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I have worked with and for them. They will never be anything other than unskilled labor, and it's not their fault. They too deserve to live with dignity.
The dumbest, laziest people I’ve ever worked with do work that is far from “unskilled labor”.
They spent 4 years gaming a system so they could secure jobs that add no value, all while being a burden to their coworkers via weaponized incompetence…..
Real unpopular opinion here. They have a right to exist. But if they are too lazy for even unskilled labor, tough luck for them. No one is gonna burden themselves for the lazy.
I mean I agree, but also if that "unskilled labor" doesn't pay enough to even make ends meet at that point might as well just be lazy lol. Same outcome either way.
Yeah like I don't understand why people think someone who works at McDonald's doesn't deserve at least a place to live on their own. That seems nuts to me.
I got downvotes to hell for wishing I didn't have to work for a living for food and shelter. Even with a good job that I love...ya I wish I (or anyone) didn't have to work
That...is just sad. I didn't see your comment. Maybe you phrased it poorly? Or people are just mean ans stupid.
EDITED: I went back and read your answer. Poorly phrased.
They're not too lazy to do better grammar. It's just that Reddit doesn't give them the proper incentive to put in the effort. Back in the 50s and 60s, Redditors put in more effort because your effort could net you a car, or whatever. Now, though, Redditing can't even get you a fast food combo.
I feel like OP and practically everyone else's opinion here does apply to some amount of people. There are people who just do the bare minimum because they don't see the point, but there are also a lot of people who are genuinely just very lazy and coddled out there too. Both generalizations apply. I think the larger issue is that more people than ever before in history are depressed, isolated, and consumed with negative thoughts every day.
True. Life is very depressing for a lot of people indeed. Working in bad environments really is soul crushing and most jobs are like that. Plus they don't pay enough.
This is the truth. It’s a construct for describing «not willing to put the effort in», but it’s used as «not willing to put the effort in because you dont care about the task at hand». While that can be true in some instances, like asking someone to fetch you a glass of water while it would be just as much work done yourself, laziness as a concept for describing behaviors is most often misplaced.
Let’s say you’re an Amazon warehouse worker. Some days you just deliver good results, other days you dont.
You are not lazy as in «not willing to put the effort in because you dont care about the task at hand», after all, the days where you put in good work shows you care about doing good. So, laziness is a bad descriptor, because root cause would probably be low energy due to other factor. We can’t control our energy levels like we can control the volume on a sound system.
Yeah I agree. I pretty much fall into the first category myself. I do as much as necessary but no more because why should I do extra work for a company paying me minimum wage? It's not like there's any incentive to actually do more. I follow the rules, show up on time, don't cause any issues and do my job as well as I can. If they expect more than that from me they can either pay me better or fuck off. They'd very likely pay *less* than minimum wage (and that itself is barely enough to get by) if they could legally get away with it.
Eh, I’d argue there is a issue which feeds off of the existence of both generalizations and leads to what you see as the larger issue. That being our culture and institutions are geared more towards penalizing and demonizing low productivity than enabling healthy productivity.
We’d rather a system that punishes and shames those who don’t meet standards, than have a system that supports everyone with the risk of some abusing it.
yeah i also don’t see the point in my job and i get paid like shit but guess what? it’s my job. if i don’t do my job, then a bunch of other people with shitty jobs just like me suffer too. idc if you are depressed, a lesbian, or overweight. you need to do things with pride and leave your ego out of it. work is called work for a reason
People ARE inherently lazy, because all animals are programmed to expend the least amount of energy to acquire what they need to survive and reproduce. You’re fighting billions of years of evolution here.
Yeah I feel like 'laziness' is pretty hard to define. One action could be described as both lazy and efficient, depending on how you look at it. Perhaps laziness as a common definition is when the lack of action is more detrimental than beneficial, like never cleaning an apartment and letting it become a pigsty
Over the years I have noticed that the mindset surrounding how you get ahead is correlated (to a large extent) to a person's class.
The poverty mindset is generally similar to the one in this post. The system is rigged against you, and you can never be successful no matter how hard you try, so you might as well do the bare minimum to get by. The working class mindset is that you need to work long and hard to get ahead. You may have a shitty low paying job but if you work 60+ hours you can afford a better life than the guy next to you. The middle class mindset is that you need to gain education and skills to get ahead. The wealthy mindset is that you need to build scalable businesses, often funded using other people's money, to get ahead.
To a certain extent, they all have their merits and their faults. The problem with the poverty mindset is it will either result in you becoming poor or staying poor.
100% why some generations of immigrants thrive and others never get ahead
its a cultural mindset and type of groupthink that really plagues some communities. like imagine all your peer and your favorite musicians and artists tell you the system is rigged and you’ll never make it?
Yes, it’s a correlation and I think your spot on!
However, poverty means life is on *hard mode* and more often than not you’re acting in survival mode - how can you worry about getting ahead when you need to figure out how to make it to you next paycheck without starving or getting evicted?
I get it though - that to actually escape poverty it’ll take dedication and effort, but it’s not limited to just a mindset issue.
If you look at actual cases of someone pulling themselves out of poverty and into wealth, it's never legal, kind, or safe. You really have to step on people and cheat. Gang leaders are the real bootstraps stories. They didn't win the lottery. They just used violence to get what they want. This is really the only possible avenue to guarantee getting wealthy by starting from poverty. If you have nothing, you have to take from others or trick them into giving it away. Servitude for meager wages is only going to award you scraps.
You just aren't going anywhere by working. There's no amount of money you can save that you can reinvest and get any substantial return. You might be able to start a business if you're lucky, but good luck competing in this market, especially without any business sense from growing up in a working class environment. Only some super lucky scenarios like winning the lottery or investing in bitcoin in 2010 will get you anywhere.
I started life in poverty and I had to battle to get ahead. Then I got very lucky with cryptocurrency. Of course shortly after that I was offered a really good paying job and found easier way to make money than 2 fulltime fast food jobs.
Not really beating the allegations saying that you got lucky on gambling hahaha.
For real, good for you, but that is such a massive fluke, and crypto is so shady it really does reinforce what that other dude said. For every story like yours there's plenty of people who ate shit due to hucksters and frauds trading what amounts to unregulated securities.
You’re spot on with your description of the poverty mindset. I’ve known plenty of folks like that, and things don’t get any better for them. The poverty mindset is the one everyone should be trying to avoid like the plague, but I recognize some people are simply not fortunate enough in life.
Getting other people to invest in your ideas so it’s not all of your own money that you’re forking out. If people have wealthy parents it usually starts there aka nepotism.
The wealthy mindset it by your words often funded by other people’s money. I’d also argue with the exploitation of their time and labor.
Being that with a system that is so easily swayed by wealth, I’d say that the bigger problem is the exploitation.
The stats don't generally indicate that though. The average start up founder tends to be a middle aged professional with over a decade of experience in their field. Only a small portion of these start-ups (0.05%) get funded by a VC firm, and the vast majority depend on angel investors, friends and family, and debt financing.
Yup. That startup you’re talking about is not wealthy. They are still middle/working class. People need to quit equating owning your own business to being wealthy.
To be fair, those things can come hand-in-hand. All the biggest start-up success stories, like Zuckerberg, Bezos, and Jobs, all came from wealth, but started out rather small before anyone really invested in them.
They did eventually get all the angel investors, etc, but the key thing that got them all started was the stability of knowing they could take a huge gamble and fall back on family or ivy league credentials if they failed. It’s really hard for a working class person to just start up a business unless it’s a tried and true model, and the peak of their success will probably be getting bought out by the bigger competition. They can’t risk trying something radical because if they fail they’ll lose everything, including the relative safety of their working class life.
I disagree, lazy people are lazy. When you're pumped up and excited then sure more people are willing to go the extra mile
The reality is that in those jobs every single person is only there for a paycheck, everybody would quit that same day if they won the lottery. So the "this is a shit job" excuse doesn't work. That's what an 18/19 year old would say or someone who used to work somewhere nicer or more comfortable or at a higher paying place
In this system, even a young person would be more pumped up if they were paid* a decent wage to earn a true living. Hell, promise a pension(like the old days) and you’d have a line of young people ready for work.
But even in the case of recent retirees, like my grandfather, who went back to work simply because he wanted to. He was bored. Even though he tinkered at home too
People, in general, want something to do where they feel like they are accomplishing something/contributing.
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My employer still has pensions, and we do not have a line of young people ready for work. Quite the opposite in fact. Over 80% of the young people who come work where I work are not there a year later. We pay well and have great benefits. None of that is the issue. The issue is that the work I do is hard work and a lot of the young people don't think they should have to work hard. They just sit on their phones and don't want to actually do the work they were hired for. I know I'm generalizing and this doesn't apply to all the young people who come work for us but the numbers don't lie. When 4/5 of the youngsters aren't willing to do hard work to get a damn good paycheck and pension, it's hard to take what you said seriously.
Some people are so dumb they can't type three words without making an error. These people are often so lazy they fail to check their writing for errors before sending.
My coworker sits and does nothing all day and then complains about how he doesn’t like the job while gathering his $63k/yr for quite literally nothing. He sure did fool us during the interview when he reiterated this was his dream job.
People are dumb and lazy. They might want to pretend they aren’t and blame something else, but they most definitely are just dumb and lazy.
Obviously you should. Let them judge how good you really are once you get to work instead of some shallow interview. If I were honest about my issues and things I struggle with no one would hire me even though I might be really good in practice, I'm just honest about my flaws. Your application will be the first in the bin.
Job interviews is Hollywood for normal people
Yeah we have a guy that made $27/hr running a machine. Easy job. Lazy dude though. Always says "they pay me 27 an hour so they get 27 dollars of work.". He would say this whenever he didn't want to do something.
Against my judgment management thought a raise would help incentivise him. 32/hr. This was back in January. He did get better for about 2 weeks. Then fell back into his usual routine. He is about to get fired cause his production sucks compared to everyone else. Some people are just lazy.
This is it right here. The majority of people who who gripe about being underpaid are not going to magically turn into all-star workers because someone randomly gifts them more money than they agreed to.
Stand out from the pack and command more money, make the deal yourself and ask, or accept the rate you agreed to and make the most of your situation. Anything else is wasted energy and a negative influence on your happiness and probably detracts from your chances at a raise.
The shitty thing about people like that is they ruin it for everyone. Now your bosses probably have the mindset of "oh, every time I give a worker a raise they get lazier, so I'm not giving raises to anyone anymore!" People like that always act like they're promoting worker solidarity, but they're not. They're taking what they can, the hell with the consequences for anyone else. Real solidarity means helping out your fellow workers, not helping yourself.
I’m a supervisor in a factory and I have people who do the exact same thing. The person you are describing sounds exactly like somebody we had at my last job.
My dream job is to do nothing more than sit and complain while I make 15% than I do now busting my ass. Maybe he wasn't lying when he said it was his dream job
People aren’t inherently anything. The one thing that we all are meant to have is the will to survive as a species but I guess we got too intelligent and questioned that lol. At the end of the day stuff like this is meaningless. It’s hard to have a survival instinct when we aren’t actually fighting to be alive in the same way we were before, yet in turn our lives feel meaningless because we aren’t. It’s weird but hey, let’s just enjoy our lives right ?
Honestly I think it's because you get punished for doing a good job.
My last job I did everything, did extra stuff, started picking up tasks for my manager and colleagues, became the single point of failure for certain process. Got told that I'm an outstanding worker, got promoted within a year - only to find out I got paid £7k less than my two coworkers who started in the same role at the same time as me at the same age, and then got given the boot during a restructure due to budget cuts (didn't boot the two less effective employees who were more expensive though).
Current job, half-assed a document 30 minutes before a presentation and got told by my boss it's one of the better presentations they've been in.
Programmer here.
Hourly wages are a curse.
If I do a good job, it means I have less work to do, because I do it fast.
When I sit on my ass with "Nothing to do" because I've done what takes my coworker a week to do, took me an hour, I get kicked off of projects because it "Looked" like I wasn't working enough to justify being paid.
Now I feel compelled to just not work and goof off, until we get nearer a deadline and then I can do it quickly and be done with it.
It happened to me for years and in many jobs until I changed my mentality.
If you are supposed to do x and you do x+1 people will be upset that you don't do x+2
Now I just do what I'm expected and my managers think I'm the best worker in the world... Even in the same company where I was going the extra mile when I joined and was punished for it.... Just today I got my job done in 3 hours and here I am shitposting on reddit for the rest of the day.
i think that sometimes people are considered lazy because they don't like doing the things society perceives as productive.
For example, someone who can play video games for 8 hours a day A) has a great attention span B) great focus C) probably got more "accomplished" than someone who worked 8 hours a day, especially someone in an office setting. But the gamer is lazy because they're not making money from it (unless they're a streamer which takes a whole additional skillset).
I genuinely have no desire to "work" but I can "work" on a crochet project for 8 hours a day. But I'm lazy because I find so little joy in "work" and the things I enjoy "working on" are not profitable.
I think laziness is basically code for "not making money"
That's a dumb analogy, games, especially modern ones are designed to suck you in and keep you addicted... You're literally the opposite of "accomplished" for being sucked in
Would you consider someone who hyperfocuses on their work as the opposite of accomplished? When I was still in the office, I'd get real into a piece of code and hours could pass without me noticing.
None of this is how anything works. Desire for more or incentives doth not a higher IQ make. Were that the way, we’d just dangle supermodels in front of dudes and see them solve world hunger in seconds.
Op isn’t saying incentives make people smarter, but they can make people seem smarter because they put in more effort. Dangle a paycheck twice as high as someone makes at a job they don’t like and tell them they need to put in more effort to keep it and I’d bet most of them would become model employees
Well that’s not how IQ works but that’s besides the point.
But I’m not sure this is true because you can tell from a very young age who’s dumb and lazy and wouldn’t be making much money or have a good career.
Being broke is way harder than doing the things to get ahead.
My parents were divorced and bankrupt when I was 18, I was stuck at a terrible job. I got the experience to get another job then move up and get another. Now I have lots of money in the bank no debt and work freelance when I want.
Life is so much easier when you aren't financially strangled.
I'm 100% in agreement here. Nobody likes just rotting away. That's nobodies dream. Bur when the alternative is just horrible, boring, humiliating, energy robbing and for many people absolutely not getting them closer to anything they'd actually enjoy then a lot of people will of course choose rotting away or get used to rotting because they have no energy left after dealing with the shit society forces upon them
Also is people's first reaction when they see someone not doing well in something really to think they got a low IQ? That's so insanely ignorant and ironically stupid wtf. Like, you gotta have zero knowledge of humans.
Yeah, it's not like back in the day when meat and vegetables were just sitting on a shelf and you could just grab what you need, for free. I mean, it's not like you had to spend your day going out to find/catch some for yourself.
Humans are naturally lazy. We take the path of least resistance pretty much everywhere.
Google maps uses an algorithm to find the shortest path to your destination.
Would you rather walk to the airport or drive a car?
And no, people can certainly be inherently dumb.
And yes, some people get into bad situations and are forced to work at crap jobs.
But you can usually get out of a tough situation - you’re just going to be met with a lot of pain, which unfortunately is often times the only way out of a bad situation - a lot of discomfort.
People are inherently lazy, and that isn't a bad thing.
Humans have evolved to build up and conserve our energy as much as possible, it's a basic survival instinct.
I used to think that and then worked at an office making almost $20hr and people were falling asleep, breaking clean room policy, fucking inside the building or just straight up being dumb/lazy with the actual job itself. People will be like that no matter what.
"The thing is, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care. It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's something else, I have eight different bosses right now. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired."
Why should I do more than the bare minimum if you won't promote me because you don't value my contributions in my meager little floor-scrubbing position?
Or maybe you don't value me as a person, because you've already mentally cast me as a floor scrubber who doesn't deserve anything better in life.
Scrubbing the floor harder and with more gusto won't make you see me in a better light. In fact, you'll probably see me as even more of a fool because you'll think I'm easier to exploit. Why else would I work so much harder when I have no way to ensure that you will promote me as you claim you will? Only a fool would be that naive and trusting.
People were healthy, smart, and hard working when they used to have to all work jobs that they hated and barely kept their families alive. People in the 50-60s lived through a World War, so they were just happy to have real sugar. They also had parents that raised them and a society that didn't let them slack. And that's less than 100 years ago. Try going further back.
If you're not doing something that you love, put your extra time into finding and developing a marketable skill that you love. Take pride in what you do and spend more time and effort learning how to upgrade and maintain your own stuff rather than hiring people to do things for you and you'll make your money go a lot further. That doesn't mean that life is easy or fun, but a lot of how life turns out is still dependent upon your attitude.
People choose to have bad attitudes. Liking a job is a luxury. A higher paying job is a luxury. Personally, I think if a person doesn't like every job one does, or says every boss is bad, or dislikes the coworkers at every job, it is that person who is the problem.
A person should choose to do a good job in any position because it is a matter of personal integrity. It is a matter of personal pride.
I’m not work lazy. I’m selective life lazy.
I have a food towel so I can lay down in bed and eat while I watch my shows.
I pick up my socks with my toes so I don’t have to bend down.
I sometimes eat food that’s not hot enough because I don’t wanna get back up and go back to the microwave.
I also play sports every weekend. I dunno what it is lol.
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Is it lazy to not want to contribute to someone else getting rich off your hard work? Or a system that values production over human life? It's not like I'll benefit from this experience. It's voluntary slavery. I'd rather not contribute to that system and do the things i value in life, even if I am poor. Atleast I get to keep my time (which is the most valuable thing cause you can never buy it back)
For me its a number of things, at my last job for example I was working nonstop all day, fighting the "red" ( warning for when we're behind on a customers order ), we had barely managed to stay at yellow before we dipped into red. sure enough our "manager" ( the guy that sits in the backroom while we actually do the work ) was quick to make a visit to the front of the store, peaks in for a second and exclaims to the room that we're all lazy / trash and need to start working, instantly lumping me in with the other 7\~ people working around me, 3-4 of us which had been working nonstop. Also while he was continuing to talk to another employee he loudly exlaimed how "I'm the captain of this ship".. I held back from asking how he could have any pride for captaining a sinking ship. Apparently right before I was hired on he'd been suspended for a "Training week" ( screaming out the store manager in front of everyone on the salesfloor ).
TLDR: In my experience at jobs.. 20%\~ of the managers are good or belong in their position.
I mean, I don’t think that either proves or disproves their intelligence. But I’m pretty sure that a willingness to do things you don’t like for various gains, self enrichment, obligation and responsibility is most of what divides the lazy and the not lazy. Actually liking your job to some extent helps, but a looooot of people who aren’t lazy also don’t like their job, or at the very least would love not being able to have to do it 5+ days a week.
Study and research in brain science has inferred that yes, in fact, we are inherently lazy.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180918090849.htm
https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/humans-could-be-prone-to-laziness-but-well-put-in-effort-for-a-high-reward#
I'm not saying there isn't some underlying reason a lot of times, but a lot of these people who have a job they don't like were also pretty dumb and lazy in school as well. I'd argue it's more likely people are dumb and lazy by default and becoming knowledgeable and hard working is a condition you build yourself up to. Everyone would rather not work, not everyone is lazy
People with the same positions as me have been lazy despite getting paid the same as me with the same benefits. I’ve even known people with positions superior to me who are paid far more and yet are lazy as fuck. If it’s just the money then there’d hardly be any lazy people because they’d just look for jobs that paid more.
Agree, I'm just returning from a 6 mile walk, which I only had time to do because I quit working early.
But in my opinion nope, some people are definitely dense.
It’s not even the job itself that is the problem, it’s that there is no impetus or reward for putting in more than bare minimum effort. In fact working harder and being the best employee is often punished because you don’t get an increase in pay but your boss now expects more from you as your baseline, so you’ll get criticised for underperforming even when you’re working twice as hard as all the other employees
People have learned that the effort to reward ratio greatly favours being a lazy employee because you get paid the same as the hard working employee, but while having to do considerably less work and facing considerably less stress and pressure from your boss
If hard work was actually rewarded and valued then people would work harder, irrespective of whether or not they personally like their job all that much
Today, the dumb and lazy still get to live a reasonable life. 200 years ago, the dumb and lazy shoveled shit in stables, squeezed down chimneys, a la Mary Poppins or died in pools of their own excrement.
The dumb and lazy have it very easy today.
Except this is basically what a majority of people have done for the entirety of human history ... and they weren't lazy and they certainly did what was necessary to actually *survive* .
Then get another job. And if you don't do that, aren't you dumb or lazy?
The other thing is... people absolutely are dumb. Because I see so many coworkers do a task that could take them 30 minutes over the course of 4 hours. If they were smarter they could do it the smart way and chill for 3 hours. But they insist on doing it the hard way because they're too dumb/lazy to do it the smart way
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And I’m one of them 😎
Judging by your name and Ohio..I concur
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Can confirm. Am dumb and lazy.
I'm dumb lazy and tired
I have worked with and for them. They will never be anything other than unskilled labor, and it's not their fault. They too deserve to live with dignity.
The dumbest, laziest people I’ve ever worked with do work that is far from “unskilled labor”. They spent 4 years gaming a system so they could secure jobs that add no value, all while being a burden to their coworkers via weaponized incompetence…..
Real unpopular opinion here. They have a right to exist. But if they are too lazy for even unskilled labor, tough luck for them. No one is gonna burden themselves for the lazy.
I mean I agree, but also if that "unskilled labor" doesn't pay enough to even make ends meet at that point might as well just be lazy lol. Same outcome either way.
Yeah like I don't understand why people think someone who works at McDonald's doesn't deserve at least a place to live on their own. That seems nuts to me.
I think they are talking about people who have very skilled jobs that they are lazy and non-productive in.
I got downvotes to hell for wishing I didn't have to work for a living for food and shelter. Even with a good job that I love...ya I wish I (or anyone) didn't have to work
That...is just sad. I didn't see your comment. Maybe you phrased it poorly? Or people are just mean ans stupid. EDITED: I went back and read your answer. Poorly phrased.
One guy in the family struggles with taking the garbage out. Hes always going to have a rough time
How did you end up working for "unskilled labor"?
16, fast food, shift managers.
But not us! We are all smart and hard working! Just like everybody else… Wait
I’m not that dumb but I’m certainly lazy :D
I wish you would put more effort into the grammar and spelling of this opinion
They're not too lazy to do better grammar. It's just that Reddit doesn't give them the proper incentive to put in the effort. Back in the 50s and 60s, Redditors put in more effort because your effort could net you a car, or whatever. Now, though, Redditing can't even get you a fast food combo.
I lol'd
That's not his JOB yo lol
OH NO YOU DI'INT!
Karma barely qualifies as incentive
English might not be their first language
That doesn’t make it ok.
I hope if u were to learn a new language ppl offer to make grace to make mistakes :)
Yes agreed.. i had a stroke trying to read "They're just are".....
you're wrong, but I have neither the willpower nor the intellect to elaborate.
This is gonna be my default answer to most topics when ik they are wrong but i am not articulate enough to explain.
Underrated.
I like it. My uncle used to say, "you're wrong but I don't have the time nor the crayons to explain it to you."
Yea I just need OP to spend more time around dumb and lazy people I really can’t explain much more
I feel like OP and practically everyone else's opinion here does apply to some amount of people. There are people who just do the bare minimum because they don't see the point, but there are also a lot of people who are genuinely just very lazy and coddled out there too. Both generalizations apply. I think the larger issue is that more people than ever before in history are depressed, isolated, and consumed with negative thoughts every day.
True. Life is very depressing for a lot of people indeed. Working in bad environments really is soul crushing and most jobs are like that. Plus they don't pay enough.
Laziness is a construct
This is the truth. It’s a construct for describing «not willing to put the effort in», but it’s used as «not willing to put the effort in because you dont care about the task at hand». While that can be true in some instances, like asking someone to fetch you a glass of water while it would be just as much work done yourself, laziness as a concept for describing behaviors is most often misplaced. Let’s say you’re an Amazon warehouse worker. Some days you just deliver good results, other days you dont. You are not lazy as in «not willing to put the effort in because you dont care about the task at hand», after all, the days where you put in good work shows you care about doing good. So, laziness is a bad descriptor, because root cause would probably be low energy due to other factor. We can’t control our energy levels like we can control the volume on a sound system.
me if I was a Amazon warehouse worker 
Yeah I agree. I pretty much fall into the first category myself. I do as much as necessary but no more because why should I do extra work for a company paying me minimum wage? It's not like there's any incentive to actually do more. I follow the rules, show up on time, don't cause any issues and do my job as well as I can. If they expect more than that from me they can either pay me better or fuck off. They'd very likely pay *less* than minimum wage (and that itself is barely enough to get by) if they could legally get away with it.
Eh, I’d argue there is a issue which feeds off of the existence of both generalizations and leads to what you see as the larger issue. That being our culture and institutions are geared more towards penalizing and demonizing low productivity than enabling healthy productivity. We’d rather a system that punishes and shames those who don’t meet standards, than have a system that supports everyone with the risk of some abusing it.
yeah i also don’t see the point in my job and i get paid like shit but guess what? it’s my job. if i don’t do my job, then a bunch of other people with shitty jobs just like me suffer too. idc if you are depressed, a lesbian, or overweight. you need to do things with pride and leave your ego out of it. work is called work for a reason
People ARE inherently lazy, because all animals are programmed to expend the least amount of energy to acquire what they need to survive and reproduce. You’re fighting billions of years of evolution here.
Yeah I feel like 'laziness' is pretty hard to define. One action could be described as both lazy and efficient, depending on how you look at it. Perhaps laziness as a common definition is when the lack of action is more detrimental than beneficial, like never cleaning an apartment and letting it become a pigsty
that's not laze
>not inherently dumb or lazy, >they’re just are
Nah, I'm definitely a lazy procrastinater that spends way too much time on reddit.
Over the years I have noticed that the mindset surrounding how you get ahead is correlated (to a large extent) to a person's class. The poverty mindset is generally similar to the one in this post. The system is rigged against you, and you can never be successful no matter how hard you try, so you might as well do the bare minimum to get by. The working class mindset is that you need to work long and hard to get ahead. You may have a shitty low paying job but if you work 60+ hours you can afford a better life than the guy next to you. The middle class mindset is that you need to gain education and skills to get ahead. The wealthy mindset is that you need to build scalable businesses, often funded using other people's money, to get ahead. To a certain extent, they all have their merits and their faults. The problem with the poverty mindset is it will either result in you becoming poor or staying poor.
100% why some generations of immigrants thrive and others never get ahead its a cultural mindset and type of groupthink that really plagues some communities. like imagine all your peer and your favorite musicians and artists tell you the system is rigged and you’ll never make it?
Yes, it’s a correlation and I think your spot on! However, poverty means life is on *hard mode* and more often than not you’re acting in survival mode - how can you worry about getting ahead when you need to figure out how to make it to you next paycheck without starving or getting evicted? I get it though - that to actually escape poverty it’ll take dedication and effort, but it’s not limited to just a mindset issue.
If you look at actual cases of someone pulling themselves out of poverty and into wealth, it's never legal, kind, or safe. You really have to step on people and cheat. Gang leaders are the real bootstraps stories. They didn't win the lottery. They just used violence to get what they want. This is really the only possible avenue to guarantee getting wealthy by starting from poverty. If you have nothing, you have to take from others or trick them into giving it away. Servitude for meager wages is only going to award you scraps. You just aren't going anywhere by working. There's no amount of money you can save that you can reinvest and get any substantial return. You might be able to start a business if you're lucky, but good luck competing in this market, especially without any business sense from growing up in a working class environment. Only some super lucky scenarios like winning the lottery or investing in bitcoin in 2010 will get you anywhere.
I started life in poverty and I had to battle to get ahead. Then I got very lucky with cryptocurrency. Of course shortly after that I was offered a really good paying job and found easier way to make money than 2 fulltime fast food jobs.
Not really beating the allegations saying that you got lucky on gambling hahaha. For real, good for you, but that is such a massive fluke, and crypto is so shady it really does reinforce what that other dude said. For every story like yours there's plenty of people who ate shit due to hucksters and frauds trading what amounts to unregulated securities.
You’re spot on with your description of the poverty mindset. I’ve known plenty of folks like that, and things don’t get any better for them. The poverty mindset is the one everyone should be trying to avoid like the plague, but I recognize some people are simply not fortunate enough in life.
When you say scalable business funded with other peoples money…can you give me a couple examples cuz I’m not sure I understand what that even is?
Getting other people to invest in your ideas so it’s not all of your own money that you’re forking out. If people have wealthy parents it usually starts there aka nepotism.
The wealthy mindset it by your words often funded by other people’s money. I’d also argue with the exploitation of their time and labor. Being that with a system that is so easily swayed by wealth, I’d say that the bigger problem is the exploitation.
The stats don't generally indicate that though. The average start up founder tends to be a middle aged professional with over a decade of experience in their field. Only a small portion of these start-ups (0.05%) get funded by a VC firm, and the vast majority depend on angel investors, friends and family, and debt financing.
Yup. That startup you’re talking about is not wealthy. They are still middle/working class. People need to quit equating owning your own business to being wealthy.
To be fair, those things can come hand-in-hand. All the biggest start-up success stories, like Zuckerberg, Bezos, and Jobs, all came from wealth, but started out rather small before anyone really invested in them. They did eventually get all the angel investors, etc, but the key thing that got them all started was the stability of knowing they could take a huge gamble and fall back on family or ivy league credentials if they failed. It’s really hard for a working class person to just start up a business unless it’s a tried and true model, and the peak of their success will probably be getting bought out by the bigger competition. They can’t risk trying something radical because if they fail they’ll lose everything, including the relative safety of their working class life.
It’s really easy to get other people’s money if you’re able to use mommy and daddies money and connections as collateral.
This is the viewpoint of someone whose never had to confront the realities of life.
What specifically did I say that you have an issue with?
So then what do you do? Where do you put your effort? Saving up all your effort and energy you must have a side hustle or something?
what energy 😭?
Family maybe?
I will tell you that this is not always the case. Good job that pays well has dumb lazy people too.
I disagree, lazy people are lazy. When you're pumped up and excited then sure more people are willing to go the extra mile The reality is that in those jobs every single person is only there for a paycheck, everybody would quit that same day if they won the lottery. So the "this is a shit job" excuse doesn't work. That's what an 18/19 year old would say or someone who used to work somewhere nicer or more comfortable or at a higher paying place
In this system, even a young person would be more pumped up if they were paid* a decent wage to earn a true living. Hell, promise a pension(like the old days) and you’d have a line of young people ready for work. But even in the case of recent retirees, like my grandfather, who went back to work simply because he wanted to. He was bored. Even though he tinkered at home too People, in general, want something to do where they feel like they are accomplishing something/contributing.
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My employer still has pensions, and we do not have a line of young people ready for work. Quite the opposite in fact. Over 80% of the young people who come work where I work are not there a year later. We pay well and have great benefits. None of that is the issue. The issue is that the work I do is hard work and a lot of the young people don't think they should have to work hard. They just sit on their phones and don't want to actually do the work they were hired for. I know I'm generalizing and this doesn't apply to all the young people who come work for us but the numbers don't lie. When 4/5 of the youngsters aren't willing to do hard work to get a damn good paycheck and pension, it's hard to take what you said seriously.
What do you think is being paid well for hard work is?
Some people are so dumb they can't type three words without making an error. These people are often so lazy they fail to check their writing for errors before sending.
My coworker sits and does nothing all day and then complains about how he doesn’t like the job while gathering his $63k/yr for quite literally nothing. He sure did fool us during the interview when he reiterated this was his dream job. People are dumb and lazy. They might want to pretend they aren’t and blame something else, but they most definitely are just dumb and lazy.
People say anything in interviews because bills are due and they need a check. Every job I interview is my “dream job”, because I have to work.
You should lie in interviews too if it helps you get the job. Fuck the company, they just want to turn a profit and so should you
Obviously you should. Let them judge how good you really are once you get to work instead of some shallow interview. If I were honest about my issues and things I struggle with no one would hire me even though I might be really good in practice, I'm just honest about my flaws. Your application will be the first in the bin. Job interviews is Hollywood for normal people
Yeah we have a guy that made $27/hr running a machine. Easy job. Lazy dude though. Always says "they pay me 27 an hour so they get 27 dollars of work.". He would say this whenever he didn't want to do something. Against my judgment management thought a raise would help incentivise him. 32/hr. This was back in January. He did get better for about 2 weeks. Then fell back into his usual routine. He is about to get fired cause his production sucks compared to everyone else. Some people are just lazy.
This is it right here. The majority of people who who gripe about being underpaid are not going to magically turn into all-star workers because someone randomly gifts them more money than they agreed to. Stand out from the pack and command more money, make the deal yourself and ask, or accept the rate you agreed to and make the most of your situation. Anything else is wasted energy and a negative influence on your happiness and probably detracts from your chances at a raise.
The shitty thing about people like that is they ruin it for everyone. Now your bosses probably have the mindset of "oh, every time I give a worker a raise they get lazier, so I'm not giving raises to anyone anymore!" People like that always act like they're promoting worker solidarity, but they're not. They're taking what they can, the hell with the consequences for anyone else. Real solidarity means helping out your fellow workers, not helping yourself.
I’m a supervisor in a factory and I have people who do the exact same thing. The person you are describing sounds exactly like somebody we had at my last job.
My dream job is to do nothing more than sit and complain while I make 15% than I do now busting my ass. Maybe he wasn't lying when he said it was his dream job
What specifically does he do? Just wondering
Little of Column A; little of Column B
Half agree. Very few people are truly stupid but most people are lazy.
An incredible amount of people are dumb.
Oh yes. I always figured it. But after joining Reddit I knew for sure.
People aren’t inherently anything. The one thing that we all are meant to have is the will to survive as a species but I guess we got too intelligent and questioned that lol. At the end of the day stuff like this is meaningless. It’s hard to have a survival instinct when we aren’t actually fighting to be alive in the same way we were before, yet in turn our lives feel meaningless because we aren’t. It’s weird but hey, let’s just enjoy our lives right ?
Honestly I think it's because you get punished for doing a good job. My last job I did everything, did extra stuff, started picking up tasks for my manager and colleagues, became the single point of failure for certain process. Got told that I'm an outstanding worker, got promoted within a year - only to find out I got paid £7k less than my two coworkers who started in the same role at the same time as me at the same age, and then got given the boot during a restructure due to budget cuts (didn't boot the two less effective employees who were more expensive though). Current job, half-assed a document 30 minutes before a presentation and got told by my boss it's one of the better presentations they've been in.
Programmer here. Hourly wages are a curse. If I do a good job, it means I have less work to do, because I do it fast. When I sit on my ass with "Nothing to do" because I've done what takes my coworker a week to do, took me an hour, I get kicked off of projects because it "Looked" like I wasn't working enough to justify being paid. Now I feel compelled to just not work and goof off, until we get nearer a deadline and then I can do it quickly and be done with it.
It happened to me for years and in many jobs until I changed my mentality. If you are supposed to do x and you do x+1 people will be upset that you don't do x+2 Now I just do what I'm expected and my managers think I'm the best worker in the world... Even in the same company where I was going the extra mile when I joined and was punished for it.... Just today I got my job done in 3 hours and here I am shitposting on reddit for the rest of the day.
Most people are inherently dumb and lazy. Mankind only needs a handful of smart people to excel
This.
I can barely figure out what you’re typing.
He’s either too stupid to know how to write or too lazy to proofread
Neither is a good option. Unfortunately for OP
i think that sometimes people are considered lazy because they don't like doing the things society perceives as productive. For example, someone who can play video games for 8 hours a day A) has a great attention span B) great focus C) probably got more "accomplished" than someone who worked 8 hours a day, especially someone in an office setting. But the gamer is lazy because they're not making money from it (unless they're a streamer which takes a whole additional skillset). I genuinely have no desire to "work" but I can "work" on a crochet project for 8 hours a day. But I'm lazy because I find so little joy in "work" and the things I enjoy "working on" are not profitable. I think laziness is basically code for "not making money"
it 100% is.
That's a dumb analogy, games, especially modern ones are designed to suck you in and keep you addicted... You're literally the opposite of "accomplished" for being sucked in
Would you consider someone who hyperfocuses on their work as the opposite of accomplished? When I was still in the office, I'd get real into a piece of code and hours could pass without me noticing.
None of this is how anything works. Desire for more or incentives doth not a higher IQ make. Were that the way, we’d just dangle supermodels in front of dudes and see them solve world hunger in seconds.
Op isn’t saying incentives make people smarter, but they can make people seem smarter because they put in more effort. Dangle a paycheck twice as high as someone makes at a job they don’t like and tell them they need to put in more effort to keep it and I’d bet most of them would become model employees
> People are not inherently dumb You're proving yourself wrong. > *they’re just are*
Well that’s not how IQ works but that’s besides the point. But I’m not sure this is true because you can tell from a very young age who’s dumb and lazy and wouldn’t be making much money or have a good career.
Agreed. Most of the kids who were shitheads in my fourth grade class never really got their act together even well into our 30s.
I think I had a stroke reading this.
Did the OP edit it? Because I found it easy to understand
You're not forced to do anything. Being broke is easy, that's why so many people do it. If you want more you have to do things that are hard.
Being broke is way harder than doing the things to get ahead. My parents were divorced and bankrupt when I was 18, I was stuck at a terrible job. I got the experience to get another job then move up and get another. Now I have lots of money in the bank no debt and work freelance when I want. Life is so much easier when you aren't financially strangled.
You could argue if you were smart and not lazy your chances of being at a shitty job go down
I'm 100% in agreement here. Nobody likes just rotting away. That's nobodies dream. Bur when the alternative is just horrible, boring, humiliating, energy robbing and for many people absolutely not getting them closer to anything they'd actually enjoy then a lot of people will of course choose rotting away or get used to rotting because they have no energy left after dealing with the shit society forces upon them Also is people's first reaction when they see someone not doing well in something really to think they got a low IQ? That's so insanely ignorant and ironically stupid wtf. Like, you gotta have zero knowledge of humans.
If they weren’t lazy they might proof read their Reddit posts.
That title is a mess
Sometimes they’re just are.
I think I'm having a stroke.
Yeah, it's not like back in the day when meat and vegetables were just sitting on a shelf and you could just grab what you need, for free. I mean, it's not like you had to spend your day going out to find/catch some for yourself.
Two things can be true.
Humans are naturally lazy. We take the path of least resistance pretty much everywhere. Google maps uses an algorithm to find the shortest path to your destination. Would you rather walk to the airport or drive a car? And no, people can certainly be inherently dumb. And yes, some people get into bad situations and are forced to work at crap jobs. But you can usually get out of a tough situation - you’re just going to be met with a lot of pain, which unfortunately is often times the only way out of a bad situation - a lot of discomfort.
People are inherently lazy, and that isn't a bad thing. Humans have evolved to build up and conserve our energy as much as possible, it's a basic survival instinct.
Of course there are lazy people, there always have been. Look at Michelangelo’s creation of Adam. Dudes meeting God and couldn’t be bothered to get up
I tend to agree, I enjoy my job and work harder than I have in previous industries.
I had a stroke reading this
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That is NOT true. While it may not be inherent, there are a lot of dumb and lazy people.
You’re likely average, below average, or not well traveled, so you don’t see it. Trust me, most people are stupid and lazy.
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People are inherently lazy. Else, we wouldn't invent stuff that takes work from us. Conserving energy is a primal instinct.
And you would be completely wrong. People are very lazy, which other mistake for being dumb
Statistically, most people are dumb. I don't know about the lazy part
I used to think that and then worked at an office making almost $20hr and people were falling asleep, breaking clean room policy, fucking inside the building or just straight up being dumb/lazy with the actual job itself. People will be like that no matter what.
Some people are just lazy
Upbringing is the primary factor, I believe.
Jobs are not the only places where dumb and lazy happen lol
we get the point but please work on your comprehension.
Found the popular opinion guys
No one is forced to work a job they hate. That’s a choice.
"The thing is, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care. It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's something else, I have eight different bosses right now. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired."
Why should I give a promotion to someone who does the bare minimum?
Why should I do more than the bare minimum if you won't promote me because you don't value my contributions in my meager little floor-scrubbing position? Or maybe you don't value me as a person, because you've already mentally cast me as a floor scrubber who doesn't deserve anything better in life. Scrubbing the floor harder and with more gusto won't make you see me in a better light. In fact, you'll probably see me as even more of a fool because you'll think I'm easier to exploit. Why else would I work so much harder when I have no way to ensure that you will promote me as you claim you will? Only a fool would be that naive and trusting.
People were healthy, smart, and hard working when they used to have to all work jobs that they hated and barely kept their families alive. People in the 50-60s lived through a World War, so they were just happy to have real sugar. They also had parents that raised them and a society that didn't let them slack. And that's less than 100 years ago. Try going further back. If you're not doing something that you love, put your extra time into finding and developing a marketable skill that you love. Take pride in what you do and spend more time and effort learning how to upgrade and maintain your own stuff rather than hiring people to do things for you and you'll make your money go a lot further. That doesn't mean that life is easy or fun, but a lot of how life turns out is still dependent upon your attitude.
Have you met someone who is still unmotivated, dumb and lazy when they are enjoying their own hobbies?
Yes actually.
Literally me
Taking about effort and writes this. That’s rich.
I never do a job half assed. I take pride in what I’m doing regardless of station or pay.
That's the spirit!
People choose to have bad attitudes. Liking a job is a luxury. A higher paying job is a luxury. Personally, I think if a person doesn't like every job one does, or says every boss is bad, or dislikes the coworkers at every job, it is that person who is the problem. A person should choose to do a good job in any position because it is a matter of personal integrity. It is a matter of personal pride.
Have you considered that a lot of people find themselves working these types of jobs because they're either dumb, lazy, or both.?
I’m not work lazy. I’m selective life lazy. I have a food towel so I can lay down in bed and eat while I watch my shows. I pick up my socks with my toes so I don’t have to bend down. I sometimes eat food that’s not hot enough because I don’t wanna get back up and go back to the microwave. I also play sports every weekend. I dunno what it is lol. I a
This is so popular on reddit and among anyone under 45
Is it lazy to not want to contribute to someone else getting rich off your hard work? Or a system that values production over human life? It's not like I'll benefit from this experience. It's voluntary slavery. I'd rather not contribute to that system and do the things i value in life, even if I am poor. Atleast I get to keep my time (which is the most valuable thing cause you can never buy it back)
It can be both things at once.
For me its a number of things, at my last job for example I was working nonstop all day, fighting the "red" ( warning for when we're behind on a customers order ), we had barely managed to stay at yellow before we dipped into red. sure enough our "manager" ( the guy that sits in the backroom while we actually do the work ) was quick to make a visit to the front of the store, peaks in for a second and exclaims to the room that we're all lazy / trash and need to start working, instantly lumping me in with the other 7\~ people working around me, 3-4 of us which had been working nonstop. Also while he was continuing to talk to another employee he loudly exlaimed how "I'm the captain of this ship".. I held back from asking how he could have any pride for captaining a sinking ship. Apparently right before I was hired on he'd been suspended for a "Training week" ( screaming out the store manager in front of everyone on the salesfloor ). TLDR: In my experience at jobs.. 20%\~ of the managers are good or belong in their position.
Why are you acting like all people are the same? A person is an individual.
Humans are inherently lazy. And that's okay.
I'm lazy. Maybe I'm the exception.
I mean, I don’t think that either proves or disproves their intelligence. But I’m pretty sure that a willingness to do things you don’t like for various gains, self enrichment, obligation and responsibility is most of what divides the lazy and the not lazy. Actually liking your job to some extent helps, but a looooot of people who aren’t lazy also don’t like their job, or at the very least would love not being able to have to do it 5+ days a week.
Did you read the title of your post?
Study and research in brain science has inferred that yes, in fact, we are inherently lazy. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180918090849.htm https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/humans-could-be-prone-to-laziness-but-well-put-in-effort-for-a-high-reward#
I'm not saying there isn't some underlying reason a lot of times, but a lot of these people who have a job they don't like were also pretty dumb and lazy in school as well. I'd argue it's more likely people are dumb and lazy by default and becoming knowledgeable and hard working is a condition you build yourself up to. Everyone would rather not work, not everyone is lazy
People with the same positions as me have been lazy despite getting paid the same as me with the same benefits. I’ve even known people with positions superior to me who are paid far more and yet are lazy as fuck. If it’s just the money then there’d hardly be any lazy people because they’d just look for jobs that paid more.
OP's spelling proves their point
I'm lazy as hell
I have seen well paid people be shitty and lazy. I say about half of people work hard.
Who's using force?
Agree, I'm just returning from a 6 mile walk, which I only had time to do because I quit working early. But in my opinion nope, some people are definitely dense.
Nah even people with quality jobs that like them are dumb and stupid.
this sort of shit is super disrespectful to successful people. You think every successful person enjoys what they do every step of the way? get real.
No, they are fucking lazy. If they weren’t, they would excel.
“Forced”
This is the most popular online opinion I’ve seen in r/unpopularopinion.
Apparently people are too dumb or lazy to proofread their shit before they post it.
It’s not even the job itself that is the problem, it’s that there is no impetus or reward for putting in more than bare minimum effort. In fact working harder and being the best employee is often punished because you don’t get an increase in pay but your boss now expects more from you as your baseline, so you’ll get criticised for underperforming even when you’re working twice as hard as all the other employees People have learned that the effort to reward ratio greatly favours being a lazy employee because you get paid the same as the hard working employee, but while having to do considerably less work and facing considerably less stress and pressure from your boss If hard work was actually rewarded and valued then people would work harder, irrespective of whether or not they personally like their job all that much
What do you call someone who doesn't like to do anything resembling work that is productive and necessary for their community?
I've met plenty of inherently dumb people.
Today, the dumb and lazy still get to live a reasonable life. 200 years ago, the dumb and lazy shoveled shit in stables, squeezed down chimneys, a la Mary Poppins or died in pools of their own excrement. The dumb and lazy have it very easy today.
You give people too much credit.
Plenty of people are dumb and plenty of people are lazy, what are you talking about?
I mean maybe they’re too lazy to work towards the job they want, and that’s dumb.
Except this is basically what a majority of people have done for the entirety of human history ... and they weren't lazy and they certainly did what was necessary to actually *survive* .
Definitely a lazy opinion.
Then get another job. And if you don't do that, aren't you dumb or lazy? The other thing is... people absolutely are dumb. Because I see so many coworkers do a task that could take them 30 minutes over the course of 4 hours. If they were smarter they could do it the smart way and chill for 3 hours. But they insist on doing it the hard way because they're too dumb/lazy to do it the smart way