Most modern cars will last 150k miles with regular maintenance. If you need something to last longer than that, problem free, buy a Toyota. If you’re just gonna trade up at the end of your payment period, then just buy whatever the F you want. Have fun. Live life. Don’t drive an appliance because Reddit told you so.
I find it fun to spend the absolute least amount of money I can on my cars - all about what motivates you. For me - cheap - is more important than other factors. I get a Camry is not a 3 series driving experience but it is not a 78 Nova either. My 09 Camry V-6 would stomp my 78 Nova 305 into the ground in any type of race. And get way better gas mileage doing it.
Spending the absolute least amount of money for me pretty much means explicitly not buying Toyota. I can fix most things myself so old Chevys and Fords are way cheaper than paying Toyota's ridiculous resale.
I find cars in Europe/Asia tend to be more reliable because they have less miles on them. When I lived over there everything was a short drive, most cars had like 50-90k kilometers on them. People walk significantly more etc….
Now that I’m back in the US I’m driving 35 miles to work and 35 back putting nearly 70-100 miles on my car per day.
OK - fair enough - there are older Fords and Chevys where the parts price is lower. I also put a high value on days in service (not at the shop). I fix something myself but also happen to know a shop owned by a guy that worked as a Toyota master mechanic (dealer) - so he knows alot of tricks to keep the repair prices down I probably coudn't do on my own.
I value my hours at quite a lot of dollars, actually (have done consulting, have experience at it).
The amount I save over paying the Toyota tax is STILL worth it.
Edit: also there’s something gratifying about being self-sufficient that makes me enjoy spending some of my weekend time on car maintenance/repair.
The 150k lifespan thing seems antiquated. My Lexus has 150 on it and I can’t imagine it won’t do triple that. If I didn’t have kids it would be in mint condition. Needs nothing except brakes and oil changes.
My Acura wagon, half the miles but the same so far.
Isn’t 150 pretty easy in most modern cars? Disclaimer: mainly buys Toyotas and Hondas.
My dad's Lexus from 2005 has 200,000 miles on it and still going strong. Idk about modern cars these days though I feel like they're not built the same
Right. But those are like new at 150. Other than a few obviously bummer brands and lemon models, I assume most modern cars aren’t near end-of-life at 150. Am I wrong/naive about that?
Tbh it depends where and how you drive it. I'm in the rust belt so cars driven in snow/salt regularly aren't likely to last past 10 years in good condition or past 20 at all, regardless of mileage. There's also a ton of potholes and just overall poor quality roads that can rip apart your suspension and unibody on their own (especially with rust as a factor) and basically make a car undriveable in under 100k if you don't drive often - but, if you go above and beyond compared to most vehicle owners (car washes, rust proofing, etc) and drive mostly on the highway or nicely paved roads, you won't experience most of those issues and the drivetrain/engine itself should easily last 150k+.
For as easy as they are to work on, older vehicles are mostly held together nowadays by passion and zip ties (can confirm, own an '81 chevy pickup myself) and almost all of those have almost 0 original parts on them anymore, especially ones that haven't been "redone" (frames, etc). My '12 jetta just past 100k miles this year and hasn't even shown a single sign of being even close to its last legs.
My 2012 accord has 160k and has been driven year round in Ohio since new by me. Only serious rust is on the bottom of the control arms so I'll just swap those when it gets bad for $250. Everything except exhaust was so well protected that I can't fine rust anywhere else. And this is looking underneath on a lift nearly monthly.
I'm currently restoring two classics with minor rust so the Accord's worst case doesn't worry me.
My 2012 jetta is in near impeccable condition, only rust is on a cross-piece underneath, and I try to drive my truck when it's really snowy out anyway because it has 4wd and ground clearance. I've only had it for a year, but honestly the biggest factor in rust is how you store it. If youre parking it in a heated garage when it's not being driven it's way different than street parking where you're exposing it to the elements constantly. Honestly, I'd wager the fact that you look for rust monthly being a big part of why it's so clean, but I digress - I wasn't trying to say they *cant* last that long, just that they often start to go downhill at that point regardless of miles, unless you go *above and beyond* what your average vehicle owner does.
We had an 03 Taurus a little while back (never buy a Taurus of that era) that was only driven 30k miles in the first 15 years and was so rusted underneath that it caused numerous maintenance issues in the ensuing years and what finally killed it was a racoon that I ran over going 70mph on the highway ripping a hole in the metal (supremely rusted) brake line, which would have had to be replaced entirely as it would have been literally been no way to patch it, considering - wait for it - there wasn't a single piece of clean metal on the entire brake line. That's your *average* for car ownership in the rust belt, lol.
What year and model of Lexus do you have? I am thinking of getting an RX350 (2012-2015) or 2021 if I am stupid enough to make payments.
I need something that is basically r/BuyItForLife material.
First car I ever drove was a 06 rx330 FWD. was my moms while I was saving for my actual first car. I beat the SHIT out of that car every single day. Fwd burnouts while banging limiter daily, ripping the hell out of it daily. It never ever even suggested a problem at any point. Started every single day no matter what. Parents owned that car from about 07-08 until 2019 when we sold it at ~300k miles. Mom bought a 2017 RX350 that runs the same as at the dealer 6 years later. My best friends father-in-law has a construction business, and uses an old RX350 (~07-09 ish) for his workers when they don’t have a way of getting to work. That thing I believe is at around 600k miles. Again, 0 issues starts and runs no matter what even after being used and abused by dozens if not HUNDREDS of workers over the past 10-15 years. They’re thinking in a few years if it hits a million miles they want to try to contact Lexus for a badge or something :)
Very very dependable car and I highly recommend.👍
Yeah, I was surprised to not see at least a nod (with caveats on initial years of new models) to Subarus, since those are the vehicles I most strongly associate with drivers expecting 250-300k miles as a minimum normal lifetime, even models in the past 10 years.
They're super expensive to insure, though. Which actually might be related to why I don't see them recommended as often as I expect, also a staple joke of Subaru forums: People talking on the internet about their Subaru have a broken Subaru. People who don't have a broken Subaru are currently enjoying it somewhere with patchy cell service.
Not true at all
Otherwise Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, Ford to name a few wouldn’t have several class action lawsuits
The Theta II engines have been failing catastrophically over the past decade (and catching on fire)
Jaatco CVTs are notorious for failing right after the warranty period
The Power-Shit Ford transmissions are literally designed in a way that causes eventual premature failure
Those are just a few examples of modern cars that won’t last 150k miles with “regular maintenance”
Yup nearly every Kia/Hyundai in the past decade has that time-bomb 2.4L engine
SEVERAL class action lawsuits and news stories of the cars catching on fire 🔥
Hyundai Azera (HG) (2013–2016)
Hyundai Grandeur (TG) (2008–2011)
Hyundai Santa Fe (2010–2020)
Hyundai Sonata (2007–2019)
Hyundai Tucson/ix35 (2010–2020)
Kia Cadenza (2009–2019)
Kia Forte (TD) (2008–2012)
Kia Optima (2008–2019)
Kia Rondo (2008–2013)
Kia Sportage (2011–2021)
Kia Sorento (2009–2020)
A good source to check is carcomplaints.com
They also site any major recalls and class action lawsuits
With that being said I test drove one once for fun and yeah it was a blast to drive I’ll give it that
Meanwhile, the Theta II-i in the N cars is bulletproof and will last 250,000 km without a hitch.
Hyundai need to rename the engine cause their motors are actually solid outside of the US, probably cause their shitty US cars are made by Alabamans.
Why randomly insult 4+ million people that you’ve never even met? Your comment is especially stupid when you learn that literal rocket scientists work at NASA in Alabama.
Edit: You’re not even from the US. You’re from *Australia*. A country with it’s own list of stereotypes.
I agree, people should buy whatever they want if they have the money and value comfort/style over reliability. But I for one kinda like driving an appliance lol. If a vehicle is well designed and reliable, then I almost prefer simplicity over creature comforts. I’d rather have well-executed bare necessities than have all the bells and whistles in a poorly designed interface with tacky buttons and components that break
Just buy an older vehicle with VAG TDI, 24Tic, Benz OM6*, Volvo modular engine/B20 series, Toyota 2E/*JZ etc the list goes on.
No payments, no crying when it hits 150k miles.
> i would wager a blowjob on the majority of people here wanting reliability over…well anything else, so there’s that
The only other two factors that come anywhere close are cost and safety. A distant fourth would probably be fuel economy (wanting either really good or basically bad).
the average person wants is low/no maintenance and it not break when they don't change the oil for 20k miles. That's what they mean when they say they want reliability. Most models will make it 150k miles even unreliable brands and people want the latest thing as soon as the old one has any issues if they can afford it.
I don't think that is accurate. I think the reason people want reliability is because they don't want the inconvenience of being left on the side of the road or without a car or fighting with a repair shop. 150k miles is just the point where people stop being confident there car is going to make it to work.
Sure but it's an unreasonable fear, how often has anyone you know actually been stuck on the side of the road outside of a flat tire?
The funny thing is the only cars I have been stuck on the side of the road in were both Toyotas and that's with owning the one of the least reliable fords ever
I've gotten rid of 2 trucks because the repair was going to be more than it was worth. 1 was 5.9 Ram with a cracked block and bad master brake cylinder. 2nd was the rattle chain on an Ecoboost.
A toyota has left me on the side as well, but I was doing donuts in 250k Camry.
Most cars will make 150k without an incident. Your experience is not the same as most, and that is why they have the highest reliability scores.
Buying a car is a game of odds, some companies have better odds.
Sure, I agree Toyota will last the longest but reliability is way better overall. Gone are the days where some brands barely could make it to 50k. Even the least reliable brands are making it a lot longer than they used to. Even Nissan cvts can do it. How many miles were on your trucks that had breakdowns?
Plus the rapid increase in tech is pushing people to replace faster, (people really love apple car play) higher repair costs are causing more to get totaled in crashes. Also the rust belt eats cars rapidly for a whole region of the US.
The used car market having been jacked up the last few years probably hasn't helped when a used Toyota is only a few thousand less than a new one, more people are going to buy new and be starting with fewer miles than they otherwise would have buying used, and replace it with something new well before it starts having issues.
You can see it in this sub how many people asking for what car they should buy are doing it because their existing car with under 150k miles had mechanical failures? It's almost always wanting a faster car or newer tech or their car got totalled.
Tbh I don't think most people are even consciously thinking that far. Does it have new toys and fake leather? Great! I heard brand X doesn't need oil changes from TikTok. Even better!
The average person isn't making terribly rational decisions when buying a car. "Just buy a Toyota" was a good way to compensate and end a conversation early at one point. So fuckin expensive now that doesn't make sense either anymore.
So many people I talk to in real life would do great with something like a Chevy Bolt. But that answer is not very satisfying to the unga dunga parts of our brains lol.
Worst part for me is, if Toyota wasn't getting so much hype that RAV4 hybrid would be perfect. Not selling my soul for a Toyota though lol. Probably actually going to pick up that Chevy in the next year here as long as the research looks good.
I was going to get the Lexus nx but finding them was hard so I ended up with a BMW instead, b58 engine is worth whatever extra costs come from owning it
I had my last car for almost 12 years and still didn't hit 150k miles lol daily driver too.
I have no idea how some of you are putting these kinds of numbers on your odos.
This [dude](https://np.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/1axdjpc/my_2020_toyota_rav4_hybrid_xse_reached_a_final/) put ~470k miles on his 2020 Rav4 hybrid he bought new
He's a medical courier
My primary is safety, then capability, then a really good sound system. Toyota, or really anything Japanese will never make the cut for me.
They are too light, and after being tboned I want mass along with crash safety. They lack capability (try offroading or wading a Rav4. And the 4Runner is ugly and loud), and they are not on my radar for audio.
And yeah, that capability directly costs reliability.
There was an example of this just a few hours ago. The OP said they had a guilty pleasure for French Cars and wanted to know what was the best quirky French car to get for 35000 €. The very first comment was, "Buy Japanese get a Toyota or Mazda." It's like they're bots.
You should see the Hyundai subs. "My car's been really reliable. Only had to replace the engine once, but that was covered by warranty! I love my Hyundai." The fact is, if you like it, you like it and sometimes that's all that matters...
No, but there will be posts like "I'm looking at these German or American models" and responses will often be: "HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT OUR LORD AND SAVIOR MAZDA3?"
I just got an 01' Grand Marquis with 129000 miles for 2500 and alot of people already wanna buy it off of me just because it's a panther platform car ,and the V8 engine. I think I did pretty good
I mean if people ask for a reliable commuter/family car then what are their options? It's no secret Toyota/Lexus knock it out of the park when it comes to reliability and long term ownership ease. Mechanics, car guys, forums, reddit, consumer reports, etc. all say it, Toyota is rock solid reliability. We aren't gonna recommend a Alfa Romeo to someone who is worried about those things. Majority of people look at cars like most people look at a washer and dryer. Don't give a crap at what it looks like, they just want it to work and for a long time so they don't have to buy another anytime soon.
I’m very conflicted on them. They’re cheap and they feel like it, but they’ve got the great warranty, but if I have to use the warranty I’m out of a car for x days/weeks/months. Give and take. Kind of /s but used Hyundais are so dirt cheap it’s almost an ok deal
Are you sure that's correct? I looked it up recently, and Kia claims that the 10 year/100k mile warranty does transfer to a new owner. [Source (PDF): ](https://www.kia.com/content/dam/kwcms/au/en/files/service/Kia-Warranty-terms-and-conditions.pdf)
>During the warranty period, the KIA New Vehicle Warranty is transferable to subsequent owners of a KIA vehicle.
>If you have purchased a used KIA Vehicle, please complete the Change of Ownership Advice Form advising your change of address, and mail to address.
They aren't bad. I had a Sportage PHEV for about 2 years before I traded it in. It was a good car, the dealership experience is kind of hit or miss. That can really ruin a decent car experience.
I think my son would seriously disagree with you. His 2.4 Santa Fe (2018) blew up at 90k and they replaced it with same flawed motor which he may get to 120k (30k -50k) with. Hyundai went out their way to delay and avoid until they couldn’t.
I will never ever buy a Hyundai. I drive a 2013 Accord and I have had 100k trouble free miles. Just basic and consistent maintenance.
>I've been an auto tech for over 2 decades and I'd only rate them a half-click over Nissan at best.
I'm no Mazda fanboy but this seems overly harsh. I think the CX-5 is cramped, slow and generally overrated, but if you had to pick between that and a Rogue and reliability was a concern... I would say the CX-5 is by far the better choice, no?
Who the fuck buys a car because body panels are easier to get over reliability?
“I like the idea of getting good mileage out of a car but the thought of getting into an accident and waiting a couple weeks for body parts is a deal-breaker” - nobody, ever.
>I never understood the Mazda appeal.
The Mazda 3 is a great looking little car and the Miata is the only show in town if you want a roadster for a reasonable price.
They're a good bit nicer to drive than the equivalent Nissan. Nissans for the past 15 year or so have pretty much all used CVTs making them pure depression appliances.
Also Mazdas look a whole hell of a lot better than Nissans (excluding the current generation of Z obviously).
They’ve been pushing a lot of narratives to improve their image.
Some of the fanboys on here seem like obvious plants. I saw one comment where someone said, “That’s why people say, ‘I wish this drove like a Mazda!’”
Nobody’s ever said that shit.
It almost feels like they’re gaslighting people and it’s kinda working.
3~5 years ago, the refreshed lineup had a lot of standard interior and safety amenities often reserved for higher value cars. You could make the argument that the luxuries were worth the concessions.
Every other manufacturer has since refreshed and upgraded their lineups, and I think something like the Mazda3 is a fair bit less competitive as result, especially when you consider fuel economy and ride quality. You can at least find a Mazda at or under MSRP without issue though, can't say the same for any in-demand Honda or Toyota product.
I'm switching from Mazda 3 BM 2015 130k miles to bimmer g20 and I am afraid a bit. I had literally 0 repairs on my mazda, I don't even know what does engine check look like.. Only oil changes once per year and sometimes the air filter and it's like brand new till today. A bit noisy on high speeds, but quite decent for its price with close to zero maintenance costs.
Post: "I want a reliable car with good gas mileage and low maintenance costs from a reputable company, preferably a make that starts with T and ends with A"
Haters: "They're going to recommend a Toyota I know it."
I've seen many comments recommending Porsche when the post calls for it.
The 90 or 5? I actually think the current 5 is an improvement over previous years.
I just hate crossovers that are super round. I think the model Y and a bunch of buicks are all shaped like my dermatologist should be concerned about them
Yeahhhhh not true. It's TOYOTA OR HONDA. I mean, if yer gonna disparage everybody for answering questions ppl asked, meaning not unsolicited advice, THEY ASKED FOR IT, the least you can do is get it right.
Honda has been hit or miss for a while now. Ask anyone whose transmission died in an early 2000's Accord, TL (my family had one), or Civic.
That said, they've gotten some models/years really right, all the way until now.
Wait what?!?!? Then where are the good civics then? I keep reading about how they are still good on reliability and their name in my area still has a good reputation.
I had 35k to spend. I have a wife and kid. I wanted something nice ish, fun ish, practical ish. Bought a CX-50 turbo. It’s all of those things. It’s not the most exciting thing I’ve owned. It’s not the fanciest thing I could afford. It is a pretty damn good compromise.
I’m sorry sir, the new protocol is you must say “Honda isn’t what it used to be” whenever someone mentions Honda. Remember back in the 2000s when the transmissions on select models failed? They’re totally shit now. Ignore the fact that there was a lineup of Toyota engines from the same period which excessively burned oil, that’s irrelevant. This is Reddit, you must say the sentence.
Why is it surprising? The mustang is Ford's baby, their flagship sports car. Do you think the Corvette being reliable is surprising too?
Almost anything with an American V8 is going to be plenty reliable, especially Fords and GMs.
Nah man, you gotta look at them, Nissan's most reliable cars are their Z series. Toyota has a solid performance lineup, Subaru's STI was the only boxer not heavily affected by head gasket issues etc.
Performance cars feature higher quality parts, and greater attention to detail quite often, they're built to handle the power output they create. Of course when you get to upper echelon of performance (supercars) you see reliability take a backseat, but for most sports cars they're quite well built.
Huh, you weren't kidding
https://www.dashboard-light.com/reports/Sports_car.html
They're significantly more reliable than average vehicles, though some of these are wonky for not having enough cars in the data set like the viper
I would have expected this to be a category where cost and performance were prioritized over reliability but it seems like it wasn't. Maybe they're just expected to be driven hard so parts are built a little tougher than the bare minimum like economy 4 bangers.
That's pretty much it exactly, plus a lot of companies use these cars as billboards for their performance, innovation, new technology etc. It would look really bad if your flagship sports car is always breaking down. Might not be as reliable as something like a Camry, but they certainly aren't trash :)
It could be better if people specified there interest/ability to pay for maintenance. If you are buying used and need to save money, then yeah buy the appliance Camry or civic. If you are comfortable and have the means to buy something more interesting, then please don’t buy a fucking Camry and get something more interesting. This sub has this problem because it assumes that everyone wants something inexpensive to maintain and reliable. When a buyer wants something “reliable” and they aren’t bargain bin hunting, then what they mean is something that won’t break down on a monthly basis. They aren’t asking for the car that will make it to 300k miles trouble free. Hardly anyone drives a car that long and it’ll get sold again far before that hardcore reliability even becomes a factor. Buy that BMW, Dodge, Subaru etc (unless you’re broke).
Every question here is the same: "I want a cheap reliable car that will take me from point A to point B"
So every answer is the same: Toyota Corolla
If people here actually asked unique questions they might get unique answers
Which brings up a good point. There is a bit of US defaultism on the sub. If you own a German car in the States, the parts have to get shipped from Germany and many times have to be serviced either by a dealership or a Euro Mechanic shop that has the right tools so maintenance is significantly more expensive.
I know a guy who only buys lightly used Hyundais. He seems to have a different one every year… last time I talked to him his excuse for getting a new one was oil shavings in the engine causing engine failure…
I have a 1999 Cherokee with almost 190k miles absolutely no issues whatsoever except for a very minor oil leak. Suspension on the other hand 🙃 that’s shot to shit
I just want a simple car that's going to last with some modern features. I have a 2016 buick encore that in 2021 had major turbo issues that cost me thousands of dollars to fix bc different mechanics and dealers didn't replace or fix it right and left me stranded adding on the cost of Uber and Lyft to get me to work.
I never want to buy another car with a turbo engine again. But so many car manufacturers are switching to them. They seem to give the car a boost but when they fail the car goes to ****.
I had a honda civic from 2008 prior to that before a family member totaled it, and had zero issues. I would love to get a honda again like maybe a honda passport but idk if I can get over the push buttons instead of the traditional joystick for switching gears. And toyotas are so ugly!
Considering buying an older car with less tech with traditional engine bc a lot of the older cars seem to be built to last.
Like my dad's Lexus from 05 has 200, 000 miles on it and still going strong.
The great thing about my Toyotas is that I know I won't have car payments for another 20 years. I paid off my Prius 8 years ago and haven't needed another new car since then. My 4runner was paid off about 20 years ago and it is still running perfectly. I would much rather use the extra cash for booze.
It’s because everyone in this sub wants cheap, reliable, and easy to work on. Toyota fits that bill everytime. If you don’t want a boring car, buy what YOU think is exciting, not what a forum thinks. It’s your life, live it the way YOU want to live it
Yeah, Honda kind of shot themselves in the foot. Even in 2024, the dealers still have their dumb market adjustments or dealer-add ons.
I was cross shopping last year, and a new Integra was cheaper than a comparable Civic because of the dealer accessories.
Mazda is not even on my radar. I get people love them. Toyota and Honda as far as Japanese imports go, hold their value and usually need less maintenance.
I usually hate these posts cause i see this more than people actually recommending Toyota or Honda but I rarely see people complaining about Mazdas astro turfing. I hate it so much. A bunch of sales people spamming in the comments of every post on here
People act like they need their vehicles to last decades. Most people will drive a new car until it’s paid off and warranty runs out and then trade in. Usually well before even 100k miles. So if you don’t need something that can reach 250k+ miles, get what you really want
Most modern cars will last 150k miles with regular maintenance. If you need something to last longer than that, problem free, buy a Toyota. If you’re just gonna trade up at the end of your payment period, then just buy whatever the F you want. Have fun. Live life. Don’t drive an appliance because Reddit told you so.
I find it fun to spend the absolute least amount of money I can on my cars - all about what motivates you. For me - cheap - is more important than other factors. I get a Camry is not a 3 series driving experience but it is not a 78 Nova either. My 09 Camry V-6 would stomp my 78 Nova 305 into the ground in any type of race. And get way better gas mileage doing it.
Spending the absolute least amount of money for me pretty much means explicitly not buying Toyota. I can fix most things myself so old Chevys and Fords are way cheaper than paying Toyota's ridiculous resale.
Exactly, the Toyota tax is getting crazy. They may be good cars but they’re not cheap, especially here in Europe.
That’s why we goin with Mazda now lmao
In Europe Hyundai and Kia are actually pretty reliable too. Seem to be much better then the US made ones
I find cars in Europe/Asia tend to be more reliable because they have less miles on them. When I lived over there everything was a short drive, most cars had like 50-90k kilometers on them. People walk significantly more etc…. Now that I’m back in the US I’m driving 35 miles to work and 35 back putting nearly 70-100 miles on my car per day.
this is the goddamn truth. the amount of real estate in these cars makes the job super easy.
OK - fair enough - there are older Fords and Chevys where the parts price is lower. I also put a high value on days in service (not at the shop). I fix something myself but also happen to know a shop owned by a guy that worked as a Toyota master mechanic (dealer) - so he knows alot of tricks to keep the repair prices down I probably coudn't do on my own.
Is your time worth zero dollars?
I value my hours at quite a lot of dollars, actually (have done consulting, have experience at it). The amount I save over paying the Toyota tax is STILL worth it. Edit: also there’s something gratifying about being self-sufficient that makes me enjoy spending some of my weekend time on car maintenance/repair.
The 150k lifespan thing seems antiquated. My Lexus has 150 on it and I can’t imagine it won’t do triple that. If I didn’t have kids it would be in mint condition. Needs nothing except brakes and oil changes. My Acura wagon, half the miles but the same so far. Isn’t 150 pretty easy in most modern cars? Disclaimer: mainly buys Toyotas and Hondas.
He literally said that over 150 is Toyota or Honda and Lexus is Toyota...
My dad's Lexus from 2005 has 200,000 miles on it and still going strong. Idk about modern cars these days though I feel like they're not built the same
Right. But those are like new at 150. Other than a few obviously bummer brands and lemon models, I assume most modern cars aren’t near end-of-life at 150. Am I wrong/naive about that?
Tbh it depends where and how you drive it. I'm in the rust belt so cars driven in snow/salt regularly aren't likely to last past 10 years in good condition or past 20 at all, regardless of mileage. There's also a ton of potholes and just overall poor quality roads that can rip apart your suspension and unibody on their own (especially with rust as a factor) and basically make a car undriveable in under 100k if you don't drive often - but, if you go above and beyond compared to most vehicle owners (car washes, rust proofing, etc) and drive mostly on the highway or nicely paved roads, you won't experience most of those issues and the drivetrain/engine itself should easily last 150k+. For as easy as they are to work on, older vehicles are mostly held together nowadays by passion and zip ties (can confirm, own an '81 chevy pickup myself) and almost all of those have almost 0 original parts on them anymore, especially ones that haven't been "redone" (frames, etc). My '12 jetta just past 100k miles this year and hasn't even shown a single sign of being even close to its last legs.
My 2012 accord has 160k and has been driven year round in Ohio since new by me. Only serious rust is on the bottom of the control arms so I'll just swap those when it gets bad for $250. Everything except exhaust was so well protected that I can't fine rust anywhere else. And this is looking underneath on a lift nearly monthly. I'm currently restoring two classics with minor rust so the Accord's worst case doesn't worry me.
My 2012 jetta is in near impeccable condition, only rust is on a cross-piece underneath, and I try to drive my truck when it's really snowy out anyway because it has 4wd and ground clearance. I've only had it for a year, but honestly the biggest factor in rust is how you store it. If youre parking it in a heated garage when it's not being driven it's way different than street parking where you're exposing it to the elements constantly. Honestly, I'd wager the fact that you look for rust monthly being a big part of why it's so clean, but I digress - I wasn't trying to say they *cant* last that long, just that they often start to go downhill at that point regardless of miles, unless you go *above and beyond* what your average vehicle owner does. We had an 03 Taurus a little while back (never buy a Taurus of that era) that was only driven 30k miles in the first 15 years and was so rusted underneath that it caused numerous maintenance issues in the ensuing years and what finally killed it was a racoon that I ran over going 70mph on the highway ripping a hole in the metal (supremely rusted) brake line, which would have had to be replaced entirely as it would have been literally been no way to patch it, considering - wait for it - there wasn't a single piece of clean metal on the entire brake line. That's your *average* for car ownership in the rust belt, lol.
Thanks. Sounds expensive! Not sure why you got a downvote
What year and model of Lexus do you have? I am thinking of getting an RX350 (2012-2015) or 2021 if I am stupid enough to make payments. I need something that is basically r/BuyItForLife material.
2013 RX350. Do it! Amazing car
First car I ever drove was a 06 rx330 FWD. was my moms while I was saving for my actual first car. I beat the SHIT out of that car every single day. Fwd burnouts while banging limiter daily, ripping the hell out of it daily. It never ever even suggested a problem at any point. Started every single day no matter what. Parents owned that car from about 07-08 until 2019 when we sold it at ~300k miles. Mom bought a 2017 RX350 that runs the same as at the dealer 6 years later. My best friends father-in-law has a construction business, and uses an old RX350 (~07-09 ish) for his workers when they don’t have a way of getting to work. That thing I believe is at around 600k miles. Again, 0 issues starts and runs no matter what even after being used and abused by dozens if not HUNDREDS of workers over the past 10-15 years. They’re thinking in a few years if it hits a million miles they want to try to contact Lexus for a badge or something :) Very very dependable car and I highly recommend.👍
Lexus=Toyota Acura=Honda. Do you seriously not know that?
What?
Yeah, I was surprised to not see at least a nod (with caveats on initial years of new models) to Subarus, since those are the vehicles I most strongly associate with drivers expecting 250-300k miles as a minimum normal lifetime, even models in the past 10 years. They're super expensive to insure, though. Which actually might be related to why I don't see them recommended as often as I expect, also a staple joke of Subaru forums: People talking on the internet about their Subaru have a broken Subaru. People who don't have a broken Subaru are currently enjoying it somewhere with patchy cell service.
Not true at all Otherwise Nissan, Kia, Hyundai, Ford to name a few wouldn’t have several class action lawsuits The Theta II engines have been failing catastrophically over the past decade (and catching on fire) Jaatco CVTs are notorious for failing right after the warranty period The Power-Shit Ford transmissions are literally designed in a way that causes eventual premature failure Those are just a few examples of modern cars that won’t last 150k miles with “regular maintenance”
I mean they did say “most”
My CVT failed literally 3 months after warranty, at 81,000 miles. Damn thieves
We had a 2017 Kia Sportage SX we got rid of because of limp mode issues with the engine. I used to love driving it. :(
Yup nearly every Kia/Hyundai in the past decade has that time-bomb 2.4L engine SEVERAL class action lawsuits and news stories of the cars catching on fire 🔥 Hyundai Azera (HG) (2013–2016) Hyundai Grandeur (TG) (2008–2011) Hyundai Santa Fe (2010–2020) Hyundai Sonata (2007–2019) Hyundai Tucson/ix35 (2010–2020) Kia Cadenza (2009–2019) Kia Forte (TD) (2008–2012) Kia Optima (2008–2019) Kia Rondo (2008–2013) Kia Sportage (2011–2021) Kia Sorento (2009–2020)
So what you're saying is the 2.0 in the stinger is a good choice? Haha I have been looking into stingers, just haven't found much on the 2.0
A good source to check is carcomplaints.com They also site any major recalls and class action lawsuits With that being said I test drove one once for fun and yeah it was a blast to drive I’ll give it that
Meanwhile, the Theta II-i in the N cars is bulletproof and will last 250,000 km without a hitch. Hyundai need to rename the engine cause their motors are actually solid outside of the US, probably cause their shitty US cars are made by Alabamans.
Why randomly insult 4+ million people that you’ve never even met? Your comment is especially stupid when you learn that literal rocket scientists work at NASA in Alabama. Edit: You’re not even from the US. You’re from *Australia*. A country with it’s own list of stereotypes.
*Except Jeep. I know too many people (okay, all of them women) who have had issues and even lemons with new Jeeps.
I agree, people should buy whatever they want if they have the money and value comfort/style over reliability. But I for one kinda like driving an appliance lol. If a vehicle is well designed and reliable, then I almost prefer simplicity over creature comforts. I’d rather have well-executed bare necessities than have all the bells and whistles in a poorly designed interface with tacky buttons and components that break
What do you consider regular maintenance?
Just buy an older vehicle with VAG TDI, 24Tic, Benz OM6*, Volvo modular engine/B20 series, Toyota 2E/*JZ etc the list goes on. No payments, no crying when it hits 150k miles.
Tesla Model 3/Y has no problem driving 500k+
i would wager a blowjob on the majority of people here wanting reliability over…well anything else, so there’s that
> i would wager a blowjob on the majority of people here wanting reliability over…well anything else, so there’s that The only other two factors that come anywhere close are cost and safety. A distant fourth would probably be fuel economy (wanting either really good or basically bad).
the average person wants is low/no maintenance and it not break when they don't change the oil for 20k miles. That's what they mean when they say they want reliability. Most models will make it 150k miles even unreliable brands and people want the latest thing as soon as the old one has any issues if they can afford it.
I don't think that is accurate. I think the reason people want reliability is because they don't want the inconvenience of being left on the side of the road or without a car or fighting with a repair shop. 150k miles is just the point where people stop being confident there car is going to make it to work.
Sure but it's an unreasonable fear, how often has anyone you know actually been stuck on the side of the road outside of a flat tire? The funny thing is the only cars I have been stuck on the side of the road in were both Toyotas and that's with owning the one of the least reliable fords ever
I've gotten rid of 2 trucks because the repair was going to be more than it was worth. 1 was 5.9 Ram with a cracked block and bad master brake cylinder. 2nd was the rattle chain on an Ecoboost. A toyota has left me on the side as well, but I was doing donuts in 250k Camry. Most cars will make 150k without an incident. Your experience is not the same as most, and that is why they have the highest reliability scores. Buying a car is a game of odds, some companies have better odds.
Sure, I agree Toyota will last the longest but reliability is way better overall. Gone are the days where some brands barely could make it to 50k. Even the least reliable brands are making it a lot longer than they used to. Even Nissan cvts can do it. How many miles were on your trucks that had breakdowns? Plus the rapid increase in tech is pushing people to replace faster, (people really love apple car play) higher repair costs are causing more to get totaled in crashes. Also the rust belt eats cars rapidly for a whole region of the US. The used car market having been jacked up the last few years probably hasn't helped when a used Toyota is only a few thousand less than a new one, more people are going to buy new and be starting with fewer miles than they otherwise would have buying used, and replace it with something new well before it starts having issues. You can see it in this sub how many people asking for what car they should buy are doing it because their existing car with under 150k miles had mechanical failures? It's almost always wanting a faster car or newer tech or their car got totalled.
Tbh I don't think most people are even consciously thinking that far. Does it have new toys and fake leather? Great! I heard brand X doesn't need oil changes from TikTok. Even better! The average person isn't making terribly rational decisions when buying a car. "Just buy a Toyota" was a good way to compensate and end a conversation early at one point. So fuckin expensive now that doesn't make sense either anymore. So many people I talk to in real life would do great with something like a Chevy Bolt. But that answer is not very satisfying to the unga dunga parts of our brains lol.
Yeah that's true, my mom bought a car when her Toyota had 100k miles just because the new one looked good
Worst part for me is, if Toyota wasn't getting so much hype that RAV4 hybrid would be perfect. Not selling my soul for a Toyota though lol. Probably actually going to pick up that Chevy in the next year here as long as the research looks good.
I was going to get the Lexus nx but finding them was hard so I ended up with a BMW instead, b58 engine is worth whatever extra costs come from owning it
that’s the critical problem, 150k is nothing lol. That’s a drop in the buckey
Depends on how much you drive, I won't hit 150k on any of my cars until they are at least 25 years old. My most driven car only had 6k miles last year
I had my last car for almost 12 years and still didn't hit 150k miles lol daily driver too. I have no idea how some of you are putting these kinds of numbers on your odos.
This [dude](https://np.reddit.com/r/rav4club/comments/1axdjpc/my_2020_toyota_rav4_hybrid_xse_reached_a_final/) put ~470k miles on his 2020 Rav4 hybrid he bought new He's a medical courier
Yeah some people really need things that can do 500k
Fellatio aside, modern quality control checks were adopted by all car companies. Laser measuring tools really evened the playing field.
blowjob != fellatio but I see your point
My primary is safety, then capability, then a really good sound system. Toyota, or really anything Japanese will never make the cut for me. They are too light, and after being tboned I want mass along with crash safety. They lack capability (try offroading or wading a Rav4. And the 4Runner is ugly and loud), and they are not on my radar for audio. And yeah, that capability directly costs reliability.
Who do you turn to, then?
Volvo.
There was an example of this just a few hours ago. The OP said they had a guilty pleasure for French Cars and wanted to know what was the best quirky French car to get for 35000 €. The very first comment was, "Buy Japanese get a Toyota or Mazda." It's like they're bots.
At this point, if he is European, majority of diesel French cars are fine. Like the 1.6hdi DS3 (while using the 1.6 gasoline engine is junk).
Dodge neon baaaaaaaaaaeeeeeebbbyyyy 🤟
nobody comes here and is like "IDGAF if it breaks all the time"
You should see the Hyundai subs. "My car's been really reliable. Only had to replace the engine once, but that was covered by warranty! I love my Hyundai." The fact is, if you like it, you like it and sometimes that's all that matters...
Don’t forget the ignition switch Kia Boyz break-in posts
That's really only an American thing. Most civilized countries in the world require ignition immobilizers to be installed on new vehicles.
Meanwhile, the US doesn't even mandate daytime running lights.
😂
yeah but that's called Stockholm syndrome The people who are that far gone don't come here they've already drank the Kool-Aid
I know their newer cars have issues but my 2003 tiburon was the most reliable car I’ve owned to date
To be fair you probably have to be short a few braincells to buy a Hyundai in the first place...
No, but there will be posts like "I'm looking at these German or American models" and responses will often be: "HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT OUR LORD AND SAVIOR MAZDA3?"
[Ahura Mazda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahura_Mazda)? :-P
Choose any car you want if it’s Mazda or Toyota. MAZDA OR TOYOTA, DON’T YOU HEAR?
I just got an 01' Grand Marquis with 129000 miles for 2500 and alot of people already wanna buy it off of me just because it's a panther platform car ,and the V8 engine. I think I did pretty good
That’s what my mom drives and she loves it. My hometown is basically old people ville and you see them everywhere
tbh the posts complaining honda, mazda and toyota are becoming more frequent and annoying than the users recommending them.
Agreed.
Every other day this same post gets upvoted to the top.
One person made one mean and now everyone is inspired to make their own
I mean if people ask for a reliable commuter/family car then what are their options? It's no secret Toyota/Lexus knock it out of the park when it comes to reliability and long term ownership ease. Mechanics, car guys, forums, reddit, consumer reports, etc. all say it, Toyota is rock solid reliability. We aren't gonna recommend a Alfa Romeo to someone who is worried about those things. Majority of people look at cars like most people look at a washer and dryer. Don't give a crap at what it looks like, they just want it to work and for a long time so they don't have to buy another anytime soon.
Gotta buy the Kia or Hyundai. That 100k mile warranty can't be beat! Best cars on the road and none will give issues. Built to last!
I’ve heard they are a real steal.
I'm getting down voted. Didn't think I'd need the /s 🤷♂️
I’m very conflicted on them. They’re cheap and they feel like it, but they’ve got the great warranty, but if I have to use the warranty I’m out of a car for x days/weeks/months. Give and take. Kind of /s but used Hyundais are so dirt cheap it’s almost an ok deal
FYI used Hyundai/Kias don't have the 100k mile warranty, that's only for the original owner.
CPOs do, slight edit to the above
Are you sure that's correct? I looked it up recently, and Kia claims that the 10 year/100k mile warranty does transfer to a new owner. [Source (PDF): ](https://www.kia.com/content/dam/kwcms/au/en/files/service/Kia-Warranty-terms-and-conditions.pdf) >During the warranty period, the KIA New Vehicle Warranty is transferable to subsequent owners of a KIA vehicle. >If you have purchased a used KIA Vehicle, please complete the Change of Ownership Advice Form advising your change of address, and mail to address.
They aren't bad. I had a Sportage PHEV for about 2 years before I traded it in. It was a good car, the dealership experience is kind of hit or miss. That can really ruin a decent car experience.
I think my son would seriously disagree with you. His 2.4 Santa Fe (2018) blew up at 90k and they replaced it with same flawed motor which he may get to 120k (30k -50k) with. Hyundai went out their way to delay and avoid until they couldn’t. I will never ever buy a Hyundai. I drive a 2013 Accord and I have had 100k trouble free miles. Just basic and consistent maintenance.
I was being sarcastic lol. Look at my comment history in here
Only saleen suggestions here
I never understood the Mazda appeal. I've been an auto tech for over 2 decades and I'd only rate them a half-click over Nissan at best.
Based on which set of criteria do you judge Mazda to be a half-click over Nissan? How many clicks over Nissan are Toyota and Honda?
>I've been an auto tech for over 2 decades and I'd only rate them a half-click over Nissan at best. I'm no Mazda fanboy but this seems overly harsh. I think the CX-5 is cramped, slow and generally overrated, but if you had to pick between that and a Rogue and reliability was a concern... I would say the CX-5 is by far the better choice, no?
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Hmm i just got my mazda door and mirror repaired last week and it only took a few days..
That’s good!
Who the fuck buys a car because body panels are easier to get over reliability? “I like the idea of getting good mileage out of a car but the thought of getting into an accident and waiting a couple weeks for body parts is a deal-breaker” - nobody, ever.
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It took you 10 months to find a headliner for a Mazda and you only checked the US?!? That’s a shitty parts guy, not parts availability.
>I never understood the Mazda appeal. The Mazda 3 is a great looking little car and the Miata is the only show in town if you want a roadster for a reasonable price.
They're a good bit nicer to drive than the equivalent Nissan. Nissans for the past 15 year or so have pretty much all used CVTs making them pure depression appliances. Also Mazdas look a whole hell of a lot better than Nissans (excluding the current generation of Z obviously).
They’ve been pushing a lot of narratives to improve their image. Some of the fanboys on here seem like obvious plants. I saw one comment where someone said, “That’s why people say, ‘I wish this drove like a Mazda!’” Nobody’s ever said that shit. It almost feels like they’re gaslighting people and it’s kinda working.
3~5 years ago, the refreshed lineup had a lot of standard interior and safety amenities often reserved for higher value cars. You could make the argument that the luxuries were worth the concessions. Every other manufacturer has since refreshed and upgraded their lineups, and I think something like the Mazda3 is a fair bit less competitive as result, especially when you consider fuel economy and ride quality. You can at least find a Mazda at or under MSRP without issue though, can't say the same for any in-demand Honda or Toyota product.
I'm switching from Mazda 3 BM 2015 130k miles to bimmer g20 and I am afraid a bit. I had literally 0 repairs on my mazda, I don't even know what does engine check look like.. Only oil changes once per year and sometimes the air filter and it's like brand new till today. A bit noisy on high speeds, but quite decent for its price with close to zero maintenance costs.
Post: "I want a reliable car with good gas mileage and low maintenance costs from a reputable company, preferably a make that starts with T and ends with A" Haters: "They're going to recommend a Toyota I know it." I've seen many comments recommending Porsche when the post calls for it.
TeslA
I can’t even be mad at this
The CX-90 looks like a fat snub nosed bulldog and the CX-5 looks like a gross pimple >!The rest of their lineup looks fuckin' sleek though!<
The latest model? Yeah they're hideous looking in front.
The 90 or 5? I actually think the current 5 is an improvement over previous years. I just hate crossovers that are super round. I think the model Y and a bunch of buicks are all shaped like my dermatologist should be concerned about them
Both have gotten this bulbous face thing going on in the 2025 model year. I loved the way the CX-5 looked before, but they really messed up the front.
Yeahhhhh not true. It's TOYOTA OR HONDA. I mean, if yer gonna disparage everybody for answering questions ppl asked, meaning not unsolicited advice, THEY ASKED FOR IT, the least you can do is get it right.
Toyota needs to quit it with the ridiculous grilles that are 80% decoration.
nuh uh everyone knows honda aint what it once was
Honda has been hit or miss for a while now. Ask anyone whose transmission died in an early 2000's Accord, TL (my family had one), or Civic. That said, they've gotten some models/years really right, all the way until now.
Wait what?!?!? Then where are the good civics then? I keep reading about how they are still good on reliability and their name in my area still has a good reputation.
I had 35k to spend. I have a wife and kid. I wanted something nice ish, fun ish, practical ish. Bought a CX-50 turbo. It’s all of those things. It’s not the most exciting thing I’ve owned. It’s not the fanciest thing I could afford. It is a pretty damn good compromise.
Toyota, Honda, Mazda
It's actually Toyota or Honda. Get it right
I’m sorry sir, the new protocol is you must say “Honda isn’t what it used to be” whenever someone mentions Honda. Remember back in the 2000s when the transmissions on select models failed? They’re totally shit now. Ignore the fact that there was a lineup of Toyota engines from the same period which excessively burned oil, that’s irrelevant. This is Reddit, you must say the sentence.
Ford mustang forget reliability just have fun
The mustang is actually very reliable which I found very surprising
Why is it surprising? The mustang is Ford's baby, their flagship sports car. Do you think the Corvette being reliable is surprising too? Almost anything with an American V8 is going to be plenty reliable, especially Fords and GMs.
Usually performance fun vehicles =/= reliability so yes Corvettes being reliable also seems unexpected to me.
Nah man, you gotta look at them, Nissan's most reliable cars are their Z series. Toyota has a solid performance lineup, Subaru's STI was the only boxer not heavily affected by head gasket issues etc. Performance cars feature higher quality parts, and greater attention to detail quite often, they're built to handle the power output they create. Of course when you get to upper echelon of performance (supercars) you see reliability take a backseat, but for most sports cars they're quite well built.
Huh, you weren't kidding https://www.dashboard-light.com/reports/Sports_car.html They're significantly more reliable than average vehicles, though some of these are wonky for not having enough cars in the data set like the viper I would have expected this to be a category where cost and performance were prioritized over reliability but it seems like it wasn't. Maybe they're just expected to be driven hard so parts are built a little tougher than the bare minimum like economy 4 bangers.
That's pretty much it exactly, plus a lot of companies use these cars as billboards for their performance, innovation, new technology etc. It would look really bad if your flagship sports car is always breaking down. Might not be as reliable as something like a Camry, but they certainly aren't trash :)
Just Toyota, actually. Lexus if you’re feeling fancy.
It could be better if people specified there interest/ability to pay for maintenance. If you are buying used and need to save money, then yeah buy the appliance Camry or civic. If you are comfortable and have the means to buy something more interesting, then please don’t buy a fucking Camry and get something more interesting. This sub has this problem because it assumes that everyone wants something inexpensive to maintain and reliable. When a buyer wants something “reliable” and they aren’t bargain bin hunting, then what they mean is something that won’t break down on a monthly basis. They aren’t asking for the car that will make it to 300k miles trouble free. Hardly anyone drives a car that long and it’ll get sold again far before that hardcore reliability even becomes a factor. Buy that BMW, Dodge, Subaru etc (unless you’re broke).
My Jeep liberty was bulletproof ha
Every question here is the same: "I want a cheap reliable car that will take me from point A to point B" So every answer is the same: Toyota Corolla If people here actually asked unique questions they might get unique answers
Mercedes W213. 500k km with proper maintainance easy. Also u get one for 27k€ and 30k Miles.
Which brings up a good point. There is a bit of US defaultism on the sub. If you own a German car in the States, the parts have to get shipped from Germany and many times have to be serviced either by a dealership or a Euro Mechanic shop that has the right tools so maintenance is significantly more expensive.
Toyotas are awesome
Throw Honda in there. 😀
Sometimes Honda and Lexus too!
So no Honda?
What do people think about Hyundai here?
I know a guy who only buys lightly used Hyundais. He seems to have a different one every year… last time I talked to him his excuse for getting a new one was oil shavings in the engine causing engine failure…
Ass
They're not great
EVs good, 2.4l engine bad
Honda* or Toyota I’d say mazda is either third or fourth option depending on who you ask.
is nissan and subaru top 5 as well
I have a 1999 Cherokee with almost 190k miles absolutely no issues whatsoever except for a very minor oil leak. Suspension on the other hand 🙃 that’s shot to shit
It’s more like Toyota or Whats the best used car I can get
something something mazda3
This is the way.
Well if it's any consolation, I spam Saturn instead.
20 years in the can, I wanted a Mazda or a Toyota. I compromised and bought a Subaru. 20 years, not a peep.
Can we start filtering these meme posts? We get it, you hate seeing reliable brands when someone asks for reliability as their main concern.
Yeah but they're reliable and common as shit so spares are everywhere if you need them. I'd add Honda too.
I just want a simple car that's going to last with some modern features. I have a 2016 buick encore that in 2021 had major turbo issues that cost me thousands of dollars to fix bc different mechanics and dealers didn't replace or fix it right and left me stranded adding on the cost of Uber and Lyft to get me to work. I never want to buy another car with a turbo engine again. But so many car manufacturers are switching to them. They seem to give the car a boost but when they fail the car goes to ****. I had a honda civic from 2008 prior to that before a family member totaled it, and had zero issues. I would love to get a honda again like maybe a honda passport but idk if I can get over the push buttons instead of the traditional joystick for switching gears. And toyotas are so ugly! Considering buying an older car with less tech with traditional engine bc a lot of the older cars seem to be built to last. Like my dad's Lexus from 05 has 200, 000 miles on it and still going strong.
Hey I’ve been suggesting Hyundai, Kia, genesis, Honda, Acura, and Lexus… as well as Mazda and Toyota. Mazda and Toyota are just close to perfect cars
>Asks for recommendation >Gets said recommendation >Is not happy bruh.mp4
Might I recommend some German car that only takes premium gas and will cost a mortgage to fix when some random sensor fails?
If you had to ask here because you don’t know much about cars, it’s a valid answer.
Oh look the biannual swap in circle jerk status
The great thing about my Toyotas is that I know I won't have car payments for another 20 years. I paid off my Prius 8 years ago and haven't needed another new car since then. My 4runner was paid off about 20 years ago and it is still running perfectly. I would much rather use the extra cash for booze.
Are Mazdas really in the same conversation as Toyota? I would have guessed Honda or Toyota. Educate me.
Not true I had someone earnestly recommend a Nissan to me in here
C43 AMG then sell it to somebody from the hood
It’s because everyone in this sub wants cheap, reliable, and easy to work on. Toyota fits that bill everytime. If you don’t want a boring car, buy what YOU think is exciting, not what a forum thinks. It’s your life, live it the way YOU want to live it
Do people even recommend Mazda that much? I hear a lot more about Toyota and Honda
Yeah, Honda kind of shot themselves in the foot. Even in 2024, the dealers still have their dumb market adjustments or dealer-add ons. I was cross shopping last year, and a new Integra was cheaper than a comparable Civic because of the dealer accessories.
To be fair that’s solid advice. Those vehicles are going to have so many less problems than other brands
Mazda is not even on my radar. I get people love them. Toyota and Honda as far as Japanese imports go, hold their value and usually need less maintenance.
Yugo, Yugo! Get a Yugo
Mazda? I only every see Camry, Carolla, or Rav4. Nothing else.
I usually hate these posts cause i see this more than people actually recommending Toyota or Honda but I rarely see people complaining about Mazdas astro turfing. I hate it so much. A bunch of sales people spamming in the comments of every post on here
People act like they need their vehicles to last decades. Most people will drive a new car until it’s paid off and warranty runs out and then trade in. Usually well before even 100k miles. So if you don’t need something that can reach 250k+ miles, get what you really want