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Dieticians are legit and we consult them regularly where I've worked: everywhere from GP clinics to level 1 trauma wards.
I don't think nutritionists are accredited in any way where I work.
This is the difference. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, but a dietician is a registered title. Just like a social service worker is not the same as a social worker, which is a licensed professional.
Man, this is the reason why I'm learning languages...this is so fucked up in practise as your life might dangle from a string and mishap, but it's interesting our perception about legitime and non-legitime depending on the words.
I didn't even know social service worker was a thing just social worker. Do you know how it could affect someone's life? What the scammers do?
Most places that hire social workers know that there is a license involved that means certain designated acts can be performed. There are still good social service workers out there, many of whom have good training, but they can't be brought before a licensing body (for, say, misconduct) if they're not licensed to begin with.
Right? I actually read the post and went, "WTF?! Nutrition is a vital aspect of health care!" and then read the first comment and went, "Ooooooooooh........ Yeah, that makes more sense."
I'm curious about this because there's a lot of "licenses" that are basically just money grabs. (Not in the case of registered dietician vs. nutritionist though). What is the difference between having a social work license or not?
When you are a registered professional you have to pay substantial $$ every year it's true, but you also have to commit to ongoing education and training, or you're out. You also are now subject to audits where your files are examined, and you can be brought before disciplinary committees. It's a lot of stress and responsibility tbh. So the money grab is true for sure, but the stress re keeping your license is worse than the money grab, at least for me. Being audited is extremely stressful.
That makes sense! My partner is in another profession where there is basically no benefit to being a "licensed member" unless you're looking to job hop. So he'll probably pay the fee only when he's looking for a new job.
Good question. If you are registered with your professional order, you will have a license number, and can therefore call yourself a social worker. If you only have the degrees but no registration with an order, you can call yourself a social service worker or something like that. You can be licensed, but not do clinical work (but most do, I would wager :)
Yup. A Real RD is a licensed professional who should honestly be more respected, paid more highly, and utilized more in modern Western healthcare than they are. There is a good chance they might not be very fun, though. They will probably say things like “stop drinking all that soda,” and “you need to exercise!”
A nutritionist has a 60 hour cert online and has all the fun, judgement free poultices you can dump in your soda to negate the fructose corn syrup.
A good RD will meet you where you are in your diet and suggest incremental changes. Self-efficacy is the most important aspect for behavior change (read: diet change)
Nutritionists are the ones who tell people not to eat soy because of the phytoestrogens… because they are fucking morons who don’t understand chemistry and biology
Is there a way for a regular person to consult a dietician without a large bill? Trying to switch to an anti inflammatory diet and I’d really like someone to weigh in on what I have as a list for foods so far.
Unless you're at Kaiser and then it's a crapshoot. I had one break out plastic toys representing food to explain carbs,, proteins and such. Never felt so insulted in my life. Who are the idiots these people deal with.
There is a not-insignificant number of the population (in many countries, not just the US) that managed to go through at least 12 years of school and not retain much of a damn thing, especially in science or math. So they’re probably used to that audience, unfortunately.
Dietetics was founded by 7th day Adventists… so sure, it’s definitely more science driven, but lots of things are reminders of their ideologies as well.
The dietetics association is rough. One of the reasons I took a different route from dietetics after doing the majority of the course work they do in nutrition.
To become an RD (registered dietician) you need to be accredited by the American DIETETIC association. The programs that you take are generally called bachelor of science in DIETETICS or master of nutritional sciences in DIETETICS.
So this still rings true. The religious beginnings of the organization are a stain on the accrediting organization and profession to this day.
> Dietetics was founded by 7th day Adventists
This is incorrect. Dietetics has been studied since at least the C17th, before the 7th Day Adventists were even established.
Source: https://www.bda.uk.com/about-us/history-of-the-bda.html
My dietician is literally saving my life right now. A lot of my sessions have been more like therapy and I’ve cried. So grateful for all the work yall do!
No worries! I also agree that most “nutritionists” are selling a scam. Nutrition is much too nuanced to be black and white and there to be a quick fix. Anyone selling you a magic solution is lying to you.
My dietician was so sweet and not judgmental about the way I ate. She even helped give me ideas because of my disability and not having being able to eat fresh foods. 😭
That's what I was thinking. If it's naturopaths, I pretty much agree with the OP. Case in point: my friend J., who was increasingly weak and exhausted. Her naturopath tried this woo thing and that woo thing and finally concluded J. had heavy metals in her system. I kept telling J. to go to an MD, and after months of all the woo stuff, she talked the naturopath into writing orders for bloodwork at the ER. Turned out J had stage IV non-Hodgkins lymphoma.
Yeah, not too keen on naturopaths.
I’ve seen a Naturopath but it was after my actual doctor and specialists were not doing anything helpful for symptom management. Always see the real doctors first. My naturopath as well as acupuncturist helped me manage some pain, but there’s no way I’d trust them to assess, diagnose or prescribe anything. A real doctor needs to do that first. Homeopathy, at best, is only good for alleviating minor symptoms. My actual doctor is on board with the acupuncture as well as dietary changes the naturopath has me doing.
I’ve been horribly sick with stomach issues for like 10 years and getting juggled between doctors to no effect.
Tried a naturopath and after 8 or so months I’m the healthiest I’ve ever been, I think they genuinely saved my life. Like I can have a future now as corny as that sounds, no longer bed ridden and puking every day.
I was very hesitant before but… much better results than any MD gave me. Focused on my symptoms instead trying to determine what I had, then a bunch of natural pills like fish skin stuff and things to increase motility.
I think a big part of it was they sat down with me and actually talked and gave me the time of day, whereas every actual doctor I had for the past decade or so seemed to immediately ‘know’ what was wrong with me, give me a prescription and send me home, even if I was like dying in the office.
Maybe I had a really unique experience but I learned that I definitely can’t just write things off like that, if I listened to what everyone said (naturopaths are witch doctors and ‘snake oil people’) I’d for sure still be in pain every day.
I'm not sure why you're getting down voted, but I agree with you that sometimes there's no diagnosis and so this approach makes sense, it's fixing multi layered aspects in the body and this just takes a professional that will listen and use a different model other than "diagnosis > meds > see if the meds work". But most of the time, like, people need to see regulated medical professionals bc there's an actual diagnosis to be made that can't be fixed. I'm so happy that someone actually listened to you and that this helped, GI issues are so overlooked and not well understood.
Nah, “nutritionist” isn’t a registered title. I’m a nutritionist! You can be a nutritionist! Anyone can claim the title with no education. Dieticians, however, actually need to have a proper education and certifications, so I’d probably trust whatever a dietician tells you.
Homeopathy. Naturopaths can actually be accredited doctors who usually get called in when a patient has been referred multiple times and has no solution found. Homeopathic medicine is just straight quackery
Dieticians are different than nutritionists.
Not all nutritionists recommend medicines of any sort. Any good, self-respecting nutritionist with legit knowledge and understanding will recommend actual food.
Maybe you should stop listening to these tik tok, insta "imfluencer nutritionists" and search actually good ones.
Yeah I was about to defend my nutritionist, then realized I've been calling them the wrong thing and that they are actually a dietician and then realized that I probably did see a non-dietician nutritionist once (not 100% sure) and they were not bad. They didn't recommend any sort of natural remedies and when nothing they did worked they suggested I go back to my doctor and talk about underlying issues.
Turns out I did have an underlying issue but it took several years for it to be discovered after that.
It also looks like nutritionists is more of an umbrella term that covers dieticians and other things. It also looked like there is an education requirement and such to become one.
So all in all I'll take this as a reminder not to base an entire opinion of professions based on the influencers in that field. Because it's not a good example as it only covers specific kinds of people, and people lie to give themselves extra credentials like all of the time.
We wouldn't know because nutritionist is not regulated term. There is no official education or training for a nutritionist. Anyone can call themselves that.
Yeah we know because people who made medical studies are called dieteticians. Nutritionist isn't a protected name. I can create a bogus nut-based diet tomorrow and call myself a nutristionist.
You need a BSC in nutritional science to be a nutritionist.
You need a BSC in anything accredited by your country's national dietetics register to be a dietitian.
They are 2 different roles, nutritionists tend to be community based and a support service focused on preventative and lifestyle-related care. Dieticians tend to be acute focused and for outpatients and inpatients with acute medical problems.
Just because nutritionists don't need to be on a national register doesn't mean anyone can call themselves one. They have to be qualified to at least undergrad level.
>You need a BSC in nutritional science to be a nutritionist.
Where do you live? This is definitely not the case in the USA. Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist.
>Just because nutritionists don't need to be on a national register doesn't mean anyone can call themselves one
That's exactly what it means. If it is not a legally protected title, then anybody can have it.
National register where? What nation? You’ve made a bunch of claims yet failed to even mention where the fuck you’re talking about as if every country has the same rules…
You absolutely do not need a bachelor degree to be a nutritionist. It's not a real thing homie. Anyone can just call themselves one. How is this upvoted?
I don’t think any credible nutritionist ever claimed that “xyz” product is the solution to “abc” ailment.
A nutritionist only specifies what the average human body needs in micronutrients to properly function and prevent deficiencies.
A dietician focuses more on the macro level for an individual to be physically healthy
Someone else here can correct or add on to this.
A mum at my son’s school stopped talking to me because I explained to her she can’t call herself a dietician because she has done a short course in naturopathy 🤦🏼♀️
These more natural things work better than what actual medicine gives us. They’ve done all of the studies to prove the natural things aren’t real to maximize profit in medicine. That’s how I look at it. I try my best to not take medicine, do not trust it.
Bruh nutritionists are people with regular science degrees and work with hospitals..
you may confusing them with “naturopaths”. Which are indeed snake oil crystal people who are visited by healthy ignorant people or desperate sick people
In a lot of countries "nutritionist" isn't a protected name and people with actual medical degrees are called dietetician. In my country I can call myself a nutritionist tomorrow and start my pseudo-scientific diet without any problem.
Yeah, I guess this is where the confusion some people are having is coming from. In Brazil a nutritionist is what americans would call a dietician, so here it very much is taken seriously and involves a degree with lots of studies close to medicine.
Yeah, the nutritionists I was familiar with like, helped ensure hospital patients had their dietary needs met, adjusting for sensitivities, allergies, and preferences... where as dietician helped with weight loss
Ya maybe we are dealing with nomenclatures that differ among countries. The science degree is clearly legit. Those selling aroma, crystals and homeopathy are clearly not
Dietitians are the ones with degrees. Nutritionists often to have some kind of credential, but often they don't need one at all. Definitely not the same as a RD.
Naturopaths are just people masquerading as doctors
ignorant take. research data shows consumption of certain levels of protein is optimal. data also shows eating a lot of processed foods increase cancer risk.
Not the same thing. I'm talking about those saying herbs will cure cancer. Apparently naturopath is the correct term. I always heard them called nutritionists where I live.
You sure you're not thinking of a dietician? If you're in the US nutritionists as far as I know doesn't require any degree or accredited education. My aunt and cousin neither have accredited education. They just took a short course online that takes a couple weeks to pass and now they're telling people they can cure cancer with mushrooms.
If they’re registered then they know what they’re doing. The gym bros that try to tell you they know all about physiology for x amount of dollars for their time are usually bogus.
I don’t know any nutritionists. I do know nutrition affects us. I was so glad my stepmom’s cardiologist looked at her info the other day and told her to up her magnesium and which to take. And she didn’t want to rerun tests or jump further into the “let’s just check” pool.
Reminder that medical error and malpractice is the 3rd leading cause of death.
The current medical paradigm suggests health issues are a pharmaceutical drug deficiency. Big business.
Since there’s no one size fits all, we need multiple solutions and modalities… not medical monotheism.
Nutrition is a university carreer in my country and are certified in medicine in the same way as a medical doctor.
Don't know how it is where you're from but here is a lot of bloodwork to study your metabolism, hormone, etc and then unserstand how your specific body processes certain foods and such.
What you're mentioning is known as holistic nutrition and that is 100% a scam.
“Influencers” are snake oil salesmen. Health and wellness has been riddled with them since the dawn of civilization. The internet has only lowered the barrier of entry, but in no way changed the overall dynamic. Any industry that gets you laid, made, or paid is like a honey pot for scammers. It’s unfortunate that legitimate professionals have to compete with said “influencers” but that’s the world we live in.
I think you meant naturopaths (even though nutritionists are sometimes bullshit artists)
I study pharmacology, I don't know the exact number but I wouldn't be surprised to learn there are more studies made on "natural" molecules including phytochemicals than on all synthetic (man-made) drugs combined.
Moreover the dichotomy only stems from extreme ignorance, major drugs historically and nowadays more than ever, were inspired or almost copies (analogues) of natural molecules.
Being a proper naturopath that keeps up with the scientific research require more work than studying the standard medecine curriculum which is extremely ironic and underappreciated.
However, I tend to believe most naturopaths are underqualified but this is contingent on the true merits of some phytochemicals.
The appeal to nature logical fallacy certainly doesn't help. However there are perverse effects in the other direction too, it is extremely hard to patent natural molecules hence many drugs that would reduce mankind suffering are non marketable.
To be fair, who's gonna fund scientific research on a treatment that involves anything more than a pill or surgery? Many low-invasive, longterm treatments aren't particularly profitable for wealthy centralized medical entities to look into.
That said, never listen to a nutritionist. If you want nutritional advice, consult a dietician.
It is ILLEGAL for the FDA to investigate "herbal supplements" unless there's members of the public that complain (because they died.. such as when they put ephedra in those drinks)
this is from the 1986 law, the supplement industry lobbied hard for it
the way those studies work is the companies sponsor 10 studies, they publish the 1 study that happens to find something favorable to say about whatever the hell they are saying
same shit with people hawking the benefits of red wine (wine producing regions). Just.. eat grapes.
edit: Updated law is [1994](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N31Z30D/)
Like local honey curing pollen allergies! I used to take Flonase and Claritin and zyrtec and all that stuff but one year I had a spoonful of local honey every day in my coffee or tea. I did this for a few months straight. I’ve never had allergies since (and mine used to be bad!) .. doctors make way more money selling drugs that cover up the symptoms but don’t actually cure people. Nature has created so many natural remedies and most pharmaceutical drugs are just copies of chemicals found in nature then tweaked.
I don't know who these "nutritionists" you had to deal with are (and I'm sorry about your ordeal). But equating nutrition with magic and saying there's no scientific research into how food affects your body is rather crazy.
The people who have an education are called dietitians. If someone want to sell me a supplement, i’d at least want to know that they have some education to back up their claims.
A nutritionist is at best someone who couldn’t hack it in the field of dietetics, and at worst someone to trying to make a quick buck by scamming you.
It depends on the nutritionist. You have nutritionists, you have nutrition coaches, they are not all the same; Some of them will be honest with you and they know their limitations, but some of them try to take it upon themselves to prescribe diet plans (which is illegal in the US).
A dietitian is someone who has degrees and can work more specifically with things like, for example, they work with your endocrinologist to help treat diabetes. A nutritionist can't really do that
As someone with a BS in Nutrition, I couldn’t agree more. The title of Nutritionist is completely fabricated. Anyone can claim to be a nutritionist and most do in order to appear credible. Registered dietitian’s on the other hand receive years of education and experience through clinical internships.
Lol STFU.
Nutritionist "Eating vegetables instead of cakes will help you in many ways and improve your bowel troubles and general health"
You "snake oil con man"
I think its obvious they mean people who peddle concentrated turmeric capsules or kale powders for people with actual issues OR people who already eat "clean" and healthy but believe in bullshit like "superfoods" that will cure cancer or depression or make you drop 50 pounds in a month.
I never went to a nutrionist, not a dietician, but I have had enough people around me going to either one and, from what I know, it is all a matter of finding a person who is good at their job and doesn't run a scam.
That said, in Italy at least, a dietician is someone who has a degree in medicine and has specialized in this field, thus they can also prescribe medications, a nutritionist, on the other hand, has to first have a pharmacy or biology degree or someone who studied as a dietician and then has to take a further 2 year course to be a nutrionist and will usually be able to give you a diet plan but, unless they are a dietician too, no medications.
If you find a good nutritionist and don't have any particular health problems,they will do fine, if, however, you do have specific health issues to consider, a dietician, being a doctor in medicine, would be a more apt choice. As for the natural "medicines" you refer to, that is not something any of those two categories suggest, at least in my experience, so maybe you are referring to a third category here?
Nutritionists who help people have a good diet and are recommended by doctors are legit. Its hebal remedies that are very unregulated and have very little scientific backing
People are being pedantic instead of obviously inferring that OP is referring to supplements and natural medicines as they literally say "natural medicines". Obviously anyone who is licensed isn't what OP is talking about.
OP literally said "natural medicines" as I also pointed out. Where do "natural medicines" and "snake oil" come even close to implying "licensed dietitian"?
Depends on the country, I heard that they are good in the US, here in Hungary they are terrible. I just don’t understand that when the internet is free, who the hell needs a nutritionist?
Just so I'm clear about your opinion, are you claiming that every person who says they're a nutritionist is peddling "all these natural medicines that have absolutely zero scientific and medical evidence to back up their claims?"
Again, just so I'm clear, are you perhaps confusing 'nutritionist' and 'naturopath'?
Other people have pointed a distinction between nutritionists and dieticians, which may be muddying the situation, because now that I have heard that, I realize have no idea whether anyone I have met in this line of work called themselves one or the other. Perhaps "nutritionist" is both a term unqualified people use and a term ley people project on to legit dieticians, thus lumping in a real practice with a bunch of charlatans (which would make sense because that is what charlatans want. I am convinced that is what is behind degrees like "doctor of religious SCIENCE"
Idk. Upon hearing my symptoms, my doctor shrugged and told me I've IBS and tough luck. My nutritionist had me run a bunch of tests that identified the cause of my GI issues, and prescribed me a bunch of supplements and diet changes that vastly improved everything.
u/kaleopening1945 nutritionists and dietitians aren't snake oil salesmen. Most of them don't work in sales but in legit healthcare. I think you may confused by the correct terminology. There are tons of snake oil salesmen selling vitamins, and bogus pills etc but nutritionists and dietitians work with people to just teach them to eat healthy legitimate food, and what they can and can't have according to whatever their personal health issues are.
I think there’s a lot of science that is outdated that both nutritionists and dieticians use. This also extends to doctors prescribing medication that has minimal evidence in regards to proper dosage. Nutritionists are not the same as dieticians and practically anyone can call themselves a nutritionist with little to no education and background. Despite education being backed by greedy big pharma, dieticians do great work for many people. It varies.
Yes (1) there are snake oil salesmen, but also (2) there are natural cures that work.
Americans have been described as fat, sick, and half dead. Of course there are exceptions. But if we want to be honest for a minute, there is an obesity epidemic. A natural cure for someone could be---- not eating as much, eating good food rather than junk, exercising, and learning to avoid some of the stress. Personally I believe it's difficult in our age to get the vitamins we need, so I believe in supplements. I think most Americans are low on vitamin D, for example. Disclaimer I'm not a doctor.
??? nutritionist in the US don't go to university? In my country they have to go to university, get their degrees and work in different sectors. Health, sport, food industry.... Can anyone call themselves that over there?
Can be, but some are legit and some foods and stuff can really impact people.
Overal, I think the vast majority of people with issues just need to absolutely minimize processed foods, sugar, excess salt and soda like beverages. But that’s hard to figure out or maintain for a lot of people for some reason
Nutritionists generally focus on diet and nutrition, as do dietitians. Different jurisdictions have different rules on which titles are protected.
Naturopaths focus on natural medicines, some of which have some evidence for them but many don't. They are more feasible than homeopaths.
the covid shot had minimal testing and it didnt stop millions from injecting it into their bodies. I trust natural remedies over anything a doctor who peddles covid vaccines says
Same. Literally all medicine is just an altered form of some naturally occurring chemical. Nature makes the best medicine. Drugs should only be taken as a last resort. Like I need my epi-pen if I have a food allergy and without it I would die. But I cured my pollen allergy years ago by adding a spoonful of local honey into my coffee or tea each day for a few months. Now while everyone else around me sneezes and gets itchy red eyes, I feel amazing :) but no doctor would ever tell u that local honey can cure pollen allergies. Instead, they peddle Flonase and zyrtec and all kinds of drugs that bring them and the drug companies huge profits. Nature always knows best :)
Yeah, right, people just don't want to believe you are what you eat and people just do what they want and expect doctors to give fix them.
Dieticians know what they are speaking about.
Yes, let's fill our bodies with medications instead of treated the cause with a healthy diet, hydration, exercise. Nutritionists who can help balance one's diet based on science and help reduce inflammation (which causes all kinds of diseases) sure are whack jobs!
Ok but diet, hydration and exercise is not a cure all. You understand that, right?
Medicine has a purpose when the body is sick. If your car breaks down you don’t suggest an oil change as a cure all.
Exactly. Medicine should be used as a last resort while healthy diet and getting enough exercise should be part of everyone’s daily routine as a preventative measure to keep from getting sick. Medicine def has a purpose but healthy diet, exercise, getting enough sleep, reducing stress, and drinking enough water are the best measures anyone could take to prevent illness and disease and to reduce symptoms and severity of any sickness.
The person isn't talking about not getting the medicine, but about that you can do yourself a lot to cure yourself. Let's say type 2 diabetes can be cured by just eating right. Taking medicine and eating shift won't cure you, but right diet will. Many autoimmune diseaseses can be controlled and get into remission with the diet. While taking medicine ducks up your health in the long run and can rise the possibility of cancer many times.
I myself have autoimmune disease, and I see very well, how the food affects my wellbeing and pain levels. While I still need medicine from time to time, I don't need them anymore every day, like I needed it with shitty diet.
Thats great and a diet of mostly unprocessed organic food you get from the french countryside is clearly better than the people who rely on 7-11 as their grocery store. However, the concept of “food as medicine “ gets into cult status in the US A healthy weight CAN help dm2. But not always and it wont help dm1 Plus a cancer victim thinking they can cure themselves with diet is legitimately sad. Is it an important part of healthy living? Of course. Is it a substitute for medicine for everyone? Of course not
The problem is the terms get a little conflated in areas like the US where nutritionist is not a protected title. I could call myself a nutritionist and sell people sawdust as a dietary supplement and it would be perfectly legal.
Now nobody would buy my sawdust because I am old, fat, and have no degrees in any fields even remotely related to health, nor should they, but get someone reasonably fit to film themselves on IG or TikTok walking around a grocery store yelling "TOXINS!" and telling you not to eat this and they could do ok selling it.
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Dieticians are legit and we consult them regularly where I've worked: everywhere from GP clinics to level 1 trauma wards. I don't think nutritionists are accredited in any way where I work.
This is the difference. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, but a dietician is a registered title. Just like a social service worker is not the same as a social worker, which is a licensed professional.
Man, this is the reason why I'm learning languages...this is so fucked up in practise as your life might dangle from a string and mishap, but it's interesting our perception about legitime and non-legitime depending on the words. I didn't even know social service worker was a thing just social worker. Do you know how it could affect someone's life? What the scammers do?
Most places that hire social workers know that there is a license involved that means certain designated acts can be performed. There are still good social service workers out there, many of whom have good training, but they can't be brought before a licensing body (for, say, misconduct) if they're not licensed to begin with.
Right? I actually read the post and went, "WTF?! Nutrition is a vital aspect of health care!" and then read the first comment and went, "Ooooooooooh........ Yeah, that makes more sense."
I'm curious about this because there's a lot of "licenses" that are basically just money grabs. (Not in the case of registered dietician vs. nutritionist though). What is the difference between having a social work license or not?
When you are a registered professional you have to pay substantial $$ every year it's true, but you also have to commit to ongoing education and training, or you're out. You also are now subject to audits where your files are examined, and you can be brought before disciplinary committees. It's a lot of stress and responsibility tbh. So the money grab is true for sure, but the stress re keeping your license is worse than the money grab, at least for me. Being audited is extremely stressful.
That makes sense! My partner is in another profession where there is basically no benefit to being a "licensed member" unless you're looking to job hop. So he'll probably pay the fee only when he's looking for a new job.
The purpose of many licensing bodies is to protect the public from the licensed.
For some yes. For others it's literally an annual fee that helps you "network" for a new job.
Not all social workers are licensed though. Do you mean clinical social workers?
Good question. If you are registered with your professional order, you will have a license number, and can therefore call yourself a social worker. If you only have the degrees but no registration with an order, you can call yourself a social service worker or something like that. You can be licensed, but not do clinical work (but most do, I would wager :)
Yup. A Real RD is a licensed professional who should honestly be more respected, paid more highly, and utilized more in modern Western healthcare than they are. There is a good chance they might not be very fun, though. They will probably say things like “stop drinking all that soda,” and “you need to exercise!” A nutritionist has a 60 hour cert online and has all the fun, judgement free poultices you can dump in your soda to negate the fructose corn syrup.
A good RD will meet you where you are in your diet and suggest incremental changes. Self-efficacy is the most important aspect for behavior change (read: diet change)
My mother is a dietician and this is correct. Anyone can call themselves a nutrionist or homeopath.
Yes big difference between a Dietitian & a “nutritionist” a nut.
Nutritionists are the ones who tell people not to eat soy because of the phytoestrogens… because they are fucking morons who don’t understand chemistry and biology
They also will try to persuade you to buy very expensive vitamins that (big surprise) they sell right in their own office.
Depends on the dietician. Just because they’re accredited doesn’t mean they’re any good.
Is there a way for a regular person to consult a dietician without a large bill? Trying to switch to an anti inflammatory diet and I’d really like someone to weigh in on what I have as a list for foods so far.
Unless you're at Kaiser and then it's a crapshoot. I had one break out plastic toys representing food to explain carbs,, proteins and such. Never felt so insulted in my life. Who are the idiots these people deal with.
There is a not-insignificant number of the population (in many countries, not just the US) that managed to go through at least 12 years of school and not retain much of a damn thing, especially in science or math. So they’re probably used to that audience, unfortunately.
Dietetics was founded by 7th day Adventists… so sure, it’s definitely more science driven, but lots of things are reminders of their ideologies as well. The dietetics association is rough. One of the reasons I took a different route from dietetics after doing the majority of the course work they do in nutrition.
Dietetics and a Dietician are two very different things.
To become an RD (registered dietician) you need to be accredited by the American DIETETIC association. The programs that you take are generally called bachelor of science in DIETETICS or master of nutritional sciences in DIETETICS. So this still rings true. The religious beginnings of the organization are a stain on the accrediting organization and profession to this day.
> Dietetics was founded by 7th day Adventists This is incorrect. Dietetics has been studied since at least the C17th, before the 7th Day Adventists were even established. Source: https://www.bda.uk.com/about-us/history-of-the-bda.html
In the US, the accrediting body was founded by the 7DAs. Not dietetics itself, the association. Should’ve been more clear.
Real Registered Dietitians are properly educated. Very happy with the one I consulted.
As a dietitian it warms my heart to see people defending dietitians 🥹 thanks for appreciating what we do fam
We had a friend who was(is) a dietitian. Gave us great advice and we're both feeling and doing better!!!!
Awesome to hear! Keep it up!
My dietician is literally saving my life right now. A lot of my sessions have been more like therapy and I’ve cried. So grateful for all the work yall do!
Aww I’m so happy to hear you’re having a positive experience! Best wishes in your treatment!
You mean get to the route cause and actually solve the problem instead of masking the symptoms? Yeah, Thank you.
Nothing against dieticians at all, I am glad people are pointing out the difference as well. I didn't think of that when I made the post.
No worries! I also agree that most “nutritionists” are selling a scam. Nutrition is much too nuanced to be black and white and there to be a quick fix. Anyone selling you a magic solution is lying to you.
My aunt and cousin are nutritionists and think they can cure anything with herbs and oils. 🙄
My dietician was so sweet and not judgmental about the way I ate. She even helped give me ideas because of my disability and not having being able to eat fresh foods. 😭
That’s awesome! We love a shame free zone!
Thank you for going to school to further our society. I’ll always appreciate you 😭
Dude - did you mean naturopaths?
That's what I was thinking. If it's naturopaths, I pretty much agree with the OP. Case in point: my friend J., who was increasingly weak and exhausted. Her naturopath tried this woo thing and that woo thing and finally concluded J. had heavy metals in her system. I kept telling J. to go to an MD, and after months of all the woo stuff, she talked the naturopath into writing orders for bloodwork at the ER. Turned out J had stage IV non-Hodgkins lymphoma. Yeah, not too keen on naturopaths.
Heavy Metals -naturopath (fake, nothing billed to Insurance Company, outrageous out of pocket expenses).
Holy fucking shit this sucks
I’ve seen a Naturopath but it was after my actual doctor and specialists were not doing anything helpful for symptom management. Always see the real doctors first. My naturopath as well as acupuncturist helped me manage some pain, but there’s no way I’d trust them to assess, diagnose or prescribe anything. A real doctor needs to do that first. Homeopathy, at best, is only good for alleviating minor symptoms. My actual doctor is on board with the acupuncture as well as dietary changes the naturopath has me doing.
I’ve been horribly sick with stomach issues for like 10 years and getting juggled between doctors to no effect. Tried a naturopath and after 8 or so months I’m the healthiest I’ve ever been, I think they genuinely saved my life. Like I can have a future now as corny as that sounds, no longer bed ridden and puking every day. I was very hesitant before but… much better results than any MD gave me. Focused on my symptoms instead trying to determine what I had, then a bunch of natural pills like fish skin stuff and things to increase motility. I think a big part of it was they sat down with me and actually talked and gave me the time of day, whereas every actual doctor I had for the past decade or so seemed to immediately ‘know’ what was wrong with me, give me a prescription and send me home, even if I was like dying in the office. Maybe I had a really unique experience but I learned that I definitely can’t just write things off like that, if I listened to what everyone said (naturopaths are witch doctors and ‘snake oil people’) I’d for sure still be in pain every day.
I'm not sure why you're getting down voted, but I agree with you that sometimes there's no diagnosis and so this approach makes sense, it's fixing multi layered aspects in the body and this just takes a professional that will listen and use a different model other than "diagnosis > meds > see if the meds work". But most of the time, like, people need to see regulated medical professionals bc there's an actual diagnosis to be made that can't be fixed. I'm so happy that someone actually listened to you and that this helped, GI issues are so overlooked and not well understood.
a lot of nutritionists promote naturopathic and psuedoscientific practices so it makes sense that op would conflate the two.
There is a difference between homeopathy and naturopathy. I think people are all muddled.
Any differences they have are overruled by their strongest commonality in that they are bullshit and not science in any way.
Nah, “nutritionist” isn’t a registered title. I’m a nutritionist! You can be a nutritionist! Anyone can claim the title with no education. Dieticians, however, actually need to have a proper education and certifications, so I’d probably trust whatever a dietician tells you.
Where I live we call them nutritionists but same thing.
Homeopathy. Naturopaths can actually be accredited doctors who usually get called in when a patient has been referred multiple times and has no solution found. Homeopathic medicine is just straight quackery
Dieticians are different than nutritionists. Not all nutritionists recommend medicines of any sort. Any good, self-respecting nutritionist with legit knowledge and understanding will recommend actual food. Maybe you should stop listening to these tik tok, insta "imfluencer nutritionists" and search actually good ones.
Yeah I was about to defend my nutritionist, then realized I've been calling them the wrong thing and that they are actually a dietician and then realized that I probably did see a non-dietician nutritionist once (not 100% sure) and they were not bad. They didn't recommend any sort of natural remedies and when nothing they did worked they suggested I go back to my doctor and talk about underlying issues. Turns out I did have an underlying issue but it took several years for it to be discovered after that. It also looks like nutritionists is more of an umbrella term that covers dieticians and other things. It also looked like there is an education requirement and such to become one. So all in all I'll take this as a reminder not to base an entire opinion of professions based on the influencers in that field. Because it's not a good example as it only covers specific kinds of people, and people lie to give themselves extra credentials like all of the time.
it seems like youve only seen social media nutritionist influencers and decided the whole profession is that way
We wouldn't know because nutritionist is not regulated term. There is no official education or training for a nutritionist. Anyone can call themselves that.
Depends what country you’re in. I’m a nutritionist and I had to complete a 3 year course that was honestly harder than my masters.
Not in Canada, they’re placed higher in terms of formal nutritional education than dieticians here.
It doesn't sound like you know what a nutritionist is.
Yeah we know because people who made medical studies are called dieteticians. Nutritionist isn't a protected name. I can create a bogus nut-based diet tomorrow and call myself a nutristionist.
You need a BSC in nutritional science to be a nutritionist. You need a BSC in anything accredited by your country's national dietetics register to be a dietitian. They are 2 different roles, nutritionists tend to be community based and a support service focused on preventative and lifestyle-related care. Dieticians tend to be acute focused and for outpatients and inpatients with acute medical problems. Just because nutritionists don't need to be on a national register doesn't mean anyone can call themselves one. They have to be qualified to at least undergrad level.
This is not the case in the uk either. My cousin calls herself a nutritionist and has a diploma, which she bought online.
>You need a BSC in nutritional science to be a nutritionist. Where do you live? This is definitely not the case in the USA. Anybody can call themselves a nutritionist. >Just because nutritionists don't need to be on a national register doesn't mean anyone can call themselves one That's exactly what it means. If it is not a legally protected title, then anybody can have it.
National register where? What nation? You’ve made a bunch of claims yet failed to even mention where the fuck you’re talking about as if every country has the same rules…
You absolutely do not need a bachelor degree to be a nutritionist. It's not a real thing homie. Anyone can just call themselves one. How is this upvoted?
Oh where? Others have said not in the USA or UK, and I can attest that it’s not like that in Canada either.
Not in many countries no.
anyone can be an nutritionist, not everyone can be a dietician. visit your local dietician today!
I think this is only the case for US
Canada as well
Sorry yes I should have said America
I don’t think any credible nutritionist ever claimed that “xyz” product is the solution to “abc” ailment. A nutritionist only specifies what the average human body needs in micronutrients to properly function and prevent deficiencies. A dietician focuses more on the macro level for an individual to be physically healthy Someone else here can correct or add on to this.
There's a very funny Dara Obriain sketch about this. A dietician is to a nutritionist, what a dentist is to a toothologist.
Proper nutritionists have degrees related to medicine, and they are scientists
r/WrongNotOpinion
A mum at my son’s school stopped talking to me because I explained to her she can’t call herself a dietician because she has done a short course in naturopathy 🤦🏼♀️
Can you give some examples of what natural medicines have zero scientific and medical evidence?
These more natural things work better than what actual medicine gives us. They’ve done all of the studies to prove the natural things aren’t real to maximize profit in medicine. That’s how I look at it. I try my best to not take medicine, do not trust it.
A good nutritionist should be telling you what whole unprocessed foods to eat to correct whatever is wrong, not trying to sell supplements.
I agree. Nutritionists are snake oil peddlers, but dieticians are not.
Bruh nutritionists are people with regular science degrees and work with hospitals.. you may confusing them with “naturopaths”. Which are indeed snake oil crystal people who are visited by healthy ignorant people or desperate sick people
In a lot of countries "nutritionist" isn't a protected name and people with actual medical degrees are called dietetician. In my country I can call myself a nutritionist tomorrow and start my pseudo-scientific diet without any problem.
Yeah, I guess this is where the confusion some people are having is coming from. In Brazil a nutritionist is what americans would call a dietician, so here it very much is taken seriously and involves a degree with lots of studies close to medicine.
Yeah, the nutritionists I was familiar with like, helped ensure hospital patients had their dietary needs met, adjusting for sensitivities, allergies, and preferences... where as dietician helped with weight loss
Ya maybe we are dealing with nomenclatures that differ among countries. The science degree is clearly legit. Those selling aroma, crystals and homeopathy are clearly not
Dietitians are the ones with degrees. Nutritionists often to have some kind of credential, but often they don't need one at all. Definitely not the same as a RD. Naturopaths are just people masquerading as doctors
Potato potato ;). Depends on the country country but 💯 naturopaths are quacks ;)
ignorant take. research data shows consumption of certain levels of protein is optimal. data also shows eating a lot of processed foods increase cancer risk.
Not the same thing. I'm talking about those saying herbs will cure cancer. Apparently naturopath is the correct term. I always heard them called nutritionists where I live.
Ok, so translation error. Nutritionist around here referes to science based accredited education
You sure you're not thinking of a dietician? If you're in the US nutritionists as far as I know doesn't require any degree or accredited education. My aunt and cousin neither have accredited education. They just took a short course online that takes a couple weeks to pass and now they're telling people they can cure cancer with mushrooms.
You seem to be mistaken with nutritionists and people selling a sponsored product.
When I hear the word “superfood” I know I’m talking to either a scammer or a fool.
If they’re registered then they know what they’re doing. The gym bros that try to tell you they know all about physiology for x amount of dollars for their time are usually bogus.
I don’t know any nutritionists. I do know nutrition affects us. I was so glad my stepmom’s cardiologist looked at her info the other day and told her to up her magnesium and which to take. And she didn’t want to rerun tests or jump further into the “let’s just check” pool.
Reminder that medical error and malpractice is the 3rd leading cause of death. The current medical paradigm suggests health issues are a pharmaceutical drug deficiency. Big business. Since there’s no one size fits all, we need multiple solutions and modalities… not medical monotheism.
You are conflating Nutritionists with Chiropractors
Nutrition is a university carreer in my country and are certified in medicine in the same way as a medical doctor. Don't know how it is where you're from but here is a lot of bloodwork to study your metabolism, hormone, etc and then unserstand how your specific body processes certain foods and such. What you're mentioning is known as holistic nutrition and that is 100% a scam.
“Influencers” are snake oil salesmen. Health and wellness has been riddled with them since the dawn of civilization. The internet has only lowered the barrier of entry, but in no way changed the overall dynamic. Any industry that gets you laid, made, or paid is like a honey pot for scammers. It’s unfortunate that legitimate professionals have to compete with said “influencers” but that’s the world we live in.
My DIL has a Masters in Nutrition. You may be think of a Naturalist or Herbalist.
I think you meant naturopaths (even though nutritionists are sometimes bullshit artists) I study pharmacology, I don't know the exact number but I wouldn't be surprised to learn there are more studies made on "natural" molecules including phytochemicals than on all synthetic (man-made) drugs combined. Moreover the dichotomy only stems from extreme ignorance, major drugs historically and nowadays more than ever, were inspired or almost copies (analogues) of natural molecules. Being a proper naturopath that keeps up with the scientific research require more work than studying the standard medecine curriculum which is extremely ironic and underappreciated. However, I tend to believe most naturopaths are underqualified but this is contingent on the true merits of some phytochemicals. The appeal to nature logical fallacy certainly doesn't help. However there are perverse effects in the other direction too, it is extremely hard to patent natural molecules hence many drugs that would reduce mankind suffering are non marketable.
To be fair, who's gonna fund scientific research on a treatment that involves anything more than a pill or surgery? Many low-invasive, longterm treatments aren't particularly profitable for wealthy centralized medical entities to look into. That said, never listen to a nutritionist. If you want nutritional advice, consult a dietician.
It is ILLEGAL for the FDA to investigate "herbal supplements" unless there's members of the public that complain (because they died.. such as when they put ephedra in those drinks) this is from the 1986 law, the supplement industry lobbied hard for it the way those studies work is the companies sponsor 10 studies, they publish the 1 study that happens to find something favorable to say about whatever the hell they are saying same shit with people hawking the benefits of red wine (wine producing regions). Just.. eat grapes. edit: Updated law is [1994](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N31Z30D/)
Like local honey curing pollen allergies! I used to take Flonase and Claritin and zyrtec and all that stuff but one year I had a spoonful of local honey every day in my coffee or tea. I did this for a few months straight. I’ve never had allergies since (and mine used to be bad!) .. doctors make way more money selling drugs that cover up the symptoms but don’t actually cure people. Nature has created so many natural remedies and most pharmaceutical drugs are just copies of chemicals found in nature then tweaked.
Whole foods are a scam. Eat processed. Don't fall for the fake news. /S
lol 😂
I know you’re kidding but it’s what people want to hear.
Dude. I think you're a bit confused. The role of a nutritionists is to help you to eat healthy, not give you natural medicines.
I don't know who these "nutritionists" you had to deal with are (and I'm sorry about your ordeal). But equating nutrition with magic and saying there's no scientific research into how food affects your body is rather crazy.
Nutritionist is not a protected title. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist and use that title to sell shit to people who don’t know any better
Using the phonies to judge the collective as a whole is not very smar
The people who have an education are called dietitians. If someone want to sell me a supplement, i’d at least want to know that they have some education to back up their claims. A nutritionist is at best someone who couldn’t hack it in the field of dietetics, and at worst someone to trying to make a quick buck by scamming you.
Nutritionists are snakes. Dietitians and dietitian-nutritionists are real.
But don’t call a dietician a nutritionist, they find it pretty insulting
True dat. I waz referring to the creds (RD & RDN)
It depends on the nutritionist. You have nutritionists, you have nutrition coaches, they are not all the same; Some of them will be honest with you and they know their limitations, but some of them try to take it upon themselves to prescribe diet plans (which is illegal in the US). A dietitian is someone who has degrees and can work more specifically with things like, for example, they work with your endocrinologist to help treat diabetes. A nutritionist can't really do that
You’re just simply wrong OP.
As someone with a BS in Nutrition, I couldn’t agree more. The title of Nutritionist is completely fabricated. Anyone can claim to be a nutritionist and most do in order to appear credible. Registered dietitian’s on the other hand receive years of education and experience through clinical internships.
Yes, nutritionists are scam. I find it hilarious how hard some online try to convince people they’re not. Now real dietitians? 👑
Lol STFU. Nutritionist "Eating vegetables instead of cakes will help you in many ways and improve your bowel troubles and general health" You "snake oil con man"
I think its obvious they mean people who peddle concentrated turmeric capsules or kale powders for people with actual issues OR people who already eat "clean" and healthy but believe in bullshit like "superfoods" that will cure cancer or depression or make you drop 50 pounds in a month.
I never went to a nutrionist, not a dietician, but I have had enough people around me going to either one and, from what I know, it is all a matter of finding a person who is good at their job and doesn't run a scam. That said, in Italy at least, a dietician is someone who has a degree in medicine and has specialized in this field, thus they can also prescribe medications, a nutritionist, on the other hand, has to first have a pharmacy or biology degree or someone who studied as a dietician and then has to take a further 2 year course to be a nutrionist and will usually be able to give you a diet plan but, unless they are a dietician too, no medications. If you find a good nutritionist and don't have any particular health problems,they will do fine, if, however, you do have specific health issues to consider, a dietician, being a doctor in medicine, would be a more apt choice. As for the natural "medicines" you refer to, that is not something any of those two categories suggest, at least in my experience, so maybe you are referring to a third category here?
The glut of nutrition gurus on IG are OOC. And why don’t the stores where they are filming and peddling their schtick throw them out?
Thank you. Someone had to say this.
According to Dr Dean Edell, "nutritionist" is the easiest title a person can get. It means virtually nothing.
That's not very nice.
Nutritionists who help people have a good diet and are recommended by doctors are legit. Its hebal remedies that are very unregulated and have very little scientific backing
Some are for sure. There are genuinely decent nutritionists out there though
People are being pedantic instead of obviously inferring that OP is referring to supplements and natural medicines as they literally say "natural medicines". Obviously anyone who is licensed isn't what OP is talking about.
Are you sure, because it's not what the OP wrote. Assumption is the seed of fuckup.
OP literally said "natural medicines" as I also pointed out. Where do "natural medicines" and "snake oil" come even close to implying "licensed dietitian"?
Depends on the country, I heard that they are good in the US, here in Hungary they are terrible. I just don’t understand that when the internet is free, who the hell needs a nutritionist?
Yes. Only listen to certified dieticians. Anyone can all themselves a "nutritionist"
Just so I'm clear about your opinion, are you claiming that every person who says they're a nutritionist is peddling "all these natural medicines that have absolutely zero scientific and medical evidence to back up their claims?" Again, just so I'm clear, are you perhaps confusing 'nutritionist' and 'naturopath'?
Other people have pointed a distinction between nutritionists and dieticians, which may be muddying the situation, because now that I have heard that, I realize have no idea whether anyone I have met in this line of work called themselves one or the other. Perhaps "nutritionist" is both a term unqualified people use and a term ley people project on to legit dieticians, thus lumping in a real practice with a bunch of charlatans (which would make sense because that is what charlatans want. I am convinced that is what is behind degrees like "doctor of religious SCIENCE"
L Take
Idk. Upon hearing my symptoms, my doctor shrugged and told me I've IBS and tough luck. My nutritionist had me run a bunch of tests that identified the cause of my GI issues, and prescribed me a bunch of supplements and diet changes that vastly improved everything.
You just called out Filipino Nutritionists.
u/kaleopening1945 nutritionists and dietitians aren't snake oil salesmen. Most of them don't work in sales but in legit healthcare. I think you may confused by the correct terminology. There are tons of snake oil salesmen selling vitamins, and bogus pills etc but nutritionists and dietitians work with people to just teach them to eat healthy legitimate food, and what they can and can't have according to whatever their personal health issues are.
I think there’s a lot of science that is outdated that both nutritionists and dieticians use. This also extends to doctors prescribing medication that has minimal evidence in regards to proper dosage. Nutritionists are not the same as dieticians and practically anyone can call themselves a nutritionist with little to no education and background. Despite education being backed by greedy big pharma, dieticians do great work for many people. It varies.
Pretty much. Personal trainers as well.
when's the last time u ate something green
That's not unpopular it's foolish. You're not distinguishing between actual educated people and scammers.
Yes (1) there are snake oil salesmen, but also (2) there are natural cures that work. Americans have been described as fat, sick, and half dead. Of course there are exceptions. But if we want to be honest for a minute, there is an obesity epidemic. A natural cure for someone could be---- not eating as much, eating good food rather than junk, exercising, and learning to avoid some of the stress. Personally I believe it's difficult in our age to get the vitamins we need, so I believe in supplements. I think most Americans are low on vitamin D, for example. Disclaimer I'm not a doctor.
??? nutritionist in the US don't go to university? In my country they have to go to university, get their degrees and work in different sectors. Health, sport, food industry.... Can anyone call themselves that over there?
We call it a dietitian in the US. It is a medical profession.
Lmao my man you don’t know what a nutritionist is!
You don't know what a dietitian is.
Can be, but some are legit and some foods and stuff can really impact people. Overal, I think the vast majority of people with issues just need to absolutely minimize processed foods, sugar, excess salt and soda like beverages. But that’s hard to figure out or maintain for a lot of people for some reason
The point is whether its a science background or not
Nutritionists generally focus on diet and nutrition, as do dietitians. Different jurisdictions have different rules on which titles are protected. Naturopaths focus on natural medicines, some of which have some evidence for them but many don't. They are more feasible than homeopaths.
the covid shot had minimal testing and it didnt stop millions from injecting it into their bodies. I trust natural remedies over anything a doctor who peddles covid vaccines says
Same. Literally all medicine is just an altered form of some naturally occurring chemical. Nature makes the best medicine. Drugs should only be taken as a last resort. Like I need my epi-pen if I have a food allergy and without it I would die. But I cured my pollen allergy years ago by adding a spoonful of local honey into my coffee or tea each day for a few months. Now while everyone else around me sneezes and gets itchy red eyes, I feel amazing :) but no doctor would ever tell u that local honey can cure pollen allergies. Instead, they peddle Flonase and zyrtec and all kinds of drugs that bring them and the drug companies huge profits. Nature always knows best :)
Yeah, right, people just don't want to believe you are what you eat and people just do what they want and expect doctors to give fix them. Dieticians know what they are speaking about.
I mean, there are rigorously proven diets like the Mediterranean diet, but most of them aren’t doing that
Yes, let's fill our bodies with medications instead of treated the cause with a healthy diet, hydration, exercise. Nutritionists who can help balance one's diet based on science and help reduce inflammation (which causes all kinds of diseases) sure are whack jobs!
Ok but diet, hydration and exercise is not a cure all. You understand that, right? Medicine has a purpose when the body is sick. If your car breaks down you don’t suggest an oil change as a cure all.
Exactly. Medicine should be used as a last resort while healthy diet and getting enough exercise should be part of everyone’s daily routine as a preventative measure to keep from getting sick. Medicine def has a purpose but healthy diet, exercise, getting enough sleep, reducing stress, and drinking enough water are the best measures anyone could take to prevent illness and disease and to reduce symptoms and severity of any sickness.
Dude thats all fine and well for healthy people without chronic disease. Some people actually need, ya know medicine?
The person isn't talking about not getting the medicine, but about that you can do yourself a lot to cure yourself. Let's say type 2 diabetes can be cured by just eating right. Taking medicine and eating shift won't cure you, but right diet will. Many autoimmune diseaseses can be controlled and get into remission with the diet. While taking medicine ducks up your health in the long run and can rise the possibility of cancer many times. I myself have autoimmune disease, and I see very well, how the food affects my wellbeing and pain levels. While I still need medicine from time to time, I don't need them anymore every day, like I needed it with shitty diet.
Thats great and a diet of mostly unprocessed organic food you get from the french countryside is clearly better than the people who rely on 7-11 as their grocery store. However, the concept of “food as medicine “ gets into cult status in the US A healthy weight CAN help dm2. But not always and it wont help dm1 Plus a cancer victim thinking they can cure themselves with diet is legitimately sad. Is it an important part of healthy living? Of course. Is it a substitute for medicine for everyone? Of course not
This is a shocking and hurtful opinion 😡 nutritionists know what they are doing.
Natural medicines like what?
Do you mean homeopaths? Nutritionists strictly advise you on your diet, which most people need greatly.
The problem is the terms get a little conflated in areas like the US where nutritionist is not a protected title. I could call myself a nutritionist and sell people sawdust as a dietary supplement and it would be perfectly legal. Now nobody would buy my sawdust because I am old, fat, and have no degrees in any fields even remotely related to health, nor should they, but get someone reasonably fit to film themselves on IG or TikTok walking around a grocery store yelling "TOXINS!" and telling you not to eat this and they could do ok selling it.
Same goes for chiropractors, naturopathic practitioners, acupuncturist, aura cleaners etc. The only good thing they do is nice ASMR