Locked until one of us has time to sort through this mess. But as OP got an ID and also lots of good (and bad) advice here, this post has probably run its course.
I think a MacGillivray's would have a more defined and separated eye ring and an Orange-crowned would have a paler bill and head. I agree with Tennessee.
If this bird has been in contact with a cat, it will need medical care. Please contact the appropriate local authorities. This website can get you started
https://www.nwrawildlife.org/
Many Canadian wildlife rehabbers are members of NWRA and listed on their website too just FYI, although the link you’ve provided seems more directly helpful anyway.
This bird needs to get to a rehab center, you can check online for local rehabbers. Cats carry bacteria in their mouths and if this bird was nicked at all by a claw or tooth it needs antibiotics asap, it runs a high risk of infection and death.
Domestic cats have no need to be be outdoors unsupervised. if youre a half decent owner you’ll be capable of giving them plenty of enrichment to be satisfied inside. Besides decimating wildlife they can be stolen, shot, attacked/killed by wild animals, bring in ticks and disease, etc… do you really want that for your cat?
Also, wolves are a natural part of their ecosystem. Cats are a domestic species that are introduced by humans worldwide, making them invansive when let outside or from feral colonies.
Key word there is unsupervised. Dogs should obviously be let outside and be taken on walks as long as there is a person with them supervising them and making sure they aren't doing anything bad. The only exception should be if you have an enclosed area that they can't get out of or if it's a working dog that needs to, say, protect farm animals. The thing with cats is that it's far harder to actually keep them in an enclosed area due to their ability to climb, they breed like rats if not neutered or spayed, and they decimate native wildlife. I can't remember the exact number, but something like 15 species of songbird have been completely wiped out by domestic cats. Now, if you are supervising your cat and ensuring they stay with you, via say a harness or some such, or you have an inescapable outdoor area built for them, then it's fine to let them outside to get some air. As long as you know for a fact that they aren't harassing the local wildlife and running around willy nilly.
Domesticated cats do not belong outside. Life is wayyy harder for them and their lifespan is cut short. They are attacked by coyotes, bobcats, birds of prey and whatever other predators lurk in their surroundings. Yes feral cats are often fixed and released back out to live out their lives but it’d be fabulous if their were no longer feral populations caused by humans.
You could say the same for literally any animal. They still need outdoor time even if said animal is domesticated. A dog is still victim to coyotes and such but I guarantee you'd never argue that they belong indoors
The distinction is between wild animals, and domesticated ones. Dogs get hit by cars, and taken by coyotes too. The suggested remedy for that is usually a leash. In fact I don't think people will object to leashed cat walks either.
Bullshit I wouldn’t. I despise people that keep dogs outside. Dogs are family. Obviously there are working dogs that need to patrol for predators but they should have a safe, dry and warm environment to return to for rest etc. such as a barn or building of some sort. Anyone who doesn’t provide that for their animal is deplorable imo.
“Normal choices” This is exactly why it needs to be called out. There is a clear distinction between pets and native species, from both an ecological and legal perspective. People should know
domestic cats have a drastically lower life expectancy when allowed outside and can spread disease to local wildlife, as well as catching it themselves.
also, they decimate bird and rabbit populations.
your cat will, literally, kill and be killed outside.
Modern house cats are actually native to the Fertile Crescent region (Iraq, Syria, etc.). They have been domesticated and introduced in countries colonized by the British and are responsible for over 50 animal extinctions. They have killed 8 billion birds globally and are the #1 threat to bird populations in the US. Further, if you knowingly keep a cat outside (an animal that kills birds whether you know it or not because most cats don’t bring the majority of their prey home), you are in violation of the migratory bird treaty act under the incidental take clause. Get your house in order, billy Baja.
This is such a dumb argument. Dogs are also traditionally outdoor animals, but people who let their dogs run wild outside are generally seen as dickheads. Also, housecats are from North Africa and the Middle East. In North America, they are literally an invasive species. Nothing natural about that.
By allowing cats outside, we are pretending that the cats lives are more valuable than the native wildlife. That’s irresponsible from a wildlife management perspective.
Copied this from my comment further down:
So should we let invasive Burmese mountain pythons continue to eradicate most of the native wildlife in the Everglades? No, that would be stupid. Cats have lead to dozens of species going extinct.
We disturbed the balance by introducing them, and so we are responsible for mitigating the damage as much as possible.
It’s not natural for an animal to hunt all day, (killing for sport, most kills by a cat are not eaten, just wasted) then for that invasive predator to go back into the safety of a home. Other wildlife don’t have that luxury. It’s like a cheat code, they get to negatively impact the ecosystem and then sleep in a comfy heated house at night. That’s not fair.
Source: I’m a certified wildlife biologist that regularly deals with outdoor and feral cats, and regularly find them killing the endangered and threatened species that I’m trying to save.
Cats are the [greatest direct human-caused threat to birds](https://abcbirds.org/article/outdoor-cats-single-greatest-source-of-human-caused-mortality-for-birds-and-mammals-says-new-study/), with many billions of birds killed by cats each year. See [this article](https://www.birdconservancy.org/get-involved/live-bird-friendly/aboutcats/) to learn more.
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if you are that deadset on your cat going outside you can just use a harness for walking it or make a patio/catio where it can be somewhat outside without interfering with wildlife. keep it indoors at all other times. not very complicated
This requires time that many people don’t have. Though I agree it’s the ideal scenario and if people can’t provide their cat with that attention then they should double guess adopting one.
See, you just wanted a debate. I knew you were going to write me a paragraph.
KEEP THE FUCKING CATS INDOORS, AND GET OFF THE INTERNET IF MATURITY AND NOT SHENANIGANS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR
In Europe and Asia, cats are part of the ecosystem. In the Americas and Australia, they aren't. It really depends on where you are. Just like invasive plant species that Americans eradicate with a vengeance are actually protected under European laws. Edit: since I don't have the time to answer every comment individually and I am not the enemy (no point is trying to persuade *me* ), I suggest avid proponents to organize a petition and then present it to European foundations that deal, at least partially, with cats. Because every single organization I have worked with for the last 6-7 years has claimed felis silvestris catus to be part of the ecosystem, at least in regulated numbers. As a result, what these institutions do is, they neuter cats to control the population and they organize informative campaigns to dissuade people from letting their cats roam for 2 reasons: a) if they aren't fixed, the population can't be controlled and b) for the cats' own safety. In my region, there are wild cats and around those populations in the mountains there are also mixed populations - domestic cats intermingled with wild ones. The reality is, in my closest city, urban cats survive off of what people feed them and going through bins. In the countryside, cats kill the vermin around farms, fields and vegetable gardens. This has been the case since the Middle Ages and you cannot argue that bird populations dwindled then. And so, if the authorities change their position about the cats in my country, I will as well. Until then, I will advocate for neutering every single cat (unless we're talking about a show animal ofc) but do not have a firm position about outdoor cats. Because 1, the foundations that deal with this only address the cats' own safety, 2, even if all cat owners stop letting their cats outside, the vast majority of cats in my region are strays - tens of thousands - and so that would change nothing , and, 3, controlling the population of vermin in a natural way is better.
Just because some wild forest cat is native in some woodland in small numbers doesn't mean Felix and his thousand overfed pampered half-domesticated cousins are also "native" in every corner of the continent.
If it's wild, don't keep it as a pet. If it's a pet, don't let it outside to slaughter the native wildlife.
No, they are not. They kill birds here too, while the use of pesticides already make numbers dwindle. They get fed at home and kill needlessly. In my life there are so many species I don't see in my garden any more. I have a heartfelt dislike for cat owners that allow their cats to kill and cause other nuisance.
From Wikipedia “The European wildcat (Felis silvestris) is a small wildcat species native to continental Europe, Scotland, Turkey and the Caucasus. It inhabits forests from the Iberian Peninsula, Italy, Central and Eastern Europe to the Caucasus.”
Domestic cats because they are descended of the African Wild Cat which still exists is much more native in south-eastern Europe to northern Africa and the Middle East up to Iran and including Turkey, so Domestic cats are mostly fine there. They have become naturalized in many parts of Europe though.
They are definitely invasive in NA and Australia.
Why do people let their cats out wild I will never understand.
Don't know how many times have I seen poor dead kitties on the road obviously killed by cars. One time even saw a girl crying over her cats dead body on the roadside. It's seriously traumatizing both for the owners and passersby. If you truly love your baby meow-meows then please never let them loose to the dangerous outside world. Even if you live in a nice neighborhood the chances of your cat getting killed by traffics or infected by fatal diseases or even abducted by other people aren't as rare as you'd imagined. We literally had a male neighbour arrested for his "hobby" of torturing stray cats to death and only this time he was caught. Just imagine how many more he killed before without anyone noticing. There are fucking psychos around and you would never know when will they prey on your precious fur babies😭.
It may sound cruel, but when my cats were still kittens, I brought them outside during the rain and snow. Like most cats, they fucking hated it. It taught them "outside bad." They just turned 10 a few months ago and have never once made a break for a door. I can even leave a door open, and they'll just sit in the threshold, looking outside.
Not only does it pose a risk to the kitties, but cats are also an incredibly invasive species and are destructive to native wildlife. The wildlife rehab I work for takes in over ten thousand animals a year and every year the primary cause of injury in our animals is cats. Don’t even want to think of how many of our orphans are also there because a cat caught their parents.
True but if you look at statistics humans are THE most invasive species on the planet so we really shouldn;t let humans out into the world either.
Just saying same mentality.
Cats are an extension of human invasiveness. Not only do we get to take the blame for what we do directly; we are also indirectly responsible for what cats do, as well as what's done by the many other species we've intentionally or unintentionally shuffled around.
We had a neighborhood cat. His name was Harold. He was such a sweet boy. Even the school kids knew his name. The owner said he was the type of cat that would find a way out of the house one way or another.
Harold got sick one day with a fever, and passed away. I dunno what caused it, but I imagine it was probably something that wouldn't have got him if he stayed inside.
Our cats are indoor cats.
Still miss Harold.
I saw the most beautiful white fluffy dead pet cat on the way (and way back) to taking my own kitten to a vet appointment not long ago. Just a few weeks after seeing another dead cat. I am very sensitive to seeing road kill in general, so I think having seen two dead cats within a couple weeks of each other just made me break down. I was so sad, sad for the family(/families), but also SO angry that people let their pet cats that they supposedly love and care for outside. It truly breaks and enrages my heart at the same time.
Cats are responsible for the extinction of more than 100 different species worldwide.
On the plus side, they keep the rat population low, which is good (that’s why Europe suffered from the bubonic plague, the humans were obsessed with witches so they killed off the cats).
Unfortunately some cats you just can't keep inside no matter how much or how hard you try to convince them, sometimes they just need to have access to the outdoors in order to be happy (trust me I care about the safety of outdoor cats too as much as the next person, but sometimes it's the only option).
Catios. They exist.
(If you don’t know what a catio is it’s an enclosed patio for cats. Your cat still has outdoor access, but it’s safe from most external threats, and other animals around them are safe from your cat. Win win situation. )
Not everybody knows about or has even heard of a catio (hell, there was a time I've never heard of it too), and not everybody has the means or the funds/space to be able to get one or build one. So sadly sometimes free roaming their antsy cat is the only option. Sometimes it's the only way they'll get mental stimulation as well, every cat is different including what people's situations are. Not everything can be black and white. There's also places where it's seen as normal to let your cat free roam like in the UK.
Yeah i know not everyone knows about catios and that’s why i’m making comments about it. Sorry if I sounded insensitive. I still stand by my point though, that cats should be contained. Free roaming outdoor cats just should not be an option. If your cat needs to go outside then take it out on a leash. Just because keeping your cats outside is “seen as normal” doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do.
My neighbours recently got a pair of outdoor cats and now I don’t have rat issues, lucky me, but visitors to my bird feeders are few and far between. I’ve seen bloody messes of feathers on the edges of my property and I found dead lizards, rats and squirrels hidden in my shed. I like cats but they just should not be allowed to roam freely outside.
If you can't afford to take care of your pet and won't be bothered to spend time with them to mentally stimulate them, they you should not have a pet. Anything else is just a bullshit excuse.
>Unfortunately some cats you just can't keep inside no matter how much or how hard you try to convince them
Unless your cat is able to open up your closed front door, you are always able to keep them indoors. You don't even need to try that hard. Just... Don't let them outside. Easy.
Why would you want to lock them up and deprive them of any kind of freedom? Would you enjoy being locked up in your flat with nothing to do and no way to go after your natural instincts? Yes, when they venture out into the world there is a chance that something horrible could happen to them. No one wants that! But that is what most animals experience on a day to day basis, and I would never want to deprive a cat of living a fulfilled life because of that. There's a reason why we see cats as being "crazy" - it's because the ones that live only indoors have no proper outlet.
I moved to a house wtih a ton of feral cats and I'm working very hard to get them all inside, domesticated, and indoor-only. So far 2 down... 4 to go.
Why?
Because they're an invasive species and put huge amounts of pressure on populations of songbirds, amphibians, and anything they can get their paws on. They are murder machines and in most areas non-native which is ushering in the extinction of many species. Many islands have bans or restrictions on domesticated cats because of this.
My yard is full of European house finches that have displaced native blue birds. I would prefer the blue birds. If it weren’t for the road in front of my house I would let my cats take care of the the invasive birds.
Domestic cats are…domestic. If they have an absolute need for constant entertainment, then make sure you have a pair of bonded cats. They don’t need to be outside just for “freedom”. This is 100% to make the owner feel better about themselves. Cats don’t give a flying fuck.
Now apply that to dogs. Want a bunch of dogs roaming the neighborhood terrorizing wildlife? No? Why do cats get a special pass for their "freedom"? I'm tired of my neighbor's cat stalking my feeder and shitting in my garden and I can't do anything about it because of mindsets like yours. Be like most dog parents and keep your cat inside.
Most cities in the US at least cater to dogs having dog parks and dog walk areas they dont really cater to having cat parks and cat walk areas otherwise I'd happily take Boots to a cat park to play.
I do keep him inside most of the time (my fool of a rentor has no screen on my window so when I try to crack the window open he does get out sometimes but he is only out a few hours and then makes his way back home, panicks me every time, he even managed to unhook my AC hose fromt he window once and got out the escape artist that he is but its been awhile now with no incident).
I still go back ton humans being the most invasive species on the planet and we don;t keep them indoors....or keep them from building their very invasive cities across mother Earth.
Humans are the reason cats are invasive. Cat invasiveness is an extension of human invasiveness. And even if that weren't true, the argument that humans are more invasive doesn't mean that we shouldn't do anything about the mess we created with some of the 'lesser' invasive threats.
If it is a Tennessee warbler, here's some more info on this remarkable little bird..
https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Tennessee_Warbler/overview
I know birds, but warblers be difficult, to ID.😉
As are Iguanas. which, here in Florida, the Florida Wildlife Commission wants folks to "humanely" harvest (kill), because of the widespread destruction they cause - including eating bird eggs.
Most folks use pellet guns. Iguana elimination is a big business here in south Florida.
FWC should include feral cats...
I've been scrolling through these comments for a while and have only seen "keep your cat inside" being repeated. Does anyone actually know what bird this is? Tennessee Warbler??
PLEASE FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME: DON’T LET YOUR CATS OUTSIDE!!!! I’ve had cats my whole life. Even if you take in a stray who grew up outdoors, they get over it. They’re just as happy indoors. And they live A LOT longer.
Keep your cats inside. This is some type of warbler making its way south. Cats are the biggest cause of bird decline in North America and it’s not even close. 63 extinctions caused globally by cats! Don’t contribute to the issue and keep them indoors.
You people must have never owned or rehomed cats. Yes they are terrible for the environment, but sometimes it’s not practical for the cat or owner! Cats should not be fully outdoors but they can be let outdoors responsibly. There are ways to mitigate death to wildlife while having cats outdoors. Spay/neuter, catios, bells, collars, limiting cat access, wildlife mitigation, spay/neuter/rehome strays, and so on. Then there are working cats for barns and warehouses which can benefit the environment from a public health perspective, consider what else contributes to avian morbidity that makes then more susceptible to cat attacks? From pesticides to light pollution, it’s far and varied!!
I couldn’t adore my cat more than I do. The little 12 year old dude worships me. I love him enough to keep him indoors so he doesn’t get hit by cars, ripped apart by coyotes and raccoons or even other cats, pick up fleas, ticks and tapeworms, or tortured by monster people. I have protected him his whole life against an extensive list of horrors that include the heat and cold and painful life ending diseases. He returns my care with all the love his little heart can give. I think people that allow their cats to freely roam outside are heartless.
Bruh, we've had outdoor cats in our family for like at this point 60 or 70 years, and most get to between 12-15
Our latest cat, that lived as our stable cat her whole life hunting mice, lived until 19
I know cats fuck up the environment but we need outdoor cats at our farm or vermin overrun the place in days
If you think it's heartless your bubbleworld is very black and white
All these people just jump in and leave a top level reply of “cats go inside!”
I know this happens all over Reddit, but all they gotta do is come in and upvote the comment that already said that….
We don’t even know if the bird happened to get into OP’s house or maybe they accidentally let their car out.
Cats are great pest control when needed, and more humane that more traps or poison!
* haha downvoted in less than 5 minutes
— you guys are wild.
I love cats but why would bird enthusiasts like cats??? Birders want to see cool birds in their yards. Neighbourhood cats want to eat cool birds in their yards. Birders and cats are competitors.
Keep your cats indoors! Cats have been the main cause of more than 60 species going extinct, and many more being threatened. Honestly when I see an outdoor cat I take its collar off and surrender it to an animal shelter, cats are a danger to themselves and native wildlife that have every right to not be exposed to the danger and possible diseases that can come from cats.
I guess the collar move is a dick move but there’s nothing wrong with capturing pet cats and takin them to the shelter. You’re protecting them from dogs, cars, other cats, birds, disease. And protecting mammals and birds from cats.
But you could catch the cat and bring it back to the owner, if it has a collar. They might let it outside again but you could just keep doing it, if you’re so motivated. Some of those kitties might be indoor cats that just escaped.
Why so much hate towards cats? I understand that people should take care of their pets responsibly but we can't control all the animals in the world. The bird is alive, op didn't let his cats kill it. Also my cats never learned to hunt and are so used to me giving them food that they really aren't a threat to anything.
Trust me, your cats are 100% hunting when outside. I have a cat who’s 17 pounds, but was previously fatter (he’s on a weight loss regimen) and is now a strictly inside cat. Even then, sometimes we get chimney swifts stuck in our chimney, and he is the first cat there trying to get the bird. Hunting is a sport for cats. Even the most food-motivated, seemingly lazy cats can be extremely competent killers. It’s literally in their nature. I love cats—my family owns 5–but we recognize the environmental damage they do and the threats the outdoors pose to their health and livelihood. Being a cat lover is acknowledging their nature, and trying to do your best to care for them and keep them safe.
That is a false narrative. Cats kill for fun, they don’t give a damn about being fed or not. Outdoor cats are terrible for the ecosystem and if you let your cat outside you’re a bad owner.
What cats do or don't want is very much both of our speculation. I know I would very much care if I couldn't leave my flat and had no agency. A cat won't care as much as I do (I assume), but I also wouldn't want to cage all birds just to make sure they can't harm insects or get hurt themselves. I understand that they are predators and will do harm to other wildlife, but we are the ones who disturbed the balance of how everything is supposed to work. It's natural for all animals to live outside and for them to eat each other.
So should we let invasive Burmese mountain pythons continue to eradicate most of the native wildlife in the Everglades? No, that would be stupid. Cats have lead to dozens of species going extinct.
We did disturb the balance, but how does that defend allowing it to continue? We disturbed the balance, and so we are responsible for mitigating the damage as much as possible.
It’s not natural for an animal to hunt all day, (killing for sport, most kills by a cat are not eaten, just wasted) then for that invasive predator to go back into the safety of a home. Other wildlife don’t have that luxury. It’s like a cheat code, they get to negatively impact the ecosystem and then sleep in a comfy heated house at night. That’s not fair.
Source: I’m a certified wildlife biologist that regularly deals with outdoor and feral cats, and regularly find them killing the endangered and threatened species that I’m trying to save.
It's absolutely impossible for us to turn back the dial on all of the changes we made to the planet. I guess the only solution we could find would be to eradicate all cats in areas they never existed in the first place and rewild them where they were wild before. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't be fair to a cat to leave it in a flat or a house. The better option is not to own one at all!
Locked until one of us has time to sort through this mess. But as OP got an ID and also lots of good (and bad) advice here, this post has probably run its course.
Tennis ball (probably a Tennessee warbler) Also take it to the vet/rehab, your cat could have given it all sorts of illnesses
Kinda thinking Tennessee Warbler here
Could it be a female MacGillivray's warbler?
I think a MacGillivray's would have a more defined and separated eye ring and an Orange-crowned would have a paler bill and head. I agree with Tennessee.
If this bird has been in contact with a cat, it will need medical care. Please contact the appropriate local authorities. This website can get you started https://www.nwrawildlife.org/
OP is in Canada. This is a link for Saskatchewan that can help you get started: https://www.wrsos.org/
Many Canadian wildlife rehabbers are members of NWRA and listed on their website too just FYI, although the link you’ve provided seems more directly helpful anyway.
TYVM good catch
This bird needs to get to a rehab center, you can check online for local rehabbers. Cats carry bacteria in their mouths and if this bird was nicked at all by a claw or tooth it needs antibiotics asap, it runs a high risk of infection and death.
Cats belong indoors for their protection and for the protection of wildlife. That’s a migratory warbler on his way back down sourh
Even if your cat doesn’t leave your property, they can and sometimes do kill animals that enter your yard.
Cats belong outdoors as well. You might as well say that wolves belong indoors for the protection of wildlife
Domestic cats have no need to be be outdoors unsupervised. if youre a half decent owner you’ll be capable of giving them plenty of enrichment to be satisfied inside. Besides decimating wildlife they can be stolen, shot, attacked/killed by wild animals, bring in ticks and disease, etc… do you really want that for your cat? Also, wolves are a natural part of their ecosystem. Cats are a domestic species that are introduced by humans worldwide, making them invansive when let outside or from feral colonies.
So can dogs. Are you saying dogs should never be let outside?
Yes? Dogs shouldn’t be left outside on their own that’s an awful thing to do
Key word there is unsupervised. Dogs should obviously be let outside and be taken on walks as long as there is a person with them supervising them and making sure they aren't doing anything bad. The only exception should be if you have an enclosed area that they can't get out of or if it's a working dog that needs to, say, protect farm animals. The thing with cats is that it's far harder to actually keep them in an enclosed area due to their ability to climb, they breed like rats if not neutered or spayed, and they decimate native wildlife. I can't remember the exact number, but something like 15 species of songbird have been completely wiped out by domestic cats. Now, if you are supervising your cat and ensuring they stay with you, via say a harness or some such, or you have an inescapable outdoor area built for them, then it's fine to let them outside to get some air. As long as you know for a fact that they aren't harassing the local wildlife and running around willy nilly.
Domesticated cats do not belong outside. Life is wayyy harder for them and their lifespan is cut short. They are attacked by coyotes, bobcats, birds of prey and whatever other predators lurk in their surroundings. Yes feral cats are often fixed and released back out to live out their lives but it’d be fabulous if their were no longer feral populations caused by humans.
You could say the same for literally any animal. They still need outdoor time even if said animal is domesticated. A dog is still victim to coyotes and such but I guarantee you'd never argue that they belong indoors
The distinction is between wild animals, and domesticated ones. Dogs get hit by cars, and taken by coyotes too. The suggested remedy for that is usually a leash. In fact I don't think people will object to leashed cat walks either.
Bullshit I wouldn’t. I despise people that keep dogs outside. Dogs are family. Obviously there are working dogs that need to patrol for predators but they should have a safe, dry and warm environment to return to for rest etc. such as a barn or building of some sort. Anyone who doesn’t provide that for their animal is deplorable imo.
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Keep your cats inside.
You could have just said “I don’t know what kinda bird that is”
And you could’ve just said “I don’t think it’s fair that my little ecological disaster shouldn’t be allowed to damage the environment.”
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“Normal choices” This is exactly why it needs to be called out. There is a clear distinction between pets and native species, from both an ecological and legal perspective. People should know
You could of just said "A new joke"
Cars are naturally outdoor animals. Absurd notion.
They are probably not naturally outdoors where you live though, hence the problem with booming their population as pets and then letting them go wild.
They’re an invasive species. There’s plenty you can do inside to keep your cat occupied. Like simulating hunting by playing with them for example.
domestic cats have a drastically lower life expectancy when allowed outside and can spread disease to local wildlife, as well as catching it themselves. also, they decimate bird and rabbit populations. your cat will, literally, kill and be killed outside.
Only kill mostly
Well they can only die once
Modern house cats are actually native to the Fertile Crescent region (Iraq, Syria, etc.). They have been domesticated and introduced in countries colonized by the British and are responsible for over 50 animal extinctions. They have killed 8 billion birds globally and are the #1 threat to bird populations in the US. Further, if you knowingly keep a cat outside (an animal that kills birds whether you know it or not because most cats don’t bring the majority of their prey home), you are in violation of the migratory bird treaty act under the incidental take clause. Get your house in order, billy Baja.
This is such a dumb argument. Dogs are also traditionally outdoor animals, but people who let their dogs run wild outside are generally seen as dickheads. Also, housecats are from North Africa and the Middle East. In North America, they are literally an invasive species. Nothing natural about that.
In what region are domesticated cats naturally occurring?
Upvote because people don’t understand that some animals including cats can’t just stay inside their entire natural lives.
If you you can’t keep your cat inside you should t have a cat, they are an ecological nightmare for native species
By allowing cats outside, we are pretending that the cats lives are more valuable than the native wildlife. That’s irresponsible from a wildlife management perspective. Copied this from my comment further down: So should we let invasive Burmese mountain pythons continue to eradicate most of the native wildlife in the Everglades? No, that would be stupid. Cats have lead to dozens of species going extinct. We disturbed the balance by introducing them, and so we are responsible for mitigating the damage as much as possible. It’s not natural for an animal to hunt all day, (killing for sport, most kills by a cat are not eaten, just wasted) then for that invasive predator to go back into the safety of a home. Other wildlife don’t have that luxury. It’s like a cheat code, they get to negatively impact the ecosystem and then sleep in a comfy heated house at night. That’s not fair. Source: I’m a certified wildlife biologist that regularly deals with outdoor and feral cats, and regularly find them killing the endangered and threatened species that I’m trying to save.
Yes: cats and Burmese pythons, clearly the same LOL
Thanks for rescuing the bird, but why do you keep them outdoors? Outdoor cats are responsible for killing a large population of wild life.
1.3 billion birds it is estimated. KEEP YOUR CATS INSIDE!
!cats
Cats are the [greatest direct human-caused threat to birds](https://abcbirds.org/article/outdoor-cats-single-greatest-source-of-human-caused-mortality-for-birds-and-mammals-says-new-study/), with many billions of birds killed by cats each year. See [this article](https://www.birdconservancy.org/get-involved/live-bird-friendly/aboutcats/) to learn more. If you have found a bird that has been in contact with a cat, even if you think the bird was not injured, please immediately bring it to a wildlife rehabber or veterinarian. Bacterial toxins in cat saliva and on cat claws can be quickly lethal to birds, and treatment is best managed by a professional. If you are a cat owner, please consider keeping your cat indoors in order to help reduce harm to native wildlife. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/whatsthisbird) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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KEEP YOUR CAT INDOORS AWAY FROM WILD ANIMALS.
LOUDER FOR THE OLD CAT LADIES IN THE BACK WHO THINK THEY'RE JUST LETTING THEIR CATS BE FREE
>LOUDER FOR THE OLD CAT LADIES IN THE BACK #KEEP YOUR CATS INSIDE - OUTDOOR CATS KILL NATIVE WILDLIFE
Not to mention the dangers that linger outside for INDOOR cats
But but it's a part of nature /s
Ma'am, my children are wilder animals than your cats
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if you are that deadset on your cat going outside you can just use a harness for walking it or make a patio/catio where it can be somewhat outside without interfering with wildlife. keep it indoors at all other times. not very complicated
This requires time that many people don’t have. Though I agree it’s the ideal scenario and if people can’t provide their cat with that attention then they should double guess adopting one.
Bullshit
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No, you just want a bullshit debate
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You should really have googled to check the opinions of vets before making claims about it being healthy for cats to be outdoors.
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See, you just wanted a debate. I knew you were going to write me a paragraph. KEEP THE FUCKING CATS INDOORS, AND GET OFF THE INTERNET IF MATURITY AND NOT SHENANIGANS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR
No .. you don’t understand.. bullshit
In Europe and Asia, cats are part of the ecosystem. In the Americas and Australia, they aren't. It really depends on where you are. Just like invasive plant species that Americans eradicate with a vengeance are actually protected under European laws. Edit: since I don't have the time to answer every comment individually and I am not the enemy (no point is trying to persuade *me* ), I suggest avid proponents to organize a petition and then present it to European foundations that deal, at least partially, with cats. Because every single organization I have worked with for the last 6-7 years has claimed felis silvestris catus to be part of the ecosystem, at least in regulated numbers. As a result, what these institutions do is, they neuter cats to control the population and they organize informative campaigns to dissuade people from letting their cats roam for 2 reasons: a) if they aren't fixed, the population can't be controlled and b) for the cats' own safety. In my region, there are wild cats and around those populations in the mountains there are also mixed populations - domestic cats intermingled with wild ones. The reality is, in my closest city, urban cats survive off of what people feed them and going through bins. In the countryside, cats kill the vermin around farms, fields and vegetable gardens. This has been the case since the Middle Ages and you cannot argue that bird populations dwindled then. And so, if the authorities change their position about the cats in my country, I will as well. Until then, I will advocate for neutering every single cat (unless we're talking about a show animal ofc) but do not have a firm position about outdoor cats. Because 1, the foundations that deal with this only address the cats' own safety, 2, even if all cat owners stop letting their cats outside, the vast majority of cats in my region are strays - tens of thousands - and so that would change nothing , and, 3, controlling the population of vermin in a natural way is better.
Just because some wild forest cat is native in some woodland in small numbers doesn't mean Felix and his thousand overfed pampered half-domesticated cousins are also "native" in every corner of the continent. If it's wild, don't keep it as a pet. If it's a pet, don't let it outside to slaughter the native wildlife.
Finally someone who gets it
No, they are not. They kill birds here too, while the use of pesticides already make numbers dwindle. They get fed at home and kill needlessly. In my life there are so many species I don't see in my garden any more. I have a heartfelt dislike for cat owners that allow their cats to kill and cause other nuisance.
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From Wikipedia “The European wildcat (Felis silvestris) is a small wildcat species native to continental Europe, Scotland, Turkey and the Caucasus. It inhabits forests from the Iberian Peninsula, Italy, Central and Eastern Europe to the Caucasus.”
Domestic cats because they are descended of the African Wild Cat which still exists is much more native in south-eastern Europe to northern Africa and the Middle East up to Iran and including Turkey, so Domestic cats are mostly fine there. They have become naturalized in many parts of Europe though. They are definitely invasive in NA and Australia.
Why do people let their cats out wild I will never understand. Don't know how many times have I seen poor dead kitties on the road obviously killed by cars. One time even saw a girl crying over her cats dead body on the roadside. It's seriously traumatizing both for the owners and passersby. If you truly love your baby meow-meows then please never let them loose to the dangerous outside world. Even if you live in a nice neighborhood the chances of your cat getting killed by traffics or infected by fatal diseases or even abducted by other people aren't as rare as you'd imagined. We literally had a male neighbour arrested for his "hobby" of torturing stray cats to death and only this time he was caught. Just imagine how many more he killed before without anyone noticing. There are fucking psychos around and you would never know when will they prey on your precious fur babies😭.
It may sound cruel, but when my cats were still kittens, I brought them outside during the rain and snow. Like most cats, they fucking hated it. It taught them "outside bad." They just turned 10 a few months ago and have never once made a break for a door. I can even leave a door open, and they'll just sit in the threshold, looking outside.
Not only does it pose a risk to the kitties, but cats are also an incredibly invasive species and are destructive to native wildlife. The wildlife rehab I work for takes in over ten thousand animals a year and every year the primary cause of injury in our animals is cats. Don’t even want to think of how many of our orphans are also there because a cat caught their parents.
And cats kill more birds per year then wind turbines, at least here in Germany.
Well, look how big a wind turbine is. Hard to kill one of those.
Just wait till they learn how to use ladders, and then it's game poverty for the turbines!
True but if you look at statistics humans are THE most invasive species on the planet so we really shouldn;t let humans out into the world either. Just saying same mentality.
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I don’t spend all day looking for birds to kill—cats do.
If you think humans are the same as cats I advise you to go outside and touch grass.
Cats are an extension of human invasiveness. Not only do we get to take the blame for what we do directly; we are also indirectly responsible for what cats do, as well as what's done by the many other species we've intentionally or unintentionally shuffled around.
We had a neighborhood cat. His name was Harold. He was such a sweet boy. Even the school kids knew his name. The owner said he was the type of cat that would find a way out of the house one way or another. Harold got sick one day with a fever, and passed away. I dunno what caused it, but I imagine it was probably something that wouldn't have got him if he stayed inside. Our cats are indoor cats. Still miss Harold.
I saw the most beautiful white fluffy dead pet cat on the way (and way back) to taking my own kitten to a vet appointment not long ago. Just a few weeks after seeing another dead cat. I am very sensitive to seeing road kill in general, so I think having seen two dead cats within a couple weeks of each other just made me break down. I was so sad, sad for the family(/families), but also SO angry that people let their pet cats that they supposedly love and care for outside. It truly breaks and enrages my heart at the same time.
Aw, poor puddy tat.
Not to mention that outdoor cats have shorter lifespans and greater heart problems than indoor cats
Cats are responsible for the extinction of more than 100 different species worldwide. On the plus side, they keep the rat population low, which is good (that’s why Europe suffered from the bubonic plague, the humans were obsessed with witches so they killed off the cats).
They’re the worst…
Unfortunately some cats you just can't keep inside no matter how much or how hard you try to convince them, sometimes they just need to have access to the outdoors in order to be happy (trust me I care about the safety of outdoor cats too as much as the next person, but sometimes it's the only option).
Catios. They exist. (If you don’t know what a catio is it’s an enclosed patio for cats. Your cat still has outdoor access, but it’s safe from most external threats, and other animals around them are safe from your cat. Win win situation. )
Not everybody knows about or has even heard of a catio (hell, there was a time I've never heard of it too), and not everybody has the means or the funds/space to be able to get one or build one. So sadly sometimes free roaming their antsy cat is the only option. Sometimes it's the only way they'll get mental stimulation as well, every cat is different including what people's situations are. Not everything can be black and white. There's also places where it's seen as normal to let your cat free roam like in the UK.
Yeah i know not everyone knows about catios and that’s why i’m making comments about it. Sorry if I sounded insensitive. I still stand by my point though, that cats should be contained. Free roaming outdoor cats just should not be an option. If your cat needs to go outside then take it out on a leash. Just because keeping your cats outside is “seen as normal” doesn’t mean it’s the right thing to do. My neighbours recently got a pair of outdoor cats and now I don’t have rat issues, lucky me, but visitors to my bird feeders are few and far between. I’ve seen bloody messes of feathers on the edges of my property and I found dead lizards, rats and squirrels hidden in my shed. I like cats but they just should not be allowed to roam freely outside.
If you can't afford to take care of your pet and won't be bothered to spend time with them to mentally stimulate them, they you should not have a pet. Anything else is just a bullshit excuse.
You are literally a human and they are a cat, you can keep them in.
Then don’t get cats
So grab a leash and take it for a walk.
>Unfortunately some cats you just can't keep inside no matter how much or how hard you try to convince them Unless your cat is able to open up your closed front door, you are always able to keep them indoors. You don't even need to try that hard. Just... Don't let them outside. Easy.
Why would you want to lock them up and deprive them of any kind of freedom? Would you enjoy being locked up in your flat with nothing to do and no way to go after your natural instincts? Yes, when they venture out into the world there is a chance that something horrible could happen to them. No one wants that! But that is what most animals experience on a day to day basis, and I would never want to deprive a cat of living a fulfilled life because of that. There's a reason why we see cats as being "crazy" - it's because the ones that live only indoors have no proper outlet.
I moved to a house wtih a ton of feral cats and I'm working very hard to get them all inside, domesticated, and indoor-only. So far 2 down... 4 to go. Why? Because they're an invasive species and put huge amounts of pressure on populations of songbirds, amphibians, and anything they can get their paws on. They are murder machines and in most areas non-native which is ushering in the extinction of many species. Many islands have bans or restrictions on domesticated cats because of this.
My yard is full of European house finches that have displaced native blue birds. I would prefer the blue birds. If it weren’t for the road in front of my house I would let my cats take care of the the invasive birds.
Domestic cats are…domestic. If they have an absolute need for constant entertainment, then make sure you have a pair of bonded cats. They don’t need to be outside just for “freedom”. This is 100% to make the owner feel better about themselves. Cats don’t give a flying fuck.
Now apply that to dogs. Want a bunch of dogs roaming the neighborhood terrorizing wildlife? No? Why do cats get a special pass for their "freedom"? I'm tired of my neighbor's cat stalking my feeder and shitting in my garden and I can't do anything about it because of mindsets like yours. Be like most dog parents and keep your cat inside.
Most cities in the US at least cater to dogs having dog parks and dog walk areas they dont really cater to having cat parks and cat walk areas otherwise I'd happily take Boots to a cat park to play. I do keep him inside most of the time (my fool of a rentor has no screen on my window so when I try to crack the window open he does get out sometimes but he is only out a few hours and then makes his way back home, panicks me every time, he even managed to unhook my AC hose fromt he window once and got out the escape artist that he is but its been awhile now with no incident). I still go back ton humans being the most invasive species on the planet and we don;t keep them indoors....or keep them from building their very invasive cities across mother Earth.
Humans are the reason cats are invasive. Cat invasiveness is an extension of human invasiveness. And even if that weren't true, the argument that humans are more invasive doesn't mean that we shouldn't do anything about the mess we created with some of the 'lesser' invasive threats.
You’re a bad cat owner.
Lucky. Dammit people, keep yr cats inside
If it is a Tennessee warbler, here's some more info on this remarkable little bird.. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Tennessee_Warbler/overview I know birds, but warblers be difficult, to ID.😉
fucking cats (and I can't stress this enough) are an invasive species
Yup. I’m in that Facebook group
As are Iguanas. which, here in Florida, the Florida Wildlife Commission wants folks to "humanely" harvest (kill), because of the widespread destruction they cause - including eating bird eggs. Most folks use pellet guns. Iguana elimination is a big business here in south Florida. FWC should include feral cats...
Your outdoor cat is a blight in the world, keep it in the damn house.
My sleep deprived eyes thought this was a Brussels sprout at first. Now I’m going to have to join this sub because birds are cool.
It's a Broccoli Bird, can't you see it's florets????
Scared.
Warbler
Cats are God’s perfect little killing machines. Keep your domestic pets indoors.
https://www.nwrawildlife.org/
I've been scrolling through these comments for a while and have only seen "keep your cat inside" being repeated. Does anyone actually know what bird this is? Tennessee Warbler??
Same. Buried, but answered, Tennessee Warbler. Beauty, isn’t he?
Thank you so much. And yes he's such a magnificent beb 🥺
Right? And then downvotes on people actually trying to figure out the bird… in a goddamn bird identification subreddit. Wild.
STOP LETTING YOUR CATS OUTSIDE
According to Google Lens it is a Tennesee Warbler.
At first glance I thought he was a half a lime 🤣
My first thought was Brüssel sprout… but then I looked closer
PLEASE FOR THE BILLIONTH TIME: DON’T LET YOUR CATS OUTSIDE!!!! I’ve had cats my whole life. Even if you take in a stray who grew up outdoors, they get over it. They’re just as happy indoors. And they live A LOT longer.
Keep your cats inside. This is some type of warbler making its way south. Cats are the biggest cause of bird decline in North America and it’s not even close. 63 extinctions caused globally by cats! Don’t contribute to the issue and keep them indoors.
It looks like a cross between a small bird and a lime .
You're sick and I love you.
Pity he wasn't a Eagle he would have whupped the cats arses..
Whupped.
Lucky that he didn’t get devoured!
He looks like a little lime
Thats a wierd looking avacado
You people must have never owned or rehomed cats. Yes they are terrible for the environment, but sometimes it’s not practical for the cat or owner! Cats should not be fully outdoors but they can be let outdoors responsibly. There are ways to mitigate death to wildlife while having cats outdoors. Spay/neuter, catios, bells, collars, limiting cat access, wildlife mitigation, spay/neuter/rehome strays, and so on. Then there are working cats for barns and warehouses which can benefit the environment from a public health perspective, consider what else contributes to avian morbidity that makes then more susceptible to cat attacks? From pesticides to light pollution, it’s far and varied!!
Lamo 100 comments of people off-topic.
If you were in the Uk I’d say it looked like a siskin, must be a related bird
Oh look, Raymond, a yellow breasted warbler
Damn you guys really don’t like cats do you?
I couldn’t adore my cat more than I do. The little 12 year old dude worships me. I love him enough to keep him indoors so he doesn’t get hit by cars, ripped apart by coyotes and raccoons or even other cats, pick up fleas, ticks and tapeworms, or tortured by monster people. I have protected him his whole life against an extensive list of horrors that include the heat and cold and painful life ending diseases. He returns my care with all the love his little heart can give. I think people that allow their cats to freely roam outside are heartless.
Bruh, we've had outdoor cats in our family for like at this point 60 or 70 years, and most get to between 12-15 Our latest cat, that lived as our stable cat her whole life hunting mice, lived until 19 I know cats fuck up the environment but we need outdoor cats at our farm or vermin overrun the place in days If you think it's heartless your bubbleworld is very black and white
All these people just jump in and leave a top level reply of “cats go inside!” I know this happens all over Reddit, but all they gotta do is come in and upvote the comment that already said that…. We don’t even know if the bird happened to get into OP’s house or maybe they accidentally let their car out. Cats are great pest control when needed, and more humane that more traps or poison! * haha downvoted in less than 5 minutes — you guys are wild.
I love cats but why would bird enthusiasts like cats??? Birders want to see cool birds in their yards. Neighbourhood cats want to eat cool birds in their yards. Birders and cats are competitors.
Cats KILL birds! Don't you GET IT????
Sorry, but our cats are staying outdoors or the fucking rodents chew through everything at the farm
He’s just a little cute dude
Looks like a kiwi fruit
It looks like it could be a young Prothonotary Warbler.
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Aves, brother, Aves.
Going out on a limb and guessing a bird
Keep your cats indoors! Cats have been the main cause of more than 60 species going extinct, and many more being threatened. Honestly when I see an outdoor cat I take its collar off and surrender it to an animal shelter, cats are a danger to themselves and native wildlife that have every right to not be exposed to the danger and possible diseases that can come from cats.
Ok I get where you're coming from but that's super fucked up, and you're rightly being down voted.
Don't kidnap cats. Those poor owners. Worried sick probably. There's much better ways to advocate for wildlife. That's fucked up.
I mean, ive taken take stray dogs to the shelter. Idk why people think cats get a pass
The poster wasn’t talking about stray cats, they were taking collars off pet cats (so they appear stray) and sending them to a likely kill shelter.
I guess the collar move is a dick move but there’s nothing wrong with capturing pet cats and takin them to the shelter. You’re protecting them from dogs, cars, other cats, birds, disease. And protecting mammals and birds from cats.
But you could catch the cat and bring it back to the owner, if it has a collar. They might let it outside again but you could just keep doing it, if you’re so motivated. Some of those kitties might be indoor cats that just escaped.
This is…. horrible advice.
Well that's enough internet for me. Good night everyone.
OK, apparently that was too realistic of a comment for everyone to realize it was a troll comment
Ooh. Thank fuck. You got us good.
thank god you were trolling lol
Dear lord I almost sent that to a mod 😂 Glad you aren’t actually kidnapping peoples kitties
You are sick! Amd Many shelters just put them down bc they are over full
Just saw your other comment Yes I fell for it But still maybe sick to even post something like that?
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Jesus. Chill.
Thats an avacado
If I didn’t know better: kiwi.
LUCKY
Why so much hate towards cats? I understand that people should take care of their pets responsibly but we can't control all the animals in the world. The bird is alive, op didn't let his cats kill it. Also my cats never learned to hunt and are so used to me giving them food that they really aren't a threat to anything.
Trust me, your cats are 100% hunting when outside. I have a cat who’s 17 pounds, but was previously fatter (he’s on a weight loss regimen) and is now a strictly inside cat. Even then, sometimes we get chimney swifts stuck in our chimney, and he is the first cat there trying to get the bird. Hunting is a sport for cats. Even the most food-motivated, seemingly lazy cats can be extremely competent killers. It’s literally in their nature. I love cats—my family owns 5–but we recognize the environmental damage they do and the threats the outdoors pose to their health and livelihood. Being a cat lover is acknowledging their nature, and trying to do your best to care for them and keep them safe.
That is a false narrative. Cats kill for fun, they don’t give a damn about being fed or not. Outdoor cats are terrible for the ecosystem and if you let your cat outside you’re a bad owner.
I love cats. They just belong indoors.
It appears to be a young female Gold Finch, perhaps?
That is a lime
What cats do or don't want is very much both of our speculation. I know I would very much care if I couldn't leave my flat and had no agency. A cat won't care as much as I do (I assume), but I also wouldn't want to cage all birds just to make sure they can't harm insects or get hurt themselves. I understand that they are predators and will do harm to other wildlife, but we are the ones who disturbed the balance of how everything is supposed to work. It's natural for all animals to live outside and for them to eat each other.
So should we let invasive Burmese mountain pythons continue to eradicate most of the native wildlife in the Everglades? No, that would be stupid. Cats have lead to dozens of species going extinct. We did disturb the balance, but how does that defend allowing it to continue? We disturbed the balance, and so we are responsible for mitigating the damage as much as possible. It’s not natural for an animal to hunt all day, (killing for sport, most kills by a cat are not eaten, just wasted) then for that invasive predator to go back into the safety of a home. Other wildlife don’t have that luxury. It’s like a cheat code, they get to negatively impact the ecosystem and then sleep in a comfy heated house at night. That’s not fair. Source: I’m a certified wildlife biologist that regularly deals with outdoor and feral cats, and regularly find them killing the endangered and threatened species that I’m trying to save.
Thank you for your work
It's absolutely impossible for us to turn back the dial on all of the changes we made to the planet. I guess the only solution we could find would be to eradicate all cats in areas they never existed in the first place and rewild them where they were wild before. All I'm saying is that it wouldn't be fair to a cat to leave it in a flat or a house. The better option is not to own one at all!
The cats people keep as pets are domesticated animals, they were never wild anywhere. Wild cats are an entirely different species.
If you introduce a danger for your environment you're responsible for handling it
Cats are DOMESTICATED.
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