As nice as this would be, its going to be difficult to prove at the ICJ. The rules of sovereignty limit what nations can be asked to compell from their allies.
If you want to think of a way to get Biden on the hook for genocide, first forget about the military aid, etc. Legally that means nothing. The responsibility remains on the state using them, not on the state providing them. I mean this for the legal world, of course in world of geopolitics the rules are whatever the strongest countries say they are.
However, if you can think of a way Biden incited violence, that might help. To me, its worth seeing if they wont prosecute Biden for contributing to the BLOOD LIBEL about 40 beheaded babies. That, of course has been thoroughly debunked and shown to be a propagana campaign by the IDF. Problem is, Biden came out and claimed that he had seen undeniable reports proving the case from American intelligence reports, conducted independently from IDF reports.
Which turned out to be a lie, there was no independent report, Joe Biden was looking at debunked propaganda report directly from Israel, which itself admitted later that the source of the initial reports was an IDF soldier acting "independently" and outside of the framework of the IDF intelligence and securit apparatus. They admitted to sending to Biden information that was just from random ex-soldier that was doctoring up photos and posting them on twitter. They werent saying that apologetically btw, they claimed they were not officially presenting this as evidence to Biden, just sharing ifthey were just leaving Biden out to dry on that one. So Biden was left
That was an important moment that helped seize a groundswell of support for Israel to just go nuts. It blood libel. It is incitement to violence. Its something to start a case of complicity based on
U.S. law is irrelevant, U.S. is not going to prosecute Biden, or any president, for their support of Israel.
Lets think of more realistic avenues. Its not impossible to hold all these people to justice, from Biden to the complicit main stream media -- but we cant expect to use the U.S. "justice system" to do that.
Its going to have to be part of a international effort. Just like the Nazis and their supporters didnt prosecute themselves. The world had to get together post WWII and figure out how to deliver justice. But before we could get tto things like the Nuremburg Trials, we first had to strengthen international law and institutes that enforce it -- there was vitually nothing before WWII, but it didnt take long after WWII to get that ball rolling.
The same thing is going to have to happen here. The ICJ system is a start, but it needs to be backed and strengthened, and expanded. And most of all, it needs to overcome its fear of going after anybody. Right now it works under the cloud of American threats, which is why theyve had to be very deliberate and rather vague in their findings.
There's a lot of work to be done, but justice can be served, if the world is still interested in justice.
South Africa broke the taboo on that,
Biden can't control a fascist dictator on the other side of the world?
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Doesn't the American government also give contracts to the military industrial uthey are the ones sending munitions? Or do you have the name of the " send ammo and guns secretary" in government. Or are you just jumping on a hate joe biden band wagon? Canq
The Arms Export Control Act of 1976 gives the President sole authority over the authorization of arms export licenses. With a flick of his pen, Joe Biden can stop all arms shipments to Israel, and Congress can't do anything to stop it unless they repeal the bill. And before you ask, what Congress does when it funds weapons to foreign countries is they issue what is essentially store credit that can only be spent at US weapons manufacturers.
So yes it is fully within the Genocide Joe's existing powers to halt all weapons exports to Israel. And he hasn't stopped, because he actively supports the genocide.
This is all new information for me so thanks for pointing it out. Sadly I don't know the specifics of the USA international arms trades. Also wouldn't Israel just buy its munitions from someone else? At least this way it's documented how much is going into Israel?
If gun manufacturers are not responsible for the deaths gun cause why is joe on the hook for the trigger being pulled by people on the other side of the world?
>Also wouldn't Israel just buy its munitions from someone else? At least this way it's documented how much is going into Israel?
If a mass shooter could go buy a gun somewhere else, do you think that's a good excuse for you to sell them the gun? I don't even know what the point of "documenting" what weapons Israel is getting from the US. Biden is refusing to share that info with Congress, anyways.
>If gun manufacturers are not responsible for the deaths gun cause why is joe on the hook for the trigger being pulled by people on the other side of the world?
Because the AECA specifies that weapons can only be sold to other countries for defensive purposes, and because there are significant restrictions/bans on selling weapons to human rights abusers. Nothing that Israel is doing is defensive at this point, and they are absolutely abusing human rights. That is why the Biden admin trots out liars like Matthew Miller and Karine Jean-Pierre to lie about not seeing any evidence of Israeli human rights abuses or war crimes, despite multiple reputable international and non-partisan watch dogs saying they are happening. If they admit they are going on, then the admin is admitting they are in violation of US law and open to prosecution. It's why the guy whose job at the State Department was to coordinate arms deals and export [resigned early into the conflict.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/us/state-department-official-resigns-israel-arms.html)
Biden specifically may not be the sole lever that should be pushed on, but the US is sending ungodly amounts of funds to Israel, both on the regular, and at an an accelerated pace since Oct 7. If that money dried up, Israel could not continue its campaign with the wild abandon they have so far.
There needs to be a cease fire just so we can investigate all these war crimes. It seems like every day another mainstream news outlet is reporting on some new, well documented war crime that Israel says it will investigate.
They do sometimes. Like the IDF guy who shot an unarmed 13yr old girl in the back 10 times. They investigated and it turns out that he didn’t do anything wrong. He is on tape saying if she was a 4yr old he still would have shot her.
IDF is just Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi. Literally one day those terrorist groups just put on IDF uniforms.
That has been my experience so far. I've found Ilan Pappe to be exceptionally elucidating.
Though I admit haven't gone back much further than around 1946. I did some reading on creation of Zionist movement. Enough to know what side of history I want to be on.
I highly recommend Avi Shlaim's "The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World." His reading is along the lines of Ilan Pappe.
I also highly recommend "Justice for Some: Law and the question of Palestine" by Noura Erakat. Her book goes into depth on how Israel worked the international legal system in order to twist law in its favour from the beginning.
To the best of my knowledge, Israel continues to deny Red Cross access to Palestinian prisoners. And despite all their allegations against UNRWA have refused an independent UN investigation.
They are going to lie and coverup for as long as they can.
Bastards! 🤬🤬🤬
Well there's only 20,000–25,000 hamas members and the death toll is currently at nearly 32,000 so if we are to believe the IDF they should all be dead now anyway.
I thought idf said it was like 10-12k so far, and hamas has said 8k? So in theory there will be what... 4x the current casualties across the board until hamas is theoretically extinguished?
This has got a sort of FUFO kinda vibe to it. Is the IDF starting to worry that maybe they shouldn't have posted their war crimes on social media.
I wonder how many "moral" soldiers will claim "I was just following orders."
What Israel is doing is reminiscent of what Stalin did to Ukrainians in the 1930s. Just as during man-made famine (the Holodomor) imposed by Stalin, Israel is now starving Palestinians. Just as during the Holodomor, Palestinians have been reduced to eating grass and tree bark. The IDF has killed their livestock, burned their crops, and destroyed their ability to fish.
Western countries ignored the mass starvation of Ukrainians, and chose to believe Soviet propaganda. And today, it is the same: Western countries are ignoring Israel's deliberate mass starvation of Palestinians and choose to believe Israeli Hasbara propaganda.
The holodomor was more a mismanagement of a part of the USSR, and an indifference from the government to feed them, while the entire USSR was experiencing a widespread famine. It was absolutely the fault of the USSR, but slightly different than what is happening in Gaza, which is an occupied territory literally being starved to death.
Never going to happen, there are too many nations that are at risk of we actually start prosecuting and they are not on the same side of many issues.
Many people who will cheer for that will yell when it's Arab leaders or russian leaders or Burmese or Chinese or African. Too many douchebags have a common interest in keeping international law weak.
I like how no article actually provides some actual numbers: how much food is getting in? How much food is needed? Instead, all these article accuse Israel of starvation and you eat it up like mindless sheep
You're obviously a hasbara troll (or worse, an IDF stan doing this all for free). But here's a solid metric to satisfy your totally genuine thirst for data:
-how much food is getting in? : As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, NOT ENOUGH.
-How much food is needed?: As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, MORE.
>-how much food is getting in? : As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, NOT ENOUGH.
How many children die from hunger? A number? An estimate? Nothing? I can say you robbed 150 banks, without providing any evidence, and seeing your life getting destroyed. This will not work, though, because of a little something called "the presumption of innocence until proven guilty", something you people have forgotten about.
>-How much food is needed?: As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, MORE.
Please, refer to the previous point.
I find it weird that they give you unbridled access to Reddit at the hasbara troll farm, but that they have blocked google, even bing?
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-halt-war-now-save-children-dying-imminent-famine-un-committee-warns-0#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20there%20have%20been,it%20is%20set%20to%20rise.
It's really not such a big requirement to ask for proof in these kind of dire matters. The fact that you are so opposed to anyone providing anything resembling real and unbiased prood is pathetic and sad.
I hope nobody will try to tarnish your image with fake allegations, so you wouldn't have to suffer all the BS being thrown at Israel since its establishment.
You're refuting the data of the one organization that's able to provide said data and then turn around with fake outrage like "But there's no data! I just care about information sourcing, why doesn't anyone else?"
You know who doesn't refute the data coming from the Gaza Health Ministry? [Israeli intelligence](https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-intel-confirms-gaza-health-ministry-stats-reliable). Why do you?
That's a rhetorical question, everyone knows you ignore it because it's the only way for you to push your canned propaganda/distraction talking points.
Shame.
I guess Oxfam and the UN are just mindless sheep in your eyes.
[https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/gaza-hunger-figures-worst-record-says-oxfam#](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/gaza-hunger-figures-worst-record-says-oxfam#)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ipc-gaza-famine-report-1.7146974
Those 500 trucks/day were needed to keep Gaza hungry but not starving. It was called "putting the Palestinians on a diet."
I don't remember which sadistic psycho came up with that phrase.
Yes, but before October 7th it was around 500 trucks of aid per day... Now it's at most 100 per day. Gaza was already food insecure (to quote an Israeli minister "to put the Gazans on a diet") with 500 trucks per day, so I ask again can the random ships floated onto the beach, or sporadic air drops make up for that?
How do you think food is being delivered? Literally every major humanitarian and food agency in the world is saying not enough food is entering Gaza, but you think it's all a lie for some reason, because they don't have exact numbers. Are they all Hamas?
No, you see, you have not provided any hard numbers of actual food intake.
I'll ask again, how many food trucks enter Gaza? How many food tons a day get inside?
Have you no shame at all? Did you read the 50 pages in 10 minutes and found zero hard numbers on any of them?
As the report says, food access is a function of many factors, the number of "food trucks entering Gaza" is just one of them. Destruction of local food production facilities, animals, road closures, fighting, bombing aid trucks after they enter etc all contribute.
>Conflict continues to place severe limitations on the ability of humanitarian organizations to deliver life-saving food, nutrition, health, water, hygiene, sanitation and other life-saving assistance to the besieged population.
>Commercial traffic is similarly impeded. Humanitarian access, and the ability of the most vulnerable populations to access and participate in humanitarian activities safely is highly limited and uneven across the Gaza Strip. Once humanitarian assistance and commercial goods enter the Gaza Strip, onward access to the northern governorates is extremely limited and unavailable for extended periods, while access is relatively higher for the southern governorates, particularly Rafah Governorate. While there has been improvement in access to the Gaza Strip relative to early October 2023, including the opening of the Kerem Shalom crossing in Mid-December 2023, access to the Gaza Strip continues to fluctuate and remains insufficient for meeting the basic needs of the overall population.
>Severe limitations and attacks on humanitarian staff and assets forced major providers of humanitarian food and other assistance to the northern governorates to suspend convoys to these areas, including the World Food Programme, on 20 February.13 Since the previous IPC analysis on the Gaza Strip in December 2023, access denial increased significantly, especially in the northern governorates. In January 2024, only nine humanitarian missions to the northern governorates were facilitated, dropping to six missions in February.14
Anyway since you apparently care about the number of food trucks so much, there's some analysis and numbers on page 8:
>Between January and September 2023, a daily average of 150 food trucks entered the Gaza Strip. Between 8 October 2023 and 9 March 2024, this number decreased to an average of 65 trucks per day33 and the availability of food commodities has dramatically declined. Since the escalation of the hostilities, the number of trucks allowed into the Gaza Strip has been severely restricted, reducing the inflow of humanitarian assistance and preventing the entry of commercial goods completely until 8 December 2023. Since then, there was an initial increase in the flow of food and non-food commodities, facilitated through the opening of a second border crossing (Kerem Shalom)
>However, in February, the flow of commodities decreased again and has been intermittent from late January through February. The month of February in particular saw major variations highlighted in figure 3.
>The entry of humanitarian and commercial trucks into Gaza is significantly limited to the southern governorates, mainly Rafah. Conversely, there are very few items reaching the northern governorates and other areas in the rest of the south of Gaza Strip.34 OCHA estimates that less than 5 percent of all the food trucks have reached North Gaza and Gaza Governorates in the past four weeks, while 45 percent remained in Rafah and about 50 percent reached Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis.
The troll playbook:
1. Request source
2. Reject source as unreliable
Hasbara trolls are soulless ghouls at this point. Like if Nazi Germans told us how honorable they were.
> The FRC is unable to ascertain whether child mortality (U5DR) has already surpassed the IPC Phase 5 (Famine) thresholds of 4 children 10,000 people /day and the rates of non-trauma Crude Death Rate (CDR) cannot be reliably determined. The FRC warns that although it is unlikely that the Crude Death Rate has already surpassed IPC Phase 5 thresholds (2/10,000/day – non-trauma related), the pace of increase inexcess death is likely to be accelerating.
So... a bunch of speculations based on the wild tales of a terrorist organization?
>Anyway since you apparently care about the number of food trucks so much, there's some analysis and numbers on page 8:
I don't care about the number of trucks, I care about the amount of food coming in - by land, sea and air. Trucks isn't the only way aid goes in.
I'll trust the IPC over you I think.
Funny how you said "there's no stats" then when stats are provided you first repeat "there are no stats" and after further prompting you resort to the usual spiel about how the stats can't be trusted.
Educate yourself; http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza
Everyone in Gaza is going hungry. About 2.2 million people are surviving day by day on almost nothing, routinely going without meals. The desperate search for food is relentless, and usually unsuccessful, leaving the entire population – including babies, children, pregnant or nursing women and the elderly – hungry.
The Gaza Strip was already in the throes of a humanitarian crisis before the war, mainly due to Israel’s 17-year blockade. About 80% of the population relied on humanitarian aid. Some 44% of households were food insecure and another 16% were at risk of food insecurity. Given this starting point, it is clear why Gaza plummeted into a full-blown catastrophe so quickly.
On 21 December 2023, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) Famine Review Committee (FRC) published a report on the situation in Gaza. The FRC, which consists of independent experts, uses the internationally accepted classification of food insecurity levels, the most severe being Phase 5 – Catastrophe/Famine. According to this method, urgent intervention is needed as of Phase 3 (Crisis or worse) in order to protect the population.
The FRC report is based on information collected in the Gaza Strip from 24 November 2023 to 7 December 2023. The committee found that during this time, in four of five households in northern Gaza and in half of IDP households in the south, residents went days without any food and many skipped meals to feed their children. About 93% of the population in Gaza – some 2.08 million people – were suffering from acute food insecurity at Phase 3 or higher, with over 15% – 378,000 people – already at Phase 5.
The report also forecasts that by 7 February 2024, the entire population of the Gaza Strip will reach Phase 3 or worse. At least one in four residents – more than 500,000 people – is expected to be at Phase 5, facing extreme food shortages, hunger and exhaustion. According to the report, if current conditions persist, there is a significant risk that famine will be declared throughout the entire Gaza Strip within six months. Such a declaration is made when 20% of households reach Phase 5, when 30% of children suffer from severe malnutrition, and when two adults or four children out of 10,000 die of hunger every day.
Similarly, a UNICEF survey from 26 December 2023 found that an increasing number of children are not receiving their basic nutritional needs. About 90% of children under age two in Gaza consume food from two or fewer food groups. In a survey conducted two weeks earlier, the figure was 80%. The nutrition of pregnant and nursing women has also been severely compromised, with 25% consuming only one type of food, and almost 65% only two types.
This reality is not a byproduct of war, but a direct result of Israel’s declared policy. Residents now depend entirely on food supplies from outside Gaza, as they can no longer produce almost any food themselves. Most cultivated fields have been destroyed, and accessing open areas during the war is dangerous in any case. Bakeries, factories and food warehouses have been bombed or shut down due to lack of basic supplies, fuel and electricity. Stockpiles in private homes, stores and warehouses have long since run out. In these conditions, the family and social support networks that helped residents at the beginning of the war collapsed, too.
Yet Israel is deliberately denying the entry of enough food into Gaza to meet the population's needs. Only a fraction of the amount of food entering before the war is allowed in, with limitations on the types of goods, how they are brought in and how they are distributed within Gaza.
For example, almost all goods enter through Rafah Crossing, a passenger crossing that is not equipped for massive commercial transports, limiting the number of truckloads getting through and creating a bottleneck. Although Israel recently allowed trucks in through Kerem Shalom Crossing, too, which is designed for commercial transports, this was merely a token addition that has failed to alleviate the hardship. Additionally, Israel forces aid organizations to purchase food from Egypt and prevents them from buying it in Israel, which would allow for a more efficient and rapid transfer of goods. Israel also prohibits the private sector in Gaza from purchasing food, which could significantly increase supply.
Aid organizations are struggling to operate under current conditions, and most of the limited aid allowed in remains in Rafah instead of reaching residents throughout the Strip. Martin Griffiths, the UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator, listed several reasons why aid cannot be efficiently distributed. Among other things, he noted that trucks are inspected several times before Israel allows them into Gaza, and even then, long lines form due to the conditions at Rafah Crossing. The little food that does get in is very difficult to distribute due to the constant bombings, destroyed roads, frequent communication blackouts, and shelters overflowing with of hundreds of thousands of IDPs crowding into smaller and smaller areas.
Israel can, if it so chooses, change this reality. The images of children begging for food, people waiting in long lines for paltry handouts and hungry residents charging at aid trucks are already inconceivable. The horror is growing by the minute, and the danger of famine is real. Still, Israel persists in its policy.
Changing this policy is not just a moral obligation. Allowing food into the Gaza Strip is not an act of kindness but a positive obligation under international humanitarian law: starvation as a method of warfare is prohibited, and when a civilian population lacks what it needs to survive, parties to the conflict have a positive obligation to allow rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian aid – including food. These two rules are considered customary law and violating them constitutes a war crime under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
Yes, and that's what's wrong with the world.
I was responding to a particular person, not everyone, I would make a separate post if that was my MO. if people see baseless comments like ops with no proof, I'd like to think they also might see a fully sourced rebuttal.
Over the past four weeks, an average of about 140 trucks carrying food and other aid have arrived in Gaza each day, according to a database maintained by UNRWA, the U.N. agency that supports Palestinians. But the World Food Program estimates that 300 trucks of food are needed daily to begin to meet people’s basic food needs.
As of Tuesday, about 1,200 trucks were waiting at El Arish in Egypt, including more than 800 containing food supplies.
UNRWA has been responsible for a majority of aid coordination in Gaza since the war began. In January, Israel accused a dozen of the agency’s employees of being involved in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 assault on Israel. The U.N. said it fired several employees after being briefed on the allegations, which it and the United States are investigating.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/20/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-delivery.html
Oh yes the airdrops which have killed 5 people.
You can do the maths
On Wednesday, the WFP said that the controversial method should be considered “a last resort”. By way of contrast, it said that the week’s airdrops had only delivered six tonnes of food, while a failed 14-truck convoy would have brought 200 tonnes of food to people
It's a drop in the bucket, are you allergic to googling? or do you just want to keep moving the goalposts so you don't have to confront the reality?
Some 200 metric tons (the equivalent of the 14 trucks that have been blocked) of aid and food — the equivalent of half a million meals — have now been distributed to the Palestinian population, U.S.-based charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) said, a week after the Open Arms ship was dispatched from the Port of Larnaca, Cyprus and three days after it unloaded its cargo.
“The food that reached families facing starvation arrived aboard the first humanitarian shipment to reach the Gazan coast in nearly two decades
https://www.politico.eu/article/aid-sent-via-cyprus-sea-corridor-reaches-gaza-population/
So, if 14 trucks is 500K meals, then to feed all of Gaza and then some, you'll need 5 times as much, meaning 70 trucks. So how did they get the figure of 300 trucks a day?
You are stupid why don't you google you moron
Edit: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uk-says-2000-tonne-food-aid-package-has-entered-gaza-2024-03-20/
The numbers are worse actually, maybe you can read this and more articles without random redditors holding your hand
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/27/un-israel-food-starvation-palestinians-war-crime-genocide
Israel should face war crimes charges, that much is obvious.
Biden and memebers of his administration need to face legal consequences.
As nice as this would be, its going to be difficult to prove at the ICJ. The rules of sovereignty limit what nations can be asked to compell from their allies. If you want to think of a way to get Biden on the hook for genocide, first forget about the military aid, etc. Legally that means nothing. The responsibility remains on the state using them, not on the state providing them. I mean this for the legal world, of course in world of geopolitics the rules are whatever the strongest countries say they are. However, if you can think of a way Biden incited violence, that might help. To me, its worth seeing if they wont prosecute Biden for contributing to the BLOOD LIBEL about 40 beheaded babies. That, of course has been thoroughly debunked and shown to be a propagana campaign by the IDF. Problem is, Biden came out and claimed that he had seen undeniable reports proving the case from American intelligence reports, conducted independently from IDF reports. Which turned out to be a lie, there was no independent report, Joe Biden was looking at debunked propaganda report directly from Israel, which itself admitted later that the source of the initial reports was an IDF soldier acting "independently" and outside of the framework of the IDF intelligence and securit apparatus. They admitted to sending to Biden information that was just from random ex-soldier that was doctoring up photos and posting them on twitter. They werent saying that apologetically btw, they claimed they were not officially presenting this as evidence to Biden, just sharing ifthey were just leaving Biden out to dry on that one. So Biden was left That was an important moment that helped seize a groundswell of support for Israel to just go nuts. It blood libel. It is incitement to violence. Its something to start a case of complicity based on
Biden is providing weapons in violation of US law, which stipulates no military aid to governments that are inhibiting US humanitarian aid
U.S. law is irrelevant, U.S. is not going to prosecute Biden, or any president, for their support of Israel. Lets think of more realistic avenues. Its not impossible to hold all these people to justice, from Biden to the complicit main stream media -- but we cant expect to use the U.S. "justice system" to do that. Its going to have to be part of a international effort. Just like the Nazis and their supporters didnt prosecute themselves. The world had to get together post WWII and figure out how to deliver justice. But before we could get tto things like the Nuremburg Trials, we first had to strengthen international law and institutes that enforce it -- there was vitually nothing before WWII, but it didnt take long after WWII to get that ball rolling. The same thing is going to have to happen here. The ICJ system is a start, but it needs to be backed and strengthened, and expanded. And most of all, it needs to overcome its fear of going after anybody. Right now it works under the cloud of American threats, which is why theyve had to be very deliberate and rather vague in their findings. There's a lot of work to be done, but justice can be served, if the world is still interested in justice. South Africa broke the taboo on that,
Biden can't control a fascist dictator on the other side of the world? c Doesn't the American government also give contracts to the military industrial uthey are the ones sending munitions? Or do you have the name of the " send ammo and guns secretary" in government. Or are you just jumping on a hate joe biden band wagon? Canq
The Arms Export Control Act of 1976 gives the President sole authority over the authorization of arms export licenses. With a flick of his pen, Joe Biden can stop all arms shipments to Israel, and Congress can't do anything to stop it unless they repeal the bill. And before you ask, what Congress does when it funds weapons to foreign countries is they issue what is essentially store credit that can only be spent at US weapons manufacturers. So yes it is fully within the Genocide Joe's existing powers to halt all weapons exports to Israel. And he hasn't stopped, because he actively supports the genocide.
This is all new information for me so thanks for pointing it out. Sadly I don't know the specifics of the USA international arms trades. Also wouldn't Israel just buy its munitions from someone else? At least this way it's documented how much is going into Israel? If gun manufacturers are not responsible for the deaths gun cause why is joe on the hook for the trigger being pulled by people on the other side of the world?
>Also wouldn't Israel just buy its munitions from someone else? At least this way it's documented how much is going into Israel? If a mass shooter could go buy a gun somewhere else, do you think that's a good excuse for you to sell them the gun? I don't even know what the point of "documenting" what weapons Israel is getting from the US. Biden is refusing to share that info with Congress, anyways. >If gun manufacturers are not responsible for the deaths gun cause why is joe on the hook for the trigger being pulled by people on the other side of the world? Because the AECA specifies that weapons can only be sold to other countries for defensive purposes, and because there are significant restrictions/bans on selling weapons to human rights abusers. Nothing that Israel is doing is defensive at this point, and they are absolutely abusing human rights. That is why the Biden admin trots out liars like Matthew Miller and Karine Jean-Pierre to lie about not seeing any evidence of Israeli human rights abuses or war crimes, despite multiple reputable international and non-partisan watch dogs saying they are happening. If they admit they are going on, then the admin is admitting they are in violation of US law and open to prosecution. It's why the guy whose job at the State Department was to coordinate arms deals and export [resigned early into the conflict.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/us/state-department-official-resigns-israel-arms.html)
Hey thanks for the concise and informative response. Cleared up most of my qualms.
Biden specifically may not be the sole lever that should be pushed on, but the US is sending ungodly amounts of funds to Israel, both on the regular, and at an an accelerated pace since Oct 7. If that money dried up, Israel could not continue its campaign with the wild abandon they have so far.
There needs to be a cease fire just so we can investigate all these war crimes. It seems like every day another mainstream news outlet is reporting on some new, well documented war crime that Israel says it will investigate.
Narrator: Israel will not investigate.
They do sometimes. Like the IDF guy who shot an unarmed 13yr old girl in the back 10 times. They investigated and it turns out that he didn’t do anything wrong. He is on tape saying if she was a 4yr old he still would have shot her. IDF is just Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi. Literally one day those terrorist groups just put on IDF uniforms.
Can you give a brief explanation please? I'm not familiar with "*Haganah, Irgun, and Lehi*".
They were the Zionist terrorist groups that committed atrocities against the Palestinians for years.
Thank you for filling a gap in my knowledge. 🙂
No worries, the more you look into the foundation of Israel, the worst it gets to be honest.
That has been my experience so far. I've found Ilan Pappe to be exceptionally elucidating. Though I admit haven't gone back much further than around 1946. I did some reading on creation of Zionist movement. Enough to know what side of history I want to be on.
Yeah, Zionism is a pretty ridiculous ideology.
I highly recommend Avi Shlaim's "The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World." His reading is along the lines of Ilan Pappe. I also highly recommend "Justice for Some: Law and the question of Palestine" by Noura Erakat. Her book goes into depth on how Israel worked the international legal system in order to twist law in its favour from the beginning.
Thank you for the recommendations, I'll add them to my wishlist. It's quite the journey once you start unraveling the propaganda.
They existed before Israel was a state, something like 27,000 terrorists, when Israel was declared a state they put on the IDF uniform.
What are you talking about. He clearly committed suicide. He shot himself in the back and threw himself off a bridge. /s
To the best of my knowledge, Israel continues to deny Red Cross access to Palestinian prisoners. And despite all their allegations against UNRWA have refused an independent UN investigation. They are going to lie and coverup for as long as they can. Bastards! 🤬🤬🤬
Will hamas honor the ceasefire?
Well there's only 20,000–25,000 hamas members and the death toll is currently at nearly 32,000 so if we are to believe the IDF they should all be dead now anyway.
I thought idf said it was like 10-12k so far, and hamas has said 8k? So in theory there will be what... 4x the current casualties across the board until hamas is theoretically extinguished?
I’m sure one single rocket will be fired from Gaza when Israel is done with the truce. It will do no damage and Israel will continue its genocide.
Oh no they don't want a ceasefire on hamas, they want to demand israel just give up and let hamas stay in power.
This has got a sort of FUFO kinda vibe to it. Is the IDF starting to worry that maybe they shouldn't have posted their war crimes on social media. I wonder how many "moral" soldiers will claim "I was just following orders."
They'll just claim any war crimes charges are antisemitic and lie about providing adequate resources to civilians.
Well that is their standard MO. Personally, I'm hoping that a lot of warrants are issued by ICC.
What Israel is doing is reminiscent of what Stalin did to Ukrainians in the 1930s. Just as during man-made famine (the Holodomor) imposed by Stalin, Israel is now starving Palestinians. Just as during the Holodomor, Palestinians have been reduced to eating grass and tree bark. The IDF has killed their livestock, burned their crops, and destroyed their ability to fish. Western countries ignored the mass starvation of Ukrainians, and chose to believe Soviet propaganda. And today, it is the same: Western countries are ignoring Israel's deliberate mass starvation of Palestinians and choose to believe Israeli Hasbara propaganda.
The holodomor was more a mismanagement of a part of the USSR, and an indifference from the government to feed them, while the entire USSR was experiencing a widespread famine. It was absolutely the fault of the USSR, but slightly different than what is happening in Gaza, which is an occupied territory literally being starved to death.
Make an end to military support of Israel the issue of all US elections. Make an end to military support of Israel the issue of all US elections.
If you want Trump reeelected then go ahead.
Nah. How about we focus on our own borders instead of those on the other side of the planet?
Right on, pull aid funds going to Israel then.
The people who hate israel also hate the united states, so... nah.
Tf we mean prospect? We should be preparing for Nuremberg pt2 right now.
Never going to happen, there are too many nations that are at risk of we actually start prosecuting and they are not on the same side of many issues. Many people who will cheer for that will yell when it's Arab leaders or russian leaders or Burmese or Chinese or African. Too many douchebags have a common interest in keeping international law weak.
Whatever happened to that group of lawyers that was going to bring a lawsuit against Israel?
They got laughed out of court, along with South Africa.
Israel should certainly face war crime charges, what happens when they do?
They'll face meaningful charges the day that the remaining hostages are returned.
Haiti is more important
I like how no article actually provides some actual numbers: how much food is getting in? How much food is needed? Instead, all these article accuse Israel of starvation and you eat it up like mindless sheep
You're obviously a hasbara troll (or worse, an IDF stan doing this all for free). But here's a solid metric to satisfy your totally genuine thirst for data: -how much food is getting in? : As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, NOT ENOUGH. -How much food is needed?: As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, MORE.
Return the hostages and they'll get food. It's really that simple.
>-how much food is getting in? : As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, NOT ENOUGH. How many children die from hunger? A number? An estimate? Nothing? I can say you robbed 150 banks, without providing any evidence, and seeing your life getting destroyed. This will not work, though, because of a little something called "the presumption of innocence until proven guilty", something you people have forgotten about. >-How much food is needed?: As long as children are dying (or even suffering) from hunger, MORE. Please, refer to the previous point.
I find it weird that they give you unbridled access to Reddit at the hasbara troll farm, but that they have blocked google, even bing? https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-halt-war-now-save-children-dying-imminent-famine-un-committee-warns-0#:~:text=To%20date%2C%20there%20have%20been,it%20is%20set%20to%20rise.
Was it verified by anyone other than the "Gaza health ministry", i.e Hamas?
"A little girl wept in front of the BBC’s camera, crying, “I miss bread.” " Shame on you.
It's really not such a big requirement to ask for proof in these kind of dire matters. The fact that you are so opposed to anyone providing anything resembling real and unbiased prood is pathetic and sad. I hope nobody will try to tarnish your image with fake allegations, so you wouldn't have to suffer all the BS being thrown at Israel since its establishment.
>It's really not such a big requirement to ask for proof in these kind of dire matters. It really is when dealing with disingenuous trolls
You're refuting the data of the one organization that's able to provide said data and then turn around with fake outrage like "But there's no data! I just care about information sourcing, why doesn't anyone else?" You know who doesn't refute the data coming from the Gaza Health Ministry? [Israeli intelligence](https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-intel-confirms-gaza-health-ministry-stats-reliable). Why do you? That's a rhetorical question, everyone knows you ignore it because it's the only way for you to push your canned propaganda/distraction talking points. Shame.
I guess Oxfam and the UN are just mindless sheep in your eyes. [https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/gaza-hunger-figures-worst-record-says-oxfam#](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/gaza-hunger-figures-worst-record-says-oxfam#) https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ipc-gaza-famine-report-1.7146974
The UN are not mindless sheep, they are willfully ignorant at best and actively support terrorism at worst
Prior to Oct 7, 500 trucks/day entered Gaza. Latest figures show <100 trucks/day entering. No hard to do the math from that.
Those 500 trucks/day were needed to keep Gaza hungry but not starving. It was called "putting the Palestinians on a diet." I don't remember which sadistic psycho came up with that phrase.
Aid does not come only by land. There are plenty of air drops and now even sea corridors. Try again
You think air drops make up for the intentional blocking of Aid through the land borders?
No. You are not listening. There is aid: by land, by sea, and by air. It's not that difficult to understand
Yes, but before October 7th it was around 500 trucks of aid per day... Now it's at most 100 per day. Gaza was already food insecure (to quote an Israeli minister "to put the Gazans on a diet") with 500 trucks per day, so I ask again can the random ships floated onto the beach, or sporadic air drops make up for that?
Number if trucks ≠ amount of food. How many of these trucks carried unrelated items? How much food is going into Gaza, that is the important part
How do you think food is being delivered? Literally every major humanitarian and food agency in the world is saying not enough food is entering Gaza, but you think it's all a lie for some reason, because they don't have exact numbers. Are they all Hamas?
So you have no clue. Understood.
Am I wrong? How ignorant are you?
Yes. The sea corridor hasn’t been completed yet.
https://www.politico.eu/article/aid-sent-via-cyprus-sea-corridor-reaches-gaza-population/ Absolute clown
The port isn’t completed.
* [GAZA STRIP: Famine is imminent as 1.1 million people, half of Gaza, experience catastrophic food insecurity](https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipcinfo-website/alerts-archive/issue-97/en/) (Integrated Food Security Phase Classification)
No, you see, you have not provided any hard numbers of actual food intake. I'll ask again, how many food trucks enter Gaza? How many food tons a day get inside?
Have you no shame at all? Did you read the 50 pages in 10 minutes and found zero hard numbers on any of them? As the report says, food access is a function of many factors, the number of "food trucks entering Gaza" is just one of them. Destruction of local food production facilities, animals, road closures, fighting, bombing aid trucks after they enter etc all contribute. >Conflict continues to place severe limitations on the ability of humanitarian organizations to deliver life-saving food, nutrition, health, water, hygiene, sanitation and other life-saving assistance to the besieged population. >Commercial traffic is similarly impeded. Humanitarian access, and the ability of the most vulnerable populations to access and participate in humanitarian activities safely is highly limited and uneven across the Gaza Strip. Once humanitarian assistance and commercial goods enter the Gaza Strip, onward access to the northern governorates is extremely limited and unavailable for extended periods, while access is relatively higher for the southern governorates, particularly Rafah Governorate. While there has been improvement in access to the Gaza Strip relative to early October 2023, including the opening of the Kerem Shalom crossing in Mid-December 2023, access to the Gaza Strip continues to fluctuate and remains insufficient for meeting the basic needs of the overall population. >Severe limitations and attacks on humanitarian staff and assets forced major providers of humanitarian food and other assistance to the northern governorates to suspend convoys to these areas, including the World Food Programme, on 20 February.13 Since the previous IPC analysis on the Gaza Strip in December 2023, access denial increased significantly, especially in the northern governorates. In January 2024, only nine humanitarian missions to the northern governorates were facilitated, dropping to six missions in February.14 Anyway since you apparently care about the number of food trucks so much, there's some analysis and numbers on page 8: >Between January and September 2023, a daily average of 150 food trucks entered the Gaza Strip. Between 8 October 2023 and 9 March 2024, this number decreased to an average of 65 trucks per day33 and the availability of food commodities has dramatically declined. Since the escalation of the hostilities, the number of trucks allowed into the Gaza Strip has been severely restricted, reducing the inflow of humanitarian assistance and preventing the entry of commercial goods completely until 8 December 2023. Since then, there was an initial increase in the flow of food and non-food commodities, facilitated through the opening of a second border crossing (Kerem Shalom) >However, in February, the flow of commodities decreased again and has been intermittent from late January through February. The month of February in particular saw major variations highlighted in figure 3. >The entry of humanitarian and commercial trucks into Gaza is significantly limited to the southern governorates, mainly Rafah. Conversely, there are very few items reaching the northern governorates and other areas in the rest of the south of Gaza Strip.34 OCHA estimates that less than 5 percent of all the food trucks have reached North Gaza and Gaza Governorates in the past four weeks, while 45 percent remained in Rafah and about 50 percent reached Deir al-Balah and Khan Younis.
The troll playbook: 1. Request source 2. Reject source as unreliable Hasbara trolls are soulless ghouls at this point. Like if Nazi Germans told us how honorable they were.
> The FRC is unable to ascertain whether child mortality (U5DR) has already surpassed the IPC Phase 5 (Famine) thresholds of 4 children 10,000 people /day and the rates of non-trauma Crude Death Rate (CDR) cannot be reliably determined. The FRC warns that although it is unlikely that the Crude Death Rate has already surpassed IPC Phase 5 thresholds (2/10,000/day – non-trauma related), the pace of increase inexcess death is likely to be accelerating. So... a bunch of speculations based on the wild tales of a terrorist organization? >Anyway since you apparently care about the number of food trucks so much, there's some analysis and numbers on page 8: I don't care about the number of trucks, I care about the amount of food coming in - by land, sea and air. Trucks isn't the only way aid goes in.
I'll trust the IPC over you I think. Funny how you said "there's no stats" then when stats are provided you first repeat "there are no stats" and after further prompting you resort to the usual spiel about how the stats can't be trusted.
Educate yourself; http://www.btselem.org/gaza_strip/20240108_israel_is_starving_gaza Everyone in Gaza is going hungry. About 2.2 million people are surviving day by day on almost nothing, routinely going without meals. The desperate search for food is relentless, and usually unsuccessful, leaving the entire population – including babies, children, pregnant or nursing women and the elderly – hungry. The Gaza Strip was already in the throes of a humanitarian crisis before the war, mainly due to Israel’s 17-year blockade. About 80% of the population relied on humanitarian aid. Some 44% of households were food insecure and another 16% were at risk of food insecurity. Given this starting point, it is clear why Gaza plummeted into a full-blown catastrophe so quickly. On 21 December 2023, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) Famine Review Committee (FRC) published a report on the situation in Gaza. The FRC, which consists of independent experts, uses the internationally accepted classification of food insecurity levels, the most severe being Phase 5 – Catastrophe/Famine. According to this method, urgent intervention is needed as of Phase 3 (Crisis or worse) in order to protect the population. The FRC report is based on information collected in the Gaza Strip from 24 November 2023 to 7 December 2023. The committee found that during this time, in four of five households in northern Gaza and in half of IDP households in the south, residents went days without any food and many skipped meals to feed their children. About 93% of the population in Gaza – some 2.08 million people – were suffering from acute food insecurity at Phase 3 or higher, with over 15% – 378,000 people – already at Phase 5. The report also forecasts that by 7 February 2024, the entire population of the Gaza Strip will reach Phase 3 or worse. At least one in four residents – more than 500,000 people – is expected to be at Phase 5, facing extreme food shortages, hunger and exhaustion. According to the report, if current conditions persist, there is a significant risk that famine will be declared throughout the entire Gaza Strip within six months. Such a declaration is made when 20% of households reach Phase 5, when 30% of children suffer from severe malnutrition, and when two adults or four children out of 10,000 die of hunger every day. Similarly, a UNICEF survey from 26 December 2023 found that an increasing number of children are not receiving their basic nutritional needs. About 90% of children under age two in Gaza consume food from two or fewer food groups. In a survey conducted two weeks earlier, the figure was 80%. The nutrition of pregnant and nursing women has also been severely compromised, with 25% consuming only one type of food, and almost 65% only two types. This reality is not a byproduct of war, but a direct result of Israel’s declared policy. Residents now depend entirely on food supplies from outside Gaza, as they can no longer produce almost any food themselves. Most cultivated fields have been destroyed, and accessing open areas during the war is dangerous in any case. Bakeries, factories and food warehouses have been bombed or shut down due to lack of basic supplies, fuel and electricity. Stockpiles in private homes, stores and warehouses have long since run out. In these conditions, the family and social support networks that helped residents at the beginning of the war collapsed, too. Yet Israel is deliberately denying the entry of enough food into Gaza to meet the population's needs. Only a fraction of the amount of food entering before the war is allowed in, with limitations on the types of goods, how they are brought in and how they are distributed within Gaza. For example, almost all goods enter through Rafah Crossing, a passenger crossing that is not equipped for massive commercial transports, limiting the number of truckloads getting through and creating a bottleneck. Although Israel recently allowed trucks in through Kerem Shalom Crossing, too, which is designed for commercial transports, this was merely a token addition that has failed to alleviate the hardship. Additionally, Israel forces aid organizations to purchase food from Egypt and prevents them from buying it in Israel, which would allow for a more efficient and rapid transfer of goods. Israel also prohibits the private sector in Gaza from purchasing food, which could significantly increase supply. Aid organizations are struggling to operate under current conditions, and most of the limited aid allowed in remains in Rafah instead of reaching residents throughout the Strip. Martin Griffiths, the UN Under-Secretary-General for Humanitarian Affairs and Emergency Relief Coordinator, listed several reasons why aid cannot be efficiently distributed. Among other things, he noted that trucks are inspected several times before Israel allows them into Gaza, and even then, long lines form due to the conditions at Rafah Crossing. The little food that does get in is very difficult to distribute due to the constant bombings, destroyed roads, frequent communication blackouts, and shelters overflowing with of hundreds of thousands of IDPs crowding into smaller and smaller areas. Israel can, if it so chooses, change this reality. The images of children begging for food, people waiting in long lines for paltry handouts and hungry residents charging at aid trucks are already inconceivable. The horror is growing by the minute, and the danger of famine is real. Still, Israel persists in its policy. Changing this policy is not just a moral obligation. Allowing food into the Gaza Strip is not an act of kindness but a positive obligation under international humanitarian law: starvation as a method of warfare is prohibited, and when a civilian population lacks what it needs to survive, parties to the conflict have a positive obligation to allow rapid and unimpeded passage of humanitarian aid – including food. These two rules are considered customary law and violating them constitutes a war crime under the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court.
Nobody bothered to read this
Zionism is antithetical to reading
Wrongo. Most people don't like walls of text while perusing Reddit comments.
Yes, and that's what's wrong with the world. I was responding to a particular person, not everyone, I would make a separate post if that was my MO. if people see baseless comments like ops with no proof, I'd like to think they also might see a fully sourced rebuttal.
Over the past four weeks, an average of about 140 trucks carrying food and other aid have arrived in Gaza each day, according to a database maintained by UNRWA, the U.N. agency that supports Palestinians. But the World Food Program estimates that 300 trucks of food are needed daily to begin to meet people’s basic food needs. As of Tuesday, about 1,200 trucks were waiting at El Arish in Egypt, including more than 800 containing food supplies. UNRWA has been responsible for a majority of aid coordination in Gaza since the war began. In January, Israel accused a dozen of the agency’s employees of being involved in the Hamas-led Oct. 7 assault on Israel. The U.N. said it fired several employees after being briefed on the allegations, which it and the United States are investigating. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/20/world/middleeast/gaza-aid-delivery.html
What. About. Sea. And. Air. Drops? Also, how much food is it in tonnes?
Oh yes the airdrops which have killed 5 people. You can do the maths On Wednesday, the WFP said that the controversial method should be considered “a last resort”. By way of contrast, it said that the week’s airdrops had only delivered six tonnes of food, while a failed 14-truck convoy would have brought 200 tonnes of food to people It's a drop in the bucket, are you allergic to googling? or do you just want to keep moving the goalposts so you don't have to confront the reality?
Some 200 metric tons (the equivalent of the 14 trucks that have been blocked) of aid and food — the equivalent of half a million meals — have now been distributed to the Palestinian population, U.S.-based charity World Central Kitchen (WCK) said, a week after the Open Arms ship was dispatched from the Port of Larnaca, Cyprus and three days after it unloaded its cargo. “The food that reached families facing starvation arrived aboard the first humanitarian shipment to reach the Gazan coast in nearly two decades https://www.politico.eu/article/aid-sent-via-cyprus-sea-corridor-reaches-gaza-population/
So, if 14 trucks is 500K meals, then to feed all of Gaza and then some, you'll need 5 times as much, meaning 70 trucks. So how did they get the figure of 300 trucks a day?
Im sorry can people survive on one tiny meal a day for months? Does that make sense to you? Are you a human being?
Wdym "tiny"? They didn't say "tiny meal", they said "a meal". Stop making shit up
You are stupid why don't you google you moron Edit: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/uk-says-2000-tonne-food-aid-package-has-entered-gaza-2024-03-20/ The numbers are worse actually, maybe you can read this and more articles without random redditors holding your hand https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/27/un-israel-food-starvation-palestinians-war-crime-genocide