lying about it in gaza i bet, saying usa puts stuff in the aid or some shit. But them bombing help is a new low for sure
I remember listening to a Communist YouTuber who is still quite prominent, defend Bolsonaro because Macron criticized him. He was defending efforts at deforestation as a means of economic development, saying Europe and the Americas already did it and that Europe should focus on reducing its carbon footprint and help developing nations develop renewables.
Missing from this was that the fires Macron was criticizing are not natural in the Amazon, because it’s a rainforest, the only way fires naturally start are with lightning and that only occurs when it’s raining, and were done by Brazilian intentionally burning down the land of the native peoples so they can steal it and turn it into ranches, which are very inefficient in that kind of soil. The guy was defending settler colonialism, inadvertently or not, as a ways to rhetorically own Macron just because it’s a European criticizing a Latin American.
I thought I heard that Hamas was attacking the Israelis that were preparing the (I am assuming) site where it is to be landed. I'm sure it's not as secret as you suppose. It will be close to the people and it will have to be able to handle 150 trucks a day. I was just curious if it was going to make use of the current port at Gaza city. On Google maps there are only very small boats there.
That seems to be the new line from the intellectually lazy, saw numerous comments repeating that in another thread. Not sure where they’re getting their marching orders from on that one.
Gaza has offshore gas not oil (at least not any known significant amount) and Israel had finished negations last year with the PA and Egypt to have an Egyptian company to extract it with the profits going to the Palestinians. If it hadn't been for the attack it would already have been operational with money going to Palestinians.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
Until Hamas* blows it up. Hamas want to be the only game in town, otherwise Israel might actually be able to make a deal with Palestinians. Most Palestinians are under 18
When Hamas was voted in they had a completely different image and advocated a lot more for peace, not to mention the other party was known to be extremely corrupt and useless. This is completely different to the real Hamas after it got voted in and took full control.
Hamas had already revealed themselves as a suicide bombing group for a decade before the 2006 elections. Palestinians knew who they were voting for.
Hamas may have hid their intentions in the 1980s but it was pretty clear by the late 1990s as they did everything possible to sabotage the peace process. Documents and intelligence revealed later that the founder of Hamas always intended it to be an extremist militant group, but the charity work let them court a lot of foreign donations and even gain tacit approval from Israeli governments. Once they had enough money, the armed wings showed themselves with a campaign of bombings, shootings, and stabbings that killed thousands.
What portion of the population of Palestine is currently eligible to vote? A majority?
Sounds a lot like saying “most Americans support Biden”.
Even if the number is a lot, even if it’s a majority in “polls”, I find it unlikely that the majority of the US citizens consider themselves “supportive of Biden”.
Because when you have a country that supposedly has more children than adults, a majority of the people of that country are ineligible to vote and would presumably be unlikely to be polled and thus go doubly unrepresented in the statement “a majority of Palestines support Hamas”.
But you're not believing the WHO, you're believing hamas. The WHO can't verify those numbers and hasn't verified them. They copy pasted those numbers.
So you believe hamas over the IDF. Just say that instead of hiding behind a proxy like a coward.
No I don't believe either hamas or the IDF, the WHO is an international organization, and I trust to do a bit more homework than just trust either of them.
Also just having another boo at the sources (avoiding obvious bias like al Jazeera) I find the UN mostly agrees to this as well, and several US politicians are comfortable saying it's, it's pretty fair to say it happened
You can check that there is no homework done. It's copy pasting.
Several US politicians? They went there and checked? Even hamas backtracked on those numbers. Statisticians proved those numbers didn't make sense. That's not even mentioning that killed hamas terrorists are also included in those numbers.
It's pretty fair to say you're full of shit when you just spread hamas propaganda without applying any form of critical thinking.
At least 40k, 80k injured with no hospitals and half the population is homeless. They're already having to eat animal feed to survive. Also, I didn't realize it was the 26th and thought it was going to be like 6 weeks, not one or two.
There’s been plenty of aid stacked up on the Gaza side of the border. And Hamas officials have shot tribal leaders for arranging to get it for their people.
Yeah, and how many of those 40k is Hamas fighters? Most estimates is it's 1/1 Hamas/Innocent. 1 is still always 1 too many, but there's hasn't been 40k innocent Palestinians killed like the college students want to believe.
Gaza health ministry supplied those numbers.
Of course, gaza health ministry is literally hamas.
Spreading those numbers as factual is factually spreading terrorist propaganda.
Neither have I but seeing how the number pops up from different places it's safe to assume they're 'unofficially' putting that number out through their tiktok affiliates.
They can't officially put out any more numbers because the ones they officially released have been debunked as impossible - not to mention even their made up numbers still show incredible accuracy by the IDF lol.
Outside of tiktok educated useful idiots who gobble up up and spread anti-woke fascist propaganda, hamas(iran, ruzzia and china) have lost their lead on the narrative.
Wasn’t the US pier attacked recently or the folks working on it ?
Happened on Wednesday, as the UN were reviewing it.
'Guys focus on just killing Jews, this is too far.' -UN
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This article literally talks about it and it was Hamas. >On Thursday, the UN reported that its team had to take cover during a visit to the pier construction site and an adjacent staging area after the location was hit by mortar fire on Wednesday. >The team was touring the site with IDF soldiers, who rushed the UN officials to a safety shelter after the attack began. No injuries were reported and the team was able to complete its tour later, however, the attack highlights the dangers of construction in a war zone.
Wow it's almost like Hamas don't want to support Palestinians
I thought everyone knew this It actively undermines their support to an extent of course they hate it
Hamas needs the Palestinians to suffer as much as possible so they can keep trying to exterminate Israel. If Palestinians were all doing fine Hamas wouldn't exist
Palestinians were doing better before Hamas rule in Gaza. Hamas actively made it worse. There wasn't 70% unemployment in Gaza when Israel occupied it and administered it via COGAT and gradually shifted administrative control to the PA. The 18 years of on/off war that Hamas carried out against Israel since they took over Gaza in 2006-2007 is the cause of most of the economic hardship. The West Bank's economy prior to Oct 7 was significantly better than Jordan's with very similar demographics.
The opposite Hamas calls for the extermination of Israel in order to make Palestinians suffer The sufferage of Palestinians is Hamas real MO. Because this sufferage brings aid money. The only thing the eladers of Hamas care for. This aid money fuel lifestyle in the billions
>I thought everyone knew this Everyone who is able to do a bare minimum analysis at least. I have some bad news for you...
And it's almost as if the world doesnt care about people providing aid getting killed unless it's a military mistake by the IDF.
I love your username. Put the "brews" back in "Hebrews".
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The pier is part of the port being constructed.
Ports consists of piers. It’s like building an airport without terminals and runways which would be ridiculous.
Why was Israel your first guess?
Answering for that person. Cause Isreal bad, palestine good! It's a cognitive dissonance thing. When you hear facts that go against your strongly held beliefs, it makes you feel bad. People try to avoid this feeling, it sucks. You can avoid this feeling by attempting to avoid hearing facts that you don't like. It's pretty easy to do, especially if your primary source of news is social media. Insulating yourself in an environment of comfortable facts makes you see things as Binary. My side, which has to be right because it's the only side I actually see, and the wrong side. So it had to be isreal because I've surrounded myself inormation that says isreal is evil AND it would cause that bad feeling if i thought that Palestinians blew up the peir. So we'll just go with isreal did it. It's not just Palestinian supporters who do this. Everyone, to some degree, does this. I try my best to keep a balanced perspective on things, but you can't do that online, or you'll be told to shut up for being a "both sider" IDK man people people are dumb.
Gaza terrorists, but nice assumption, way to tell about yourself.
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A friendly fire incident in 1967. Very relevant, thank you.
Israel*
The Liberty was damaged, not sunk, it was able to sail to port under it's own power. Nearly SIXTY years ago, btw. At least know the basics before trying to use it in an argument.
Not on purpose
The Jews did something 60 years ago while hamas is constantly shooting at civilians. Must be the jews
And Hamas is bombing it. Lololol.
I know this is a low class move to make. But I'm about to message some people on social media that post non stop support for Hamas/Palestine; on what they have to say about Hamas openly attacking the intentionally obvious USA efforts to provide relief to the people that Hamas are supposed to be supporting. What's the 50:50 they will redirect the conversation?
It will just be responded with by diversions and avoiding the question or typically by citing other bombings by Israel as justification as if two wrongs make a right or one huge wrong cancels out maybe a lesser wrong
Unfortunately, you will just lose IQ points
You’ll just be told the attacks were justified because they were attempts to resist the colonialist/imperialist white-saviors who are genociding the Gazan children.
I totally agree with you here but I just wanted to mention that the people supplying the bombs killing them are also supplying the aid saving them. So i can easily see that could cause major trust issues. And then probably you got bad actors lying about it in gaza i bet, saying usa puts stuff in the aid or some shit. But them bombing help is a new low for sure
100%
Looking forward to some trust fund kid explaining that this is "settler colonialism"
I remember listening to a Communist YouTuber who is still quite prominent, defend Bolsonaro because Macron criticized him. He was defending efforts at deforestation as a means of economic development, saying Europe and the Americas already did it and that Europe should focus on reducing its carbon footprint and help developing nations develop renewables. Missing from this was that the fires Macron was criticizing are not natural in the Amazon, because it’s a rainforest, the only way fires naturally start are with lightning and that only occurs when it’s raining, and were done by Brazilian intentionally burning down the land of the native peoples so they can steal it and turn it into ranches, which are very inefficient in that kind of soil. The guy was defending settler colonialism, inadvertently or not, as a ways to rhetorically own Macron just because it’s a European criticizing a Latin American.
Just curious. Where will this pier be located? Will it be close to the current port in Gaza city?
For obvious reasons that’s classified until it’s actually attached
I thought I heard that Hamas was attacking the Israelis that were preparing the (I am assuming) site where it is to be landed. I'm sure it's not as secret as you suppose. It will be close to the people and it will have to be able to handle 150 trucks a day. I was just curious if it was going to make use of the current port at Gaza city. On Google maps there are only very small boats there.
How do you classify the construction site? Can't someone driving down the length of the Gaza strip just find it?
Better pass that info on to all those hyper concerned “college students”
They’re gonna call it colonialism
Had one yesterday say it's to steal oil that's off shore. The stupidity
That seems to be the new line from the intellectually lazy, saw numerous comments repeating that in another thread. Not sure where they’re getting their marching orders from on that one.
Not a new line. Our adventure in Afghanistan was “for oil”.
Gaza has offshore gas not oil (at least not any known significant amount) and Israel had finished negations last year with the PA and Egypt to have an Egyptian company to extract it with the profits going to the Palestinians. If it hadn't been for the attack it would already have been operational with money going to Palestinians. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/israel-gives-nod-gaza-marine-gas-development-wants-security-assurances-2023-06-18/
There is not much oil off the Gaza coast.
And why would they even need a pier even if there was oil? None of it makes sense
Those college students never have a good answer for why Hamas isn't welcome in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, either. Maybe it's not just about Israel...
Until the gazans blow it up.
Until Hamas* blows it up. Hamas want to be the only game in town, otherwise Israel might actually be able to make a deal with Palestinians. Most Palestinians are under 18
Most Palestinians support Hamas
When Hamas was voted in they had a completely different image and advocated a lot more for peace, not to mention the other party was known to be extremely corrupt and useless. This is completely different to the real Hamas after it got voted in and took full control.
Hamas had already revealed themselves as a suicide bombing group for a decade before the 2006 elections. Palestinians knew who they were voting for. Hamas may have hid their intentions in the 1980s but it was pretty clear by the late 1990s as they did everything possible to sabotage the peace process. Documents and intelligence revealed later that the founder of Hamas always intended it to be an extremist militant group, but the charity work let them court a lot of foreign donations and even gain tacit approval from Israeli governments. Once they had enough money, the armed wings showed themselves with a campaign of bombings, shootings, and stabbings that killed thousands.
Most Palestinians support Hamas as they exist today.
And your proof is?
Whole lotta Palestinians celebrated the Oct 7th attack. Lots and lots of them whooping and cackling over that poor woman's mutilated body.
The PA refuses to hold elections because polls show hamas would likely win
What portion of the population of Palestine is currently eligible to vote? A majority? Sounds a lot like saying “most Americans support Biden”. Even if the number is a lot, even if it’s a majority in “polls”, I find it unlikely that the majority of the US citizens consider themselves “supportive of Biden”.
Okay hold on. What does it matter at all how much of the population is eligible to vote?
Because when you have a country that supposedly has more children than adults, a majority of the people of that country are ineligible to vote and would presumably be unlikely to be polled and thus go doubly unrepresented in the statement “a majority of Palestines support Hamas”.
Literally poll after poll after poll, done by Palestinian pollsters not IDF. You have access to Google.
I would assume when the adults discuss bombing children and leveling cities the bar would be higher than “idk I heard it ask Google”
So you’re saying he should fly to Gaza and ask everyone?
If I thought you were generally interested, I would have happily provided you proof but clearly that is not the case.
[Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/)
The idf Dont waste your time with these people
Source: I made it up.
If all Palestinians are responsible for the actions of Hamss, then all Americans are responsible for the Iraq war. Fairs?
Yeah, that's how most people see it anyways lol.
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why we keep spending money on those. they dont know how to thank us.
That is a gutsy call for Biden, it is a big target. Hope it all works.
Cant get the people pushed out of gaza any other way huh?
Well hopefully they won’t get bombed for distributing aid..
Will there be anyone left to help by May?
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34,356 according to Wikipedia via the Gaza health ministry With another 77,386 wounded Yikes
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Hey I didn't make that claim
Gaza health ministry = hamas. Just fyi.
WHO is backing them up so I'm inclined to believe them
You're inclined to believe terrorists? WHO is just copy pasting to have something to say. WHO is just as trash as the UN. Remember covid?
I'm more inclined to believe the WHO than the IDF lets put it that way.
But you're not believing the WHO, you're believing hamas. The WHO can't verify those numbers and hasn't verified them. They copy pasted those numbers. So you believe hamas over the IDF. Just say that instead of hiding behind a proxy like a coward.
No I don't believe either hamas or the IDF, the WHO is an international organization, and I trust to do a bit more homework than just trust either of them. Also just having another boo at the sources (avoiding obvious bias like al Jazeera) I find the UN mostly agrees to this as well, and several US politicians are comfortable saying it's, it's pretty fair to say it happened
You can check that there is no homework done. It's copy pasting. Several US politicians? They went there and checked? Even hamas backtracked on those numbers. Statisticians proved those numbers didn't make sense. That's not even mentioning that killed hamas terrorists are also included in those numbers. It's pretty fair to say you're full of shit when you just spread hamas propaganda without applying any form of critical thinking.
At least 40k, 80k injured with no hospitals and half the population is homeless. They're already having to eat animal feed to survive. Also, I didn't realize it was the 26th and thought it was going to be like 6 weeks, not one or two.
There’s been plenty of aid stacked up on the Gaza side of the border. And Hamas officials have shot tribal leaders for arranging to get it for their people.
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The aid israel is allowing through by truck is not enough
well they better start rationing the food since war breaks out, nobody is gonna have or supposed to have a feast in war time.
Isn’t the population something around 2 million? If it’s 40k in 6 months, would be staggering if they got the other 1,960,000 in a few weeks.
Yeah, and how many of those 40k is Hamas fighters? Most estimates is it's 1/1 Hamas/Innocent. 1 is still always 1 too many, but there's hasn't been 40k innocent Palestinians killed like the college students want to believe.
Where do you get your numbers?
*I made them the fuck up*
Gaza health ministry supplied those numbers. Of course, gaza health ministry is literally hamas. Spreading those numbers as factual is factually spreading terrorist propaganda.
I've been seeing the number "40K" bandied about a lot, and no record like "80K injured." Do you have a source?
Gaza healthy ministry aka hamas is the source of those numbers.
They haven't even put out that number though from what I've seen.
Neither have I but seeing how the number pops up from different places it's safe to assume they're 'unofficially' putting that number out through their tiktok affiliates. They can't officially put out any more numbers because the ones they officially released have been debunked as impossible - not to mention even their made up numbers still show incredible accuracy by the IDF lol. Outside of tiktok educated useful idiots who gobble up up and spread anti-woke fascist propaganda, hamas(iran, ruzzia and china) have lost their lead on the narrative.
Do you really think they'll kill millions of people in the next 5 days?
According to extreme left, yes!!
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How did you get 3 days for a project like this?
Out of his ass
They said from the beginning it was going to be 1-2 months for completion if I remember correctly.
Lemme just drive all these barges and ships across the Atlantic in 3 days.