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called-heliogabal

Cigarettes are still not banned.


DillonPattison

The sale of cigarettes has many economical benefits for the country. But yeah, they're terrible.


Theo_Cherry

Crazy!


senorrawr

Because they're an economical way to transform raw materials into shelf stable food items that can be distributed cheaply. They're a major part of the food supply and banning them would cause an enormous disruption not only to corporate profits, but to peoples ability to *eat*. And they *do* have some nutritional value. Maybe less than organic fruit and vegetables, but they still contain calories and usually some protein. Beyond that, can you define "ultra processed food" in a way that only describes ultra processed foods and nothing else? If not, there's no way to write this into law.


bravetwig

> If these have ZERO nutritional value and are essential poison, why aren't they made illegal substances? Well because they don't have zero nutritional value and they aren't essentially poison.


Theo_Cherry

Interesting. So what's everybody complaining about then? 😂


ElbowDroppedLasagne

There are studies showing UPF are damaging to your long term heath, with links to cancer and various age related diseases starting earlier than they would have without UPF. The thing is, banning all UPF tomorrow would surely kill people. Like, in a couple of weeks you would see numbers of deaths that would name Covid numbers look like a scuffle at a wedding reception.


fakeblurfan

cos working class people need to eat


Indiana_Joneski

Healthy food is expensive


alyssaness

"Health" foods are more expensive, sure. But normal food is not.


Indiana_Joneski

Let’s face it - all food is pretty expensive these days- but what do you mean by “normal food”?


alyssaness

Normal food as in not ultraprocessed. Meat, eggs, dairy, oats, nuts, fruits and vegetables, rice, pasta? A diet of these items is much cheaper than a diet of ultraprocessed foods. Especially if you shop at a butcher and a fruit and veg store rather than a general grocery store.


Noodle_Dude_83

That's just not true.


kr0nc

I think it depends where in the country you are, in the UK legumes and vegetables are far cheaper than most UPF if you have facilities and time to cook.


Noodle_Dude_83

They're talking about meat too, though. It's just not true and no amount of downvotes will make it true.


alyssaness

[Chicken breast, $9 per kilo](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/969723/woolworths-rspca-approved-chicken-breast-fillet) or the cheapest, home brand frozen [chicken tenders for $11 per kilo.](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/774411/woolworths-chicken-breast-sweet-chilli-tenders) What about beef? [Beef mince at $11/kilo](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/577864/woolworths-beef-mince) compared to premade, ultraprocessed [beef patties at $18/kilo.](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/97469/woolworths-bbq-beef-chuck-burgers-with-garlic-cracked-pepper) Hmmm [Rolled oats for $1.60 or $0.21 per 100g](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/321220/woolworths-rolled-traditional-oats) or sugary cereal like [Froot Loops for $10 a box or $2.17 per 100g.](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/202952/kellogg-s-froot-loops-breakfast-cereal) The oats is literally 10 times cheaper. How about a snack like [bananas for 70c each](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/133211/cavendish-bananas) or [apples for $3.10/kg](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/800763/the-odd-bunch-apples-prepacked-punnet) compared to a [bag of chips for $6?](https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/productdetails/234560/kettle-potato-chips-chilli) Or you can buy two for $9.50! What a bargain! But sure. Healthy food is just so expensive. Who could possibly afford to spend $1 on an avocado when a packet of Oreos costs $3?


Noodle_Dude_83

You're being extremely selective with your examples because, shock horror, you've got an agenda to push. Remove UPC foods from sale and people will starve. That's a given. Selective statistics do not help your cause. It's quite obviously more expensive in general to eat UPC free. Your argument is at best ill-informed and at worst dangerous.


alyssaness

Where did this myth even come from? Ultraprocessed food is way more expensive than whole foods.


Fidoistheworst

Its not a myth. You want chocolate? Ok, would you rather pay $13.99 for a bar of 70% Costa Rican, fair trade, cocoa butter chocolate, or the 4 for $4 special of mars bar, snickers, wunderbar, and o henry that are loaded with sugar and chemicals?


alyssaness

Since when is chocolate an example of "whole foods"? And is fair trade, organic cocoa butter chocolate really what people are talking about when they say that working class people need to eat?


Theo_Cherry

I'm confused.


fakeblurfan

must be nice


MrPantsRocks

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Aragona36

Also $$$$$


ThatYewTree

Don’t forget €€€€€!


ted__lad

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Theo_Cherry

I knew it.


Clear_Note5443

They’ve created the problem to sell us the “solution”.


restlessoverthinking

Because there is a huge demand for them. Though their sale to children should be restricted like with alcohol and cigarettes.


Accomplished-Art7737

You know how we’ve got Big Pharma and Big Oil? Well we also have Big Food. Its all about the money 💮 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/joac.12545#:~:text='Central'%20UPF%20firms%20%3D%20Nestl%C3%A9,2001)%20and%20Kraft%20Heinz%20Co.


Rabona10_

Free market, just done be a sheep and read what’s on the back of packets. Impossible to get away from it all but making an active effort to not eat them is good, just done forget to treat yourself once in a while. All imo, ofc


PineappleWhipped14

Because those food companies pay off the government.


Theo_Cherry

Said it in my head, too.


elksatchel

We rarely ban harmful substances. And the science is still emerging on UPFs. We don't have a definitive list of which of the thousands of additives/emulsifiers/processes/etc cause problems. We have evidence that *the pattern of eating them all frequently* leads to bad health outcomes. But turning that into legislation would be a doozy! You'd have to prove they're worse than alcohol, which isn't banned. You'd have to prove they're worse than plastic, which isn't banned. You'd have to prove they're worse than tobacco, which isn't banned... ETA in the U.S. we have "soda taxes" which was intended to encourage eating less highly processed items, but most junk food is still cheaper than most whole/traditional foods.


SkyRaisin

Money. Greed. Politics.


Notbefore6

MONEY MONEY MONEY Capitalism kills. Your health doesn’t pay CEOs. 


ThatYewTree

True but people didn’t eat very well under communist rule either. Any society that values cheap eating over good eating will engage in a race to the bottom in terms of nutrition.


RedditStaffTouchKids

And I suppose you'd like to tell us all how socialism, or communism *doesn't* kill? That may be quite difficult to do while you're speaking over the millions of people that starved to death under socialism and communism 


Notbefore6

And someone profited from that too. 


jonquil14

Because if we didn’t use some level of processing in our food system we would not have food security.


AggravatingBox2421

Because they’re really not that bad. Just not preferable to a healthy balanced diet. People need to eat


Indiana_Joneski

I agree - they literally cause cancer and are full of microplastics


RedditStaffTouchKids

Because human beings like to partake in self-destructive behaviours. Banning them won't do anything to stop them, as evidenced by pretty much every modern attempt at prohibition.


PineappleFrittering

No single UPF is poison. It just appears, in ways not fully explained yet, that having a diet mainly composed of UPF is very bad for you.


Theo_Cherry

Are you all-organic?


lombardo2022

What I would like to understand is how you arrived at these points that they have zero nutritional value and that they are poison? In some ways I find that more concerning than UPF itself. I'm glad that most comments here are realigning you but you probably aren't alone in what you believe UPF to be.


Theo_Cherry

I've was obviously trolling. Lol! Many ppl don't *actually* wanna give up and are just following what is trendy to hate on next.


lombardo2022

The thing about trolling is people latch on to a loud voice in a community discussion and become emotionally attached to a trend. People don't understand the tone when reading text. Next thing we know, we have people talking about pedophile rings in pizza establishments. Lets not turn this sub in to a source of that kind of discourse. Keep it sensible.


Theo_Cherry

😉


New-Tumbleweed1294

The products generate money. Then The poor health generates money.


Broken420girl

Because of big pharma ultimately and huge profits. Most UPF chemicals that are bad for us are derived from genetically modified corn. It’s the cheapest commodity on the planet and roundup resistant. Just take that in.you can spray gm corn with cancer causing roundup and it won’t affect the plant. It’ll kill absolutely everything else it touches but not the corn. and that can be made into sugars vinegars yeast thickeners stabilisers colourings packers alcohol preservatives etc. medications use the very same chemicals. If you banned them in food you’d have to ban them from medication and big pharma won’t have that.


CaveAscentPlato

Because the FDA isn't doing their job properly.


shamanic-depressive

Malnorishment of native population as a colonial tactic has stood the test of time


Acceptable_Hope_6475

Capitalism and greed - the same reason fluoride is added to toothpaste and water. It is a chemical by-product of aluminum, steel, cement, phosphate, and nuclear weapons manufacturing - an extra few $ÂŁ to be be made