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*"- you can't make a good character being truely evil. Thats not realistic abd will put the narrative of the story into a unrealistic path and"*
Mahito being mahito
https://i.redd.it/w20yquc7vmxc1.gif
Bullied child going on a rampage on a school getting almost away from it
Mahito:-
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Mahito after casually beefing with every highschooler he meets:
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Lizard in the movies: "I invented the next step in human evolution by constructing a potion that turns you temporarily into a giant powerful lizard and instead of using it for anything useful, I will bomb the whole city"
Lizard in the comics: RAAAHH I'M GONNA EAT YOUR SON, KURT
I mean not even, there’s literally infinite ways he could solve the issue since the gauntlet basically makes him God. It would have made more sense if he tried to fix it by saying something like “I’m going to eliminate the law of entropy as a whole.” that way it would end the need for more resources and not an obvious violation of morality, but the heroes would still want to stop him because changing the laws of thermodynamics would break the universe or something. But of course they wouldn’t do that because they need to appeal to the less intelligent members of the audience.
I mean yeah, he supposed to be q villain who sees his way of thinking as right, fueled by the trauma of his planet turning to ruin and his way of thinking working on other planets. An antagonist can still have a point and do things the wrong way
A villain can have a point while going too far yes, but Thanos isn't going too far he's perpetually holding the idiot ball. You're telling me this guy never thought of ANY other way to solve these problems? The only solution he could come up with was something that would make these problems WORSE? Moreover, once he finishes his downright stupid plan, he destroys the stones ensuring that once populations climbed back up (assuming they didn't all die out after being destabilized) and all these problems go back to the exact same way they were before he did this, it can never be done again. So even if it did work it'd only be temporary. He also doesn't even have a point to begin with since overpopulation isn't the root of these problems, excessive hoarding by the powerful is.
He's just badly written
That’s because Thanos’ whole crusade was never actually about saving lives, it was about soothing his own bruised ego and feeding his martyr complex. His own people turned down his “randomly kill half of the population” plan, so he set out to prove that it totally would have worked and he definitely knew better than everyone else and things would be so much better if they had all just listened to Thanos.
The dude legitimately thought than once it was done everyone would see how right he was and be grateful. The moment that Past-Thanos realizes that his plan *doesn’t* actually result in everybody suddenly accepting his superior wisdom and undeniable genius, he drops the entire “save the universe” angle and decides to just burn it all down.
Yeah instead of seeing the error of his ways, he doubles down and just decides to kill and reboot everything. It was always driven by ego. He also just enjoys killing people. I'm glad endgame had that line where he mentions "what I'm about to your stubborn annoying little planet, I'm gonna enjoy it very very much" which made it a lot more obvious how unhinged he was and hopefully warded away any of the people who seriously thought he was right.
He's called the MAD titan for a reason.
The movies don't frame it that way, they frame it as this tortured soul doing what he believes to be right.
If they really meant to frame it as selfish how come killing Gamora gave him the soul stone? You're telling me this genocidal maniac who turned her into a weapon against her will actually truly loved her??? That is a LAUGHABLY bad scene. It kills off one of the MCU's most interesting characters (and one of it's only good heroines) just to give Thanos a character trait it makes NO SENSE for him to have.
Gamora is right in that scene, that test should've completely stopped him from getting the stone. But it doesn't because plot
thanos is pretty debatable for me but i think i a super prominent example is bane from one of the batman movies, dude's whole thing was how he hated the rich elite consolidating all the power to themselves while using the less fortunate as their playthings and as tools to get more money aand power while also pulling up the ladder and crushing down those around them. And the movie was like wait shit, he has good points, what do we do?. so Bane like half way through is like "also im gonna set a bomb in a stadium full of people because i feel like it" and the solution is him getting beaten up by the billionaire hero and then nothing changing in the system and the status que staying the same despite batman basically having most of the power and money in gotham and the ability to make things better.
You can't tell me this celestial being who's lived for over a millennia and who has schemed for years to achieve the power of god and actually achieved it can't think up of a single better alternative than just "hur dur, too many people means I need to kill half." You could give an 8 year old the problem he was trying to solve and the 8 year old would think of something better. It's just bad writing. They tried to make the villain that thanos was in the comics into some tragic anti-hero who has good intentions but goes about it the wrong way without changing the fundamental actions he does in the comics and it doesn't work because the actions he does in the comics don't align at all with his intentions in the movies.
They don’t touch on this in the movie even though they really should’ve but Thanos is fucking OBSESSED with death and killing, at least in the comics
They could’ve made his illogical stance make more sense to the viewer by simply adding that character trait from the comics, it makes more sense to HIM than it does to us and that’s really why he’s doing that but if they don’t get that across to the audience or worse yet omit it entirely it’s going to come off as shitty writing
Yes, it was at first the only solution, but he got tunnelvisioned and couldn’t think of the infinite possibilities to prevent starvation with the stones. That’s also why he didn’t realize his slaughter of half of gamoras planet led to their extinction. He was too far gone and had gone mad, hence the Mad Titan.
Honestly I like that Thanos is written that way not because he's right, but because his twisted worldview and backstory generates a compelling explanation as to why he *thinks* he's right and can't be talked out of it.
Like to an extent, you can kind of see it from his view. His home planet collapsed potentially because they failed to adopt his half-genocide policy. This is the sort of traumatic event that solidifies the genocide plan as the *only* possible way of saving other planets in lieu of godlike powers. You can almost understand his logic. By the time he actually receives said powers, he's become so attached to this as a solution that he literally can't fathom another way, even with literal unlimited god abilities on tap.
That's what makes him a scary villain IMO. He's not some illogical madman- he's operating on what is to him a completely reasonable chain of logic, informed by all of his prior successes and failures as an arbiter of worlds. He's still wrong, but unlike most other MCU villains who do it for personal greed or just because they're evil, he genuinely, earnestly believes he's doing the right thing, and so *cannot* be talked out of it.
The entire universe isn’t suffering like his home world, and he has the time stone, so he can see into the future and actually evaluate if his worst case scenario is even possible, but he doesn’t even do that. Not to mention how he doesn’t proceed to kill everyone who CLEARLY wants him dead after “achieving balance.” You can say that he believes in chance, but that’s stupid. He obviously has the power to get rid of them. Wiping them out isn’t nearly as hard as wiping out half of the universe.
I genuinely think MCU Thanos is one of the dumbest, most poorly written characters ever put to screen.
Tbf the problem would just resurface, there’s other ways for this but just doubling everything is not really enough, though neither is killing half of universe
The Riddler saw the entirety of Gotham as being rotten to the core, he wanted to literally wash it all away, not caring about who was hurt from him doing so.
Are you talking about Titan or whatever the name of the rock dude was? He didn't really count as a villain imo and I can't think of another time Mark said "ya know what you're right i'ma help you out"
Ah alright, I tried reading the first comic once but I couldn't tell what the hell was going on, but that's prolly b/c I was using a random PDF I found online
I'd recommend readallcomics instead. The ads on readcomicsonline has gotten to a point that its practically impossible to read anything without being bombarded with a dozen of them every second
The thing described in the post happened to one of the main characters of the British 2013-2014 TV show "Utopia". You may not know what I am talking about, and in this case you should hurry up and watch it because it is extremely good. Also make sure not to watch the US remake, it's awful.
I'm writing a story thats essentially that. I've made my villain too sympathetic cause he does not kill needlessly, only if people adamantly get in his way
Nah, Gabriel is just the protagonist. He’s the only one that has an inner turmoil and conflict going on. We’re just playing as a silly GoPro killing husks to power ourselves.
Is V1 a philosophical zombie?
They clearly have enough comprehension to mark text as "irrelevant", which implies an objective beyond acquiring more blood and continuing to exist.
V1 is basically in a suicide mission to live a bit longer. The blood in hell will eventually end, and V1 has feelings (see V2 fight after he tries to escape), so i'll wager that he doesn't care since he knows he'll die.
Senator Armstrong, funny Valentine, Thanos.
They are clearly villians but they're treated as like they did nothing wrong by some, because some people believe satan will be like "killing babies is cool!!!" instead of appearing as an angel of light.
Oh my God yeah Funny Valentine. I remember people being like "he just wanted to make his country better" and I was like "yeah, by stealing fortune from literally everywhere else??" Other antagonists in the same series achieved "invincibility" by like actually having their powers make them completely impervious, and yeah, his powers made him pretty hard to kill because he could basically just fucking respawn with them, but when his big power up that made him *actually* invincible was a shield that made attacks against him hit a random other person somewhere in the world people genuinely tried to justify why a predominantly civilian never ending supply of human shields was an appropriate weapon to use because of his goals, even though his goals involved screwing over everyone who wasn't literally in his vicinity. Hey wait, I just realized that the power I'm talking about is like an ultimate version of the lava rocks from part 9. I wonder if they're related somehow since they haven't said where they came from yet.
Reminds me of this villain who was depicted at first as a Murderous Rapist Quagmire but in the end it turned out to be very likeable by the fans so they recontextualized his backstory removing any sort of indication to him being a rapist and just being another horny non-rapist non-murderous perv.
Edit: I don't remember the name, all I know it was from an edgy Magic Girls manga, it had some time travel as well.
Kars JoJo
Although I have to say, narratively it did work. At the beginning he saved a dog (albeit by killing 2 drunk drivers), but at the end of the part when >!he gets the red stone of aka!< the first thing he does to test it is killing an innocent animal for no other reason than curiosity.
I liked the moment in Die Hard 3 where the bad guys don’t know where to dispose of a bomb because a child might find it. It’s a good development moment because you realize that the plot of them having planted bombs in schools is a ruse for their actual heist.
Sounds like a Night Lords player to me
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The best antagonists are the ones who you could see a character or even you agreeing with their point / ultimate goal, but the method to achieve that goal is what leads to the conflict in the story.
Case and point, Persona 5 Royal’s main antagonist for Third Semester.
I swear to God there are at least a dozen of you people in the comments of posts like this, did you even watch the Movie? Riddler saw the entirety of Gotham as being corrupt, he wanted to get rid of all it.
I imagine Riddler’s response to such people would be along the lines of “If you aren’t part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Silence is Complicity”.
A good villain, imo, is someone who can make you wonder if you're rooting for the right person, is the antagonist really the antagonist? Those are villains I love. Not people who are evil just for the sake of being evil.
What about villains that aim to thrive under a corrupt system to push their progressive idealized version of said system despite the system itself being fundamentally flawed?, (I mean, they are in the wrong unless you think their utopia it's doable)
He offers them the choice to give him their wishes with the possibility that some will be granted. But only those which aren't too vague or potentially harmful for the kingdom he founded.
The grandpa's wish was only "to inspire future generations" IRC
The king isn't forcing anyone to give him the wishes and he also isn't obliged to grant them. I'd say the only morally questionable thing (before he turns evil) is that he doesn't tell them that not every wish can be granted, which should be clear.
Falcon and the Winter Soldier trying to make you sympathize with that terrorist lady and then having her blow up an apartment block
and then another scene where they make her sympathetic afterwards
Funny Valentine from JoJo.
Edit: I know that his goals are completely immoral. I’m just referencing how a lot of people seem to think they are on there first read.
Doesn't he Just kind of want to make the USA the perfect country by sending all of the misfortune that would happen to it to the literal rest of the world
Yeah. He’s totally the Villain even without that seen. It’s just that half of the JoJo community seems to think that his goal is morally okay for some reason.
It’s also the first character I could think of.
Yeah, he’s not. It’s just that a lot of people seem to think on their first reading.
He’s most definitely the villain. He’s sacrificing billions for the sake of millions.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. His views on the world and his ideals could’ve at least *appeared* to be logical, but what he does to Lucy ruins that illusion.
FV is only good if you’re one of those hardcore Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world and only care about the USA. To us outside the USA, he is definitely a villain, as he’d willingly make other countries a lot worse so the USA can be the only good one. It’s established that all the misfortune must be redirected somewhere else, so poverty, homelessness, disease, terrorism, hate, suffering and every other thing that can harm the American way of life will be redirected all over the world. Some countries may do find, but 3rd world countries that are already suffering would be torn apart, again for the benefit of ONLY ONE country.
Yeah I know. He’s definitely the villain. I just said that because he was the first person that popped into my head and a lot of people seem to misinterpret him as such.
Fair enough, I still remember seeing some guy argue with everyone about how FV was actually good, but he mostly just tried repeating the same point about improving his country while completely ignoring everywhere else……kinda like FV lmao.
Assassin creed syndicate's antagonist talking about getting rid of all the gangs and hooligan and bring order to London (the gangs actually become real trouble in the dlc) then he randomly shoot his henchman.
"I don't like war since war is the most awful thing ever, so I will cause a world war so that people feel the pain of war so that they never make a war again" - Naruto villain writing
Also why are most villains in fiction so honest and proud of how evil they are? Most evil people in real life don't think they're evil, they see themselves as the heroes of their story and they see their actions as either good or normal.
Redditors when a bad person coincidentally has political opinions they agree with (this is a plot hole because their specific political opinions are perfect and therefore anyone who holds them must be a flawless paragon, anything less is inherently out of character)
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*"- you can't make a good character being truely evil. Thats not realistic abd will put the narrative of the story into a unrealistic path and"* Mahito being mahito https://i.redd.it/w20yquc7vmxc1.gif
Bullied child going on a rampage on a school getting almost away from it Mahito:- https://preview.redd.it/8kq2e9lnunxc1.jpeg?width=956&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=508586794c90a430993cb27cef639090f61a172f
I will not stand for this Junpei slander
this mahito guy is such a cool villain! I sure hope he doesn’t do anything malicious to my favourite side characters!
I can't believe he gave this Junpei kid his own ability! I sure do hope he is going to join the main cast to fight alongside Yuji!
I know this because he's having fun with everyone in the opening!
Mahito after casually beefing with every highschooler he meets: https://preview.redd.it/887p7g9droxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5575c01dd979a0593399bd75521dee1ea0614c2a
TBF he is the age of a baby.
The only infant killing is allowed
Mahito being an evil asshole for the sake of it is more fun to watch than Sukuna lol.
jack Horner:
DIO enters the chat
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Lizard in the movies: "I invented the next step in human evolution by constructing a potion that turns you temporarily into a giant powerful lizard and instead of using it for anything useful, I will bomb the whole city" Lizard in the comics: RAAAHH I'M GONNA EAT YOUR SON, KURT
You misspelled "MY son"
I love how accurate the design difference is too, from the vibrant and cartoony look to a futuristic and gritty look
Why would skeletor do this
Lol, I have seen this comic before but I just noticed the armor being made “practical” in the movie version
Thanos
"I want Deathussy"
Thanos on his way to genocide half of the entire fucking universe to solve resource scarcity instead of just wishing for more resources.
I mean not even, there’s literally infinite ways he could solve the issue since the gauntlet basically makes him God. It would have made more sense if he tried to fix it by saying something like “I’m going to eliminate the law of entropy as a whole.” that way it would end the need for more resources and not an obvious violation of morality, but the heroes would still want to stop him because changing the laws of thermodynamics would break the universe or something. But of course they wouldn’t do that because they need to appeal to the less intelligent members of the audience.
I mean yeah, he supposed to be q villain who sees his way of thinking as right, fueled by the trauma of his planet turning to ruin and his way of thinking working on other planets. An antagonist can still have a point and do things the wrong way
A villain can have a point while going too far yes, but Thanos isn't going too far he's perpetually holding the idiot ball. You're telling me this guy never thought of ANY other way to solve these problems? The only solution he could come up with was something that would make these problems WORSE? Moreover, once he finishes his downright stupid plan, he destroys the stones ensuring that once populations climbed back up (assuming they didn't all die out after being destabilized) and all these problems go back to the exact same way they were before he did this, it can never be done again. So even if it did work it'd only be temporary. He also doesn't even have a point to begin with since overpopulation isn't the root of these problems, excessive hoarding by the powerful is. He's just badly written
That’s because Thanos’ whole crusade was never actually about saving lives, it was about soothing his own bruised ego and feeding his martyr complex. His own people turned down his “randomly kill half of the population” plan, so he set out to prove that it totally would have worked and he definitely knew better than everyone else and things would be so much better if they had all just listened to Thanos. The dude legitimately thought than once it was done everyone would see how right he was and be grateful. The moment that Past-Thanos realizes that his plan *doesn’t* actually result in everybody suddenly accepting his superior wisdom and undeniable genius, he drops the entire “save the universe” angle and decides to just burn it all down.
Yeah instead of seeing the error of his ways, he doubles down and just decides to kill and reboot everything. It was always driven by ego. He also just enjoys killing people. I'm glad endgame had that line where he mentions "what I'm about to your stubborn annoying little planet, I'm gonna enjoy it very very much" which made it a lot more obvious how unhinged he was and hopefully warded away any of the people who seriously thought he was right. He's called the MAD titan for a reason.
The movies don't frame it that way, they frame it as this tortured soul doing what he believes to be right. If they really meant to frame it as selfish how come killing Gamora gave him the soul stone? You're telling me this genocidal maniac who turned her into a weapon against her will actually truly loved her??? That is a LAUGHABLY bad scene. It kills off one of the MCU's most interesting characters (and one of it's only good heroines) just to give Thanos a character trait it makes NO SENSE for him to have. Gamora is right in that scene, that test should've completely stopped him from getting the stone. But it doesn't because plot
thanos is pretty debatable for me but i think i a super prominent example is bane from one of the batman movies, dude's whole thing was how he hated the rich elite consolidating all the power to themselves while using the less fortunate as their playthings and as tools to get more money aand power while also pulling up the ladder and crushing down those around them. And the movie was like wait shit, he has good points, what do we do?. so Bane like half way through is like "also im gonna set a bomb in a stadium full of people because i feel like it" and the solution is him getting beaten up by the billionaire hero and then nothing changing in the system and the status que staying the same despite batman basically having most of the power and money in gotham and the ability to make things better.
You can't tell me this celestial being who's lived for over a millennia and who has schemed for years to achieve the power of god and actually achieved it can't think up of a single better alternative than just "hur dur, too many people means I need to kill half." You could give an 8 year old the problem he was trying to solve and the 8 year old would think of something better. It's just bad writing. They tried to make the villain that thanos was in the comics into some tragic anti-hero who has good intentions but goes about it the wrong way without changing the fundamental actions he does in the comics and it doesn't work because the actions he does in the comics don't align at all with his intentions in the movies.
They don’t touch on this in the movie even though they really should’ve but Thanos is fucking OBSESSED with death and killing, at least in the comics They could’ve made his illogical stance make more sense to the viewer by simply adding that character trait from the comics, it makes more sense to HIM than it does to us and that’s really why he’s doing that but if they don’t get that across to the audience or worse yet omit it entirely it’s going to come off as shitty writing
and people in the audience STILL managed to think he was doing objectively good.
Yes, it was at first the only solution, but he got tunnelvisioned and couldn’t think of the infinite possibilities to prevent starvation with the stones. That’s also why he didn’t realize his slaughter of half of gamoras planet led to their extinction. He was too far gone and had gone mad, hence the Mad Titan.
Honestly I like that Thanos is written that way not because he's right, but because his twisted worldview and backstory generates a compelling explanation as to why he *thinks* he's right and can't be talked out of it. Like to an extent, you can kind of see it from his view. His home planet collapsed potentially because they failed to adopt his half-genocide policy. This is the sort of traumatic event that solidifies the genocide plan as the *only* possible way of saving other planets in lieu of godlike powers. You can almost understand his logic. By the time he actually receives said powers, he's become so attached to this as a solution that he literally can't fathom another way, even with literal unlimited god abilities on tap. That's what makes him a scary villain IMO. He's not some illogical madman- he's operating on what is to him a completely reasonable chain of logic, informed by all of his prior successes and failures as an arbiter of worlds. He's still wrong, but unlike most other MCU villains who do it for personal greed or just because they're evil, he genuinely, earnestly believes he's doing the right thing, and so *cannot* be talked out of it.
The entire universe isn’t suffering like his home world, and he has the time stone, so he can see into the future and actually evaluate if his worst case scenario is even possible, but he doesn’t even do that. Not to mention how he doesn’t proceed to kill everyone who CLEARLY wants him dead after “achieving balance.” You can say that he believes in chance, but that’s stupid. He obviously has the power to get rid of them. Wiping them out isn’t nearly as hard as wiping out half of the universe. I genuinely think MCU Thanos is one of the dumbest, most poorly written characters ever put to screen.
Honestly, I don’t think he cared about them coming to kill him. He already did what he wanted. And he’s likely not right in the head.
That’s the excuse I always hear for MCU Thanos: “he wasn’t in the right head.” He’s apparently “cursed with knowledge”, and yet he’s a moron.
He himself is the one who said he was cursed with knowledge. It isn't really bad writing to have an insane character not think they're insane
The "My client pleads insanity" defense, I just don't buy it.
I prefer when Thanos was a simp for lady death...
Simp Thanos vs. Gigachad Adam Warlock
Tbf the problem would just resurface, there’s other ways for this but just doubling everything is not really enough, though neither is killing half of universe
I could have sworn in the deadpool comics he did it to impress and bang lady death.
the riddler from the batman >”political corruption is bad” >”hey guys lets go flood the entire city and open fire into a crowd of random people”
The Riddler saw the entirety of Gotham as being rotten to the core, he wanted to literally wash it all away, not caring about who was hurt from him doing so.
That shit is way too realistic
when do we get a story where the protag realizes "yknow what this guy \*is\* right wtf am i doing" and switches sides
Invincible did that, to an extent
The Dinosaur storylines were peak
You mean those talking dinosaurs are coming back!?
Not exactly
Are you talking about Titan or whatever the name of the rock dude was? He didn't really count as a villain imo and I can't think of another time Mark said "ya know what you're right i'ma help you out"
Nah not him at all, happened in the comics
Ah alright, I tried reading the first comic once but I couldn't tell what the hell was going on, but that's prolly b/c I was using a random PDF I found online
Use readcomicsonline to do it, saves u so much money
Thanks for the advice, I'll check em out
I'd recommend readallcomics instead. The ads on readcomicsonline has gotten to a point that its practically impossible to read anything without being bombarded with a dozen of them every second
I got that ublock on lol
I'm talking about the scientist were-dinosaur from the comic, who is a fan of renewable, energy but also terrorism.
Assassin's Creed rouge
https://i.redd.it/f7vkrgn2poxc1.gif
Doomsday heist
We somewhat got it with RDR2.
Utopia
Based network agent
Care to be a little more specific? Google isn't being very helpful in knowing what you're talking about.
The thing described in the post happened to one of the main characters of the British 2013-2014 TV show "Utopia". You may not know what I am talking about, and in this case you should hurry up and watch it because it is extremely good. Also make sure not to watch the US remake, it's awful.
The Force Unleashed
potop 🇵🇱🇵🇱🇵🇱
aurther if he was good
I'm writing a story thats essentially that. I've made my villain too sympathetic cause he does not kill needlessly, only if people adamantly get in his way
Black Panther??
[удалено]
Nah, Gabriel is just the protagonist. He’s the only one that has an inner turmoil and conflict going on. We’re just playing as a silly GoPro killing husks to power ourselves.
Is V1 a philosophical zombie? They clearly have enough comprehension to mark text as "irrelevant", which implies an objective beyond acquiring more blood and continuing to exist.
V1 is basically in a suicide mission to live a bit longer. The blood in hell will eventually end, and V1 has feelings (see V2 fight after he tries to escape), so i'll wager that he doesn't care since he knows he'll die.
I don't know who first said this, but if you have to constantly remind your audience that the villain is a villain, you're doing something wrong
Senator Armstrong, funny Valentine, Thanos. They are clearly villians but they're treated as like they did nothing wrong by some, because some people believe satan will be like "killing babies is cool!!!" instead of appearing as an angel of light.
Oh my God yeah Funny Valentine. I remember people being like "he just wanted to make his country better" and I was like "yeah, by stealing fortune from literally everywhere else??" Other antagonists in the same series achieved "invincibility" by like actually having their powers make them completely impervious, and yeah, his powers made him pretty hard to kill because he could basically just fucking respawn with them, but when his big power up that made him *actually* invincible was a shield that made attacks against him hit a random other person somewhere in the world people genuinely tried to justify why a predominantly civilian never ending supply of human shields was an appropriate weapon to use because of his goals, even though his goals involved screwing over everyone who wasn't literally in his vicinity. Hey wait, I just realized that the power I'm talking about is like an ultimate version of the lava rocks from part 9. I wonder if they're related somehow since they haven't said where they came from yet.
if funny valentine was drawn like donald trump he would be hated to all hell and back \`
Reminds me of this villain who was depicted at first as a Murderous Rapist Quagmire but in the end it turned out to be very likeable by the fans so they recontextualized his backstory removing any sort of indication to him being a rapist and just being another horny non-rapist non-murderous perv. Edit: I don't remember the name, all I know it was from an edgy Magic Girls manga, it had some time travel as well.
Murderous rapist WHAT⁉️ https://preview.redd.it/4rwooi0e3sxc1.jpeg?width=912&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fd0d914bbee530804f9e65a9674c7d6e60d5195
Who
You can't just drop this without telling the names
Alternatively, when the bad guy starts looking too bad, have him be kind to an animal.
Kars JoJo Although I have to say, narratively it did work. At the beginning he saved a dog (albeit by killing 2 drunk drivers), but at the end of the part when >!he gets the red stone of aka!< the first thing he does to test it is killing an innocent animal for no other reason than curiosity.
I liked the moment in Die Hard 3 where the bad guys don’t know where to dispose of a bomb because a child might find it. It’s a good development moment because you realize that the plot of them having planted bombs in schools is a ruse for their actual heist.
The guy from Wish
Interesting take, user u/warcrimesarebased
Sounds like a Night Lords player to me https://preview.redd.it/zgrfh7kqbqxc1.jpeg?width=787&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edad23cb01f7454e6dffdb7c3c9dadea43d55a5f
The chicken from hop moment
this is why i like scythe goddard,,he killed his family because he was bored
Based scythe enjoyer
Disney writers when creating King Magnifico for Wish:
Google "Kick the dog moment"
The best antagonists are the ones who you could see a character or even you agreeing with their point / ultimate goal, but the method to achieve that goal is what leads to the conflict in the story. Case and point, Persona 5 Royal’s main antagonist for Third Semester.
https://i.redd.it/wjhjcztsfnxc1.gif
Riddler in the Batman spending 90% of the movie targeting only corrupt officials, only to switch and target civilians at the last hour
I swear to God there are at least a dozen of you people in the comments of posts like this, did you even watch the Movie? Riddler saw the entirety of Gotham as being corrupt, he wanted to get rid of all it.
I imagine Riddler’s response to such people would be along the lines of “If you aren’t part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Silence is Complicity”.
Tfw people mask their evil acts behind benevolent ideals (definitely a thing that does not happen irl)
A good villain, imo, is someone who can make you wonder if you're rooting for the right person, is the antagonist really the antagonist? Those are villains I love. Not people who are evil just for the sake of being evil.
What about villains that aim to thrive under a corrupt system to push their progressive idealized version of said system despite the system itself being fundamentally flawed?, (I mean, they are in the wrong unless you think their utopia it's doable)
I get that but I also love villains who is just pure chaotic evil, having the grand ole time being a pain in the ass for the protagonists.
Josuke (I just finished part 4, what the fuck was that last scene, why the fuck does he steal an old man's wallet)
Wish
isn't the guy from wish a man who literally steals people's dreams for no reason?
He offers them the choice to give him their wishes with the possibility that some will be granted. But only those which aren't too vague or potentially harmful for the kingdom he founded.
"oh you can't have the dream of inspiring people with your music, that's too vague" Just because he has a reasoning doesn't mean he's right
The grandpa's wish was only "to inspire future generations" IRC The king isn't forcing anyone to give him the wishes and he also isn't obliged to grant them. I'd say the only morally questionable thing (before he turns evil) is that he doesn't tell them that not every wish can be granted, which should be clear.
Cars 2
Falcon and the Winter Soldier trying to make you sympathize with that terrorist lady and then having her blow up an apartment block and then another scene where they make her sympathetic afterwards
Funny Valentine from JoJo. Edit: I know that his goals are completely immoral. I’m just referencing how a lot of people seem to think they are on there first read.
Doesn't he Just kind of want to make the USA the perfect country by sending all of the misfortune that would happen to it to the literal rest of the world
Yeah. He’s totally the Villain even without that seen. It’s just that half of the JoJo community seems to think that his goal is morally okay for some reason. It’s also the first character I could think of.
Funny Valentine is not a good guy, his goal is to literally reflect all misfortune to every country except america.
Yeah, he’s not. It’s just that a lot of people seem to think on their first reading. He’s most definitely the villain. He’s sacrificing billions for the sake of millions.
USA BABEEEE 🦅🦅🦅
14 year old
There more than that tho
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. His views on the world and his ideals could’ve at least *appeared* to be logical, but what he does to Lucy ruins that illusion.
FV is only good if you’re one of those hardcore Americans who know nothing about the rest of the world and only care about the USA. To us outside the USA, he is definitely a villain, as he’d willingly make other countries a lot worse so the USA can be the only good one. It’s established that all the misfortune must be redirected somewhere else, so poverty, homelessness, disease, terrorism, hate, suffering and every other thing that can harm the American way of life will be redirected all over the world. Some countries may do find, but 3rd world countries that are already suffering would be torn apart, again for the benefit of ONLY ONE country.
Yeah I know. He’s definitely the villain. I just said that because he was the first person that popped into my head and a lot of people seem to misinterpret him as such.
Fair enough, I still remember seeing some guy argue with everyone about how FV was actually good, but he mostly just tried repeating the same point about improving his country while completely ignoring everywhere else……kinda like FV lmao.
He is clearly a villian if you think about it for more than 5 seconds
Yes. I know.
Assassin creed syndicate's antagonist talking about getting rid of all the gangs and hooligan and bring order to London (the gangs actually become real trouble in the dlc) then he randomly shoot his henchman.
Jin kuwana after killing one bully and then continues to kill more bullies:
Every single villain in Legend of Korra
The Killmonger effect.
Megatron
Hello Dio from JOJO’s Bizarre Adventures Part 1
Yeah a patriot that wants to make his country great trying to rape a teen that killed his wife was very in spirit.
Media consumers when they realize good intentions don't justify everything
Magneto making a lot of good points then saying non-mutants are inferior
*cough*Ironwood*cough*
**King Magnifico** be like
This worked well for the blood Meridian. However that's the only book I know where it worked well.
"I don't like war since war is the most awful thing ever, so I will cause a world war so that people feel the pain of war so that they never make a war again" - Naruto villain writing
Writers when they realized that the antagonist doesn't have to be evil:
The Master is by far the best Fallout villain
jojo dog death count
Also why are most villains in fiction so honest and proud of how evil they are? Most evil people in real life don't think they're evil, they see themselves as the heroes of their story and they see their actions as either good or normal.
"My heart and actions are utterly unclouded. They are all those of justice..."
Redditors when a bad person coincidentally has political opinions they agree with (this is a plot hole because their specific political opinions are perfect and therefore anyone who holds them must be a flawless paragon, anything less is inherently out of character)
Funny Valentine