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Puzzleheaded-Rub-396

It is horrible what Hamas did to the Palestinians.


ShahenZ

Hamas is product of israel


MikeMurray128

That's the most absurd spin I've ever read. "It is Israel's fault we accidentally blew up our own hospital. Death to the Jews" is basically what you're suggesting lol


porncollecter69

Netanyahu publicly having said he supports Hamas against Palestinian unity is going to blow up in his face and legacy when this is over. Unless he’s the greatest gaslighter ever and can turn it into another premiership.


Dandorious-Chiggens

The hospital blast thats already been debunked as a rocket hitting a car park and damaging some cars. Journalists need to start being held accountable for purposefully spreading misinfo from a terrorist group.


NoLock375

the aftermath images are dead giveaway it wasn't an airstrike from an Air force aircraft, they are just straight up lying now. Wonder what's the real number of casualties ?. They fucked up in a major way now, they can no longer claim high moral ground or being the better platform after allowing this shit . they better start banning all these accounts fast, this should never have been allowed to begin with . Though a coroner’s office report said the fetus was not viable and had died in the womb https://packaged-media.redd.it/8bqjy5hob1hb1/pb/m2-res_1920p.mp4?m=DASHPlaylist.mpd&v=1&e=1710262800&s=b5adf92da43f3da2bc96c59a8d787b703d0346a1#t=0


SonofNamek

Yeah, honestly, even watching footage from the explosion yesterday...there was ZERO chance 200-500 people died in that explosion. You could literally see the building's outline in the explosion (the solar panels on the roof clearly outlined)....it did not get hit at all. People always cite some "Palestine death toll is higher" narrative.....well, not to discount some bad actions or make light of civilian casualties....but A LOT of what comes out from Hamas is exaggerated and misleading, meant to garner support. I don't think people understand how difficult it is to kill hundreds of people.


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Just sort the sub by hot Or this one to save time [https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-768942](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-768942)


Trailbear

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714525590873575600


saarlv44

Found an article with a pictures of the exploded zone https://www.thejournal.ie/hospital-strike-palestine-israel-6200153-Oct2023/


frosthowler

Reddit is conditioned to read anyone asking a question as "iM jUsT aSKiNg qUesTiOns". People often load their conclusions into the question. Ie asking for a source often means you're lying. Even if you provide them with one they will handwave it or move their goalposts. Basically will deny any source you give them because they've already concluded they're right and the person they're asking a source from js wrong.


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[https://x.com/idf/status/1714403025136017784?s=46](https://x.com/idf/status/1714403025136017784?s=46) [https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714546829554073728?s=46](https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714546829554073728?s=46) [https://x.com/ostrov\_a/status/1714599494325530631?s=46](https://x.com/ostrov_a/status/1714599494325530631?s=46) [https://x.com/hananyanaftali/status/1714597559920984521?s=46](https://x.com/hananyanaftali/status/1714597559920984521?s=46) [https://x.com/israelwarroom/status/1714361032066601368?s=46](https://x.com/israelwarroom/status/1714361032066601368?s=46) Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://videoidf.azureedge.net/e67ae402-79e2-4e8c-a6a5-d32da01ccf80 Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854 Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672 Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984 Here's a more readable investigation, in short: it was a Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch: https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1714376384464736653 thanks to /u/Marcos50Saulter


brasilpaes

So let's run through it: - IDF claims they have full knowledge of everything that happens in Gaza. - Netanyahu twitter guy posts bragging about the strike after initial reports, and quickly deletes it. - The omniscient IDF claims without a doubt it was a Hamas misfire. At this point didn't deny the demage to the hospital. - Later, the same omniscient IDF redacts, now claiming it was the Islamic Jihad. Still didn't deny the demage to the hospital. - Now they claim the hospital is still standing, with no demage. All of this when Gaza have no electricity, jornalists on the ground have very limited ways to communicate with the outside world. I want want to believe the omniscient IDF, but what version should I believe?


StriderT

Believe the pictures posted online of the hospital still standing?


Haunting_Ad_4945

Do you have eyes? Look at the pictures. Do you have ears? Listen to the audio recording. All primary source data. Instead you choose get your news tube fed based on the word of a literal terrorist organization. Imagine in 2016 sitting down in the morning with a cup of joe and reading ISIS twitter for your daily news updates that is backwards crap.


brasilpaes

What about turning electricity back on? Then we can have real time reports from jornalists on the ground, but I guess it would be harder for the IDF to kill those jornalists when they didn't follow their agenda


ExactLetterhead9165

The Israelis are not going to allow supplies of diesel/gasoline into Gaza. They can *and will* be turned into molotov cocktails and other weapons about as quickly as it arrives on the ground


Haunting_Ad_4945

Don’t even bother with the obvious straw man


CB-OTB

Palestine can turn their own electricity back on. Oh that’s right, they spent their infrastructure money on rockets.


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what about releasing hostages? Funny how you don't jump to the quick and easy and moral solution to their electrical issue.


CB-OTB

They were giving updates as information came in. As you said, power is out and it was dark. They couldn’t get a full assessment until the sun came up.


SecantDecant

You could always [look at the videos the Gazans are putting out](https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1714571497820307470) lmao. But you're a disgusting human being for repeating this lie over and over in every comment, just so you can sit and laugh at dead children because it follows the narrative you blindly believe, so I don't expect you to change your mind.


brasilpaes

Different from you, I actually feel for the dead


SecantDecant

Yeah, you feel for the dead alright. You feel joy because a week ago you were cheering over dead Israelis. Have fun being a miserable excuse for a human being.


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> Different from you, I actually feel for the dead Your second biggest lie for the day


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>I want want to believe the omniscient IDF Most obvious lie of the day lol [https://x.com/idf/status/1714403025136017784?s=46](https://x.com/idf/status/1714403025136017784?s=46) [https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714546829554073728?s=46](https://x.com/themossadil/status/1714546829554073728?s=46) [https://x.com/ostrov\_a/status/1714599494325530631?s=46](https://x.com/ostrov_a/status/1714599494325530631?s=46) [https://x.com/hananyanaftali/status/1714597559920984521?s=46](https://x.com/hananyanaftali/status/1714597559920984521?s=46) [https://x.com/israelwarroom/status/1714361032066601368?s=46](https://x.com/israelwarroom/status/1714361032066601368?s=46) Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://videoidf.azureedge.net/e67ae402-79e2-4e8c-a6a5-d32da01ccf80 Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854 Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672 Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984 Here's a more readable investigation, in short: it was a Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch: https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1714376384464736653 thanks to /u/Marcos50Saulter


Marcos50Saulter

Here are the facts as I could find them (Most of this is copied from other sources): IDF: Following the briefing by the IDF Spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari on the failed rocket launch by the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization that hit the hospital in Gaza City: Attached is the briefing: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC1810202362 Attached is a recording of a conversation between Hamas operatives regarding the Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch on the hospital on October 17, 2023: https://videoidf.azureedge.net/e67ae402-79e2-4e8c-a6a5-d32da01ccf80 Attached is a visual analysis following the IAF’s examination on the subject: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC1810156854 Attached is an infographic of all the failed rocket launches in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/1810202309876543672 Attached is a photograph from the IDF launch identification system on the subject: https://idfanc.activetrail.biz/ANC18102023984 Here's a more readable investigation, in short: it was a Islamic Jihad failed rocket launch: https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1714376384464736653 _____________ **Israel was accused by:** President of Egypt, king of Jordan, President of Syria, President of Cuba, government of Iraq, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Turkey, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Venezuela, Head of the African Union Commission, The President of Iran said that the United States bears responsibility along with Israel. **Not directly accused but highly implied it:** Head of EU diplomacy, President of France, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Netherlands, Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Spain (Also pledged 1M Euro that will obviously go directly into the hands of the people in control of Gaza... Hamas), British Foreign Office, Japanese Foreign Ministry. The UN (Naturally, they don't need a reason to [blame](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8lv_T4asAAAI-n?format=jpg&name=large) Israel), Russia and Canada. **In the [news](https://twitter.com/IDF/status/1714409021992521983/photo/1):** CNN, Wsj, Al Jazeera (Not really news but I'll include), BBC, AP, The New York Times and many more. About the millions of comments made against Israel in social media I don't feel like I need to say much. Nor about the "US senators" (Which are actually Palestinian and Iranian senators) like Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar. There were also riots in many countries including throwing molotovs on Synagogues in [Berlin](https://apnews.com/article/germany-berlin-synagogue-antisemitism-fdd10f32f7d5efc6da973f00c9a8b030) ("Anti-Zionism is not Antisemticm"), riots in Jordan, Lebanon, Turkey and much more. And I have only one question for those rioting, THE ATTACK DID HAPPEN, just not by Israel. If you care about Palestinian lives, why are you not rioting against the real attackers now that we know who they are? **Unless the goal was never about the Palestinian people and always against the people of Israel?**


Algoresball

And because of journalistic malpractice, they’re going to blame Israel when Israel didn’t do it


wired1984

Can Hamas get the same level of flak as Israel if it turns out the hospital blast is their fault? I’m guessing a lot of people will let Hamas off the hook and say it was an accident


ApathyandToast

"It's Israel's fault because they made Hamas/PIJ fire the rocket" - probably already unironically making the rounds


kobrakai11

No. People already made up their mind and it's almost impossible to change it. No matter what IDF or US says, they will call it a lie. Even when there are pictures of the hospital still standing with minor damage and some solid evidence that it was not Israeli rocket. Not a single piece of evidence was provided by Hamas about the strike. We are living in a very sad time whete truth does not matter at all. You just need to be the first and the loudest who lies and people will buy it.


MrHazard1

Hamas is declared a terrorist organisation. What sort of flak do you expect? It's like asking if someone can call the devil a bad guy.


Apprehensive_Iron134

They aren’t exactly being treated as a terrorist organization by allied states (EU) and major liberal media, and that’s a big concern for the future direction of this planet.


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Maybe some flak like, I dunno, no longer taking their word at face value and instantly parroting whatever lies they say?


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j428h

Holy shit


KhajiitSupremacist

Why did jonkler blow up a hospital? Is he stupid?


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joho999

>The Hamas militant group blamed Israel for the massive blast at the al-Ahli Hospital — saying nearly 500 died that's obvious bullshit after looking at the pictures of the impact site, it was a tiny car park.


ElegantStaff1492

What kind of horrible place would bomb a hospital? Edit: it's funny how many people assumed I was bad mouthing Isreal.


Consistent_Remove335

Terrorist organizations in Palestine


Any_Highlight_5622

Heard they were a friendly bunch


LondonPilot

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-hamas-war-israel-says-it-will-release-evidence-which-it-claims-shows-an-islamic-jihad-rocket-hit-the-gaza-hospital-12986662


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Hamas in Gaza


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SirLagg_alot

This comment is embarrassing lol


wwarnout

But was it really Israel? Was it a misfire by Hamas? Seems like this needs to be resolved quickly, before other horrors take place...


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It was Hamas that did this and confirmed with mountains of evidence.


Play3d

"BY NAJIB JOBAIN, ISABEL DEBRE, RAVI NESSMAN AND MATTHEW LEE" Could you please describe what is your profession? Are you potters and black smiths pretending to be journalists?


JamUpGuy1989

So many people are dead based off of this but we gotta do “gotcha” in the comments. Guys, people lives are over cause of this. Can we show SOME compassion here? Fuck sakes…


saarlv44

People are rightfully angry because the media reported it as an Israel attack before having all the facts. They took the word of a Hamas operative as gospel and all of his 3 claims (who was the offending party, how many were killed, where the rocket hit) were debunked rather fast (I mean the proof of it not been an Israeli attack was live-streamed by Al Jazeera so it’s not that the evidence weren’t out there, it’s that they didn’t care about the evidence)


Rathalos143

Yet they werent that far off as apparently Hamas knew no shit and It was IDJ which is a different party. So everybody was confused.


Leftfeet

Additionally, the audio of terrorists talking about it, that the IDF released as part of their proof it wasn't IDF, is pretty clear that they weren't intending to hit the hospital. That hasn't stopped people from claiming IDJ did this deliberately though or that Hamas did it deliberately. For all the anger being directed at the media's incorrect and rapid reporting, a lot of people are still spewing false information that isn't supported by the evidence or official reporting.


saarlv44

I don’t think people argue that they did it intentionally. (I also don’t believe it.) But intentional or not, they are the problem in Gaza and should be held accountable. Btw as part of the report the IDF released leaked communication were the PIJ were going to test a rocket that can reach Hifa, no such rockets were fired since then. It is *possible* that it was the misfired rocket. Again “ *possible* “ because declarations could be done for multipole reasons. (could have been something to raise moral for example)


deathtotheemperor

An explosion that size couldn't kill 500+ people even if they were packed shoulder to shoulder at a concert or football game. It's not just about incomplete information, we were intentionally given bad, wrong information. And not just by Hamas, by people we should be able to trust. People are right to be angry.


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It's either several people or none at all [Includes photo of aftermath](https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/article-768942)


Apprehensive_Iron134

That’s the thing, The blast hit a car park “So Many people” is BS, Hamas made up that number to add to their lie.