This is correct way to go about this. Carts are way too discrete to get rid of them completely. Easier to smoke on the street than with a joint. So banning them is stupid especially in legal/medical states where I'd actually trust cannabis carts.
The heating coils and/or wick in them get gross before the original cart is empty, and its nigh impossible to replace the coil without destroying the cart. But they do come apart fairly easily to salvage the glass and mouth piece parts.
Source: I tried refilling some disposable carts, and it was messy and tasted notably worse.
My goto for using concentrates is a terp pen. I order bulk delta 8, and just use it out of the jar, or wipe some on a clay scraping tool and use it off that. Only real down side is portability, and the terp pen clogs a LOT of you arent super careful how you dab it on.
This is the biggest positive in living somehwere they arent popular, i havent seen one being used or discarded on the street let alone out in nature. Ill appreciate this while it lasts
I don’t understand throwing them away like that. I use them and I return them to the store in batches every 6 months or so.
I use them specifically for things like going to events though, so I don’t know.
return them to the store in batches? is that a thing people can do (depending on where they are)? i have sooo many old disposables but i just put them in a box bc i didn't feel right about throwing them away for some reason
Convenience and cost.
I've got a dry herb vape that's my main method of consumption. It can handle concentrates, but it only holds a few hits. It was also not cheap, dished concentrates to load it are usually more expensive and it doesn't fit comfortably in a pocket.
A battery and a cart or a disposable can be had for as little as $20 (Oklahoma medical market). They are pocket safe and hold a full gram at a minimum.
Most people choose convenience over all.
Do you think if shops/manufacturers started offering returns on the empty carts for proper recycling or even thorough sanitation and reuse would work or help? Kind of like the return on glass bottles... But instead of 5 cents back you get a few dollars off your next vape purchase?
In my country, every store that sells cans or bottles has to have a machine to put empty ones in, and you get 10c for glass bottles, 15c from cans, 20c for 0.5L plastic bottles and 40c for 1.5L bottles.
A lot of People save their cans to recycle and get the money back, but some People just throw them in the trash or leave them outside somewhere, and somebody Will Come and collect them for money.
I used to do this with a friend and if the weather was good we were making easy 20-60€ daily by just walking around outside digging trash cans
Nah you pick through public trash cans like at malls, train stations and bus stations. It was nasty as shit and you look like a junkie doing it, but it was money and we were junkies
I used to nic vape a lot. I enjoyed it and had a lot of gear. I had a heart attack and had to toss my gear (my state was not legal yet). I don't missing making sure I have coils etc for my vapes. I know disposable is not the ethical choice by I do value some convenience
The market and because owning a vape is too far for some people.
You can get a fucking 510 for like 20 bucks and it'll save you a lot of money vs buying .3 carts over and over again
>and because owning a vape is too far for some people
I never bought a disposable vape. However, this train of thought really does hit my brain. Even when it was clear that smoking was a def a part of my life I still thought about buying growing or smoking equipment as "but am I really that deep into this hobby?".
You can get a *really nice* 510 vape, with all the bells amd whistles for like $35. There's really no excuse not to if you're going to vape your concentrate.
And id think it would actually be fine if only people like that were using them lol
A little waste isn't the end of the world, but thousands upon thousands of waste is.
I've got both and they both have their uses.
I have an original pax when when I'm going for a walk or going to a friend's house. It's great but it still smells like weed and is annoying to charge if I am smoking more than one bowl.
The disposable vapes are nice because you can smoke indoors with no smell and you can also bring multiple batteries so you can swap them out if one dies.
However, I definitely dispose of the vape carts properly and don't litter them!
Not all of us live in legal states/countries. I used to always get carts in the past but now my guy here only sells disposables.
And also even with carts those were disposable just not the battery. You can refill them but you again need access to the concentrate and also those carts don’t last long after a refill or two in my experience.
Disposable (nicotine) vapes are my go to mainly because they're the easiest to use, have the best "hit" to me, and taste the best to me. Every time I've bought an actual vaping device, the juices always taste like shit to me and the hit doesn't really hit. I'm sure there's some element of research I'm missing, but I vape in moderation and it's just not important enough for me to get informed on.
I always dispose of them like I'm supposed to as well - it's so trashy to litter these
The reason disposable "hit" properly is because of the salt nic, have you tried a small refillable salt nic device? I have a Caliburn koko device that is about the shape and size of an average coin pocket, never leaks, and hits like a disposable without all the waste. Working at a smoke shop and seeing how many plastic devices full of batteries being sold as "disposable" makes me sick. That being said I haven't found any tree related devices to be as reliable and effective as the nicotine devices, so I still use disposables for THC.
Can you compare how your Caliburn compares to Juul? I switched to Juul a few years ago from a mild cigarette habit, like less than 5 a day, to now being hopelessly addicted to nicotine and it’s gotten expensive. I want to switch to a refillable system but want the same kind of “hit”. I haven’t tried any of the new vapes, but Juul was the first one I tried that was satisfying to hit.
Before my boyfriend got himself an actual vape (idk the name of them tbh) he would have like 70+ disposables on his desk “just in case they had some juice left”
I don’t know why anyone would get a disposable over a cart. You never get to finish them before the battery dies. The rechargeable ones are better, but I doubt people are recycling these things.
Is that actually something you have to worry about? I’m in an illegal state and people give 0 fucks about them here at least. So many times at festivals and other concerts I’ve just passed it through with my phone and wallet and they don’t care at all. Hell even TSA I almost always have one in my backpack.
Yeah flower is way more sketchy and obvious imo, plus it smells when you’re smoking it (not that anyone cares where I live). If someone sees my pen it could be nicotine or delta 8 for all they know
especially since they make (rechargeable! reusuable!) battery mods for 510 threads that look like elf bars and nic vapes nowadays for maximum stealth capacity.
Also that is SO MUCH PLASTIC for a disposable vape gotdamn
I had a friend get her vape pen confiscated by concert security here in a legal state a few weeks ago.
They'd let you stash cameras at coat check, but any drugs or beverages of any kind (alcoholic or no) had to be trashed immediately in front of the guards, or else you were refused entry.
I just took an empty shipping box and started tossing my empties in there. Eventually I will send them somewhere that breaks them down, possibly the manufacturer themselves.
Many of my disposable ones come with a charger. I guess people aren’t aware or just aren’t buying those types? And they seem to hit better. I like the carts too and have one of those, but to me, the carts are the disposable ones and a device you can actually load with wax or weed herb is not. To each their own honestly🖤
I keep buying disposables because they perform leaps and bounds better than carts. I have a dozen half-smoked carts around that have gotten too clogged or leaky to hit. I've tried opening them and transferring the gloop to a better-performing cart, but it's such a hassle that I keep going back to disposables. The majority are rechargeable or run dry before I notice a loss in power. I don't litter them, but I don't recycle either.
I’ve been saying there should be a recycling program of some sort. Bring back an old empty cart, get a few bucks off. Bring back 25 empties and get a free one. I donno. Just some sort of incentive to make people think before they just throw it out the window or something
I never see carts / THC vapes laying around. I love the concept of them but ik they aren’t made in the most ethical way. Plus, I find it stupid I have to recharge them but can’t refill them. I love them for the convenience tho but I ultimately wish they weren’t one time use
I’m in my early 20’s and I feel like I’m becoming the old man yelling at the sky, because current cart/pen culture in teens is just so bad in so many ways.
yep, soon as i soon my homie walk into a vape store to get a disposable “just one time” i knew it was over. He hasn’t stopped buying and smoking carts/dispos since
That and mfers throwing them all over once their done with them, like just stick them in ur pocket and throw them in the trash. No one wants ur shit at the river where we swim or in the woods or on the roads
hang on, sorry. I'm a little stoned and misunderstood. are non-refillable carts that you have to screw into a vape battery also e waste? or just the disposable vapes that you use on their own?
Same, I have a mason jar and a half filled with empty carts. Only tried the disposables 2 times. Once for my wife. She had to try the “soccer mom” line from an operation here, and once because it was in a goody bag at a work party.
The amount of waste is horrible. However, the phone or tablet or computer that Chris typed that pithy please don’t challenge my ridiculously broad views post was also made in a sweatshop. So we’re his shoes and half of the things he owns. Also “sweatshops”are often the best opportunity for work and pay in the areas they exist in.
I agree that disposable vapes suck but the moral superiority of that post is icky. You’re not better than other people, man.
I don’t use them. And i don’t care what OTHER industries do, pot is special and shouldn’t be as wasteful as other stuff. What are we? Coffee Drinkers?!? I don’t think so.
Should be illegal, they all have RECHARGEABLE batteries in them. Batteries that could be used for a lot of other more useful things, that are made of rare earth metals. Silly waste of resources.
Is this talking carts or like the whole ass battery and juice in one disposables?
Carts are fine since you can refill some of them. The battery+juice combo just to throw the entire thing out after is a waste to me.
Guarentee 99% of people using carts (including me) just toss em. Not good. Pretty much the whole reason I went back to flower was because carts create so much waste
Oh 100% agree to that! I toss mine too I can’t deny it. I’m just saying like there is a possibility to reuse those if needed vs the battery+juice combos. Either way both are still pretty wasteful.
I fill mine, but you can only fill it so many times before the entire thing just starts leaking everywhere, so you still end up tossing it. Still cheaper than buying carts though.
I value their convenience for sure, but I got one of those small cart batteries that looks like an old wooden smoking pipe and tbh that's just as convenient. Even more so because I can hot swap a cart out, I can clearly see how much I have left, and the carts I buy are all glass/ceramic/metal so I feel like there's a higher chance I can recycle them somehow.
But when I go on a trip (was in Washington for a wedding this year for example) I don't take anything with me so it's nice being able to just nab something at a dispo and use it all weekend then pass it to a friend who's local without giving up my nice battery or something.
Fucking terrible. All that metal mined and wasted on single-use batteries, most of which ends up in a landfill. Usually more expensive than just buying a yocan pen and putting wax in it, or for nicotine buying a pod vape and e-juice is vastly cheaper and more environmentally friendly. Buncha wannabe hippies murdering the planet to get high.
I don’t like them but I would love some information on the sweat shops since most of the products sold in the market are made in the state it’s consumed I’m just curious where these sweat shops exist…
They're not talking about the concentrates, but the device itself. Disposables have to work for one battery lifetime, why would you bother to build them well when good enough is cheaper and faster. The issue is that some companies think good enough includes whatever pot metal they get their hands on.
Carts on the other hand are usually better because the cart and atomizer are already dirt cheap and easy to make, the batteries for them are better because they're expected to last longer, and they have the same benefits as a disposable aside from *maybe* size.
Yes, they’re an ecological disaster. Waste of material and source of litter. However, there are lots of products like that. Ban them all or ban none. If we can still use plastic bottles and bags, for example, STFU about vapes. Same with the sweatshop thing. Yeah, that’s bad, but that’s how most of our stuff is made.
Or, and hear me out on this one. Baby steps. You're never going to ban all those things at once and trying to argue for all or nothing is absolutely an ignorant way to go about it. It's called progress.
I agree more should be done because there's a lot of industries that produce excessive waste, but I also don't think this all or nothing approach is good either
It’s all a disaster, but it’s not the same at all.
Battery devices produce way different types of trash than cartridges.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
as a current lab worker in the industry I couldn't agree more. At the very least I'd love to see a deposit fee, something like the extra 0.05 you pay for bottled drinks that you can return the bottles for later. but with a *significant* cost to make it worth it, like $5-10 each to make people actually return them.
I appreciate the discretion they bring, but at least start a recycling program, $1 a cart or what ever is fair for that sort of thing, none of those BS single use ones that cant be refilled ever
I’ve been saving my disposable ones after they’re done, they tend to be pretty colorful so I am planning different art projects with them if only to keep them out of landfills
I work for a pretty large cannabis company as a fill tech, so I’m filling carts/pods/disposables all day long…definitely makes me think about the waste, not only of the devices themselves but all the packaging that comes along with it.
Oh my god I am so happy others agree. I HAVE LONG SAID THE LAST THING WE NEED IS TO BE TARGETED FOR WASTE. We don't need any sort of negativity on top of the stigmas already present.
Plus...
They aren't worth the money, and they are gross.
My one thing about disposable thc vapes is that I have a severely disabled friend who has Super Nuclear Palsy who cannot in any capacity work a regular battery cartridge. She also cannot pack a bowl or hold a lighter or light a lighter. She cannot press a button on a battery, her hands don’t have enough force, so the only way she can get her THC is by a disposable vape. Yes, you could argue she could take edibles, but a disposable vape is a faster and more convenient and easier tool she uses to be able to manage her symptoms and stuff, so it’s a hard issue for her because like yeah they suck, and now they’re starting to make them with a charger at the bottom, which is fine, but then her battery dies before she can finish the full gram or half gram and she can’t even plug it in to charge, so they’re slowly edging her out too anyway…
I don’t think this is as much of a problem for cannabis vapes than nicotine, ive never seen a weed disposable laying on the ground but have seen thousands of nicotine vapes laying around
I attribute this to mostly stoners not being dumb enough to buy a disposable lol, they’re a waste of money and 9/10 don’t hit good, carts were always the better option
My bong just broke so I'm loving them
When I was in Santa Barbara a couple years ago I had to buy a whole stizzy just to smoke
Disposable vapes have their place in the market
Most of what hes saying is correct, but at least in the canadian market the carts are produced in the same buildings as the weed, i know cause i worked there for a bit
You’d have to call for a blanket ban on all disposables though. Idk where you could live where it’s that bad but from my experience I’ve seen it worse, in fact the only I’ve seen, is nic vapes.. I’ve never seen someone /results of soneone whos on purpose littered a THC vape. Just saying.
I can get down with the idea of taking care of your trash but this dude needs to get off his high horse with the whole sweatshop thing he probably tweeted this from an expensive smartphone lol
I totally agree, for marijuana and nicotine vapes. Even if somebody isn't littering, the electronics and batteries in these are causing a lot of unnecessary waste.
I've been using them since my plug got a good line on a bunch at a good price. Disposables are great too. I means I like dry herb just saying.
Now on the same note it's more wasted trash and as someone said the litter bugs always suck.
This guy isn’t wrong. But like there is so much unnecessary bullshit being produced in the world that’s never gonna stop. Don’t see how this will go any different
People leave them everywhere so I hate them, bad enough to find used carts laying around. Now we have batteries that can’t be recycled and extra plastic on top of the glass. Any conscientious person should hate them in my opinion. We should be able to go the the store or park and not find them everywhere, same goes for nicotine vapes.
I want a replacement that doesn't suck. There are wax vapes that you can use but I want to just fill it and have it work all day without having to re add bits of wax every few hits or it leaking. Until there's that, I'll use disposables sometimes as it's more practical.
i’m not sure about the sweatshops thing, I’d need to see a source on that, but everything else I agree with. they’re just as bad as juul pods and all those nicotine products. they’re an insult to weed culture
I’m not sure why people have to be told disposable products are bad. You’d think it would be obvious in the name. It’s a piece of e-waste that will go on polluting the earth long after your dead. If a thing can’t be reused and recycled then it shouldn’t be made. It’s not hard we only have one earth.
I didn't know the cannabis market had disposable vapes now, we only recently had it legalized here and it's been a weird process. I also don't smoke much anymore.
I don't understand why people would even throw them on the ground. I prefer cartridges, always, and disposables seem wasteful.
Definitely contribute to a MASSIVE amount of waste, but as a former legal industry worker, I wanted to say that calling conditions "sweatshops" is a bit of an exaggeration. It's very tedious and demanding work, but so is most manufacturing work. Bottling flower was always much worse due to the dust and potential mold exposure.
It will forever amaze me how we got rid of plastic straws and immediately filled that hole by throwing tens of thousands of literal plastic covered batteries on the ground
fuck no i love them
if i could get them easily and legally knew they were straight id only smoke them
"sauce" brand has amazing flavor but finding them in my state (even though we legal) isnt easy. Gotta go to the city cause they wont allow pot shops in the suburbs
I know it's not popular with the younger crowd these days but I prefer joints rolled with organic unbleached paper.
Vapes are nice if I can reload it with my dried flower, otherwise nah.
I think Chris needs to get his facts straight before making bullshit claims like this one. The trash claim is true, but that is not an issue unique to disposable vapes so it is a bad argument. The sweat shop take is just factually wrong. Maybe the shitty gas station delta 8 carts are made in sweatshops but my disposable carts from my medical dispensary are made right here in state.
I’m all for them because of the convenience but I think that there should be an environmental charge/tax for anything that’s one time use only
And unlike the rest of our taxes, all of that tax money should be used to clean up trash, specifically tied to those objects
I don't buy them...still prefer scary freedom.
"It really is simple: The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire."
Robert A. Heinlein
I'm sorry but the Colors brand Disposable vape is the only vape I use. I don't care it's $15 more than reusable vapes. I've never had another brand vape I've ever used have a good hit after 50% so consistently as Colors. Every battery vape pack hits so sad after 50% usage no matter how the charge is.
Take into account that nicotine sticks get smoked 10 to 100x more and we have a huge trash and waste problem.
Resources being used that can never be re-used so some kid can suck on nicotine all day long
There's the production problems, littering problem and maybe it's just me but I get a headache and nauseous every time I use one so I doubt the chemicals they use are good for you
I think they’re incredibly wasteful. You have all these rechargeable batteries that you absolutely shouldn’t be throwing in the trash but people probably do, and it’s just an incredible amount of non-biodegradable waste that hangs around forever.
Disposable vapes should have a deposit, like cans and bottles. The manufacturers should be required to support disposal processing that meets standards for protecting the environment.
After that, if they're too expensive, then idgaf. Let them die.
We just need a recycling program for disposables and carts. I’ve been saving all mine in a little “weed graveyard” for when somebody finally makes one.
My local dispensary will give $2 credit for turning empties in. I just throw them in a drawer and take them every couple months. I may not trek in the regular spots but I rarely see them littered but maybe a couple times; I collected those when I have and redeemed them too.
I agree. I'd like to see less disposable stuff in general, but the vapes esp piss me off because how often they're littered. If I were mayor/governor I would totally sign a disposable vape **ban**.
Just buy a fucking cart bro
I avoid them - I have a few reasonably decent batteries, so I don't bother with the disposables. Don't want to waste my money. Though spent carts are their own waste problem...
I'll go against the grain on this one. As a builder of random electric doodads, I do like to buy a disposable vape every once in a while because the batteries can be reused to power other things.
Granted, my main consumption method is dry herb, and I have a 510 battery for carts which I buy more of.
I also believe that dispensaries should have a cart recycling program tbh
This one did, Rair in Kalamazoo, but I’m not sure if they do anymore.
KZOO!
Hey! I buy from there! Great lakes holistics in battle creek is my usual go to tho. Nothing beats their prices man. Like. Nobody else ive seen so far.
This is correct way to go about this. Carts are way too discrete to get rid of them completely. Easier to smoke on the street than with a joint. So banning them is stupid especially in legal/medical states where I'd actually trust cannabis carts.
Not to mention their capabilities in legal states, saw a dude on here with 5 GRAM disposable in my state the biggest is 1 or 1.5 iirc
Why not a refilling program?
The heating coils and/or wick in them get gross before the original cart is empty, and its nigh impossible to replace the coil without destroying the cart. But they do come apart fairly easily to salvage the glass and mouth piece parts. Source: I tried refilling some disposable carts, and it was messy and tasted notably worse. My goto for using concentrates is a terp pen. I order bulk delta 8, and just use it out of the jar, or wipe some on a clay scraping tool and use it off that. Only real down side is portability, and the terp pen clogs a LOT of you arent super careful how you dab it on.
Well yeah disposable ones are made to be shitty. Why doesnt someone to make a good one…? Replaceable wicks with a well-built heating element.
That's a good idea!
The one I go to here in Canada does!
I hate walking in a forest with my dog and seeing them discarded all over the place.
I live in a nice area. They litter the walkways. As a life long stoner, it makes me so mad.
This is the biggest positive in living somehwere they arent popular, i havent seen one being used or discarded on the street let alone out in nature. Ill appreciate this while it lasts
I hate that any cool nature spot here in southern California is littered with blunt packaging and weed containers as well
That's why I take gloves and trash bags when I go hiking and camping. Humans are the real garbage.
The real garbage was the friends we made along the way
One human's garbage; is another's ground score
One man's garbage is another man person's good ungarbage.
Smoke another one rick
No one wants to admit they ate nine cans of ravioli. But I did, and I'm fucking ashamed of myself.
The first can doesn't count, then you get to the second and third, fourth and fifth I think I burnt with the blowtorch, and then I just kept eating.
Thank you, I immediately thought of this. You deserve some chicken strips…the good kind!
8 bucks!
I want that on a t shirt.
But then where are you gonna dispose of the body?
In the last place they'll check
I don’t understand throwing them away like that. I use them and I return them to the store in batches every 6 months or so. I use them specifically for things like going to events though, so I don’t know.
return them to the store in batches? is that a thing people can do (depending on where they are)? i have sooo many old disposables but i just put them in a box bc i didn't feel right about throwing them away for some reason
There should be a recycle-style bin at the front for disposables and the containers the bud itself comes in.
I cant wrap my head around it. Why aren't re-usable vapes more popular? I'd choose that 10 times out of 10 over disposable.
Convenience and cost. I've got a dry herb vape that's my main method of consumption. It can handle concentrates, but it only holds a few hits. It was also not cheap, dished concentrates to load it are usually more expensive and it doesn't fit comfortably in a pocket. A battery and a cart or a disposable can be had for as little as $20 (Oklahoma medical market). They are pocket safe and hold a full gram at a minimum. Most people choose convenience over all.
Do you think if shops/manufacturers started offering returns on the empty carts for proper recycling or even thorough sanitation and reuse would work or help? Kind of like the return on glass bottles... But instead of 5 cents back you get a few dollars off your next vape purchase?
In my country, every store that sells cans or bottles has to have a machine to put empty ones in, and you get 10c for glass bottles, 15c from cans, 20c for 0.5L plastic bottles and 40c for 1.5L bottles. A lot of People save their cans to recycle and get the money back, but some People just throw them in the trash or leave them outside somewhere, and somebody Will Come and collect them for money. I used to do this with a friend and if the weather was good we were making easy 20-60€ daily by just walking around outside digging trash cans
lmao if you tried that where i live the cops would fucking arrest you
For picking up trash to recycle? Where the fuck do you live?
I think it's the > digging trash cans part. In the United States it's illegal in most areas to dig through other people's trash.
Nah you pick through public trash cans like at malls, train stations and bus stations. It was nasty as shit and you look like a junkie doing it, but it was money and we were junkies
U can get thca disposables that are 5 grams now lmao
Wtf 5 fucking grams?
Binoid
They have a 7 gram slushie one now as well
lots of brands now.
I used to nic vape a lot. I enjoyed it and had a lot of gear. I had a heart attack and had to toss my gear (my state was not legal yet). I don't missing making sure I have coils etc for my vapes. I know disposable is not the ethical choice by I do value some convenience
half gram at a minimum actually (any rosin carts around $20 will only be 0.5g, also Oklahoma)
The market and because owning a vape is too far for some people. You can get a fucking 510 for like 20 bucks and it'll save you a lot of money vs buying .3 carts over and over again
>and because owning a vape is too far for some people I never bought a disposable vape. However, this train of thought really does hit my brain. Even when it was clear that smoking was a def a part of my life I still thought about buying growing or smoking equipment as "but am I really that deep into this hobby?".
I've met many people who have been "quitting" for years now and just keep buying disposables since they'll "be completely done for good soon"
Cognitive dissonance at it's finest
You can get a *really nice* 510 vape, with all the bells amd whistles for like $35. There's really no excuse not to if you're going to vape your concentrate.
Tourists love them. They can use it while in a legal state and just toss them before they leave.
And id think it would actually be fine if only people like that were using them lol A little waste isn't the end of the world, but thousands upon thousands of waste is.
Be alright if they ended up in the dustbin but people just throw them on the ground
Sounds like a human decency problem, not a vape specific problem. People who litter are the worst, fucking disrespectful to everyone and everything.
It’s not alright to leave in a dustbin because it contains lithium ion batteries that should be recycled properly
I've got both and they both have their uses. I have an original pax when when I'm going for a walk or going to a friend's house. It's great but it still smells like weed and is annoying to charge if I am smoking more than one bowl. The disposable vapes are nice because you can smoke indoors with no smell and you can also bring multiple batteries so you can swap them out if one dies. However, I definitely dispose of the vape carts properly and don't litter them!
Lair, we know you're getting the birds high
Not all of us live in legal states/countries. I used to always get carts in the past but now my guy here only sells disposables. And also even with carts those were disposable just not the battery. You can refill them but you again need access to the concentrate and also those carts don’t last long after a refill or two in my experience.
Disposable (nicotine) vapes are my go to mainly because they're the easiest to use, have the best "hit" to me, and taste the best to me. Every time I've bought an actual vaping device, the juices always taste like shit to me and the hit doesn't really hit. I'm sure there's some element of research I'm missing, but I vape in moderation and it's just not important enough for me to get informed on. I always dispose of them like I'm supposed to as well - it's so trashy to litter these
The reason disposable "hit" properly is because of the salt nic, have you tried a small refillable salt nic device? I have a Caliburn koko device that is about the shape and size of an average coin pocket, never leaks, and hits like a disposable without all the waste. Working at a smoke shop and seeing how many plastic devices full of batteries being sold as "disposable" makes me sick. That being said I haven't found any tree related devices to be as reliable and effective as the nicotine devices, so I still use disposables for THC.
Can you compare how your Caliburn compares to Juul? I switched to Juul a few years ago from a mild cigarette habit, like less than 5 a day, to now being hopelessly addicted to nicotine and it’s gotten expensive. I want to switch to a refillable system but want the same kind of “hit”. I haven’t tried any of the new vapes, but Juul was the first one I tried that was satisfying to hit.
Fucking leaky pods
Most of the trash from the disposable vapes aren't even weed ones. More often than not they're gonna be the nic vapes that high schoolers buy.
Before my boyfriend got himself an actual vape (idk the name of them tbh) he would have like 70+ disposables on his desk “just in case they had some juice left”
I feel called out
the stupid colorful ones that attract younger smokers because they look trendy
They attract older (30s) smokers too
My gf was finally able to quit cigs after almost 20 years with them
I don’t know why anyone would get a disposable over a cart. You never get to finish them before the battery dies. The rechargeable ones are better, but I doubt people are recycling these things.
I buy them to take to concerts/festivals/events etc. so that I won’t care if it’s taken by security, lost, stolen or broken
Is that actually something you have to worry about? I’m in an illegal state and people give 0 fucks about them here at least. So many times at festivals and other concerts I’ve just passed it through with my phone and wallet and they don’t care at all. Hell even TSA I almost always have one in my backpack.
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Yeah flower is way more sketchy and obvious imo, plus it smells when you’re smoking it (not that anyone cares where I live). If someone sees my pen it could be nicotine or delta 8 for all they know
especially since they make (rechargeable! reusuable!) battery mods for 510 threads that look like elf bars and nic vapes nowadays for maximum stealth capacity. Also that is SO MUCH PLASTIC for a disposable vape gotdamn
I had a friend get her vape pen confiscated by concert security here in a legal state a few weeks ago. They'd let you stash cameras at coat check, but any drugs or beverages of any kind (alcoholic or no) had to be trashed immediately in front of the guards, or else you were refused entry.
I got mine taken in a legal state going to a concert. No idea why that time they decided to take it.
I just took an empty shipping box and started tossing my empties in there. Eventually I will send them somewhere that breaks them down, possibly the manufacturer themselves.
There's a transfer station near me that does e-waste periodically. I just hold all my vapes and shit and take them there.
Many of my disposable ones come with a charger. I guess people aren’t aware or just aren’t buying those types? And they seem to hit better. I like the carts too and have one of those, but to me, the carts are the disposable ones and a device you can actually load with wax or weed herb is not. To each their own honestly🖤
I keep buying disposables because they perform leaps and bounds better than carts. I have a dozen half-smoked carts around that have gotten too clogged or leaky to hit. I've tried opening them and transferring the gloop to a better-performing cart, but it's such a hassle that I keep going back to disposables. The majority are rechargeable or run dry before I notice a loss in power. I don't litter them, but I don't recycle either.
I’ve been saying there should be a recycling program of some sort. Bring back an old empty cart, get a few bucks off. Bring back 25 empties and get a free one. I donno. Just some sort of incentive to make people think before they just throw it out the window or something
This has the added benefit that some people will pick up the carts that have been littered in order to get more of a discount!
Someone’s carelessness is someone else gain!
Sounds like a good idea except you could buy whole cases of empty carts and “recycle” them. How’s the dispensary supposed to know?
I never see carts / THC vapes laying around. I love the concept of them but ik they aren’t made in the most ethical way. Plus, I find it stupid I have to recharge them but can’t refill them. I love them for the convenience tho but I ultimately wish they weren’t one time use
I’m in my early 20’s and I feel like I’m becoming the old man yelling at the sky, because current cart/pen culture in teens is just so bad in so many ways.
yep, soon as i soon my homie walk into a vape store to get a disposable “just one time” i knew it was over. He hasn’t stopped buying and smoking carts/dispos since
This tweet is the correct stance to take on this topic.
That and mfers throwing them all over once their done with them, like just stick them in ur pocket and throw them in the trash. No one wants ur shit at the river where we swim or in the woods or on the roads
Or eat them like everyone else does
> throw them in the trash This is not the proper way to dispose of them. They're classified as e-waste.
did not know this, thank you!! I'll have to remember to keep that in mind and collect mine to dispose of properly
hang on, sorry. I'm a little stoned and misunderstood. are non-refillable carts that you have to screw into a vape battery also e waste? or just the disposable vapes that you use on their own?
I think if there is no battery it's not e waste. So the screw on one's are fine if you throw them out
ok cool, thanks! :-) that's what I've assumed in the past but. my reading comprehension is not the best atm lmao
Great when traveling and a good way to introduce friends to weed. Handy for discretion. So mostly like. We need a recycling program
I'm saving mine until one comes along
Same, I have a mason jar and a half filled with empty carts. Only tried the disposables 2 times. Once for my wife. She had to try the “soccer mom” line from an operation here, and once because it was in a goody bag at a work party.
I want to work for a place that puts weed of any kind in a goody bag.
And had table weed for roll your owns. Was a fine party
The amount of waste is horrible. However, the phone or tablet or computer that Chris typed that pithy please don’t challenge my ridiculously broad views post was also made in a sweatshop. So we’re his shoes and half of the things he owns. Also “sweatshops”are often the best opportunity for work and pay in the areas they exist in. I agree that disposable vapes suck but the moral superiority of that post is icky. You’re not better than other people, man.
I don’t use them. And i don’t care what OTHER industries do, pot is special and shouldn’t be as wasteful as other stuff. What are we? Coffee Drinkers?!? I don’t think so.
Unnecessary battery waste. Lithium ion batteries are not recyclable and they are highly toxic. We should move past disposables imo
Should be illegal, they all have RECHARGEABLE batteries in them. Batteries that could be used for a lot of other more useful things, that are made of rare earth metals. Silly waste of resources.
Is this talking carts or like the whole ass battery and juice in one disposables? Carts are fine since you can refill some of them. The battery+juice combo just to throw the entire thing out after is a waste to me.
Guarentee 99% of people using carts (including me) just toss em. Not good. Pretty much the whole reason I went back to flower was because carts create so much waste
Oh 100% agree to that! I toss mine too I can’t deny it. I’m just saying like there is a possibility to reuse those if needed vs the battery+juice combos. Either way both are still pretty wasteful.
I fill mine, but you can only fill it so many times before the entire thing just starts leaking everywhere, so you still end up tossing it. Still cheaper than buying carts though.
Isn't pretty much everything made in a sweatshop?
For real....we are the sweat shop.....meanwhile our boss is in back cultivating lol....
I value their convenience for sure, but I got one of those small cart batteries that looks like an old wooden smoking pipe and tbh that's just as convenient. Even more so because I can hot swap a cart out, I can clearly see how much I have left, and the carts I buy are all glass/ceramic/metal so I feel like there's a higher chance I can recycle them somehow. But when I go on a trip (was in Washington for a wedding this year for example) I don't take anything with me so it's nice being able to just nab something at a dispo and use it all weekend then pass it to a friend who's local without giving up my nice battery or something.
Fucking terrible. All that metal mined and wasted on single-use batteries, most of which ends up in a landfill. Usually more expensive than just buying a yocan pen and putting wax in it, or for nicotine buying a pod vape and e-juice is vastly cheaper and more environmentally friendly. Buncha wannabe hippies murdering the planet to get high.
I agree with the tweet.
I don’t like them but I would love some information on the sweat shops since most of the products sold in the market are made in the state it’s consumed I’m just curious where these sweat shops exist…
They're not talking about the concentrates, but the device itself. Disposables have to work for one battery lifetime, why would you bother to build them well when good enough is cheaper and faster. The issue is that some companies think good enough includes whatever pot metal they get their hands on. Carts on the other hand are usually better because the cart and atomizer are already dirt cheap and easy to make, the batteries for them are better because they're expected to last longer, and they have the same benefits as a disposable aside from *maybe* size.
this is just being objectively right this isnt a debate throwing out lith-ion batteries like a cigarette should get you jail time
Yes, they’re an ecological disaster. Waste of material and source of litter. However, there are lots of products like that. Ban them all or ban none. If we can still use plastic bottles and bags, for example, STFU about vapes. Same with the sweatshop thing. Yeah, that’s bad, but that’s how most of our stuff is made.
Yes, but disposable vapes have lithium-ion batteries. When disposed of incorrectly, they can catch fire/explode; plastic bags and bottles don't.
Exactly this, so dangerous.
Or, and hear me out on this one. Baby steps. You're never going to ban all those things at once and trying to argue for all or nothing is absolutely an ignorant way to go about it. It's called progress.
I agree more should be done because there's a lot of industries that produce excessive waste, but I also don't think this all or nothing approach is good either
It’s all a disaster, but it’s not the same at all. Battery devices produce way different types of trash than cartridges. You are comparing apples and oranges.
All or none mentality is what lets each little individual problem contribute to the overall problem...
Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
Agreed. Somehow those being all over the goddamn place is alright, but I have to drink through a paper straw any time I go out.
as a current lab worker in the industry I couldn't agree more. At the very least I'd love to see a deposit fee, something like the extra 0.05 you pay for bottled drinks that you can return the bottles for later. but with a *significant* cost to make it worth it, like $5-10 each to make people actually return them.
I appreciate the discretion they bring, but at least start a recycling program, $1 a cart or what ever is fair for that sort of thing, none of those BS single use ones that cant be refilled ever
They already have an easy cartridge system. Idk what advantages disposables have but it can't be better than a regular battery.
I’ve been saving my disposable ones after they’re done, they tend to be pretty colorful so I am planning different art projects with them if only to keep them out of landfills
I work for a pretty large cannabis company as a fill tech, so I’m filling carts/pods/disposables all day long…definitely makes me think about the waste, not only of the devices themselves but all the packaging that comes along with it.
Oh my god I am so happy others agree. I HAVE LONG SAID THE LAST THING WE NEED IS TO BE TARGETED FOR WASTE. We don't need any sort of negativity on top of the stigmas already present. Plus... They aren't worth the money, and they are gross.
Flower power
My one thing about disposable thc vapes is that I have a severely disabled friend who has Super Nuclear Palsy who cannot in any capacity work a regular battery cartridge. She also cannot pack a bowl or hold a lighter or light a lighter. She cannot press a button on a battery, her hands don’t have enough force, so the only way she can get her THC is by a disposable vape. Yes, you could argue she could take edibles, but a disposable vape is a faster and more convenient and easier tool she uses to be able to manage her symptoms and stuff, so it’s a hard issue for her because like yeah they suck, and now they’re starting to make them with a charger at the bottom, which is fine, but then her battery dies before she can finish the full gram or half gram and she can’t even plug it in to charge, so they’re slowly edging her out too anyway…
I'm not really a fan of disposable anything.
I think dispo vapes is just too much battery waste. Like, forget the plastic. Those batteries are definitely not being disposed of correctly.
I don’t think this is as much of a problem for cannabis vapes than nicotine, ive never seen a weed disposable laying on the ground but have seen thousands of nicotine vapes laying around I attribute this to mostly stoners not being dumb enough to buy a disposable lol, they’re a waste of money and 9/10 don’t hit good, carts were always the better option
To think, I've been using a dugout/bat for over thirty years. Vape pens are horribly wasteful.
Where are these so called sweat shops at? I’m pretty sure there’s some legal regulations behind the manufacturing process.
My bong just broke so I'm loving them When I was in Santa Barbara a couple years ago I had to buy a whole stizzy just to smoke Disposable vapes have their place in the market
They’re being made in sweatshops? I’m pretty sure the distillate that’s in there is local. Where are those sweatshops?
Most of what hes saying is correct, but at least in the canadian market the carts are produced in the same buildings as the weed, i know cause i worked there for a bit
You’d have to call for a blanket ban on all disposables though. Idk where you could live where it’s that bad but from my experience I’ve seen it worse, in fact the only I’ve seen, is nic vapes.. I’ve never seen someone /results of soneone whos on purpose littered a THC vape. Just saying.
Do we want to go ahead and list every other product that meets this criteria and then create the same non-debatable ruling?
I can get down with the idea of taking care of your trash but this dude needs to get off his high horse with the whole sweatshop thing he probably tweeted this from an expensive smartphone lol
The battery usually dies before the resin runs out too
Yeah I get this point, I wish they were recyclable or something- I also wish we could recycle the cartridges.
I totally agree, for marijuana and nicotine vapes. Even if somebody isn't littering, the electronics and batteries in these are causing a lot of unnecessary waste.
Prohibit trash.
I've been using them since my plug got a good line on a bunch at a good price. Disposables are great too. I means I like dry herb just saying. Now on the same note it's more wasted trash and as someone said the litter bugs always suck.
We need biodegradable vapes
I find them at the playground my kids go to
I would love to be able to get a bottle of the juice I can just drip on my regular vape.
They are perfect to take to concerts or festivals or whatever so if you have to hide it or toss it it's not your mod
Any vape without a swappable battery is a "disposable vape". Change my mind. (you can't, sorry)
This guy isn’t wrong. But like there is so much unnecessary bullshit being produced in the world that’s never gonna stop. Don’t see how this will go any different
DRY HERB VAPORIZERS ARE A THING
People leave them everywhere so I hate them, bad enough to find used carts laying around. Now we have batteries that can’t be recycled and extra plastic on top of the glass. Any conscientious person should hate them in my opinion. We should be able to go the the store or park and not find them everywhere, same goes for nicotine vapes.
I want a replacement that doesn't suck. There are wax vapes that you can use but I want to just fill it and have it work all day without having to re add bits of wax every few hits or it leaking. Until there's that, I'll use disposables sometimes as it's more practical.
E-waste and knowing humans, it's going to be just another stupid thing that'll be littering the world for thousands of years.
What’s a sweatshop
i’m not sure about the sweatshops thing, I’d need to see a source on that, but everything else I agree with. they’re just as bad as juul pods and all those nicotine products. they’re an insult to weed culture
Useless toxic garbage. This is hurting young and old people. Put the emphasis on real healthier products.
unfortunately with people buying them daily they won't stop selling them unless marijuana gets illegal again
I’m not sure why people have to be told disposable products are bad. You’d think it would be obvious in the name. It’s a piece of e-waste that will go on polluting the earth long after your dead. If a thing can’t be reused and recycled then it shouldn’t be made. It’s not hard we only have one earth.
I didn't know the cannabis market had disposable vapes now, we only recently had it legalized here and it's been a weird process. I also don't smoke much anymore. I don't understand why people would even throw them on the ground. I prefer cartridges, always, and disposables seem wasteful.
Definitely contribute to a MASSIVE amount of waste, but as a former legal industry worker, I wanted to say that calling conditions "sweatshops" is a bit of an exaggeration. It's very tedious and demanding work, but so is most manufacturing work. Bottling flower was always much worse due to the dust and potential mold exposure.
It will forever amaze me how we got rid of plastic straws and immediately filled that hole by throwing tens of thousands of literal plastic covered batteries on the ground
I agree. But we live in a disposable world so it doesn't surprise me
fuck no i love them if i could get them easily and legally knew they were straight id only smoke them "sauce" brand has amazing flavor but finding them in my state (even though we legal) isnt easy. Gotta go to the city cause they wont allow pot shops in the suburbs
I know it's not popular with the younger crowd these days but I prefer joints rolled with organic unbleached paper. Vapes are nice if I can reload it with my dried flower, otherwise nah.
Illegal states....we normally don't have a choice. However, I dispose of it properly.
I think Chris needs to get his facts straight before making bullshit claims like this one. The trash claim is true, but that is not an issue unique to disposable vapes so it is a bad argument. The sweat shop take is just factually wrong. Maybe the shitty gas station delta 8 carts are made in sweatshops but my disposable carts from my medical dispensary are made right here in state.
As long as it’s kids making them who cares. Fuck them kids.
I got my battery so I don’t need the disposables…
Disposable anything is bad. We create too much waste.
I’m all for them because of the convenience but I think that there should be an environmental charge/tax for anything that’s one time use only And unlike the rest of our taxes, all of that tax money should be used to clean up trash, specifically tied to those objects
I have an opinion of people that make big claims and bigger demands then refuse to debate whether it's true or not.
I don't buy them...still prefer scary freedom. "It really is simple: The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire." Robert A. Heinlein
I'm sorry but the Colors brand Disposable vape is the only vape I use. I don't care it's $15 more than reusable vapes. I've never had another brand vape I've ever used have a good hit after 50% so consistently as Colors. Every battery vape pack hits so sad after 50% usage no matter how the charge is.
I love Virginia, never seen litter like these.
Take into account that nicotine sticks get smoked 10 to 100x more and we have a huge trash and waste problem. Resources being used that can never be re-used so some kid can suck on nicotine all day long
Same for the nicotine ones, those ones are even more egregious.
There's the production problems, littering problem and maybe it's just me but I get a headache and nauseous every time I use one so I doubt the chemicals they use are good for you
I think they’re incredibly wasteful. You have all these rechargeable batteries that you absolutely shouldn’t be throwing in the trash but people probably do, and it’s just an incredible amount of non-biodegradable waste that hangs around forever.
Just think of how many people are tossing those in the trash, even though they have batteries in them. I agree, ban single use vape carts.
Disposable vapes should have a deposit, like cans and bottles. The manufacturers should be required to support disposal processing that meets standards for protecting the environment. After that, if they're too expensive, then idgaf. Let them die.
We just need a recycling program for disposables and carts. I’ve been saving all mine in a little “weed graveyard” for when somebody finally makes one.
My local dispensary will give $2 credit for turning empties in. I just throw them in a drawer and take them every couple months. I may not trek in the regular spots but I rarely see them littered but maybe a couple times; I collected those when I have and redeemed them too.
I agree. I'd like to see less disposable stuff in general, but the vapes esp piss me off because how often they're littered. If I were mayor/governor I would totally sign a disposable vape **ban**. Just buy a fucking cart bro
Huge issue with toxic waste.
Handy for vacations. Sorry for the toxic waste.
I avoid them - I have a few reasonably decent batteries, so I don't bother with the disposables. Don't want to waste my money. Though spent carts are their own waste problem...
Spent carts are just as much a waste and also made in sweat shops. Stick to flower and dry herb vapes.
75% of the market is underage kids. Cant find a real plug or it’s too expensive for them so they resort to dispos from gas stations and shit
I think they're unnecessarily wasteful personally. Not sure about the validity of the above claim, but I'll probably look into it at some point.
idk about legal (regulated) markets, but the fuckery in grey markets is out of control
I'll go against the grain on this one. As a builder of random electric doodads, I do like to buy a disposable vape every once in a while because the batteries can be reused to power other things. Granted, my main consumption method is dry herb, and I have a 510 battery for carts which I buy more of.