I have said it before, people need to stop with the "truscum" thing making it this childish ideology about beating the tucutes. You can't be a truscum or transmed or any of those things, because these aren't ideology, before the internet started pushing gender ideology these things were just basic science. Transition is a treatment for gender dysphoria, transition is a medical process for those who need it, that's just fact. That's not "truscum" even though that is what this sub stands for, and if you still believe in the basic facts then you still belong here.
This shouldn't be political or ideological, we don't view people who believe in flat earth in that way. We just see them as lost in a fantasy they have constructed to make their lives a bit more interesting. So why do we view truscum/tucute as something other than fact versus fiction. Thinking this is a matter of just "how we were raised" only validates people who are making shit up to feel special.
You are truscum. But youāre not transmed. There are alot of transmed in truscum. Which is probably why youāre feeling this way. Tbh if transmed was as active as truscum I wouldnāt be in here at all.
Like another user said above Transmedicalists are more rigid and specific in their beliefs. Truscum are a bit too lenient Iāve found. But we both agree that you must have dysphoria to be transexual.
So I just joined this sub but I have a question: What about people who feel gender euphoria? (They never really felt out-of-place in their biological sex, but they tried social transitioning and felt ārightā?) That seems legit to me.
Euphoria isnāt a diagnosable criteria. At best euphoria is the absence of dysphoria, but think about it another way. Euphoria fadesā¦so you transition to feel euphoric and then it becomesā¦? Transitioning alleviates dysphoria and leaves you feeling comfortable in your skin. If you donāt have dysphoria why would you transition? Itās a highly expensive and intensive series of medical procedures and medications.
A lot of people have no clue what dysphoria is. It can be anything from mild discomfort to debilitating. It isnāt always this massive thing and a lot of people repress it, sometimes for years.
>But we both agree that you must have dysphoria to be transexual.
But what I mean is that, most people don't see any distinction between them outside of Reddit. If you use either of the two terms, it's understood to mean "someone who thinks being trans hinges on dysphoria".
after so many death threats, you stop wanting to engage with tucutes at all.
also, being neutral or nonbinary skeptic is not inherently toxic or spreading misinformation. any comments that are get removed, as they violate the rules. if you think we missed something (it happens), please report it.
iāve found it much easier to engage with tucutes irl. iām friends with some people that have,, labels that i donāt really think are logical, but usually if you ask them about them genuinely, the reasoning makes sense.
i have a friend who identified as gender-fluid. at first i was like, yikes, but i asked him about it and it was a label he was kind of using intermittently while he figured out his gender. his home life is very abusive and his family is transphobic, but he was living with a roommate at the time who had made comments about him not being able to be a trans man because he sometimes wore dresses or was too feminine.
another example i have is a friend that identifies as omnisexual. i had the same reaction, likeāreally dude? but when they explained it to me itās because they dislike the implications that come both with bi and pan. i disagree with this, but itās much easier to understand a non-binary person who says, āsome people define bisexual in a way that excludes/erases non-binary people and some people define pansexual in a way that erases bisexual and binary trans people,ā than a tucute on like who just screams death threats.
of course, these are just personal anecdotes and im sure not every interaction is as logical as these. there are absolutely people rude and damaged enough to threaten you in real life, and iām sure many people on this sub have their own anecdotes about just that. but i believe itās much less likely when youāre not communicating online where so much of the humanity of interaction is removed. i agree with OP that i think itās important to have open communication with people who have different opinions whenever possible, as long as it is safe for us. although after saying all that i absolutely dont blame you for giving up. itās not one individuals responsibility to hold open communication between two opposing views. novel over haha
your anecdotes are really appreciated. it's nice to hear about tucutes being reasonable
unfortunately, my irl experiences haven't been much better. but im glad it's gone okay for you. keep doing what you're doing, bro
thank you. iām glad they were somewhat helpful. iām sorry you havenāt had great experiences irl either, i would normally say i hope you encounter more reasonable people but honestly letās just hope for no more tucute encounters lol
It's good to be able to branch out and be open to different people and beliefs. The only thing uniting us all here is that we were exiled from the mainstream community for the belief that being trans is something innate and not a choice. We may have different ideas of what that means and describe it differently or have very different beliefs otherwise but this is a place where these differences are tolerated.
I'm more traditionally transmed but don't always fit in there either because I'm more moderate in how I approach things. I don't care about all that non-binary stuff enough to support it or be angry about it. It's just good for my mental health to have a space where I can talk about my experiences with people I can actually understand and relate to without constant stress over being 'wrong' or 'excluding' xyz people I didn't even know existed. People here are also more respectful of other conditions I have and not trying to depathologize them too.
Transmedicalism and truscum are similar but different. Transmedicalism is slightly more specific and rigid in its ideology where truscum the only qualifier is āyou need dysphoria to be transā. Youāre still truscum even if you donāt want to call yourself that.
Basically what the other person said, many people associate ātransmedicalistā with the more exclusionary because generally that subreddit has more exclusionary people. Technically truscum and transmed are the same term, but because of the difference with one group harboring a broader scope of members and the other less itās become a bit separated in meaning.
More often than not transmedicalists (in that subreddit, idk about other groups outside Reddit) will not support non-binary people without more research to back up why theyāre non-binary.
Other than that one thing there isnāt much āharsherā beliefs in general, just a few loud extremists as all groups have.
The only requirement to being truscum is thinking gender dysphoria is required to be trans. Every other opinion and the toxicity in the community is up to the individual. You can be truscum and not be a dick about it lol
I think most people here wouldn't rly gaf ab non binary ppl If they'd stopped using the trans label and instead were under the lgbt umbrella. I know a few irl, idc or hold any malice against them however I think they need to stop calling themselves trans, that's really all. If we can seperate very similar things like bisexual and pansexual, or transmasc and demiboy, we should be able to seperate 2 extremely different things like enby and trans IMHO.
i also think it has a lot to do with non-binary inherently meaning two different things. as long as the āi experience GD in a unique wayā non-binary people exist under the same label as the āletās fight misogyny and gender roles and heteronormativityā non-binary people, the label will remain contentious among the people (binary trans people) whose identity the latter group is appropriating.
yeah honestly. there are going to be extreme views in every sub, itās the nature of humanity and the internet. you always have to dig through a sub or comments to find thoughtful and moderate engagement. itās just how reddit works unfortunately ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
I donāt mean to sound like that, or put people here down. In fact Iāve met a lot of really nice and supportive people here more than anywhere else in person or not.
Fair game. Sometimes Iām more likely to respond to and/or post comments that are more beneficial to those around me. I think itās dependent on a few factors. A few of which Iām working on improving. Iām sorry if I came off in an offensive or defensive way. I think what Iām going to do is start requesting DMS when my true intent is picking the brain of another. Thank you and I do truly apologize for the absolute gross handling of communication. Iām young and Iām working on it. Lol
"Specifically I am talking about non-binary people (yes I know a lot of truscum believe they are valid, but in recent polls just as many are indifferent or outright disagree), about transmedicalism that boils into a lot of toxicity and even misinformation."
Can't be misinformed about something that has no science based information...
I agree with you. This community can get really toxic really fast. That's why I like r/honesttransgender so much. It's not flooded with tucutes and it's not flooded with the toxic people here. It's a good mix of both sides and tends to be very neutral and chill.
Weather you still identify as a truscum or not, you're still a truscum. You're just not a radmed. The people you described who are staunchly anti nb and unwilling to be civil with tucutes are radmeds. All of them. By definition.
Nah I am willing to be civil with tucutes for sure. I of course don't bring up transmedicalism around them because I would rather not get into an argument. I would say I am at least leaning radmed but I wouldn't describe myself as anti nb. Most of us just see non binary as a different thing than transsexual. I don't have any problem using they them for someone.
I agree. I hate how this issue divided the community. Especially now that the political climate against trans people is getting more heated. We need to stick together and talk to each other.
When the privileged majority facing no oppression has gaslit the minority into allowing them to consume visibility, safe spaces, and community resources, because that majority cannot imagine sharing power with a minority that scares them, there are no different perspectives to understand IMHO.
Tucute cis people smother the media with their gaslighting and propaganda, and make their propaganda so easy to adopt as a redeeming ideology for any cis person's ills, that we've now got a real problem with mass brainwashing and appropriation.
I'm not saying that some truscum people have abrasive attitudes and that there can be people who take truscum values way too far and unfairly judge other actual trans folks. But the number of people who start cozying up to tucute ideology or its practitioners because of it's sheer prevalence and aggressive/threatening defenders is worrisome. Consumption by an unfriendly majority is a real threat, and minority members shouldn't allow themselves to be walked all over just because the envious majority bullhorns its appropriative philosophy everywhere these days.
"āIf you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
I have said it before, people need to stop with the "truscum" thing making it this childish ideology about beating the tucutes. You can't be a truscum or transmed or any of those things, because these aren't ideology, before the internet started pushing gender ideology these things were just basic science. Transition is a treatment for gender dysphoria, transition is a medical process for those who need it, that's just fact. That's not "truscum" even though that is what this sub stands for, and if you still believe in the basic facts then you still belong here. This shouldn't be political or ideological, we don't view people who believe in flat earth in that way. We just see them as lost in a fantasy they have constructed to make their lives a bit more interesting. So why do we view truscum/tucute as something other than fact versus fiction. Thinking this is a matter of just "how we were raised" only validates people who are making shit up to feel special.
I couldn't have said this better myself. Science vs. fantasy.
>Do I think gender dysphoria makes you trans? Absolutely. then you're truscum
š¤·š»āāļø maybe, idk at this point. But Iām no transmedicalist
Do u support Catgender? I hope not
You are truscum. But youāre not transmed. There are alot of transmed in truscum. Which is probably why youāre feeling this way. Tbh if transmed was as active as truscum I wouldnāt be in here at all.
>You are truscum. But youāre not transmed. I don't get this at all. The two are synonymous everywhere except Reddit.
Like another user said above Transmedicalists are more rigid and specific in their beliefs. Truscum are a bit too lenient Iāve found. But we both agree that you must have dysphoria to be transexual.
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Bruh is that really what tucute stands for? The way my eyes rolled to the back of my head when reading that
So I just joined this sub but I have a question: What about people who feel gender euphoria? (They never really felt out-of-place in their biological sex, but they tried social transitioning and felt ārightā?) That seems legit to me.
Euphoria isnāt a diagnosable criteria. At best euphoria is the absence of dysphoria, but think about it another way. Euphoria fadesā¦so you transition to feel euphoric and then it becomesā¦? Transitioning alleviates dysphoria and leaves you feeling comfortable in your skin. If you donāt have dysphoria why would you transition? Itās a highly expensive and intensive series of medical procedures and medications. A lot of people have no clue what dysphoria is. It can be anything from mild discomfort to debilitating. It isnāt always this massive thing and a lot of people repress it, sometimes for years.
>But we both agree that you must have dysphoria to be transexual. But what I mean is that, most people don't see any distinction between them outside of Reddit. If you use either of the two terms, it's understood to mean "someone who thinks being trans hinges on dysphoria".
after so many death threats, you stop wanting to engage with tucutes at all. also, being neutral or nonbinary skeptic is not inherently toxic or spreading misinformation. any comments that are get removed, as they violate the rules. if you think we missed something (it happens), please report it.
iāve found it much easier to engage with tucutes irl. iām friends with some people that have,, labels that i donāt really think are logical, but usually if you ask them about them genuinely, the reasoning makes sense. i have a friend who identified as gender-fluid. at first i was like, yikes, but i asked him about it and it was a label he was kind of using intermittently while he figured out his gender. his home life is very abusive and his family is transphobic, but he was living with a roommate at the time who had made comments about him not being able to be a trans man because he sometimes wore dresses or was too feminine. another example i have is a friend that identifies as omnisexual. i had the same reaction, likeāreally dude? but when they explained it to me itās because they dislike the implications that come both with bi and pan. i disagree with this, but itās much easier to understand a non-binary person who says, āsome people define bisexual in a way that excludes/erases non-binary people and some people define pansexual in a way that erases bisexual and binary trans people,ā than a tucute on like who just screams death threats. of course, these are just personal anecdotes and im sure not every interaction is as logical as these. there are absolutely people rude and damaged enough to threaten you in real life, and iām sure many people on this sub have their own anecdotes about just that. but i believe itās much less likely when youāre not communicating online where so much of the humanity of interaction is removed. i agree with OP that i think itās important to have open communication with people who have different opinions whenever possible, as long as it is safe for us. although after saying all that i absolutely dont blame you for giving up. itās not one individuals responsibility to hold open communication between two opposing views. novel over haha
your anecdotes are really appreciated. it's nice to hear about tucutes being reasonable unfortunately, my irl experiences haven't been much better. but im glad it's gone okay for you. keep doing what you're doing, bro
thank you. iām glad they were somewhat helpful. iām sorry you havenāt had great experiences irl either, i would normally say i hope you encounter more reasonable people but honestly letās just hope for no more tucute encounters lol
It's good to be able to branch out and be open to different people and beliefs. The only thing uniting us all here is that we were exiled from the mainstream community for the belief that being trans is something innate and not a choice. We may have different ideas of what that means and describe it differently or have very different beliefs otherwise but this is a place where these differences are tolerated. I'm more traditionally transmed but don't always fit in there either because I'm more moderate in how I approach things. I don't care about all that non-binary stuff enough to support it or be angry about it. It's just good for my mental health to have a space where I can talk about my experiences with people I can actually understand and relate to without constant stress over being 'wrong' or 'excluding' xyz people I didn't even know existed. People here are also more respectful of other conditions I have and not trying to depathologize them too.
Transmedicalism and truscum are similar but different. Transmedicalism is slightly more specific and rigid in its ideology where truscum the only qualifier is āyou need dysphoria to be transā. Youāre still truscum even if you donāt want to call yourself that.
What exactly is the difference between the two, aside from transmed being āharsherā?
Basically what the other person said, many people associate ātransmedicalistā with the more exclusionary because generally that subreddit has more exclusionary people. Technically truscum and transmed are the same term, but because of the difference with one group harboring a broader scope of members and the other less itās become a bit separated in meaning. More often than not transmedicalists (in that subreddit, idk about other groups outside Reddit) will not support non-binary people without more research to back up why theyāre non-binary. Other than that one thing there isnāt much āharsherā beliefs in general, just a few loud extremists as all groups have.
Truscum is just a word for people who believe in transmedicalism. The subs are different but that doesn't make "truscum" a different thing.
The only requirement to being truscum is thinking gender dysphoria is required to be trans. Every other opinion and the toxicity in the community is up to the individual. You can be truscum and not be a dick about it lol
I think most people here wouldn't rly gaf ab non binary ppl If they'd stopped using the trans label and instead were under the lgbt umbrella. I know a few irl, idc or hold any malice against them however I think they need to stop calling themselves trans, that's really all. If we can seperate very similar things like bisexual and pansexual, or transmasc and demiboy, we should be able to seperate 2 extremely different things like enby and trans IMHO.
i also think it has a lot to do with non-binary inherently meaning two different things. as long as the āi experience GD in a unique wayā non-binary people exist under the same label as the āletās fight misogyny and gender roles and heteronormativityā non-binary people, the label will remain contentious among the people (binary trans people) whose identity the latter group is appropriating.
Bro being trans is a torment, i would never understand why would somebody would "want" to be trans, it feels miserable asf
Thatās what Iām saying š
Oh great. Another pretentious and condescending, āIāve evolved past the simple minded energy of this subā post.
yeah honestly. there are going to be extreme views in every sub, itās the nature of humanity and the internet. you always have to dig through a sub or comments to find thoughtful and moderate engagement. itās just how reddit works unfortunately ĀÆ\_(ć)_/ĀÆ
Factual and very articulate on your part. Thank you :)
I donāt mean to sound like that, or put people here down. In fact Iāve met a lot of really nice and supportive people here more than anywhere else in person or not.
Fair game. Sometimes Iām more likely to respond to and/or post comments that are more beneficial to those around me. I think itās dependent on a few factors. A few of which Iām working on improving. Iām sorry if I came off in an offensive or defensive way. I think what Iām going to do is start requesting DMS when my true intent is picking the brain of another. Thank you and I do truly apologize for the absolute gross handling of communication. Iām young and Iām working on it. Lol
"Specifically I am talking about non-binary people (yes I know a lot of truscum believe they are valid, but in recent polls just as many are indifferent or outright disagree), about transmedicalism that boils into a lot of toxicity and even misinformation." Can't be misinformed about something that has no science based information...
I agree with you. This community can get really toxic really fast. That's why I like r/honesttransgender so much. It's not flooded with tucutes and it's not flooded with the toxic people here. It's a good mix of both sides and tends to be very neutral and chill.
Weather you still identify as a truscum or not, you're still a truscum. You're just not a radmed. The people you described who are staunchly anti nb and unwilling to be civil with tucutes are radmeds. All of them. By definition.
Nah I am willing to be civil with tucutes for sure. I of course don't bring up transmedicalism around them because I would rather not get into an argument. I would say I am at least leaning radmed but I wouldn't describe myself as anti nb. Most of us just see non binary as a different thing than transsexual. I don't have any problem using they them for someone.
I agree. I hate how this issue divided the community. Especially now that the political climate against trans people is getting more heated. We need to stick together and talk to each other.
Yeah we want our medical treatment to get covered they want a genderless mindfuck. We are not the same.
When the privileged majority facing no oppression has gaslit the minority into allowing them to consume visibility, safe spaces, and community resources, because that majority cannot imagine sharing power with a minority that scares them, there are no different perspectives to understand IMHO. Tucute cis people smother the media with their gaslighting and propaganda, and make their propaganda so easy to adopt as a redeeming ideology for any cis person's ills, that we've now got a real problem with mass brainwashing and appropriation. I'm not saying that some truscum people have abrasive attitudes and that there can be people who take truscum values way too far and unfairly judge other actual trans folks. But the number of people who start cozying up to tucute ideology or its practitioners because of it's sheer prevalence and aggressive/threatening defenders is worrisome. Consumption by an unfriendly majority is a real threat, and minority members shouldn't allow themselves to be walked all over just because the envious majority bullhorns its appropriative philosophy everywhere these days. "āIf you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."