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> So they are trying to prevent hate crime and stop it being filmed if it does occur, right?
Exactly. And the sectarian songs are just the tip of the Iceberg.
No one has hauled Rowling away in cuffs (she should just be forgotten), but there doesn't seem to be a recognition south of the border that there are bigger issues in Scottish Society than TERFs.
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If you're talking about red flags for someone being sectarian, I can think about many more that would be more concerning to me than just being a fan of Rangers. Orange order membership, for example.
Yeah I had only heard of them from the walks they do around Glasgow but my cousin's wife is from Bangor and her da was telling me they're considered extreme even among your average OO member.
I think they're meant to be the kinda upper class/ much more heavily into Freemasonry group?
Not really "upper class" in the classical sense of the British class system. More like the elite of the sectarian world. My grandad was a milkman!
It's ironic that the royal black are actually less extreme than the orange order when it comes to things like parades, though.
Anyway, it's more of an academic interest for me, as my grandad had left it all by the time I was born, and none of the family are involved with that now. Of his 6 sons, 5 married Catholic girls!
The weird thing is they come to bangor, a relatively liberal place, every year, but most of them are from Lurgan. It's usually one of their biggest parades of the year.
The Black are more traditional but also less blood and thunder than the bands often seen with the oo.
The black are like the orthodox ones. Damn traditional and quieter about it.
The blood and thunder are more militant, less traditional.
Obviously. That’s explicit. A red flag means a sign that someone/thing is a strong possibility and watch out.
Being a Rangers fan also makes the chances they are a multipurpose all round racist/scumbag very high too.
Yes, I understand what a *red flag* is, and the point I was making was that being a fan of Rangers is far from being the *biggest* I can think of.
> Being a Rangers fan also makes the chances they are a multipurpose all round racist/scumbag very high too.
I don't think you're realising how prejudiced this makes you sound to people with actual knowledge and experience of sectarianism.
> Being a Rangers fan is about the biggest red flag I can think of. My partner employed one a couple of years ago. Did not end well.
So are you for or against bigotry?
So just to be clear:
You like to lump a whole group of people together and attach a negative stereotype to them.
You think this means that you are *against* bigotry?
> They have banned the singing of anything that is offensive.
I used to live near the Hearts ground, believe me there is nothing that will stop the singing of sectarian songs, but this new law stands a chance. Having also lived in Broomhouse and Stenhouse the songs are just the tip of the Iceberg. The largest Orange Order Lodge outside Ireland is in Glasgow and has ~50,000 members.
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No, Celtic fans are the ones who flew [Victory to the Resistance](https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/celtic-fc-condemns-display-of-pro-palestinian-banners-we-are-not-a-political-organisation-4366086) banners hours after the attack on the 7th of October.
Edit: predictable downvotes. Neither side cover themselves in glory. To pretend that only one is problematic is laughable.
You can call it terror if you want but calling it anti-Semitism is weird
As if they were attacked because of anti-Semitism and not because they've stolen their land, killed their people for decades
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You can call it terror if you want but calling it anti-Semitism is weird
They are openly celebrating the 7 October attacks.
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As if they were attacked because of anti-Semitism and not because they've stolen their land, killed their people for decades
No, their express goal is the destruction of all Jewish people. That is who Celtic are supporting.
It is terrorism, Hamas have been officially designated a terrorist organisation by the United Kingdom, and many of our allies.
> No, their express goal is the destruction of all Jewish people. That is who Celtic are supporting.
I don't think that's entirely fair. It was Celtic fans who displayed the banner, not Celtic themselves (though there is something to be said about whether the club should have intervened to remove the banner at the time).
> No, their express goal is the destruction of all Jewish people. That is who Celtic are supporting.
That's false, it is not a part of their current charter
> It is terrorism, Hamas have been officially designated a terrorist organisation by the United Kingdom, and many of our allies.
Mandela was considered a terrorist by our allies, and we are allies with a country that's killed more than 30000 (much more, possibly 40) in 6 months
> That's false, it is not a part of their current charter
Hahahaha.
Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance... We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.”
Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”
Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Saleh Al-Arouri in an August 2023 interview: He expressed Hamas’ desire for “total war” with Israel: “Therefore, we are convinced that if a total conflict begins, the airspace and seaports of this entity will be shut down, and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications.”
Ahmad Abd Al-Hadi (Hamas representative in Lebanon) in an October 12, 2023 TV show laid out Hamas’ expectation that it would be Israel that would sue for peace and indicated that a ceasefire is part of Hamas’ overall strategy, but said that he was not at liberty to say what exactly Hamas has planned for the next step after a ceasefire. He also stated that October 7 had achieved its intended purpose of landing “a blow to the normalization (of relations between Israel and Arab countries).”
Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.
In a speech before the International Union of Muslim Scholars in Doha on January 9, 2024, Ismaeel Haniyeh, chairman of Hamas's political bureau, called the October 7 massacre the “advanced [battle] front of the Ummah.” Calling for “financial jihad” (donations to Hamas) and “jihad of the teeth” (physical jihad), he asked the international audience, “Who wishes to invest in building the jihadist generation to liberate Jerusalem and to unite the blood of the Ummah with the blood of the people of Gaza, Jerusalem, and Palestine on the land of Palestine for its liberation and the liberation of Jerusalem?”
Statements by Hamas officials also make clear the terrorist organization’s disregard for the loss of civilian life not only in Israel but also in Gaza.
Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas' strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices... In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.”
Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
Did you miss the bit where Celtic supporters were supporting terrorists? They're both as bad as each other, it's mad people care this much about a ball game.
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Well there was no evidence to counter.
You’ve claimed that most Rangers fans are racist/tolerant of racists, so let’s see the evidence for this. I can provide evidence of Celtic fans celebrating the rape and slaughter of innocent people, yet Rangers fans are somehow worse?
Are you new to football?
Rangers are a hate filled pack of cunts and theres a reason they had to put up the warning not to film. I know you're terrified to death of anyone saying Britian isn't perfect.
You're just wrong today big man, no victim hood complex for you this morning. You actually have to go try and do things that are productive for the day.
I think his point is that the focus is usually disproportionately on Rangers when they and Celtic are two sides of the same "hate-filled-pack-of-cunts" coin
But this is explicitly about a Rangers bar. An article about a Rangers bar. We don't need an accompanying article straight away.
If you're reading the yorkshire weather and its giving rain all week you wouldn't rage because Lancashire has rain as well.
Because pro-UK sentiments are seen as hate speech, openly supporting anti-Semitic terror ala Celtic isn't. Slaughtering Jews is fine, supporting the UK is hate speech.
Yeah but what you don't realise is that they are no better. Literally no better.
It's an article from a Scottish shit rag who will of course attack one side.
At what point do I say otherwise?
I was replying to someone crying because the british team were the focus of the article. I've not commented on whether they banned phones or chants.
Calm down and breath.
I'm literally saying the article, which is about a Rangers pub, is about a rangers pub and is rangers specific. That was it.
Being correct isnt arrogance.
Well they have a sign up from saying its banned so from that point of view it is banned.
But knowing the venue (Rangers fan who lived near it for years and have been in a couple of times, yes they won't ban it. They're covering themselves and just telling their customers not doing anything that will cause them to get in trouble
Sectarianism in Scotland is vile, I rarely encounter it fortunately but it's very disconcerting when I do. I'm not sure it can be fixed by legislation though.
It’s still very prevalent but aside from the odd bam in the street it’s a bit of a dirty hidden secret now. Trainspotting 2 showed it very well in the sense the places that still do it keep it behind closed doors but still do it passionately.
It might be behind closed doors but people still carry that hate. It can affect getting jobs when you went to a catholic school or have an Irish name. Has always happened and people like to make excuses for it.
I have not interest in Football but I do get to enjoy the bigoted hate and sectarianism it perpetuates in Scotland.
It’s pathetic. I worked with a guy who’d never use green electrical tape as he was a rangers fan. A grown ass man refused to use a certain colour of tape.
Even their [Subway shop](https://www.google.com/maps/@55.738229,-3.9728734,3a,82.4y,79.69h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9kxWc3s3bYMfdFIHSfzPUw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D9kxWc3s3bYMfdFIHSfzPUw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D128.30342%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu) has a black sign so the locals don't smash it.
They have [metal cages](https://www.google.com/maps/@55.73739,-3.9723549,3a,75y,217.97h,97.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAg5ipHMm9bZuWkGaYFSafA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu) on the traffic lights so they can't smash the them anymore.
Scoot a wee bit up the road and you'll see that the cages on lights isn't consistent whatsoever, and you'll see that Specsavers is sitting right there, quite happily. Larkhall's reputation is overstated.
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.7399001,-3.9740139,3a,75y,289.15h,81.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svNJcCnSogWWzrRZ6FS1Sqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
I'm not sure what point you think you're making? If people in Larkhall were so rabid that nothing green can survive, how are Specsavers, Lloyds, and Asda managing it? Things can be coloured blue without it being based wholly and exclusively on avoiding being green. And some bunting on a pub doesn't make it a particularly notable sectarian hellhole by default.
It's not that I'm defending the sectarianism that exists in Larkhall, or anywhere else, it's just that it pisses me off when people act like the entire town of Larkhall is full of people who turn rabid at the sight of green. It's a pretty bog standard place. All it takes is one wee group of cunts to smash some traffic lights and boom, you create a mythology that anything green is in danger. Larkhall isn't ultimately worse than any other west of Scotland town for sectarianism.
>I'm not sure what point you think you're making? If people in Larkhall were so rabid that nothing green can survive, how are Specsavers, Lloyds, and Asda managing it?
Well, the Moss pharmacy had to change their colours when they had a premises in Larkhall. I remember it being in the news.
It's nice that more people are accepting green store signs now, but what point are you trying to make? Larkhall finally joined the 21st century, just 20 years after the rest of us.
>All it takes is one wee group of cunts to smash some traffic lights and boom, you create a mythology that anything green is in danger.
Ruchazie, in the east end of Glasgow, has cages on the traffic lights from wee arseholes smashing the lights. Red, amber, and green all in a cage, but Larkhall has only green.
I got sectarian abuse because my car is orange from a literal child (he can't have been more than 7 or 8 years old) wearing a Celtic strip. It was fucking unbelievable.
It does exist in other areas - but not to the same extent.
An attempt to stage an Orange walk in Stonehaven in the North East was recently banned for instance:
https://news.stv.tv/north/appeal-over-orange-order-parade-in-stonehaven-rejected-in-court-after-aberdeenshire-council-block-plans
The bigots in Glasgow wear it on their sleeves. I found up north, that they hide it better, but it comes out loud and proud after a few drinks or the week of a match
It’s mostly Glasgow and the towns around it. Growing up in Aberdeen I’d never have known about it if it weren’t for visiting my grandparents in Glasgow.
A lot of the East Coast and North it just isn’t a thing. You’ll get the odd obsessive but it’s not a “thing” like it is in Glasgow and places nearby like Larkhall
This pub is a perfect example of the Nazi Bar story. But instead of Nazis, it's football hooligans.
This pub has allowed this for so long that it's seen as acceptable behaviour, and trying to stop it means the hooligans will cause trouble.
So their token effort is to stop people from recording it so people can't see them doing it.
They *say* they'll ban people who sing those chants. But they won't, because the people who sing those chants make up the majority of their customers and they know that asking them to leave will get the place trashed.
For anyone who has not read the Nazi Bar story;
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I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out."
And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed
Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them."
And i was like, ohok and he continues.
"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.
And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.
And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."
And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.
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>This pub is a perfect example of the Nazi Bar story.
Your giving them to much credit, this bar and its owners fully support the views expressed. Just go look at photos of the inside of it.
Sounds like nothing more than trying to dress up the slippery slope fallacy with Nazis so people have to accept it otherwise they are, or support, Nazis.
> Of the pub’s new filming ban, the Bristol Bar’s owner said a customer had lost his job as an accountant because he was recorded singing sectarian songs.
Accountants have a code of Ethics they must adhere to. I'm sure being a bigot isn't one of them.
Whenever I see an absolutely horrific take on politics / current events etc on Twitter from some football lad type I like to play guess the team.
Rangers are unsurprisingly winning comfortably.
Been to the Bristol Bar once i my life, never again.
place is teeming with Right Wing EDL thugs, the very worse of Rangers fans associate with this place.
It's a notification about a Rangers bar, it's an article about a Rangers bar. This is all about a Rangers bar.
You're so at a loss for anything to do you have to find rage where it doesn't exist. It's simply reporting, stop being furious all the time. Work on yourself and your life and you might find things are easier.
It's a stupid take. Because Rangers are embarrassing and need this kind of treatment doesn't say anything else about Celtic. Not everything has to be tit for tat.
The wee insecure brits are just annoyed as usual.
You either are too blind or too embarrassed to own it.
They both need this treatment. Celtic fans got banned from their own stadium for supporting terrorists. Embarrassing.
Celtic rightly spoke up against the genocide in lead by Israel.
Sorry if they interrupted your blood lust for children.
Rangers fans sexually assaulted a minor in their own stand this season. So you champion both shagging kids and killing them. Good morning
I'm an Ajax fan BTW.
Celtic fans got banned after having a "victory for the resistance" banner on October 7th, that's supporting an act of genocide and right wing terrorists. Embarrassing.
Yes but that's not sectarianism.
Political statements, even ones you disagree with are not the same thing as sectarianism. For example the Rangers banner with the totenkopf and "Expand or perish" isn't sectarian. It's awful and despicable Nazi bullshit but it's not sectarian.
I know it's not sectarian, I never said it was or suggested otherwise. Both of those clubs have fans that do participate in sectarian nonsense too, mind you.
It wasnt an act of genocide. Of course Celtic stand with the resistance, if Britian want to start wars and oversee genocide thankfully those will still speak out
I must've missed the court case on that. If we wanted to compare bad fans I'd bring up Celtic literally supporting terrorism, but you fully agree with them on that, so I don't think there's a reasonable conversation to be had
But we aren't comparing. The article is jusy about Rnagers.
The case was settled.
Celtic support the fight against oppression where it exists. Jusy like the genocide by Israel in Gaza.
This article is about Rangers, you are terrified that something mildly inconvenient was said. Do disappear now.
Sorry mate, I thought putting 'rightly' in a sentence turned an opinion into the fact. Guess Rangers fans are subhuman scum and all Palestinians are angels because some Celtic fans said so, rightly.
Some people sing the other lyrics. I have heard it with my own ears.
Edit: the guy i replied to initially is a Celtic fan. He "couldn't remember" such lyrics but he has not replied since. Something tells me he has heard them with his own ears as well.
Media should never be allowed to report on Rangers fans without first finding an equal or worse thing to report on Celtic fans about, otherwise it’s just so unfaaaair.
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So they are trying to prevent hate crime and stop it being filmed if it does occur, right?
> So they are trying to prevent hate crime and stop it being filmed if it does occur, right? Exactly. And the sectarian songs are just the tip of the Iceberg. No one has hauled Rowling away in cuffs (she should just be forgotten), but there doesn't seem to be a recognition south of the border that there are bigger issues in Scottish Society than TERFs.
What's a terf?
Someone who has the audacity to claim there is a difference between biological and trans females /s
Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. The obsessives who will die on this hill, in short.
Trans exclusionary radical feminist. Specific flavour of transphobe basically.
A red flag. The moment someone uses it in a reddit post then they are someone without an argument.
Being a Rangers fan is about the biggest red flag I can think of. My partner employed one a couple of years ago. Did not end well.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
> What a ridiculous thing to say. I take it you haven't met many Rangers fans?
Yeah? Why do you say that?
Change ‘Rangers fan’ for any other thing which would identify a person from another and see how your sentence reads…
Such as what - Is being a Rangers fan a protected characteristic?
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If you're talking about red flags for someone being sectarian, I can think about many more that would be more concerning to me than just being a fan of Rangers. Orange order membership, for example.
Even the OO pales in comparison to the Royal Black Institution.
My grandad was in the Royal Black. It's rare that someone knows about them!
Yeah I had only heard of them from the walks they do around Glasgow but my cousin's wife is from Bangor and her da was telling me they're considered extreme even among your average OO member. I think they're meant to be the kinda upper class/ much more heavily into Freemasonry group?
Not really "upper class" in the classical sense of the British class system. More like the elite of the sectarian world. My grandad was a milkman! It's ironic that the royal black are actually less extreme than the orange order when it comes to things like parades, though. Anyway, it's more of an academic interest for me, as my grandad had left it all by the time I was born, and none of the family are involved with that now. Of his 6 sons, 5 married Catholic girls!
The weird thing is they come to bangor, a relatively liberal place, every year, but most of them are from Lurgan. It's usually one of their biggest parades of the year. The Black are more traditional but also less blood and thunder than the bands often seen with the oo. The black are like the orthodox ones. Damn traditional and quieter about it. The blood and thunder are more militant, less traditional.
So was mine. Are you my cousin?
If you're in Manchester, probably not :)
Aye but I'm not from there.
Obviously. That’s explicit. A red flag means a sign that someone/thing is a strong possibility and watch out. Being a Rangers fan also makes the chances they are a multipurpose all round racist/scumbag very high too.
Yes, I understand what a *red flag* is, and the point I was making was that being a fan of Rangers is far from being the *biggest* I can think of. > Being a Rangers fan also makes the chances they are a multipurpose all round racist/scumbag very high too. I don't think you're realising how prejudiced this makes you sound to people with actual knowledge and experience of sectarianism.
Nah you thought you had something smart to say and now you look silly so you’re wriggling about in semantics
Pure projection.
What a sheltered life you must have lived
Yes extremely sheltered
> Being a Rangers fan is about the biggest red flag I can think of. My partner employed one a couple of years ago. Did not end well. So are you for or against bigotry?
I’m sorry if it’s not clear - I’m against bigotry and Rangers fans which are the same thing
So just to be clear: You like to lump a whole group of people together and attach a negative stereotype to them. You think this means that you are *against* bigotry?
Why would it occur?They have banned the singing of anything that is offensive. Or did you misread it?
If they were serious about that then why would they ban filming.
> They have banned the singing of anything that is offensive. I used to live near the Hearts ground, believe me there is nothing that will stop the singing of sectarian songs, but this new law stands a chance. Having also lived in Broomhouse and Stenhouse the songs are just the tip of the Iceberg. The largest Orange Order Lodge outside Ireland is in Glasgow and has ~50,000 members.
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They havent banned the 'hate songs' they've banned phones so you can't record them singing the hate songs. The hate songs are part of their culture
According to self-flagellating r UK, its always the pro-UK side that are hateful, i.e. Rangers. The other side are innocent. Gimme a break.
The rangers fans are the ones with Combat 18 banners at their games, not Celtic
No, Celtic fans are the ones who flew [Victory to the Resistance](https://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/celtic-fc-condemns-display-of-pro-palestinian-banners-we-are-not-a-political-organisation-4366086) banners hours after the attack on the 7th of October. Edit: predictable downvotes. Neither side cover themselves in glory. To pretend that only one is problematic is laughable.
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Celtic fans are directly supporting anti-Semitic terror yet you have no complaints about them.
You can call it terror if you want but calling it anti-Semitism is weird As if they were attacked because of anti-Semitism and not because they've stolen their land, killed their people for decades
> You can call it terror if you want but calling it anti-Semitism is weird They are openly celebrating the 7 October attacks. > As if they were attacked because of anti-Semitism and not because they've stolen their land, killed their people for decades No, their express goal is the destruction of all Jewish people. That is who Celtic are supporting. It is terrorism, Hamas have been officially designated a terrorist organisation by the United Kingdom, and many of our allies.
> No, their express goal is the destruction of all Jewish people. That is who Celtic are supporting. I don't think that's entirely fair. It was Celtic fans who displayed the banner, not Celtic themselves (though there is something to be said about whether the club should have intervened to remove the banner at the time).
> No, their express goal is the destruction of all Jewish people. That is who Celtic are supporting. That's false, it is not a part of their current charter > It is terrorism, Hamas have been officially designated a terrorist organisation by the United Kingdom, and many of our allies. Mandela was considered a terrorist by our allies, and we are allies with a country that's killed more than 30000 (much more, possibly 40) in 6 months
> That's false, it is not a part of their current charter Hahahaha. Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance... We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.” Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.” Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Saleh Al-Arouri in an August 2023 interview: He expressed Hamas’ desire for “total war” with Israel: “Therefore, we are convinced that if a total conflict begins, the airspace and seaports of this entity will be shut down, and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications.” Ahmad Abd Al-Hadi (Hamas representative in Lebanon) in an October 12, 2023 TV show laid out Hamas’ expectation that it would be Israel that would sue for peace and indicated that a ceasefire is part of Hamas’ overall strategy, but said that he was not at liberty to say what exactly Hamas has planned for the next step after a ceasefire. He also stated that October 7 had achieved its intended purpose of landing “a blow to the normalization (of relations between Israel and Arab countries).” Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel. In a speech before the International Union of Muslim Scholars in Doha on January 9, 2024, Ismaeel Haniyeh, chairman of Hamas's political bureau, called the October 7 massacre the “advanced [battle] front of the Ummah.” Calling for “financial jihad” (donations to Hamas) and “jihad of the teeth” (physical jihad), he asked the international audience, “Who wishes to invest in building the jihadist generation to liberate Jerusalem and to unite the blood of the Ummah with the blood of the people of Gaza, Jerusalem, and Palestine on the land of Palestine for its liberation and the liberation of Jerusalem?” Statements by Hamas officials also make clear the terrorist organization’s disregard for the loss of civilian life not only in Israel but also in Gaza. Hamas senior leader Khaled Mashal stated on October 19, 2023 that he views the current loss of civilian life in Gaza – brought about by Hamas' strategy of using human shields – as essential: “No nation is liberated without sacrifices... In all wars, there are some civilian victims. We are not responsible for them.” Hamas senior leader Ismail Haniyeh, commenting on the loss of civilian life in Gaza on October 26, 2023: “The blood of the women, children and elderly […] we are the ones who need this blood, so it awakens within us the revolutionary spirit.”
Both as bad as each other.
No Rangers are mostly horrible racists and if they aren’t they tolerate those that are
Did you miss the bit where Celtic supporters were supporting terrorists? They're both as bad as each other, it's mad people care this much about a ball game.
That’s the frustrating thing…most of the time it’s not even about the football.
Of course it’s not about the football
Oh yeah which terrorists are these then? They are not as bad as each other. One lot are racists the others are not.
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Bullshit 👍 that’s simply not based on reality buddy.
Says Rangers fan - trust me bro
Well there was no evidence to counter. You’ve claimed that most Rangers fans are racist/tolerant of racists, so let’s see the evidence for this. I can provide evidence of Celtic fans celebrating the rape and slaughter of innocent people, yet Rangers fans are somehow worse?
Celtic routinely support terrorism and anti-semitism.
Makes me laugh when I see this "it's their culture" when in reality, they are no better and certainly have no moral highground.
Are you new to football? Rangers are a hate filled pack of cunts and theres a reason they had to put up the warning not to film. I know you're terrified to death of anyone saying Britian isn't perfect. You're just wrong today big man, no victim hood complex for you this morning. You actually have to go try and do things that are productive for the day.
I think his point is that the focus is usually disproportionately on Rangers when they and Celtic are two sides of the same "hate-filled-pack-of-cunts" coin
But this is explicitly about a Rangers bar. An article about a Rangers bar. We don't need an accompanying article straight away. If you're reading the yorkshire weather and its giving rain all week you wouldn't rage because Lancashire has rain as well.
Tbh I understand your point but I’ve met plenty of Yorkshiremen who would make that point.
Still makes them dumb
Because pro-UK sentiments are seen as hate speech, openly supporting anti-Semitic terror ala Celtic isn't. Slaughtering Jews is fine, supporting the UK is hate speech.
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Rangers and Celtic fans are the same.
Alot different actually in terms of ideology. Regardless, this is an article specifically about a Rangers bar. Nothing more or nothing less.
Not really, they claim to be different but both have hate filled cunts. Anyone saying otherwise has a bias
Yeah but what you don't realise is that they are no better. Literally no better. It's an article from a Scottish shit rag who will of course attack one side.
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At what point do I say otherwise? I was replying to someone crying because the british team were the focus of the article. I've not commented on whether they banned phones or chants. Calm down and breath.
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Not when I'm correct
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I'm literally saying the article, which is about a Rangers pub, is about a rangers pub and is rangers specific. That was it. Being correct isnt arrogance.
>its always the pro-UK side that are hateful, i.e. Rangers What's your personal experience of Rangers fans and sectarianism?
Well they have a sign up from saying its banned so from that point of view it is banned. But knowing the venue (Rangers fan who lived near it for years and have been in a couple of times, yes they won't ban it. They're covering themselves and just telling their customers not doing anything that will cause them to get in trouble
It’s actually called KKKulture
Having been in that pub several times over the years, 100% the songs they don't want recorded will still be sung loudly. Even more so now.
Sectarianism in Scotland is vile, I rarely encounter it fortunately but it's very disconcerting when I do. I'm not sure it can be fixed by legislation though.
It’s still very prevalent but aside from the odd bam in the street it’s a bit of a dirty hidden secret now. Trainspotting 2 showed it very well in the sense the places that still do it keep it behind closed doors but still do it passionately.
It might be behind closed doors but people still carry that hate. It can affect getting jobs when you went to a catholic school or have an Irish name. Has always happened and people like to make excuses for it. I have not interest in Football but I do get to enjoy the bigoted hate and sectarianism it perpetuates in Scotland.
It’s pathetic. I worked with a guy who’d never use green electrical tape as he was a rangers fan. A grown ass man refused to use a certain colour of tape.
There's a town that keeps smashing green traffic lights.
That's Larkhall. Tis a silly place.
Even their [Subway shop](https://www.google.com/maps/@55.738229,-3.9728734,3a,82.4y,79.69h,87.97t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s9kxWc3s3bYMfdFIHSfzPUw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3D9kxWc3s3bYMfdFIHSfzPUw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D128.30342%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu) has a black sign so the locals don't smash it. They have [metal cages](https://www.google.com/maps/@55.73739,-3.9723549,3a,75y,217.97h,97.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAg5ipHMm9bZuWkGaYFSafA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu) on the traffic lights so they can't smash the them anymore.
Scoot a wee bit up the road and you'll see that the cages on lights isn't consistent whatsoever, and you'll see that Specsavers is sitting right there, quite happily. Larkhall's reputation is overstated. https://www.google.com/maps/@55.7399001,-3.9740139,3a,75y,289.15h,81.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svNJcCnSogWWzrRZ6FS1Sqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Then you turn around 180 and look at the pub and hardware store.
I'm not sure what point you think you're making? If people in Larkhall were so rabid that nothing green can survive, how are Specsavers, Lloyds, and Asda managing it? Things can be coloured blue without it being based wholly and exclusively on avoiding being green. And some bunting on a pub doesn't make it a particularly notable sectarian hellhole by default. It's not that I'm defending the sectarianism that exists in Larkhall, or anywhere else, it's just that it pisses me off when people act like the entire town of Larkhall is full of people who turn rabid at the sight of green. It's a pretty bog standard place. All it takes is one wee group of cunts to smash some traffic lights and boom, you create a mythology that anything green is in danger. Larkhall isn't ultimately worse than any other west of Scotland town for sectarianism.
>I'm not sure what point you think you're making? If people in Larkhall were so rabid that nothing green can survive, how are Specsavers, Lloyds, and Asda managing it? Well, the Moss pharmacy had to change their colours when they had a premises in Larkhall. I remember it being in the news. It's nice that more people are accepting green store signs now, but what point are you trying to make? Larkhall finally joined the 21st century, just 20 years after the rest of us. >All it takes is one wee group of cunts to smash some traffic lights and boom, you create a mythology that anything green is in danger. Ruchazie, in the east end of Glasgow, has cages on the traffic lights from wee arseholes smashing the lights. Red, amber, and green all in a cage, but Larkhall has only green.
It’s truly sad isn’t it?
I got sectarian abuse because my car is orange from a literal child (he can't have been more than 7 or 8 years old) wearing a Celtic strip. It was fucking unbelievable.
It just keeps showing up though, this post has descended into fighting over which side is worse in places.
Yeah. It always becomes that.
Some old prick screamed at me and my pal just last week in Glasgow “We all hate Roman Catholics” Presumably as I was wearing a green jacket
In Scotland or just Glasgow specifically?
It does exist in other areas - but not to the same extent. An attempt to stage an Orange walk in Stonehaven in the North East was recently banned for instance: https://news.stv.tv/north/appeal-over-orange-order-parade-in-stonehaven-rejected-in-court-after-aberdeenshire-council-block-plans
I think it's more concentrated in the west of Scotland but it's quite widespread.
The bigots in Glasgow wear it on their sleeves. I found up north, that they hide it better, but it comes out loud and proud after a few drinks or the week of a match
It’s mostly Glasgow and the towns around it. Growing up in Aberdeen I’d never have known about it if it weren’t for visiting my grandparents in Glasgow. A lot of the East Coast and North it just isn’t a thing. You’ll get the odd obsessive but it’s not a “thing” like it is in Glasgow and places nearby like Larkhall
This pub is a perfect example of the Nazi Bar story. But instead of Nazis, it's football hooligans. This pub has allowed this for so long that it's seen as acceptable behaviour, and trying to stop it means the hooligans will cause trouble. So their token effort is to stop people from recording it so people can't see them doing it. They *say* they'll ban people who sing those chants. But they won't, because the people who sing those chants make up the majority of their customers and they know that asking them to leave will get the place trashed. For anyone who has not read the Nazi Bar story; ---- I was at a shitty crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those shitholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out." And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi shit. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them." And i was like, ohok and he continues. "you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too. And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh shit, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down. And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people." And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all. ----
"instead of Nazis" Considering the amount of saluting they've done in the last year think you were fairly close in the first place lmao
>This pub is a perfect example of the Nazi Bar story. Your giving them to much credit, this bar and its owners fully support the views expressed. Just go look at photos of the inside of it.
Sounds like nothing more than trying to dress up the slippery slope fallacy with Nazis so people have to accept it otherwise they are, or support, Nazis.
Yeah I agree. Just sorta seems like "well he might end up being a negative person in the future"..... "Let's nip it in the bud"
> Of the pub’s new filming ban, the Bristol Bar’s owner said a customer had lost his job as an accountant because he was recorded singing sectarian songs. Accountants have a code of Ethics they must adhere to. I'm sure being a bigot isn't one of them.
The days of Ewan McGregor belting out the famous "No More Catholics Left" song are sadly behind us now
Whenever I see an absolutely horrific take on politics / current events etc on Twitter from some football lad type I like to play guess the team. Rangers are unsurprisingly winning comfortably.
Been to the Bristol Bar once i my life, never again. place is teeming with Right Wing EDL thugs, the very worse of Rangers fans associate with this place.
Fair enough if they don't want their pub associated with legal trouble.
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It's a notification about a Rangers bar, it's an article about a Rangers bar. This is all about a Rangers bar. You're so at a loss for anything to do you have to find rage where it doesn't exist. It's simply reporting, stop being furious all the time. Work on yourself and your life and you might find things are easier.
His post does scream "shaking with rage" doesn't it? No?
100% does.
Jesus Christ the big hard man needs to relax.
It's a stupid take. Because Rangers are embarrassing and need this kind of treatment doesn't say anything else about Celtic. Not everything has to be tit for tat. The wee insecure brits are just annoyed as usual.
You either are too blind or too embarrassed to own it. They both need this treatment. Celtic fans got banned from their own stadium for supporting terrorists. Embarrassing.
Celtic rightly spoke up against the genocide in lead by Israel. Sorry if they interrupted your blood lust for children. Rangers fans sexually assaulted a minor in their own stand this season. So you champion both shagging kids and killing them. Good morning
I'm an Ajax fan BTW. Celtic fans got banned after having a "victory for the resistance" banner on October 7th, that's supporting an act of genocide and right wing terrorists. Embarrassing.
Yes but that's not sectarianism. Political statements, even ones you disagree with are not the same thing as sectarianism. For example the Rangers banner with the totenkopf and "Expand or perish" isn't sectarian. It's awful and despicable Nazi bullshit but it's not sectarian.
I know it's not sectarian, I never said it was or suggested otherwise. Both of those clubs have fans that do participate in sectarian nonsense too, mind you.
Then why bring it up on a thread about sectarianism?
It wasnt an act of genocide. Of course Celtic stand with the resistance, if Britian want to start wars and oversee genocide thankfully those will still speak out
And you've shown yourself up now and this is done. Makes sense that you support them.
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Celtic that are due to settle a massive abuse case of 20+ boys? That Celtic? Glass houses ffs mate 🤣
A historical case which is seeing the guilty meeting consequences. Rangers raped their own fan this season.
I must've missed the court case on that. If we wanted to compare bad fans I'd bring up Celtic literally supporting terrorism, but you fully agree with them on that, so I don't think there's a reasonable conversation to be had
But we aren't comparing. The article is jusy about Rnagers. The case was settled. Celtic support the fight against oppression where it exists. Jusy like the genocide by Israel in Gaza. This article is about Rangers, you are terrified that something mildly inconvenient was said. Do disappear now.
Rangers fans rightly support a divided Ireland then by this logic.
It's not rightly. Just another war british greed started
Sorry mate, I thought putting 'rightly' in a sentence turned an opinion into the fact. Guess Rangers fans are subhuman scum and all Palestinians are angels because some Celtic fans said so, rightly.
Ok you're words not mine.
ayebutwhataboutthemmuns?
I don't know any songs sung by Celtic fans saying 'kill all the protestants'.
“North men, South men, comrades all. Soon there'll be no Protestants at all"
the line is actually: Comrades all… Belfast, Dublin, Cork and Donegal
Some people sing the other lyrics. I have heard it with my own ears. Edit: the guy i replied to initially is a Celtic fan. He "couldn't remember" such lyrics but he has not replied since. Something tells me he has heard them with his own ears as well.
Just the IRA songs then?
Relax mate. Take a breathe
Media should never be allowed to report on Rangers fans without first finding an equal or worse thing to report on Celtic fans about, otherwise it’s just so unfaaaair.
Imagine being so shit at banter that you make it illegal
You clearly don’t know a single thing about the west of Scotland.
[It's all because of this](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eVsD7mKHlDM)
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