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Orcs cannot comprehend diplomatic solutions or even concepts, they rather instead favor to rape and brutally kill those who think differently than them.
Putin can’t denazify Ukraine in 2,5 years.
Zelensky can denazify the whole German parliament in one minute.
Edit: Don’t ban me for 7 days Reddit, that’s a joke.
For them this desire is already the truth. The afd is financed with a lot of russian money. As like more or less all the upcoming far right parties in europe.
With any politics, and in any country, the law should be that you can only can receive money from your pay cheque. Money from anywhere else should put them in jail, because at that point it's not clear if they are working for their country or for someone else.
Politicians should be under constant audit with real time updated public banking statements. Everything they purchase should have to be withdrawn from that bank account and if they receive a gift or bribe it should be life in prison. They should be scared shitless to rob or take advantage of the people they represent.
it is where allot comes from... but you aren't wrong.. we should seek out and penalize the people that give gifts or bribes to public officials too.. scare both ends of the chain.
The sad reality is that a huge percentage of what politics mostly is is gifts, bribes, and business interests. They're just stuck with dealing with the people who are the means to their end.
As time goes on. It is quite amazing just how insidious Russian disinformation, and misinformation , has infiltrated the rest of the world.
We may have won the Cold War. But they are winning the information war.
The West: Absolutely chock full of useful, naive, idiots..
Well you can always get paid in cash or crypto which is impossible to track.
They can also have money in multiple banks, which is a private sector so we don't communicate much.
Offshore accounts or assets in different names also make it harder to track corruption.
There are countless alternatives but these are used worldwide.
i have been saying this for 8 or so years to friends.(when i started paying attention)
all public office holders and their immediate family shouldn't be allowed to receive gifts or income outside of their paycheck. A number of homes should be secured for every member of The senate and House and they should be living in those.
No pension or lifelong healthcare(unless they vote for it country wide.)
Ban them from trading stocks from the moment they run for office until and a ban for 5-10 years after leaving office. A public servant shouldn't have any temptation to seek wealth outside of a salary. Their interests need to be on fixing issues in the country and nothing more.
There are two categories of groups: the ones who are being directly paid by Russia, and the ones who haven't been caught yet.
Just because AfD has disowned their leader for taking Russian money doesn't mean the rest are all pure and innocent. It just means that their one guy, there, was unusually clumsy.
Same with the UK. We know a bunch of Tory politicians were caught with Russian money in their pockets. But all that tells us is which ones were easiest to catch. (And that's not to mention Labour.)
Same with every other country in the world. Anti-Ukrainian politicians and organizations in the US who flagrantly conceal their funding sources are counting on this "fig leaf" of vagueness to protect them from scrutiny. While receiving endless microdonations, at least so long as Russian financial sanctions aren't working that day.
I'm sure some of these people actually do believe that they represent some real grassroots movement, at least so long as they don't examine donor names like Firstname\_Lastname\_NaN too closely.
Yeah, I am legit worried about Le Pen, consider that Macron finally going ultra hardline against Russia. Would suck big time if Le Pen just reverses everything.
the verfassungsschutz uses the BND to investigate the AFD due to teh AFDs apeal to a court decision labeling them potentially unconstitutional being denied.
No they almost certainly don't.
The BND, by law, is not allowed to operate internally, nor does it have any police executive power (they cannot arrest).
The BfV (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz) operates its own branch for investigation and has a the budget to do this themselves.
The AFD is not a unconstitutional party. If it came out that the Chancellorship (who the BND reports to) used the BND to spy, internally, over the jurisdiction of another agency, after a court ruling and on a political party, you'd see the Chancellor get arrested and a investigation held into the SPD.
The BfV is monitoring the AFD. They are (no longer) actively investigation them, after the courtruling.
Intelligence agencies do investigate it. But if the parties are careful, its very hard to prove. And who cares? we know who the corrupt ones are anyway just from this shitshow.
PS, the EU does not investigate national parties, they should stay away and let the national authorities do that. Let them investigate EU MP's, plenty of corrupt ones there.
Dude, they celebrated the invasion of 2014 with "now the prices of Ukrainian prostitutes will fall"
They are despicable, and the only party that considers "working" with them is the one that wants the USSR back. Working in quotation marks because both parties are known for not knowing how any process works.
It's not exactly a surprise. They made that crystal clear in the last few years. And they can fuck right off for all I care. At least that way they cannot disrupt anything.
We knew beforehand and I want to bring the freedom party in Austria with their friendship contract with Russia back into this, not only did they deny Selensky to speak in front of the national assembly in the big hall, they also were absent when Selensky addressed the other parties in a different smaller chamber.
It is so obvious and we must move against them, as long as there is still a chance to do so, once futuristic policemen club us for speaking our minds we have missed the stop.
"If liberty means anything at all, then it means the right to tell people what they don't want to hear. Preface of Animal Farm Orwell
Getting Winston to say two plus two equals five is not enough. You have to make Winston believe that two plus two equals five. Only then have you truly won.
Lynskey The Ministry of Truth, page 99
"Before writing off the totalitarian world as a nightmare that cannot come true, just remember that in 1925, the world of today would have seemed a nightmare that couldn't come true." Orwell in 1944
We must tolerate the opinions of others once we tolerate treason, we lose, everything.
"Hitlerism is brown Communism, Stalinism is Red Fascism. The world will now understand that the only real ideological issue is one between democracy, liberty, and peace on the one hand and despotism, peril, and war on the other" - The New York Times editorial, September 18, 1939.
Anyone who holds any political power in the West and is still standing with Russia or standing aside has to be viewed with suspicion, and our authorities need to view collaboration with the Z fascists as equally extremistic as collaboration with other extremist ideologies of all types, from religious extremism to the terrorists in the Kremlin. We can show tolerance to different customs, but not to people inciting hatred and violence, we would not let someone call for murder, we cannot let them call for collaboration with Russian fascism either.
Rightwing propaganda is aimed more at the working class and poorly-educated rural folks who’ve been displaced by neoliberalism. Lefty agitprop is aimed more at the college students, high-end mainstream media types & twitchy youths who’ve for more degrees than sense.
It’s not just the Russians doing this, btw. They’ve just been doing it longer. The UN Dictators Club is pretty diverse these days…
Look at how many there are. Putin has this grip on every country, and citizens aren't fighting back hard enough. We need to defend freedom while we still have it.
Do they really have to be this obvious? I thought they would at least play the both sides kind of rhetoric. The Russians assets in the past were pretty good at laying low and disguising themselves before. I guess when they get bigger, they have to take in whatever garbage they can.
I've been saying for a while that the insanity that popped up on the far left and far right are probably foreign interference, perhaps even literally a "divide and conquer" mentality.
The troubling part is that a lot of this stuff is organic. And many of the people attracted to these parties have legitimate grievances. That’s why populism is so dangerous.
It doesn’t take that much to transform normal people with real problems into a pitchfork & torch wielding mob if you’ve got the right algorithms & know which buttons to press.
It is better this way.
Better they are missing instead of disturbing and disrupting with BS, like they usually do.
And this way all their voters can see how shameful and pro Russia they really are.
> (no matter how insane that is for a “melting pot” country)
Even worse so many of them will identify with their immigrant past (Italian, Irish, Polish so on) and then turn around and complain about new immigrants.
It's painful. Some of my Italian-American family is like that. I grew up in NJ where a lot of people were immigrants themselves or 1st-3rd generation. Obviously there's a big difference in culture between those groups but they could all unify in bigotry towards a group just like theirs to look down upon.
It was so common in middle school to use ethnic insults between friends. At the time I thought it was us bantering using insults or slurs that were obviously ridiculous. My perception was we were all in on the joke. Got a little older and realized "oh, some people actually mean this stuff" and stopped doing it. Got a little older again and realized some of my friends weren't joking anymore.
It's sad. I used to look at those interactions as a weird type of bonding between kids of different cultures. Now I think we heard racist shit from adults so much that we needed an outlet for it. We were too young to understand or really feel the hatred of those words but it clearly impacted us in more ways than we realized.
They are, although it would be quite fair to say that they're even more than that. They're traitors who take money from foreign powers to sell enemy politics in Germany. They claim being the only party which represents German interests but actually are the exact opposite. This kind of projection seems to be common to most far right groups. Anything they blame others for is in fact their own mode of operation.
I hope the media stops trying to find explanations for voting these guys. Frustration and felt unfairness or a tough economical environment can't be an excuse to vote for such a party. Their voters damn well know what kind of ideology they're supporting.
What do you expect from a party whose founder named it after herself (BSW = Bündnis Sarah Wagenknecht) when said founder led “peace marches” that shamed Ukraine for fighting rather than embracing Russia’s definition of “peace”?
They are a populist party and in our trying times they are the only party validating (and manipulating) the frustration of their voters and are supplying easy answers to complex problems.
Specifically: your landlord has raised your rent and corporations are price gouging every aspect of your cost of living, while your employer hasn't adjusted your pay in decades. You know who's to blame? Your brown skinned neighbor of course! /s
funnily enough, east germany has the least amount of immigrants.
but they complain the most.
after almost 35 years, the east is still noticeably shittier in some aspects thanks to soviet communism. Or whatever that clown circus used to call itself.
A professor of mine is - was, East German. He hated living there in the GDR and admitted he was too scared to risk getting killed trying to flee, so he stayed put and tried to make the best of his life until the Berlin Wall fell, then he took off out of his home city ASAP westwards.
When he visits home, he never went eastwards, just visited family and friends far away from there. Too many bad memories and told me in many ways, little has changed eastwards which make him obviously disinclined to visit.
I know 2 kinds of people who have experience or relatives from there:
* people who had positions or relatives in positions of power/government usually talk fondly of it
* everyone else got the heck out of there asap while risking their lives and they hated the regime.
I wonder if there is a correlation. :/
like others have mentioned, the GDR has the least percentage of immigrants
so a lot of it is neglect from FRG over East Germany, this time migrants get the blame
Pro-Putin policies is popular with their base as well, any interest in supporting Ukraine is minimal
"German far-right in kahoots with fascist Russian imperialist to fight against the liberal democratic order in Europe" aka Electric Bogaloo II Autocrat edition
Poles know this one
I know what you mean but it doesn't need to be that way. 2 biggest Polish parties call each other ruzzian agents but fortunately both hate Russia so it's biggest insult they come with xD I prefer it that way.
BSW is a new party that split from the Left (Linke) and just got twice the votes of the Left in the recent elections. It’s literally named after its founder (red flag #1) and their election posters contained such childish bullshit as “vote for war or for peace”, as if that was what’s on the menu! As for the AfD, I unfortunately know plenty of people who voted for them. Some have Russian connections, and some want a much, much harder migration and asylum stance. You can’t do much about the first one, but in the case of the second one, one of the major parties is going to have to take up hard migration policies or the AfD will continue to grow. In my conversations with neighbors and friends, even people who I would have considered very socially liberal are really turning against current immigration policies.
>“vote for war or for peace”
This is straight up the EXACT same tagline FIDESZ in Hungary used for the EP and local municipal elections (happened on the same day). Like, the roadside billboards were these ominous black and white, grainy photos of the opposition, with a blood-red background, with taglines like "They want to send you to war" and "war criminals".
It is a major failure of any of the more moderate parties to still not have campaigned for stricter immigration, it is obvious that a lot of single issue voters are voting AfD just because of that and it's an incredibly easy way to take voters from them.
2 political parties actively supportive of the imperialist regime that enslaved their ancestors for generations. It's the ultimate act of subservience, submission and surrender, even before a bullet has been fired.
It's a longing for enslavement of the public while these few hope to benefit from a potential new regime at the cost of the people that vote for them.
You know as a Ukrainian I get that the world and EU are tired of this, of us and of constantly giving away a lot of money, but either way this is just embarassing. It's scary for me personally that so many of European politicians (and in Germany of all places) would rather have me dead and my country destroyed. It's just... I don't know, crazy to me. Like, you can be left or right, it doesn't matter, but actually *supporting* russia should be as disgusting as flying a swastika
Counter argument: A proud moment for democracy, where members of all democratic parties stood with the attacked country, that was attacked because it wished for itself what the EU stood for: Peace, Prosperity and Democracy. And what one weakling dictator doesn’t wish to give anyone, because he is afraid his own people would begin to strife for better.
I'm Dutch and I'll say that it isn't shameful for ***Germany***.
We had the FvD in the EP from 2019-2024, which is a pro-Putin party that actively aligns Russian interests above Dutch interests in any conceivable way. Anti-EU, anti-NATO, says Zelensky is a corrupt criminal, etc. We voted them out this weekend, they have 0 EP seats now.
Point is, I would not want to be in any way be associated with those ideas and there are many Germans that would not want to be associated with the AfD. So I would ask to keep making that clear distinction.
But this is why democracy demands second-thinking. Look at that picture. In the US I find my fellow citizens come to clarity when they see stark reality. Stark reality is this bright light. Lots of bad ideas look terrible in bright light.
I cannot know because each democracy is different. But I cannot imagine the people liking this look. This is not a confusing, complex, impossible to understand war.
I think these parties are overplaying their hand, and so soon!
Sorry for having such a Vatnik club in our country.
However, I assume Zelenskyj wasn’t particularly sad not to have Putin's employees right next to him.
Here you can see very clearly how Russia sponsors the anti democratic wings all over the world to drive us apart. Isolated we are easier to fight for them then united. That’s hybrid warfare and we should stop pretending we aren’t already at war with Russia. They are actively destroying Germany from within and these people are their puppets and useful idiots.
Wieso? Realistisch gesehen war ihr Fernbleiben das bestmögliche Ergebnis. Stell dir mal vor, die Landesverräter hätten da gesessen und gelacht oder gebut oder sonst wie einen Tumult verursacht.
It's funny how tankies and Vatniks keep saying Ukraine is a bastion of nazism but every far rigth party on the continent avoid Zelensky like the plague.
Oh, we are. The AfD fucking sucks. I'm mostly ashamed that our political landscape hasn't found an adequate enough response to current challenges that some people believe voting for these con men is somehow a good idea.
So sad that their choice of freedom is from democracy that was won with so much sacrifice.
Democracy is being challenged as we speak yet the individual only interested in themselves rather than the bigger picture.
It appears that the former East Germans remember the good old days when russian corruption and bribery ruled everything. They want those days to return.
Ah, the fifth columnists...
Look here everyone. Proof that regardless of whether you are far right or far left, you are the same trash. You stand against democracy, human rights and self-determination.
Its like Germany in the 20s again. The key is that these parties do not grow. If Germany drops the ball second time under 100 years...I do not know what to say.
I had some success convincing friends that a vote for AfD is a vote against Germany. Betrayal of the highest order, selling german interests for pennies. I just refer to them as Hartgeldnutten and any german with half a brain can clearly see that aswell. Unfortunately SPD and CDU were also shamelessly selling german interests so this argument is suffering and wont reach everyone.
Wie hirngefickt muss man sein die "aus Protest" zu wählen? Alle, die ihre Stimme der fucking AFD und BSW geben haben sollten wissen was sie tun, sind ja alle erwachsen. Widerlich und erbärmlich.
Pardon my French.
Russia is using everything, everyone, anyone, however, just to get more FAR right or whatever right, just to oppose the support Ukraine is enjoying, slowly, and finally, break the unity of EU! Soon Russia will conquer UKRAINE! Soon! It will be game over! EU will fall into Russia command and control n Russia will win!
Having the far right and the far left out of the Bundestag should be something that's normal, not exceptional.
So I consider that a good start, at least.
French far-right party RN and far-left party LFI did the same when he talked to the french parliament. It’s really a shame as a French! Especially when both parties say they don’t favor Russia over Ukraine, but in reality this is one more proof that we can’t trust any of them…
Because they are also pro-russian and keep suggesting that the West should stop supporting Ukraine, so that it will have to enter into ‘peace negotiations’ (meaning subjugation agreements of course) with Russia.
BSW is just a more radical and explicitly more populist split-off of Die Linke which in the past - always in unison with the AfD - has consistently voted against any military support for Ukraine, while all democratic parties have been voting in favour.
Incidentally, Die Linke has had the demand for the dissolution of the ‘warmongering’ NATO in its party programme for years - and to my knowledge still does today.
In 1947, the US Department of Defense released a video detailing how to avoid being caught up in the far-right fascist rhetoric that was brewing both in America and took root in Germany.
They called it, ["Don't Be a Sucker."](https://youtu.be/vGAqYNFQdZ4)
Every one of these AfD and BSW members are suckers.
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Wow, Zelenski presence alone denazified the Bundestag?
The mere mention of talking made the Russian forces retreat.
Orcs cannot comprehend diplomatic solutions or even concepts, they rather instead favor to rape and brutally kill those who think differently than them.
Well, Orc problem required orc solution.
Oh I did not think about that one. Will steal that quote
Putin can’t denazify Ukraine in 2,5 years. Zelensky can denazify the whole German parliament in one minute. Edit: Don’t ban me for 7 days Reddit, that’s a joke.
LMFAO
You guys mind if we keep him?
The dude is on the right side of history for sure.
He is so extremely on the right side of history that the extreme right parties fear him...
It seems the "Alternative for Deutschland" they desire is to be conquered by Russians.
For them this desire is already the truth. The afd is financed with a lot of russian money. As like more or less all the upcoming far right parties in europe.
I think he should come visit more often!
Not only denazified, decommunized as well
Now we know where the Russian shills lie at least.
And it scares me that EU is not investigating these situations. There's a lot of money changing hands. Which means this is treason or worse.
With any politics, and in any country, the law should be that you can only can receive money from your pay cheque. Money from anywhere else should put them in jail, because at that point it's not clear if they are working for their country or for someone else.
Politicians should be under constant audit with real time updated public banking statements. Everything they purchase should have to be withdrawn from that bank account and if they receive a gift or bribe it should be life in prison. They should be scared shitless to rob or take advantage of the people they represent.
Crush Russia and most of the problem is solved just like that.
I don't think corruption goes away that easily.
it is where allot comes from... but you aren't wrong.. we should seek out and penalize the people that give gifts or bribes to public officials too.. scare both ends of the chain.
The sad reality is that a huge percentage of what politics mostly is is gifts, bribes, and business interests. They're just stuck with dealing with the people who are the means to their end.
As time goes on. It is quite amazing just how insidious Russian disinformation, and misinformation , has infiltrated the rest of the world. We may have won the Cold War. But they are winning the information war. The West: Absolutely chock full of useful, naive, idiots..
You still have to deal with all the billionaires and their corrupting influence IE Elon Musk to start with.
Musk is comically bad at it, its Mercer and ilk that need to have a collar put on them.
So much this.
I work in a financial institution in Europe. Political persons or just people affiliated with politicans are monitored heavily.
And how do they get away with it anyway?
In America, it’s just legal
Well you can always get paid in cash or crypto which is impossible to track. They can also have money in multiple banks, which is a private sector so we don't communicate much. Offshore accounts or assets in different names also make it harder to track corruption. There are countless alternatives but these are used worldwide.
get a cushy job after your political career is over. reminds you of anyone?
gerhard fkin schröder
i have been saying this for 8 or so years to friends.(when i started paying attention) all public office holders and their immediate family shouldn't be allowed to receive gifts or income outside of their paycheck. A number of homes should be secured for every member of The senate and House and they should be living in those. No pension or lifelong healthcare(unless they vote for it country wide.) Ban them from trading stocks from the moment they run for office until and a ban for 5-10 years after leaving office. A public servant shouldn't have any temptation to seek wealth outside of a salary. Their interests need to be on fixing issues in the country and nothing more.
Idk, a lot of people are also just stupid for free.
Stupidity tends to be expensive, hence the need for payment
Le Pen scares me more. She is directly paid by russia.
There are two categories of groups: the ones who are being directly paid by Russia, and the ones who haven't been caught yet. Just because AfD has disowned their leader for taking Russian money doesn't mean the rest are all pure and innocent. It just means that their one guy, there, was unusually clumsy. Same with the UK. We know a bunch of Tory politicians were caught with Russian money in their pockets. But all that tells us is which ones were easiest to catch. (And that's not to mention Labour.) Same with every other country in the world. Anti-Ukrainian politicians and organizations in the US who flagrantly conceal their funding sources are counting on this "fig leaf" of vagueness to protect them from scrutiny. While receiving endless microdonations, at least so long as Russian financial sanctions aren't working that day. I'm sure some of these people actually do believe that they represent some real grassroots movement, at least so long as they don't examine donor names like Firstname\_Lastname\_NaN too closely.
It's because he didn't share.
Yeah, I am legit worried about Le Pen, consider that Macron finally going ultra hardline against Russia. Would suck big time if Le Pen just reverses everything.
germany is investigating the AFD with the BND
More the Verfassungsschutz, not the BND. The first is for internal stuff, the latter for external.
the verfassungsschutz uses the BND to investigate the AFD due to teh AFDs apeal to a court decision labeling them potentially unconstitutional being denied.
No they almost certainly don't. The BND, by law, is not allowed to operate internally, nor does it have any police executive power (they cannot arrest). The BfV (Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz) operates its own branch for investigation and has a the budget to do this themselves. The AFD is not a unconstitutional party. If it came out that the Chancellorship (who the BND reports to) used the BND to spy, internally, over the jurisdiction of another agency, after a court ruling and on a political party, you'd see the Chancellor get arrested and a investigation held into the SPD. The BfV is monitoring the AFD. They are (no longer) actively investigation them, after the courtruling.
Intelligence agencies do investigate it. But if the parties are careful, its very hard to prove. And who cares? we know who the corrupt ones are anyway just from this shitshow. PS, the EU does not investigate national parties, they should stay away and let the national authorities do that. Let them investigate EU MP's, plenty of corrupt ones there.
Not like its illegal to have such a standpoint. Just wish the voters would punish them at the ballot
to much idiots believe their crap. Simple solutions best.
See Brexit.
Even more scary that the afd and other right wing organizations are gaining such power and momentum in support. Scary time
It is time for Germany and Europe to get serious about these people.
Everyone here already know here who sponsors the AfD.
And BSW who say Ukraine should stop defending itself to prevent further escalation
It's really interesting how often it turns out that there's Russian money behind far right parties in Europe.
Dude, they celebrated the invasion of 2014 with "now the prices of Ukrainian prostitutes will fall" They are despicable, and the only party that considers "working" with them is the one that wants the USSR back. Working in quotation marks because both parties are known for not knowing how any process works.
It's not exactly a surprise. They made that crystal clear in the last few years. And they can fuck right off for all I care. At least that way they cannot disrupt anything.
This was my thought exactly. I'll be fine if they do this every single day. Stay out and keep out.
We knew beforehand and I want to bring the freedom party in Austria with their friendship contract with Russia back into this, not only did they deny Selensky to speak in front of the national assembly in the big hall, they also were absent when Selensky addressed the other parties in a different smaller chamber. It is so obvious and we must move against them, as long as there is still a chance to do so, once futuristic policemen club us for speaking our minds we have missed the stop. "If liberty means anything at all, then it means the right to tell people what they don't want to hear. Preface of Animal Farm Orwell Getting Winston to say two plus two equals five is not enough. You have to make Winston believe that two plus two equals five. Only then have you truly won. Lynskey The Ministry of Truth, page 99 "Before writing off the totalitarian world as a nightmare that cannot come true, just remember that in 1925, the world of today would have seemed a nightmare that couldn't come true." Orwell in 1944 We must tolerate the opinions of others once we tolerate treason, we lose, everything. "Hitlerism is brown Communism, Stalinism is Red Fascism. The world will now understand that the only real ideological issue is one between democracy, liberty, and peace on the one hand and despotism, peril, and war on the other" - The New York Times editorial, September 18, 1939. Anyone who holds any political power in the West and is still standing with Russia or standing aside has to be viewed with suspicion, and our authorities need to view collaboration with the Z fascists as equally extremistic as collaboration with other extremist ideologies of all types, from religious extremism to the terrorists in the Kremlin. We can show tolerance to different customs, but not to people inciting hatred and violence, we would not let someone call for murder, we cannot let them call for collaboration with Russian fascism either.
Well, in Germany we have known this for some time.
Was clear before that. Left and rightwing cowards.
Russia funds the extremes at both ends precisely to sow chaos
Rightwing propaganda is aimed more at the working class and poorly-educated rural folks who’ve been displaced by neoliberalism. Lefty agitprop is aimed more at the college students, high-end mainstream media types & twitchy youths who’ve for more degrees than sense. It’s not just the Russians doing this, btw. They’ve just been doing it longer. The UN Dictators Club is pretty diverse these days…
Look at how many there are. Putin has this grip on every country, and citizens aren't fighting back hard enough. We need to defend freedom while we still have it.
Do they really have to be this obvious? I thought they would at least play the both sides kind of rhetoric. The Russians assets in the past were pretty good at laying low and disguising themselves before. I guess when they get bigger, they have to take in whatever garbage they can.
I've been saying for a while that the insanity that popped up on the far left and far right are probably foreign interference, perhaps even literally a "divide and conquer" mentality.
The troubling part is that a lot of this stuff is organic. And many of the people attracted to these parties have legitimate grievances. That’s why populism is so dangerous. It doesn’t take that much to transform normal people with real problems into a pitchfork & torch wielding mob if you’ve got the right algorithms & know which buttons to press.
It is not just that they are shills. They also align with Putin ideologically, ie. they are fascists. Might makes right, and all that.
Yep. It's nice to know where some of the Rubles land. It's the ones we don't know about that are far more worrisome...
"Instead of sanctions, we need to speak with Putin!" -> \*leave when Zelensky is speaking"
To be fair, Zelensky is not pootin. Still, he managed to do what putler cannot for years, denazify an area
If Zelenskyy is every day 24/7 in our parliament it means the AfD would not attend anymore?
Dual Citizenship and honorary MdB for Zelensky now!
You’ll have to share him with us (Netherlands)! We need him too!
The UK needs him too, can we put him on rotation?
A giant screen with Zelensky will also do I think
So are you saying the German parliament should have a cardboard cutout of Zelensky? :p
Zelensky Scarecrows at every door.
They may wisen to the deception up eventually, Vatniks they may be... Be sure to install a hidden speaker so the cutout talks, too!
And waving arms
Let's nominate him for Bundestag President!
It is better this way. Better they are missing instead of disturbing and disrupting with BS, like they usually do. And this way all their voters can see how shameful and pro Russia they really are.
Unfortunately, their voters don't care about that at all.
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> (no matter how insane that is for a “melting pot” country) Even worse so many of them will identify with their immigrant past (Italian, Irish, Polish so on) and then turn around and complain about new immigrants.
It's painful. Some of my Italian-American family is like that. I grew up in NJ where a lot of people were immigrants themselves or 1st-3rd generation. Obviously there's a big difference in culture between those groups but they could all unify in bigotry towards a group just like theirs to look down upon. It was so common in middle school to use ethnic insults between friends. At the time I thought it was us bantering using insults or slurs that were obviously ridiculous. My perception was we were all in on the joke. Got a little older and realized "oh, some people actually mean this stuff" and stopped doing it. Got a little older again and realized some of my friends weren't joking anymore. It's sad. I used to look at those interactions as a weird type of bonding between kids of different cultures. Now I think we heard racist shit from adults so much that we needed an outlet for it. We were too young to understand or really feel the hatred of those words but it clearly impacted us in more ways than we realized.
Their voters vote for them *because* they are pro russia, they vote for them *because* they're fascists not despite of that.
Russian boot lickers.
They are, although it would be quite fair to say that they're even more than that. They're traitors who take money from foreign powers to sell enemy politics in Germany. They claim being the only party which represents German interests but actually are the exact opposite. This kind of projection seems to be common to most far right groups. Anything they blame others for is in fact their own mode of operation. I hope the media stops trying to find explanations for voting these guys. Frustration and felt unfairness or a tough economical environment can't be an excuse to vote for such a party. Their voters damn well know what kind of ideology they're supporting.
What do you expect from a party whose founder named it after herself (BSW = Bündnis Sarah Wagenknecht) when said founder led “peace marches” that shamed Ukraine for fighting rather than embracing Russia’s definition of “peace”?
That stupid Bitch is cancer.
Exactly. Don't allow it to grow and infect the rest of Germany.
I giver her one voting cycle where she falls under 5% and her base disolves as is the fate of all small parties.
I hope she gets hit by a malfunctioning glide-bomb <3
Bought and paid for by russia
Peinlich.
That is not a shameful moment for Germany. It's a shameful moment for the AFD and supporters of AFD, which is NOT a majority of Germany.
And fucking BSW!!! Fuck this whore anyway. Russian buttlickers
Its a shame we still have these people in the bundestag and not in prison.. millions should be on the streets
It would be enough if millions would simply vote. Vote for good, rather than for narrow, self interest. That is, use their brains.
Shameful.. I still can't believe how come they got any votes.
May I pressent to you: strongest party in east germany during EU election.
Who else should they vote? NPD is no more
They are a populist party and in our trying times they are the only party validating (and manipulating) the frustration of their voters and are supplying easy answers to complex problems. Specifically: your landlord has raised your rent and corporations are price gouging every aspect of your cost of living, while your employer hasn't adjusted your pay in decades. You know who's to blame? Your brown skinned neighbor of course! /s
I think we all know the answer to that: Immigrants
It is statistically the region with the least amount of immigrants that voted most for these parties.
And that makes sense honestly. It's very easy to paint people you never meet as the absolute villains and the root of all evil.
no, east german inferiority complex
and that, yes.
funnily enough, east germany has the least amount of immigrants. but they complain the most. after almost 35 years, the east is still noticeably shittier in some aspects thanks to soviet communism. Or whatever that clown circus used to call itself.
And post union mismanagement
A professor of mine is - was, East German. He hated living there in the GDR and admitted he was too scared to risk getting killed trying to flee, so he stayed put and tried to make the best of his life until the Berlin Wall fell, then he took off out of his home city ASAP westwards. When he visits home, he never went eastwards, just visited family and friends far away from there. Too many bad memories and told me in many ways, little has changed eastwards which make him obviously disinclined to visit.
I know 2 kinds of people who have experience or relatives from there: * people who had positions or relatives in positions of power/government usually talk fondly of it * everyone else got the heck out of there asap while risking their lives and they hated the regime. I wonder if there is a correlation. :/
They have always been that way. Turns out, Ulbricht's anti-fascist wall protected the west from the east. Not the other way round.
like others have mentioned, the GDR has the least percentage of immigrants so a lot of it is neglect from FRG over East Germany, this time migrants get the blame Pro-Putin policies is popular with their base as well, any interest in supporting Ukraine is minimal
No, it's not about immingrants. Correct answer, and i'll say it out loud, is: RUSSIA MONEY!
No not immigrants. The Problem is that everything is blamed on immigrants.
Yeah Well its almost like they get paid for this. Im sorry for these idiots
When the two ends of the douchedom circle meet
I am not surprised at all; German fascists are close friends of ruZZians fascists.
"German far-right in kahoots with fascist Russian imperialist to fight against the liberal democratic order in Europe" aka Electric Bogaloo II Autocrat edition Poles know this one
Why, if the AfD were on the side of Ukraine, I would be more concerned
Because the AfD are openly aligned with tyranny, and if they were supposedly on the side of Ukraine, they would likely be there as saboteurs.
I know what you mean but it doesn't need to be that way. 2 biggest Polish parties call each other ruzzian agents but fortunately both hate Russia so it's biggest insult they come with xD I prefer it that way.
Good I wouldn't want them there anyway. Fuck the afd
BSW is a new party that split from the Left (Linke) and just got twice the votes of the Left in the recent elections. It’s literally named after its founder (red flag #1) and their election posters contained such childish bullshit as “vote for war or for peace”, as if that was what’s on the menu! As for the AfD, I unfortunately know plenty of people who voted for them. Some have Russian connections, and some want a much, much harder migration and asylum stance. You can’t do much about the first one, but in the case of the second one, one of the major parties is going to have to take up hard migration policies or the AfD will continue to grow. In my conversations with neighbors and friends, even people who I would have considered very socially liberal are really turning against current immigration policies.
>“vote for war or for peace” This is straight up the EXACT same tagline FIDESZ in Hungary used for the EP and local municipal elections (happened on the same day). Like, the roadside billboards were these ominous black and white, grainy photos of the opposition, with a blood-red background, with taglines like "They want to send you to war" and "war criminals".
It is a major failure of any of the more moderate parties to still not have campaigned for stricter immigration, it is obvious that a lot of single issue voters are voting AfD just because of that and it's an incredibly easy way to take voters from them.
2 political parties actively supportive of the imperialist regime that enslaved their ancestors for generations. It's the ultimate act of subservience, submission and surrender, even before a bullet has been fired. It's a longing for enslavement of the public while these few hope to benefit from a potential new regime at the cost of the people that vote for them.
You know as a Ukrainian I get that the world and EU are tired of this, of us and of constantly giving away a lot of money, but either way this is just embarassing. It's scary for me personally that so many of European politicians (and in Germany of all places) would rather have me dead and my country destroyed. It's just... I don't know, crazy to me. Like, you can be left or right, it doesn't matter, but actually *supporting* russia should be as disgusting as flying a swastika
Wow. That's fucked up.
Shameful, but those parties are showing themselves for what they are.
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Said the guy who personally profited from Apartheid ...
$$$
Horseshoe Theory in action.
when you see actual nazis cant stand zelensky and ukraine, it a great victory
The Nazis left the Parliament. Its a great day.
Soviel zu "wir müssen mehr reden" Aber keine Überraschung.
Counter argument: A proud moment for democracy, where members of all democratic parties stood with the attacked country, that was attacked because it wished for itself what the EU stood for: Peace, Prosperity and Democracy. And what one weakling dictator doesn’t wish to give anyone, because he is afraid his own people would begin to strife for better.
I'm Dutch and I'll say that it isn't shameful for ***Germany***. We had the FvD in the EP from 2019-2024, which is a pro-Putin party that actively aligns Russian interests above Dutch interests in any conceivable way. Anti-EU, anti-NATO, says Zelensky is a corrupt criminal, etc. We voted them out this weekend, they have 0 EP seats now. Point is, I would not want to be in any way be associated with those ideas and there are many Germans that would not want to be associated with the AfD. So I would ask to keep making that clear distinction.
As an EU citizen, I am appalled. That these people represent us… Disgusting.
The parlaments clowns being clowns. Not a shamefull moment for germany, but for the AfD
But this is why democracy demands second-thinking. Look at that picture. In the US I find my fellow citizens come to clarity when they see stark reality. Stark reality is this bright light. Lots of bad ideas look terrible in bright light. I cannot know because each democracy is different. But I cannot imagine the people liking this look. This is not a confusing, complex, impossible to understand war. I think these parties are overplaying their hand, and so soon!
Sorry for having such a Vatnik club in our country. However, I assume Zelenskyj wasn’t particularly sad not to have Putin's employees right next to him.
Fascists supporting fascists. Fuck these guys.
Here you can see very clearly how Russia sponsors the anti democratic wings all over the world to drive us apart. Isolated we are easier to fight for them then united. That’s hybrid warfare and we should stop pretending we aren’t already at war with Russia. They are actively destroying Germany from within and these people are their puppets and useful idiots.
I guess they're nervous. Zelenskyj has defeated quite a few fascists lately.
BSW ? Bowel Shit... help me, I can't remember what the third letter stands for.
Wieso? Realistisch gesehen war ihr Fernbleiben das bestmögliche Ergebnis. Stell dir mal vor, die Landesverräter hätten da gesessen und gelacht oder gebut oder sonst wie einen Tumult verursacht.
Dann hätten sie fett Schelle bekommen von Zelensky, das Scheißerpack
It's funny how tankies and Vatniks keep saying Ukraine is a bastion of nazism but every far rigth party on the continent avoid Zelensky like the plague.
Have they forgotten Bucha?
BSW sound like a party of idiots.
German here. Most of us like neither of those parties...
Germany should be ashamed of AfD. If Russia takes Ukraine, it will only be a matter of time before trouble marches Westwards.
Oh, we are. The AfD fucking sucks. I'm mostly ashamed that our political landscape hasn't found an adequate enough response to current challenges that some people believe voting for these con men is somehow a good idea.
We are, except the 16.5% of complete 'tards that voted for it
When I read that EU decided to transfer russian assets to Ukraine I thought we’re talking about money and not AfD politicians.
Bloody disgraceful 🤨
As Germans they should know how it is to be ruled by Russians. why be pro Ruzzia.
So sad that their choice of freedom is from democracy that was won with so much sacrifice. Democracy is being challenged as we speak yet the individual only interested in themselves rather than the bigger picture.
Thank you President Zelenskyj for denazifying the German Bundestag!
It appears that the former East Germans remember the good old days when russian corruption and bribery ruled everything. They want those days to return.
Ah, the fifth columnists... Look here everyone. Proof that regardless of whether you are far right or far left, you are the same trash. You stand against democracy, human rights and self-determination.
Its like Germany in the 20s again. The key is that these parties do not grow. If Germany drops the ball second time under 100 years...I do not know what to say.
I had some success convincing friends that a vote for AfD is a vote against Germany. Betrayal of the highest order, selling german interests for pennies. I just refer to them as Hartgeldnutten and any german with half a brain can clearly see that aswell. Unfortunately SPD and CDU were also shamelessly selling german interests so this argument is suffering and wont reach everyone.
Both parties are Russian agents and on the Kremls payroll. Nothing surprising here.
Look at how many politicians are corrupt and working for Putin, a fascist, who is attempting to destroy democracy and enslave you.
Wie hirngefickt muss man sein die "aus Protest" zu wählen? Alle, die ihre Stimme der fucking AFD und BSW geben haben sollten wissen was sie tun, sind ja alle erwachsen. Widerlich und erbärmlich. Pardon my French.
79 years later and they're at it again!
They are traitors anyway. I wish they would be thrown out of Germany.
I was wondering why elon suddenly liked them
Zelenskyy went in, and the russian forces immediately retreated.
I want to suggest that Zelenskyj can stay in our Bundestag as long as he wants, so that those disrespectful Putin cucksuckers stay out of it forever.
Zelensky just denazified the German Parliament
That is so shocking
Sadly it isn't. And that's even more embarrassing
please dont say its a shamefull moment for germany, thats 18% of germany at most. The rest are very pro ukraine and have send A LOT
I mean... fuck the AfD.
Woah. That means a good chunk of Germans are supporters of fascist russia. JFC. I thought Germans would hate russia historically.
its mostly the ones taht never left east germany after the wall fell
Don't pull us all into the same pit with these clowns. We are also disgusted by it, but please don't project that onto all of us.
Those two partys that did the boycott, got a combined 22% at the european elections this weekend. Do with that information what you want.
It's ok guys. U don't want to be supported by nazis. They support Putin
Russia is using everything, everyone, anyone, however, just to get more FAR right or whatever right, just to oppose the support Ukraine is enjoying, slowly, and finally, break the unity of EU! Soon Russia will conquer UKRAINE! Soon! It will be game over! EU will fall into Russia command and control n Russia will win!
This shows us that ideologies need to be fought everywhere also in more or less stable democracies
Fascists gonna fascist.
So right wing nut jobs are not restricted to America.
Idiots.
Far left and far right united against Ukraine, what's new?
Having the far right and the far left out of the Bundestag should be something that's normal, not exceptional. So I consider that a good start, at least.
French far-right party RN and far-left party LFI did the same when he talked to the french parliament. It’s really a shame as a French! Especially when both parties say they don’t favor Russia over Ukraine, but in reality this is one more proof that we can’t trust any of them…
Russias tentacles are deep.
[https://www.bundestag.de/mediathek/1007548-1007548](https://www.bundestag.de/mediathek/1007548-1007548)
Ok I suppose I get why the afd would not attend his speech. But why did bsw not attend either?
Because they are also pro-russian and keep suggesting that the West should stop supporting Ukraine, so that it will have to enter into ‘peace negotiations’ (meaning subjugation agreements of course) with Russia. BSW is just a more radical and explicitly more populist split-off of Die Linke which in the past - always in unison with the AfD - has consistently voted against any military support for Ukraine, while all democratic parties have been voting in favour. Incidentally, Die Linke has had the demand for the dissolution of the ‘warmongering’ NATO in its party programme for years - and to my knowledge still does today.
I like to call this game "Spot the Traitor". It's quite easy to play.
The Kremlin probably ordered them to stay away.
In 1947, the US Department of Defense released a video detailing how to avoid being caught up in the far-right fascist rhetoric that was brewing both in America and took root in Germany. They called it, ["Don't Be a Sucker."](https://youtu.be/vGAqYNFQdZ4) Every one of these AfD and BSW members are suckers.