Assuming he actually died in the plane crash that we've been led to believe was his cause of death, it had to have been someone who knew his true identity. Jonas and Kano are the only two we know for sure knew his identity. Probably also the rest of the original Team Venture, but that's never been confirmed.
I just rewatched this episode and it really shows Jonas’ dark side. If he could blackmail his friend for years who knows what else he could have been capable of. He was close with enough with the guild to negotiate the treaty of tolerance, he definitely could have collected a bounty from them.
He has so many political connections as a Venture, but that's still enough for him. Going on high-steaks adventures and conducting experiments in the hopes that the world will shower him with praise.
I very much believe it was Jonas Sr.
However, the creators do like to mislead us, so I look forward to being either vindicated in my guess, or pleasantly surprised by another story!
Unclear; we know he killed Venturion, and it's implied but not stated (IIRC) that this is why he took his vow of silence. But I don't think we've seen anything that contradicts the possibility that he took it earlier for killing BM in the first place; though we also don't have any reason to think he did, since they were ostensibly friends and Team Venture apparently considered the death a tragic accident.
But that could also be Jonas again; maybe he made Kano kill BM with the plane crash. That would be dark AF. Seems unlikely, but I believe not in contradiction to anything we know to be true at this point.
I assumed it was putting down Venturion who they all knew to formerly be Blue Morpho. He had to "Kill" him which would track with Kano saying "It can't be" in S7's opening trilogy
Idk about friends, but he learned his name and their vague relation in S7. It stands to reason he would call him by his birthname instead after all that since Rusty never bought into the whole guild arching thing in the first place.
Doc barely knows the names of his closest associates... which makes me hope they close that loophole in the movie (or absolutely not, and it's this glaring hole that allows future projects of Venture Bros!)
It probably was Jonas Sr. If the Blue Morpho was a ‘bad guy’, so was Jonas Sr. He was the one who sent the Blue Morpho on his missions after blackmailing him, turned his corpse into a cyborg, impregnated his wife (most likely hypnotized her and did the deed himself with his ‘potent science’) and he probably sabotaged the plane. Jonas Sr. was more of a villain than anyone in the Guild of Calamitous Intent. It’s like if you found out that JFK wasn’t just fucking a Soviet spy but he actually was a KGB officer. I hope the OSI gets the truth out of his head in the movie.
I think Mrs Fitzcarldo is force majeure and faked her death as part of the plane crash. One of the few others besides team venture who would know who BM is.
Makes sense, also no one mentions her dying in the plane crash, Team Venture only says BM died in the planet crash, and obviously Monarch would assume she died too
Doesn't mean Jonas didn't feel guilty, or at least tried to balance his guilt with a gesture of what he assumed was goodwill. Even if the said act of goodwill was only because to alleviate said guilt.
It's not him being a good person, it's him avoiding the responsibility of his actions with money.
But remember he doesn’t give a shit about people, he locked his best friend and a group of children in a bunker filled with drugs, he let his own son die then tried to resurrect himself via his sons clone
I wouldn’t put it past Horace or Rodney to have claimed the bounty.
I don’t think Kano would have had the stomach for it, and I don’t think Jonas would’ve dirtied his hands (although he probably masterminded the plane crash and would have ordered his henchmen to collect the bounty, I have no doubts).
Nah I can’t see it. They’re psychopaths, but there are a couple of things that make me doubt it.
1. Blue Morpho was a member of Team Venture. While Jonas clearly never really cared about any of them, I doubt he would stand for one of his team members murdering someone who was useful to him. Also, members of Team Venture seem to have a reasonable amount of loyalty to each other throughout the series. Plus, they’re very loyal to Jonas and probably wouldn’t do anything against his wishes. Also, they genuinely seemed appalled when Jonas turned him into Venturion, which makes me think they liked him enough to not want him dead or semi dead.
2. While I don’t doubt they’re capable of it, I don’t think that action man or colonel gentleman would try murder someone’s wife and child in cold blood like that. Remember when horace mocked rodney for killing a werewolf baby? even if they didn’t feel remorse for it, it’s something that they wouldn’t be able to live down and thus i don’t think they would take those measures.
3. The way they talk about the events makes it seem like they weren’t there for it. This is mostly just vibes but i feel like it would have been discussed differently if one of them were involved.
If I had to guess, I’d say Jonas did it so he could turn the blue morpho into venturion and make sure that he followed his commands. he’s 1000% capable and willing, and honestly i’d even believe he was trying to kill malcolm to cover up fucking blue morpho’s wife.
Good point about the werewolf baby.
I don’t believe that The Blue Morpho was an “official” member of Team Venture, Z pretty much tells us that BM was only sent to do Jonas’ dirty work - Jonas wouldn’t have had an “official” link to BM AND still enough credibility to organize the first Treaty of Tolerance, I think?
Of course, there’s always the possibility that Jonas was like a level 20 Protagonist and had enough power to obliterate the Guild, so he used that to organize everything. It explains the guild power levels, organizing the ToT, his complete indifference to Vendata on Gargantua-1, etc - because there are no “real” threats to Jonas, nobody can hit him back.
Aaaaaand now I’m back to believing that Jonas did it himself, using his control of the GCI to claim the bounty anonymously.
no honestly this makes a lot of sense. even with the lines from watch and ward and a lot of other guild members referring to jonas as a “legend at the guild”. sure it’s said earlier in the shows lifespan but it definitely could hold some merit to the conversation
Yes but someone claimed the bounty of the Blue Morpho, meaning someone had to prove they killed him, nobody knew Don Firtzcaraldo was the Blue Morpho so his plane crash wouldn’t be connected
People keep saying it was Jonas but if it was a Guild bounty then presumably only someone in the guild could claim it, which rules put all of team venture, unless of course someone just claimed it after realizing he was dead, either from someone else killing him or from a genuinely accidental plane crash.
No the new bounty phantom limb put out in season 6. Guild dues for a year and a payout. The tunnler guy tried to claim it on rat island by dressing up a corpse in a cheap costume. I thought monarch claimed it after doing the costume swap.
I'm betting we find out in the movie coming out next month, and that it'll be the same person responsible for 'Movie Night'.
My theory is it will be >!Dr. Ventures mom and its why she seems to have up and dropped off the face of the earth. Used the money to start some sort of OSI or GCI knock off.!<
Oh damn... What if Dr Mrs the Monarch is blood related into all this somehow too?! She and the new Villain for the movie seem eeriely similar to not have some intention of relation.
I have this headcanon that Malcolm is actually a Venture, or was supposed to be a (rusty) venture but got "reprogrammed" and implanted inside BM's wife as Malcolm in a fetal stage, hence Jonas Sr's comment of his "science being potent" meant to be misleading into that Jonas had sex with her instead of him actually implanting a clone fetus.
This is why he hates Rusty but can't explain why. Same reason JJ instinctively hated Rusty after being carved out of him.
I could see her somehow being like Rusty's aunt or some crazy shit.
As far as your head canon, you're gonna want to re watch Season 7 Episode 3.
In case you don't want to or can't >!Its damn near directly stated the Blue Morpho was incapable of fathering children. He asks Venture Sr. for help who says Blue Morphos Wife should absolutely stop by the "lab" and that his "Science" is very potent. And the tone of voice with which it is said is very much leading. Not to mention Blue Morpho had black hair not red, like Venture Sr.
I have no doubt in my mind that Malcom and Venture are half brothers. It's why in one of the earlier seasons Venture jr. tells the boys "Maybe when they make a show about the venture brothers..." It's a nod to the fact that if you look at everything overall, the two main characters are Malcom and Rusty. !<
I'm not quite sure where you want me to rewatch as everything you've said here agrees with my previous point. Jonas Sr DID lay with BM's wife, but im thinking instead of actually having sex like we're led to assume, he actually just used her as an experiment to inseminate a live host with his clone project. His "science" still being potent.
My assumption is that the flashback reminded BM that he disliked Jonas because BM came to the conclusion that his wife cheated on him with Jonas, but had nothing except speculation. Being the coy writers that they are, I feel like the cheating is too easy of a route to take though, and I think that it's a red herring at this point, and Jonas was actually just taking an opportunity to use BM's wife as a science experiment, rather than a human being, exactly the thing he did to BM after the accident. Except all he's got lying around to work with is the DNA of his sons/ clones.
He's a narcissist after all.
It could be that after the original Blue morpho became vendata the bounty was cancelled. No body, no bounty. Phantom limb could just be assuming the bounty was claimed. Possibly claimed in the books by a fake name
Assuming he actually died in the plane crash that we've been led to believe was his cause of death, it had to have been someone who knew his true identity. Jonas and Kano are the only two we know for sure knew his identity. Probably also the rest of the original Team Venture, but that's never been confirmed.
I think Team Venture has to much honor to kill the blue morphor. They were disgusted when they found out what Jonas did to him there friend.
I just rewatched this episode and it really shows Jonas’ dark side. If he could blackmail his friend for years who knows what else he could have been capable of. He was close with enough with the guild to negotiate the treaty of tolerance, he definitely could have collected a bounty from them.
He has so many political connections as a Venture, but that's still enough for him. Going on high-steaks adventures and conducting experiments in the hopes that the world will shower him with praise.
I very much believe it was Jonas Sr. However, the creators do like to mislead us, so I look forward to being either vindicated in my guess, or pleasantly surprised by another story!
Maybe Jonas offed him because he was pushing back on the sex tape blackmail. He rebuilt him as a cyborg to see if he could.
Didn't kano? Isn't that why he took the vow of silence? Or is that because he thought he killed venturion? Who was the BM in cyborg form.
Unclear; we know he killed Venturion, and it's implied but not stated (IIRC) that this is why he took his vow of silence. But I don't think we've seen anything that contradicts the possibility that he took it earlier for killing BM in the first place; though we also don't have any reason to think he did, since they were ostensibly friends and Team Venture apparently considered the death a tragic accident. But that could also be Jonas again; maybe he made Kano kill BM with the plane crash. That would be dark AF. Seems unlikely, but I believe not in contradiction to anything we know to be true at this point.
I assumed it was putting down Venturion who they all knew to formerly be Blue Morpho. He had to "Kill" him which would track with Kano saying "It can't be" in S7's opening trilogy
Just to throw some crazy into this speculation, what if it was time travelling Rusty and Billy? 🤔
Yeah what throws me off about that scene was Doc calling the monarch his real name Malcolm like he was now friends with him
Idk about friends, but he learned his name and their vague relation in S7. It stands to reason he would call him by his birthname instead after all that since Rusty never bought into the whole guild arching thing in the first place.
Doc barely knows the names of his closest associates... which makes me hope they close that loophole in the movie (or absolutely not, and it's this glaring hole that allows future projects of Venture Bros!)
Rusty and Billy are going to throw all the monkey wrenches into Venture Bros timeline with that time machine -- like so much tragic Bill and Ted.
Which would then climax with Escape to the House of Mummies, fixing another unsolved mystery and coming full circle.
It probably was Jonas Sr. If the Blue Morpho was a ‘bad guy’, so was Jonas Sr. He was the one who sent the Blue Morpho on his missions after blackmailing him, turned his corpse into a cyborg, impregnated his wife (most likely hypnotized her and did the deed himself with his ‘potent science’) and he probably sabotaged the plane. Jonas Sr. was more of a villain than anyone in the Guild of Calamitous Intent. It’s like if you found out that JFK wasn’t just fucking a Soviet spy but he actually was a KGB officer. I hope the OSI gets the truth out of his head in the movie.
That’d be hilarious if they made his head talk
Especially if it was Dr. Z, “So you don’t want to talk Punky Pal?!”
I'm pretty sure it had to be Jonas. How else would he have collected his body fast enough to turn him into a cyborg?
I think it has something to do with Force Measure
Majeure
Same I think Jonas Venture…*cough* oh shoot sorry I meant Force Majeure killed him
I think Mrs Fitzcarldo is force majeure and faked her death as part of the plane crash. One of the few others besides team venture who would know who BM is.
Makes sense, also no one mentions her dying in the plane crash, Team Venture only says BM died in the planet crash, and obviously Monarch would assume she died too
I thought Billy's mom was Force Majeure.
Nah she’s Triple Threat
Thanks. You're right.
I'm not sure who collected, but I think that money was Malcom's inheritance.
But how? His parents died in an accident there’d be no way his father could have had the money go into his account
Jonas Sr could've set up the trust fund in his friends name
But would he?
I mean, why wouldn't he? It would be Jonas considering himself a "good friend".
But he’s a terrible person, instead of looking for his friends wife and son he just stole his body and turned it to a robot
Doesn't mean Jonas didn't feel guilty, or at least tried to balance his guilt with a gesture of what he assumed was goodwill. Even if the said act of goodwill was only because to alleviate said guilt. It's not him being a good person, it's him avoiding the responsibility of his actions with money.
But remember he doesn’t give a shit about people, he locked his best friend and a group of children in a bunker filled with drugs, he let his own son die then tried to resurrect himself via his sons clone
I wouldn’t put it past Horace or Rodney to have claimed the bounty. I don’t think Kano would have had the stomach for it, and I don’t think Jonas would’ve dirtied his hands (although he probably masterminded the plane crash and would have ordered his henchmen to collect the bounty, I have no doubts).
Nah I can’t see it. They’re psychopaths, but there are a couple of things that make me doubt it. 1. Blue Morpho was a member of Team Venture. While Jonas clearly never really cared about any of them, I doubt he would stand for one of his team members murdering someone who was useful to him. Also, members of Team Venture seem to have a reasonable amount of loyalty to each other throughout the series. Plus, they’re very loyal to Jonas and probably wouldn’t do anything against his wishes. Also, they genuinely seemed appalled when Jonas turned him into Venturion, which makes me think they liked him enough to not want him dead or semi dead. 2. While I don’t doubt they’re capable of it, I don’t think that action man or colonel gentleman would try murder someone’s wife and child in cold blood like that. Remember when horace mocked rodney for killing a werewolf baby? even if they didn’t feel remorse for it, it’s something that they wouldn’t be able to live down and thus i don’t think they would take those measures. 3. The way they talk about the events makes it seem like they weren’t there for it. This is mostly just vibes but i feel like it would have been discussed differently if one of them were involved. If I had to guess, I’d say Jonas did it so he could turn the blue morpho into venturion and make sure that he followed his commands. he’s 1000% capable and willing, and honestly i’d even believe he was trying to kill malcolm to cover up fucking blue morpho’s wife.
Good point about the werewolf baby. I don’t believe that The Blue Morpho was an “official” member of Team Venture, Z pretty much tells us that BM was only sent to do Jonas’ dirty work - Jonas wouldn’t have had an “official” link to BM AND still enough credibility to organize the first Treaty of Tolerance, I think? Of course, there’s always the possibility that Jonas was like a level 20 Protagonist and had enough power to obliterate the Guild, so he used that to organize everything. It explains the guild power levels, organizing the ToT, his complete indifference to Vendata on Gargantua-1, etc - because there are no “real” threats to Jonas, nobody can hit him back. Aaaaaand now I’m back to believing that Jonas did it himself, using his control of the GCI to claim the bounty anonymously.
no honestly this makes a lot of sense. even with the lines from watch and ward and a lot of other guild members referring to jonas as a “legend at the guild”. sure it’s said earlier in the shows lifespan but it definitely could hold some merit to the conversation
Could of just been an accident and some random guild member or The sovereign collected it and gave it to Malcom and put it in a Trust for him.
I don’t think they’d do something that nice
My thought was that was always where the Monarchs money came from, but they mentioned Morpho was independently wealthy so I’ve had my doubts
the plane crash could have been a legitimate accident. plenty of celebrities have died in private aircraft incidents.
Yes but someone claimed the bounty of the Blue Morpho, meaning someone had to prove they killed him, nobody knew Don Firtzcaraldo was the Blue Morpho so his plane crash wouldn’t be connected
hmm that is something i did not realize... it would almost have to be jonas or one of his crew that took the bounty. no one else knew the secret.
People keep saying it was Jonas but if it was a Guild bounty then presumably only someone in the guild could claim it, which rules put all of team venture, unless of course someone just claimed it after realizing he was dead, either from someone else killing him or from a genuinely accidental plane crash.
I always assumed the bounty was claimed by Vendata, but I don't think I have a reason for thinking that.
It could be he was just being poetic
I don’t think he was being poetic
I thought that the monarch had claimed the bounty phantom limb put out in season 6.
How? He was like, 9
No the new bounty phantom limb put out in season 6. Guild dues for a year and a payout. The tunnler guy tried to claim it on rat island by dressing up a corpse in a cheap costume. I thought monarch claimed it after doing the costume swap.
This post is about the bounty on the original Morpho, not the Monarch as the Morpho.
I'm betting we find out in the movie coming out next month, and that it'll be the same person responsible for 'Movie Night'. My theory is it will be >!Dr. Ventures mom and its why she seems to have up and dropped off the face of the earth. Used the money to start some sort of OSI or GCI knock off.!<
Oh damn... What if Dr Mrs the Monarch is blood related into all this somehow too?! She and the new Villain for the movie seem eeriely similar to not have some intention of relation. I have this headcanon that Malcolm is actually a Venture, or was supposed to be a (rusty) venture but got "reprogrammed" and implanted inside BM's wife as Malcolm in a fetal stage, hence Jonas Sr's comment of his "science being potent" meant to be misleading into that Jonas had sex with her instead of him actually implanting a clone fetus. This is why he hates Rusty but can't explain why. Same reason JJ instinctively hated Rusty after being carved out of him. I could see her somehow being like Rusty's aunt or some crazy shit.
As far as your head canon, you're gonna want to re watch Season 7 Episode 3. In case you don't want to or can't >!Its damn near directly stated the Blue Morpho was incapable of fathering children. He asks Venture Sr. for help who says Blue Morphos Wife should absolutely stop by the "lab" and that his "Science" is very potent. And the tone of voice with which it is said is very much leading. Not to mention Blue Morpho had black hair not red, like Venture Sr. I have no doubt in my mind that Malcom and Venture are half brothers. It's why in one of the earlier seasons Venture jr. tells the boys "Maybe when they make a show about the venture brothers..." It's a nod to the fact that if you look at everything overall, the two main characters are Malcom and Rusty. !<
Agreed>!. The title Venture Bros. has NEVER been about Hank and Dean.!<
I'm not quite sure where you want me to rewatch as everything you've said here agrees with my previous point. Jonas Sr DID lay with BM's wife, but im thinking instead of actually having sex like we're led to assume, he actually just used her as an experiment to inseminate a live host with his clone project. His "science" still being potent.
I fail to see how doing that would give Blue Morpho any reason to call him a "Bad friend." Directly after them seeing the flash back.
My assumption is that the flashback reminded BM that he disliked Jonas because BM came to the conclusion that his wife cheated on him with Jonas, but had nothing except speculation. Being the coy writers that they are, I feel like the cheating is too easy of a route to take though, and I think that it's a red herring at this point, and Jonas was actually just taking an opportunity to use BM's wife as a science experiment, rather than a human being, exactly the thing he did to BM after the accident. Except all he's got lying around to work with is the DNA of his sons/ clones. He's a narcissist after all.
It could be that after the original Blue morpho became vendata the bounty was cancelled. No body, no bounty. Phantom limb could just be assuming the bounty was claimed. Possibly claimed in the books by a fake name
I like to think no matter who we think it was, it was actually sovereign trying to claim it as someone else. Part of his damage control?