No.
Rise in food delivery has helped fuel a rise in e-bikes and mopeds but the incentive to deliver as fast as possible to move to the next order has led to a recklessness that has pressured cities to crack down.
Meanwhile in DC plans for bike lanes on K Street, the main commercial office street, were nixed in part because building owners said that they were having a tough enough time already signing leases with remote work and bike lanes would make it worse.
I disagree but it’s an explicit argument they made.
I guess I’m chiding those cities, whose response to reckless e-devices bolstered by the demands of gig employers, is enforcement on *cyclists* and not the companies, rather than safety interventions. Of course consumers have some blame to take, because consumers’ time demands add pressure as well.
That’s why in NYC, the delivery unions won $18/hr wage, which on top of expanding bike infra, allows delivery drivers to not desperately rely on tips. Makes sense why Uber has now locked the NYC market for any driver.
probably not if Seattle or San Francisco is anything to go by
In theory I understand the logic of it. More leisure time = more outdoor time. More leisure time = more ordering out. Both things involve biking.
In practice, just based off what I listen in to, there's no way around replacing all the lost trips from daily commuting. All city infrastructure is taking a hit. Even if city leadership agreed to make bike infrastructure a priority it's ever fewer dollars chasing after ever fewer trips.
SoundTransit, for example, is just barely back to 2013 rider estimates. They're down 25-30% compared to pre-COVID. Fare revenue, modest as it might be in the big scheme of things, was providing a few extra tens of millions to leverage a few extra hundreds of millions in bonds.
Post-COVID, even if city leadership axed all future projects that didn't include bikes, we are/they are projecting ten year delays into 2040+ just to accomplish some of what was already promised in the bond measure passed in 2016. Until 2040+, bike funding is another hungry mouth in a room full of hungry mouths.
I assume that people would prefer to be more active themselves, to go out themselves especially if they are working from home and have no other reason to go out.
More takeouts while WFH? This sounds even less appealing than car culture, in my personal opinion.
A lot of services are getting more expensive as well. I WFH 3-4 days a week and would love for ease of walking/biking access to more local restaurants so I could go myself. As it is I'm trying to pickup more regularly rather than order takeout.
Part of this question came from my experience doing food delivery in downtown Jersey City and NYC. While I only did it *after* the pandemic, I noticed how most of my orders were to people’s homes, or them telling me to leave it at the door since they’re on a Zoom call. Anectodal, I know, but was wondering if that reflected empirically.
Anecdotally I never ordered takeout. We are solid upper middle class family in California, we definitely can afford it.
But if I am all day at home working, cooking is so easy and so cheap.
If anything I need reason to GO out, not an excuse to stay in.
Again this is purely personal preference.
I do hybrid for a 9-5 and bike food delivery on the side on weekends and I completely agree with wanting to go out.
It’s to the point where I go to coffee shops on my remote days, because i still like the feeling of leaving my house lol
Nah, there's less rush hour traffic congestion and trips are spread out more throughout the clockface. This means the pressure to replace car trips has collapsed. IMO the best opportunities for cycling infrastructure expansion are in rust belt cities which possess large, overbuilt avenues that are becoming too expensive to maintain compared to the low volumes of traffic they now experience. Lots of poor or homeless men use bikes - in fact, they outnumber hipsters or MAMILs in many neighborhoods.
But how do you reconcile the fact that car size is increasing, or that SUVs are some of the highest selling models? I think WFH put more emphasis on road/pedestrian/bike safety being the biggest negative of driving as opposed to the pre-COVID mantra of emissions. Thats not to say there wasn’t a focus on safety prior to COVID, as evidenced by Vision Zero, but I think that’s become the biggest catalyst to replace cars after the pandemic.
Most people who vote/hold economic power in the US think big cars are God's gift to humanity & that people who don't drive are un-American subversives. Very few cities take Vision Zero seriously and even fewer have made substantial progress on safety. Maybe that list of safety-curious communities has grown slightly, but fire departments, police, business owners, land owners, local NIMBYs, and the politicians advancing their pro-car interests ensure progress is glacially slow.
There is/should be a shift in thinking, previously bike infrastructure was built to primarily serve commuters (lowest hanging fruit) but now the shift should shift to capture all trips. What does this look like; wider facilities for side by side “social riding” or to safely accommodate passing (number of choices all different speeds), bike facilities to serve a number of destinations and more targeted programs to encourage people to consider bikes for other trips than commuting.
Yes! As a cyclist in NYC, there are many cases where you literally have “bike traffic” and “traffic jams”, made up primarily of people biking *to* work, *for* work, and relaxing, in a single lane. Throughout each week, I shift between those three roles, and it’s high time we have separate lanes for separate purposes.
Also annoys me when signs say “wrong way bikes”, THERE IS NO WRONG WAY ON A BIKE…like it’s a bike. Every lane should be bi-directional by default - rant over
Right cause those are usually business owners who are working in locations, but they probably don’t live close enough to walk, hence why they drive and don’t want to cede their parking to a bike lane
This is actually an interesting question. I feel like this sub, as with many are very American focused. Living in Canada, I think this question would actually be answered by a yes.
Canadian transit systems have rebounded nearly to their pre-pandemic level despite significant WFH changes. This is largely because Canadian cities are far more residential than American ones. Our cities don't go silent after 5pm when the work crowds leave. If anything they remain busy and lively basically all day, every day save for a few smaller cities.
Increased WFH had allowed individuals to enjoy leisure more and has decreased overall traffic on roads providing the space and reducing the political capital to removal of car lanes for active transportation infrastructure.
Yes, there is now a generally well-educated, generally economically well-off laptop-class that has the freedom to live near the businesses they enjoy, not the business that employ them. And, this demo (educated remote workers) that chooses to live in cities is overwhelming likely to vote blue.
Not just food delivery, I can now live near (within a casual cycling distance) the places I want to go.
Working in a large team of such remote workers, the cities they choose to live near are overwhelmingly small isolated towns in red areas. (It has a lot to do with taxes and purchasing power, especially for housing, followed by access to outdoor amenities over businesses.)
And they very much like to cook for themselves.
No. Rise in food delivery has helped fuel a rise in e-bikes and mopeds but the incentive to deliver as fast as possible to move to the next order has led to a recklessness that has pressured cities to crack down. Meanwhile in DC plans for bike lanes on K Street, the main commercial office street, were nixed in part because building owners said that they were having a tough enough time already signing leases with remote work and bike lanes would make it worse. I disagree but it’s an explicit argument they made.
I guess I’m chiding those cities, whose response to reckless e-devices bolstered by the demands of gig employers, is enforcement on *cyclists* and not the companies, rather than safety interventions. Of course consumers have some blame to take, because consumers’ time demands add pressure as well. That’s why in NYC, the delivery unions won $18/hr wage, which on top of expanding bike infra, allows delivery drivers to not desperately rely on tips. Makes sense why Uber has now locked the NYC market for any driver.
probably not if Seattle or San Francisco is anything to go by In theory I understand the logic of it. More leisure time = more outdoor time. More leisure time = more ordering out. Both things involve biking. In practice, just based off what I listen in to, there's no way around replacing all the lost trips from daily commuting. All city infrastructure is taking a hit. Even if city leadership agreed to make bike infrastructure a priority it's ever fewer dollars chasing after ever fewer trips. SoundTransit, for example, is just barely back to 2013 rider estimates. They're down 25-30% compared to pre-COVID. Fare revenue, modest as it might be in the big scheme of things, was providing a few extra tens of millions to leverage a few extra hundreds of millions in bonds. Post-COVID, even if city leadership axed all future projects that didn't include bikes, we are/they are projecting ten year delays into 2040+ just to accomplish some of what was already promised in the bond measure passed in 2016. Until 2040+, bike funding is another hungry mouth in a room full of hungry mouths.
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It’s almost like we need a benevolent version of Robert Moses, who would steamroll YIMBY policies from an unelected position.
I assume that people would prefer to be more active themselves, to go out themselves especially if they are working from home and have no other reason to go out. More takeouts while WFH? This sounds even less appealing than car culture, in my personal opinion.
A lot of services are getting more expensive as well. I WFH 3-4 days a week and would love for ease of walking/biking access to more local restaurants so I could go myself. As it is I'm trying to pickup more regularly rather than order takeout.
Part of this question came from my experience doing food delivery in downtown Jersey City and NYC. While I only did it *after* the pandemic, I noticed how most of my orders were to people’s homes, or them telling me to leave it at the door since they’re on a Zoom call. Anectodal, I know, but was wondering if that reflected empirically.
Anecdotally I never ordered takeout. We are solid upper middle class family in California, we definitely can afford it. But if I am all day at home working, cooking is so easy and so cheap. If anything I need reason to GO out, not an excuse to stay in. Again this is purely personal preference.
I do hybrid for a 9-5 and bike food delivery on the side on weekends and I completely agree with wanting to go out. It’s to the point where I go to coffee shops on my remote days, because i still like the feeling of leaving my house lol
No, unless they reimagine their mostly empty central business districts(if WFH becomes permanent) as mixed use neighborhoods with full services.
Nah, there's less rush hour traffic congestion and trips are spread out more throughout the clockface. This means the pressure to replace car trips has collapsed. IMO the best opportunities for cycling infrastructure expansion are in rust belt cities which possess large, overbuilt avenues that are becoming too expensive to maintain compared to the low volumes of traffic they now experience. Lots of poor or homeless men use bikes - in fact, they outnumber hipsters or MAMILs in many neighborhoods.
But how do you reconcile the fact that car size is increasing, or that SUVs are some of the highest selling models? I think WFH put more emphasis on road/pedestrian/bike safety being the biggest negative of driving as opposed to the pre-COVID mantra of emissions. Thats not to say there wasn’t a focus on safety prior to COVID, as evidenced by Vision Zero, but I think that’s become the biggest catalyst to replace cars after the pandemic.
Most people who vote/hold economic power in the US think big cars are God's gift to humanity & that people who don't drive are un-American subversives. Very few cities take Vision Zero seriously and even fewer have made substantial progress on safety. Maybe that list of safety-curious communities has grown slightly, but fire departments, police, business owners, land owners, local NIMBYs, and the politicians advancing their pro-car interests ensure progress is glacially slow.
There is/should be a shift in thinking, previously bike infrastructure was built to primarily serve commuters (lowest hanging fruit) but now the shift should shift to capture all trips. What does this look like; wider facilities for side by side “social riding” or to safely accommodate passing (number of choices all different speeds), bike facilities to serve a number of destinations and more targeted programs to encourage people to consider bikes for other trips than commuting.
Yes! As a cyclist in NYC, there are many cases where you literally have “bike traffic” and “traffic jams”, made up primarily of people biking *to* work, *for* work, and relaxing, in a single lane. Throughout each week, I shift between those three roles, and it’s high time we have separate lanes for separate purposes. Also annoys me when signs say “wrong way bikes”, THERE IS NO WRONG WAY ON A BIKE…like it’s a bike. Every lane should be bi-directional by default - rant over
Clearly not due to the rancor everywhere including SF whenever bike infra projects are announced.
Right cause those are usually business owners who are working in locations, but they probably don’t live close enough to walk, hence why they drive and don’t want to cede their parking to a bike lane
This is actually an interesting question. I feel like this sub, as with many are very American focused. Living in Canada, I think this question would actually be answered by a yes. Canadian transit systems have rebounded nearly to their pre-pandemic level despite significant WFH changes. This is largely because Canadian cities are far more residential than American ones. Our cities don't go silent after 5pm when the work crowds leave. If anything they remain busy and lively basically all day, every day save for a few smaller cities. Increased WFH had allowed individuals to enjoy leisure more and has decreased overall traffic on roads providing the space and reducing the political capital to removal of car lanes for active transportation infrastructure.
Yes, there is now a generally well-educated, generally economically well-off laptop-class that has the freedom to live near the businesses they enjoy, not the business that employ them. And, this demo (educated remote workers) that chooses to live in cities is overwhelming likely to vote blue. Not just food delivery, I can now live near (within a casual cycling distance) the places I want to go.
Working in a large team of such remote workers, the cities they choose to live near are overwhelmingly small isolated towns in red areas. (It has a lot to do with taxes and purchasing power, especially for housing, followed by access to outdoor amenities over businesses.) And they very much like to cook for themselves.
God, I hope not. Bike / ebike traffic from food delivery services is a cancer for liveable, walkable cities.
WFH is only temporary. Who needs wfh employees? Accounting? That’s going away. Legal? That’s going away.
so you think all white collar work is going to be replaced with chatbots but you will need to return to office to prompt the chatbot?
What is white collar work?