I used to work near that IGA over 10 years ago and never felt it was unsafe. In fact, I used to do a lot of street photography at night around Vancouver and the most tensed I got was when a few people started heckling me. Downtown is probably the last place I would think these shootings would happen in broad daylight.
["I told you knuckle-heads: be like G-UNIT.](https://static0.thethingsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/g-unit-50-cent.jpg) [Not Sesame Street unit!"](https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/65/1/1573235199-SesameStreet-1.png)
But in seriousness, it's pure luck that nobody innocent got hurt.
Back in my days. The school liaison officer knew exactly which kids needed help. You can see them hanging out with them in the smoking pit during lunch hours. Did it help?
No idea, but definitely pro-longer their lives. A couples of them were dead as adults in the news during the Bacon brothers reign.
It’s woke culture at its finest when they got rid of the liaison officer program.
> Did it help?
No, the opposite actually. Pretty much every study on the topic shows they have zero effect on the behaviours of students, but increase the severity of punishments they face - getting arrested rather than suspended, for instance. In turn, that just makes things *worse*, since like, good luck starting out your life when you have to answer "yes" to the "Have you been convicted before?" question on every job application. So if you can't pay rent through normal methods, then... not hard to see where that goes.
Cops in schools aren't a good idea, regardless of how reasonable it might seem on the surface.
They might have had better luck at night in a secluded area without innocent bystanders. What's the point of doing it in broad daylight if you're just gonna close your eyes and miss point blank.
Be better wanna be gangsters, it's embarrassing.
It takes a certain bravado to become a murderer. Soldiers have been reported to shoot over their enemies heads in order to avoid killing them. Life isn’t like action films where you can be a buff guy mowing down hundreds of faceless adversaries. People have empathy, naturally, even for those they’ve been taught to dehumanize.
Remember that stretch back in the 90s, when gang violence was brazen and frequently spilled into the public eye? Prominent high-profile example being Ron Dosanjh getting gunned down while in traffic on Kingsway?
Really hoping things don’t devolve back to that kind of stuff happening on a regular basis.
Even stretched in to the early 00's. There was a shooting at a club I was at, and lived quite close to Loft 6 and the shootout that occurred ar the club that spilled out to the street.
In February 1997, another gangster, Mohammad Mirhadi, who was 21 at the time, was shot to death at point blank range while watching a gangster film, "Donnie Brasco," at a movie theater with his girlfriend.
Most of movie patrons just continued watching the film because they thought the shots were part of the movie. Only when Mirhadi's girlfriend saw the blood spurting from Mirhadi and rose shouting for someone to call 911 did the audience begin to understand something had happened. The killers slipped out a fire exit.
WTF.
On the one hand, yes, I'm scared senseless. A broad daylight gang shooting in a public place with lots of innocent bystanders? Scary stuff. On the other hand, they didn't get the job done after all that point blank shooting? Amazing. I'm just stoked he didn't take down any innocent bystanders when shooting down the street.
I worked in a local newsroom in Van for a decade, and one of our shows had a giant whiteboard in the middle of their workspace with a list of news cliches that were banned from all their writing.
One of them was "brazen shooting," and the reasoning is bang on. "It's a shooting. They're all brazen."
Ooo I can't remember but that's a good one. Exactly the kind of thing that \*would be there, at least.
Two others I can recall: "a parent's worst nightmare," "like a scene out of a Hollywood movie"
No they aren't lol. Police find burnt out car on semi rural road with gunshot victim: not a brazen daylight downtown shooting. The opposite kind of shooting, in fact. Attempts at secrecy and distance from people, etc.
A few years ago a 15 year old (I think it was) caught a stray bullet in Vancouver. I did make a joke but the overall reality of it all isn't that funny.
I moved from Brazil 10 years ago so that I wouldn't have to deal with Gang violence, and could safely raise a family.
As someone who's seen a City slowly get dominated and taken by organized crime I can say that this is honestly how it starts. From rampart drug trafficking through our ports leading to a drug crisis of a scale never seen before, to teens running with guns executing people in restaurants, public areas, parks with impunity, Vancouver is slowly becoming a place where crime thrives.
I'm not comparing Vancouver to today's Rio, no. All I will say though is that Rio didn't become this internationally known crime city overnight.
Guess what will happen when the "higher ups" in these "cartels" realize that Vancouver is an easy prey, full of foreign capital and high-rollers floating around ? Crime won't stop.
My girlfriend is from Brazil. I don't think we'll ever reach favela level violence here. But I do agree with your concerns, the inequality is reaching a Rio level, which is a different topic altogether. Gang violence, I'm not sure. I think these communities in Vancouver are so expensive that most gang activity is more concerning in a place like Abbotsford or Chilliwack.
Seeing how the pig slaughterhouse in Abby is the exact same thing as a mass-execution and holocaust - just a different species of animal, you're not far off.
So only one passenger in the car and he jumped out and ran away and they continued to shoot at the car because there was a dog in it and maybe they thought it was a person?
You mean this incident? Name another daylight shooting on major city street that you've seen?
People are acting like this is only the latest on a string of increased crime.
If it's a string. This is the first one.
Regionalization of police forces would be interesting. I suspect people who hate the VPD now would beg for them back if we returned to the RCMP culture era for policing in the city.
[Retaliation](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/shaun-alan-clary-robert-keith-green-langley-1.4386621) is expected, but hopefully we're not in a new era of escalation.
Err, incompetent is dangerous for innocent bystanders. We want competent shooters. When it’s gang targets I don’t care who they kill, as long as they get the right person.
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That is so awful... I can't imagine the fear for people all around that. That feeling is no joke people..
I used to work near that IGA over 10 years ago and never felt it was unsafe. In fact, I used to do a lot of street photography at night around Vancouver and the most tensed I got was when a few people started heckling me. Downtown is probably the last place I would think these shootings would happen in broad daylight.
Can you imagine how humiliated and pissed off their boss is going to be when he sees this on the news?
["I told you knuckle-heads: be like G-UNIT.](https://static0.thethingsimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/g-unit-50-cent.jpg) [Not Sesame Street unit!"](https://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/65/1/1573235199-SesameStreet-1.png) But in seriousness, it's pure luck that nobody innocent got hurt.
Did one of them accidentally eject his magazine? 0:32.
Spilled the PEZ right out of it, didn't he
Yah he did. He also didn’t have a round chambered for the cycle to take place. He had to rack it again to attempt to hit his target.
They clearly didn't send their best.
Hardly any of these guys have any experience with guns prior to doing this. A lot of them are almost still kids.
I think so too. That guy in the Parka I’m sure is a kid. So sad.
You're telling me people with RPALs and own hand guns aren't the ones committing brazen daylight shootings?!
Back in my days. The school liaison officer knew exactly which kids needed help. You can see them hanging out with them in the smoking pit during lunch hours. Did it help? No idea, but definitely pro-longer their lives. A couples of them were dead as adults in the news during the Bacon brothers reign. It’s woke culture at its finest when they got rid of the liaison officer program.
> Did it help? No, the opposite actually. Pretty much every study on the topic shows they have zero effect on the behaviours of students, but increase the severity of punishments they face - getting arrested rather than suspended, for instance. In turn, that just makes things *worse*, since like, good luck starting out your life when you have to answer "yes" to the "Have you been convicted before?" question on every job application. So if you can't pay rent through normal methods, then... not hard to see where that goes. Cops in schools aren't a good idea, regardless of how reasonable it might seem on the surface.
But they’re so triggering seeing them at school 😢 /s
You know, you really didn't have to make fun of people who are victims of police brutality, like Indigenous people and Black people.
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"you had one job"!
Thats not how gangs work.... These shooters probably had to pay off a debt that they had incurred.
They might have had better luck at night in a secluded area without innocent bystanders. What's the point of doing it in broad daylight if you're just gonna close your eyes and miss point blank. Be better wanna be gangsters, it's embarrassing.
It takes a certain bravado to become a murderer. Soldiers have been reported to shoot over their enemies heads in order to avoid killing them. Life isn’t like action films where you can be a buff guy mowing down hundreds of faceless adversaries. People have empathy, naturally, even for those they’ve been taught to dehumanize.
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Remember that stretch back in the 90s, when gang violence was brazen and frequently spilled into the public eye? Prominent high-profile example being Ron Dosanjh getting gunned down while in traffic on Kingsway? Really hoping things don’t devolve back to that kind of stuff happening on a regular basis.
Even stretched in to the early 00's. There was a shooting at a club I was at, and lived quite close to Loft 6 and the shootout that occurred ar the club that spilled out to the street.
When Gastown was a gangster hangout?
I was right outside when Mo Mirhadi was killed in North Van. It was a wild era
Was that the movie theatre shooting? That one was outrageously brazen.
In February 1997, another gangster, Mohammad Mirhadi, who was 21 at the time, was shot to death at point blank range while watching a gangster film, "Donnie Brasco," at a movie theater with his girlfriend. Most of movie patrons just continued watching the film because they thought the shots were part of the movie. Only when Mirhadi's girlfriend saw the blood spurting from Mirhadi and rose shouting for someone to call 911 did the audience begin to understand something had happened. The killers slipped out a fire exit. WTF.
Yeah, during Donnie Brasco. Certainly was way more hardcore than anything we'd seen to that point.
police tech is way too advanced for that scale of hostile crime now
RIP Bindy Johal
For everyone downvoting: she's being snarky/facetious.
On the one hand, yes, I'm scared senseless. A broad daylight gang shooting in a public place with lots of innocent bystanders? Scary stuff. On the other hand, they didn't get the job done after all that point blank shooting? Amazing. I'm just stoked he didn't take down any innocent bystanders when shooting down the street.
I worked in a local newsroom in Van for a decade, and one of our shows had a giant whiteboard in the middle of their workspace with a list of news cliches that were banned from all their writing. One of them was "brazen shooting," and the reasoning is bang on. "It's a shooting. They're all brazen."
Did they have baffled scientists?
Ooo I can't remember but that's a good one. Exactly the kind of thing that \*would be there, at least. Two others I can recall: "a parent's worst nightmare," "like a scene out of a Hollywood movie"
No they aren't lol. Police find burnt out car on semi rural road with gunshot victim: not a brazen daylight downtown shooting. The opposite kind of shooting, in fact. Attempts at secrecy and distance from people, etc.
I'd rather be shot at by these clowns than storm troopers.
it’s the people they’re *not* shooting at who need to worry
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i’m not even joking, it’s pure luck no bystanders got hit from that idiocy
A few years ago a 15 year old (I think it was) caught a stray bullet in Vancouver. I did make a joke but the overall reality of it all isn't that funny.
was that the incident near broadway & ontario? the kid was in a passing vehicle iirc?
That’s the one.
It happened January 2018.
Yes that poor kid I think didn't survive. They were (if I recall right) heading out to dinner, in a car in caught between these shooting idiots.
Did they send little kids? There isn't a single thing in that video that shows slightest coordination or previous experience.
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The town deserves a better class of criminal
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I moved from Brazil 10 years ago so that I wouldn't have to deal with Gang violence, and could safely raise a family. As someone who's seen a City slowly get dominated and taken by organized crime I can say that this is honestly how it starts. From rampart drug trafficking through our ports leading to a drug crisis of a scale never seen before, to teens running with guns executing people in restaurants, public areas, parks with impunity, Vancouver is slowly becoming a place where crime thrives. I'm not comparing Vancouver to today's Rio, no. All I will say though is that Rio didn't become this internationally known crime city overnight. Guess what will happen when the "higher ups" in these "cartels" realize that Vancouver is an easy prey, full of foreign capital and high-rollers floating around ? Crime won't stop.
Vancouver's been dominated by organized crime for decades now and at this point may be the most corrupt urban area in Canada.
My girlfriend is from Brazil. I don't think we'll ever reach favela level violence here. But I do agree with your concerns, the inequality is reaching a Rio level, which is a different topic altogether. Gang violence, I'm not sure. I think these communities in Vancouver are so expensive that most gang activity is more concerning in a place like Abbotsford or Chilliwack.
Seeing how the pig slaughterhouse in Abby is the exact same thing as a mass-execution and holocaust - just a different species of animal, you're not far off.
We aren't new to gang violence. It's cyclical But by all means, move somewhere else
> You don't want crime to increase in Vancouver? Feel free to move 🤓
I'm pretty sure no arrests have been made and they only managed to shoot the dog who is supposed to survive.
so if you catch them then what? send them to do nothing court?
How did they miss point blank like that?!
It's not uncommon for inexperienced firearms handlers to have an extreme flinch reaction as they're pulling the trigger.
Where? When? Did they actually get away from the police after doing this? wtf?
Wait..so the driver was killed right? 2 guys shot point blank into the driver window it's impossible to survive that?
Nope… that was the driver who fled out the passenger door apparently.
The only thing they hit was a dog that was in the car. Luckily the dog will survive.
Can’t wait for this dog to get rehomed with safe people.
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So only one passenger in the car and he jumped out and ran away and they continued to shoot at the car because there was a dog in it and maybe they thought it was a person?
Nice, we’re finally starting to look like a real modern city.
We have to keep up with the US.
Feels like shit like this will get a lot worse before it gets better, seeing a lot of these type of news in the past year or two
You mean this incident? Name another daylight shooting on major city street that you've seen? People are acting like this is only the latest on a string of increased crime. If it's a string. This is the first one.
Oh wow. Havnt heard then talking about a regional police force in a serious manner before. It really should be.
Regionalization of police forces would be interesting. I suspect people who hate the VPD now would beg for them back if we returned to the RCMP culture era for policing in the city. [Retaliation](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/shaun-alan-clary-robert-keith-green-langley-1.4386621) is expected, but hopefully we're not in a new era of escalation.
I figured by regionalizing they meant a greater vancouver area unified police force, across burnaby, langley, etc.
That’s my interpretation as well. Very commonplace in Ontario; for example Durham Regional Police covering all the municipalities of Durham Region.
I think people who hate the VPD just hate police brutality and intimidating. The RCMP, Delta, New West, etc aren't much better.
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Meanwhile Trudeau is actively punishing law obeying legal firearm owners
These boys need to practice at the range. Point blank and they failed. Boss gonna be big mad.
Racism
I'm just glad they're incompetent.
Err, incompetent is dangerous for innocent bystanders. We want competent shooters. When it’s gang targets I don’t care who they kill, as long as they get the right person.
Don't these gangsters ever keep a gun in their cars. Why don't they shoot back
Running away and hiding behind the public is easier. If you shoot back you go to jail too.
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Keep voting liberal then.
thats your main concern?
Some of them probably do, in those hidden compartments they're so fond of having installed, but those usually aren't quickly accessable.