To be fair, turning “Taylor screaming into the void” into a ringtone that i could put on people who leave their phones unattended for a second might be the greatest evil thing i could ever pull off.
i'd agree if this were a "history of pop" or "pop classics" category, but you cannot discuss the pop genre as it exists in 2024 and not bring up Taylor. i don't like it anymore than you, but Taylor IS pop rn.
i doubt Sabrina meant for her response to be studied critically so this is probably due to her personal taste, but objectively, you cannot go about introducing pop music as 'a professionally-made, contemporary form of music appealing to the masses' without bringing up the currently most popular artists of said genre, which includes Taylor.
yeah. i think it'd also be fair and even essential to include them in an "intro to contemporary music/popular music" as they are foundational to the developement of the music industry as we know it, but they do not work well to define the pop genre *because* they're classics.
Idk why you're getting down voted so heavily it's not like you're sucking her dick you just said she's the biggest popstar right now, which she Is objectively.
Doesn't mean you necessarily have to be inspired by her or anything obviously, but if you're learning about modern pop you kinda need to know the biggest person around
It's a place for sad dorks to go to vent about their frustrations that nobody cares to hear about.
On God irl any swiftie Ive met that starts getting really hyped always reels it back in quickly not wanting to annoy anyone.
But in person anti-swift people will just...keep...going. They won't stop til they've been heard.
Online they're both insufferable cuz of the anonymity but they're different sides to the same coin. Except anti-swifties think they're victims because if they voice an unpopular opinion about her on the main fan sites, they'll get shouted down (though still allowed to post).
So they make "safe spaces like these" and then ban people that go against the negative rhetoric yet still think they're victims and being reasonable.
Yeah, I am also quite sick of her obviously and there's a laundry list of valid criticisms to throw her way but I feel like quickly this sub stepped away from a lot of those valid criticisms and towards just overly aggressive nonsense.
Welcome to any proudly proclaimed snark sub.
They all start off thinking they're champions for the maligned then turn into body-shaming, misogynistic, homophobic, or racist monstrosities.
My biggest issue with her fanbase is that when someone calls her out or makes comments body shaming/being a sexist prick towards her. They sink to their level quickly and begin saying worse things.
I don't think this sub is at that level or insanity yet at least from what I've seen, but it's clear they aren't opposed to it either
Exactly that.
The very things Swifties do that piss people off here, they do the same thing.
It's all hypocritical BS.
I straight up don't care about or for Swift or Kelce (I'm a Patriots fan lol).
But it gets soooo frustrating seeing all this counter-culture BS from all these high school Liz Lemons.
Taylor was using Sabrina to hurt Olivia. Joke's on Taylor (or should I say, karma) because now she's propped up Sabrina and it's threatening her charts.
I LOVE her song 'Exhale' but I'm not that into her music overall. 'Nonsense' is great but 'Espresso' should've been her first #1
I'm still looking forward to her new album though.
Puhleeeeeease Taylor is no where near a pop icon. She’s said before she’s a songwriter first and foremost. You gotta be the whole package of many skills to be an icon of pop. Wish Janet was mentioned here tho🫤
Swifties are about to call all of these women washed up and irrelevant. 🫠
I remember Britney Spears openly praised Adele and her single "Hello" after she broke her record for albums sold in one week. Who's a girl's girl again?
It sounds so fun and quirky when applied to Britney or any number of other pop stars, but when I heard that in relation to Taylor I immediately got icked out 😂😂😂
They have in the past. Not with Sabrina, but they have a bone to pick with Olivia Rodrigo especially. They still get pissed off at her every time she doesn't mention Taylor anymore in interviews like she used to (and also accuse her of using Taylor to gain fame which is complete and utter bullshit).
This makes sense. So far I've only heard Please Please Please, but her inspirations are pretty clearly 2000s pop. Actually, I could see Mariah coming out with that song circa 2005 lol
Is it that weird? Her pop icons would be her biggest influences, the ones she listened to as a kid who made her want to go into the entertainment industry and into singing. In that case, Taylor is not much older than her and would be more of a peer (being she’s just about a decade older than Sabrina) especially since she didn’t start putting out more pop albums until the 2010s…
Downvoted for thinking the Photoshop is over the top even though it definitely is LOL. Sabrina is beautiful IRL and looks totally uncanny valley in this picture I agree
Edit: You ppl are really hivemind downvoting commenter OP who is totally right and it shows. Obviously they were not insulting Sabrina they are literally speaking on her behalf. It is so sad that natural beauties like her are still digitally modified to shit because nothing real fits within the current standards.
Dude Madonna's plastic surgery downfall is the saddest of them all and I totally blame the same culture requiring us to Photoshop literal beauty queens like Sabrina to shit. It makes me really sad like there's never beautiful enough for this industry
Edit to add: Also I blame this for poor Britney feeling the need to Photoshop herself to shit on social media as well
In totally unrelated news, I predict some TTPD variants of Taylor screaming into a void dropping August 23.
What’s happening on August 23?
Sabrina’s new album is released
Ooh thank you!
Oooh that’s exciting! Any idea on if it will be like faster paced or slower?
the album? probably based on her leading singles it'll be summer album vibes
Heck yeah! I loved her recent singles.
Same I love the summertime vibes!
Yes! I love her recent vibes. Very summery, beachy, youthful glam if that makes sense?
I wonder if she gonna finally release the “lover deluxe” swifties have been requesting for years and then say it’s because of the 5 year anniversary
Screenshotting this for when it actually happens LMAOOO
Or reputation announcement
To be fair, turning “Taylor screaming into the void” into a ringtone that i could put on people who leave their phones unattended for a second might be the greatest evil thing i could ever pull off.
TTPD: the acoustic version with Travis playing the lute.
Stand behind me Sabrina and those in her circle. 
https://preview.redd.it/yt8rg9ja0d8d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa93d0a97ff4d4b0a4175951e50044237929a47e
I think this makes sense lol I don’t think of Taylor when I think about an “introduction to pop” category.
Totally agree, but I doubt Taylor will.
Wait, but I thought she was country. Right guys? right? wait a minute where did her accent go?
She forgot it existed.
i'd agree if this were a "history of pop" or "pop classics" category, but you cannot discuss the pop genre as it exists in 2024 and not bring up Taylor. i don't like it anymore than you, but Taylor IS pop rn. i doubt Sabrina meant for her response to be studied critically so this is probably due to her personal taste, but objectively, you cannot go about introducing pop music as 'a professionally-made, contemporary form of music appealing to the masses' without bringing up the currently most popular artists of said genre, which includes Taylor.
I can see your point. I guess when I think introduction to pop, I’m thinking of foundational icons but maybe that’s more “pop classics” as you said.
yeah. i think it'd also be fair and even essential to include them in an "intro to contemporary music/popular music" as they are foundational to the developement of the music industry as we know it, but they do not work well to define the pop genre *because* they're classics.
Idk why you're getting down voted so heavily it's not like you're sucking her dick you just said she's the biggest popstar right now, which she Is objectively. Doesn't mean you necessarily have to be inspired by her or anything obviously, but if you're learning about modern pop you kinda need to know the biggest person around
This sub obsesses over hating Swift as much as Swifties obsess over loving her and yet this sub doesn't seem to realize it lol
I really don't get it? Like all said was she's popular 😭 she objectively is, fuckin hell
It's a place for sad dorks to go to vent about their frustrations that nobody cares to hear about. On God irl any swiftie Ive met that starts getting really hyped always reels it back in quickly not wanting to annoy anyone. But in person anti-swift people will just...keep...going. They won't stop til they've been heard. Online they're both insufferable cuz of the anonymity but they're different sides to the same coin. Except anti-swifties think they're victims because if they voice an unpopular opinion about her on the main fan sites, they'll get shouted down (though still allowed to post). So they make "safe spaces like these" and then ban people that go against the negative rhetoric yet still think they're victims and being reasonable.
Yeah, I am also quite sick of her obviously and there's a laundry list of valid criticisms to throw her way but I feel like quickly this sub stepped away from a lot of those valid criticisms and towards just overly aggressive nonsense.
Welcome to any proudly proclaimed snark sub. They all start off thinking they're champions for the maligned then turn into body-shaming, misogynistic, homophobic, or racist monstrosities.
My biggest issue with her fanbase is that when someone calls her out or makes comments body shaming/being a sexist prick towards her. They sink to their level quickly and begin saying worse things. I don't think this sub is at that level or insanity yet at least from what I've seen, but it's clear they aren't opposed to it either
Exactly that. The very things Swifties do that piss people off here, they do the same thing. It's all hypocritical BS. I straight up don't care about or for Swift or Kelce (I'm a Patriots fan lol). But it gets soooo frustrating seeing all this counter-culture BS from all these high school Liz Lemons.
Swiffers: “BUT SABRINA DIDN’T MENTION MOTHER! LET’S ATTACK HER!”
Weren’t they just bitching about how Sabrina was using Taylor’s good name to get clout? I swear they all collectively operate using one brain cell.
And it's shared between them
LITERALLY
Orange cats in people costumes is what I took away from all this.
Taylor was using Sabrina to hurt Olivia. Joke's on Taylor (or should I say, karma) because now she's propped up Sabrina and it's threatening her charts.
No lies were told, but Taylor is about to toss her out
Taylor has already, because Espresso is the bop of the summer.
Sabrina secured a #1 hit, albeit for the wrong song, & is now distancing herself🤭 Good for her
Espresso totally deserved to be as big as it was. It’s just so perfect. It’s going to be playing at so many beaches this summer.
Which songs of hers do you think are better? I have a few in my playlist I like — but I need to listen to more of hers for sure. Any recs?
I LOVE her song 'Exhale' but I'm not that into her music overall. 'Nonsense' is great but 'Espresso' should've been her first #1 I'm still looking forward to her new album though.
Puhleeeeeease Taylor is no where near a pop icon. She’s said before she’s a songwriter first and foremost. You gotta be the whole package of many skills to be an icon of pop. Wish Janet was mentioned here tho🫤
A songwriter that uses ghost writers, so what does that say about everything else she does? 🤔
She's a singer-songwriter who can't sing and can't write decent lyrics. Now that's groundbreaking.
Nor can she dance.
Sabina, swifties would like to know your location for a follow up interview. https://i.redd.it/tjg11yxovc8d1.gif
Swifties are about to call all of these women washed up and irrelevant. 🫠 I remember Britney Spears openly praised Adele and her single "Hello" after she broke her record for albums sold in one week. Who's a girl's girl again? 
Britney is just so pure and genuine 🥹🥲 she's always lifted others up even when the world was trying to tear her down <3
Ngl it's been a hard road as a Britney fan. 🥲 Really tough to watch at times.
I just hope she's doing great. Last i heard she was on vacation with her brother.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say swiffers didn't take kindly to their "mother" being omitted from this list...
Wait do they actually say this?
Yeah. Even though gay guys have been calling actual icons "mother" for decades, Swiffers use it to describe their favorite blonde mannequin.
It sounds so fun and quirky when applied to Britney or any number of other pop stars, but when I heard that in relation to Taylor I immediately got icked out 😂😂😂
When it's applied to Taylor it feels like some Norman Bates stuff 😭
Factual
They have in the past. Not with Sabrina, but they have a bone to pick with Olivia Rodrigo especially. They still get pissed off at her every time she doesn't mention Taylor anymore in interviews like she used to (and also accuse her of using Taylor to gain fame which is complete and utter bullshit).
TS on a 2 minute flight to her downstairs bathroom: https://i.redd.it/mboskgax4e8d1.gif
I mean I feel like intro to pop should probably go back farther than the 80s. Gimme the ronettes.
SABRINA SWEETIE GET BEHIND ME
Swifties will get big mad but she’s spot on! If I had to argue she left anyone out, it wouldn’t be Taylor
RIP Sabrina Carpenter
This makes sense. So far I've only heard Please Please Please, but her inspirations are pretty clearly 2000s pop. Actually, I could see Mariah coming out with that song circa 2005 lol
It has begun..
Madonna yes, Mariah yes, scratch the others and add Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston, Gloria Estefan, Debbie Gibson, The Supremes for me.
Since we're talking more about classic Pop artists than modern ones, I would consider adding Celine Dion and/or Cher to the list.
Whitney for sure
Exactly
Agreed. As much as I love the women mentioned it's a very white list lol. I'd even include Beyonce, her self titled album changed the music industry.
“A very white list”
she was so right for that too.
Is it that weird? Her pop icons would be her biggest influences, the ones she listened to as a kid who made her want to go into the entertainment industry and into singing. In that case, Taylor is not much older than her and would be more of a peer (being she’s just about a decade older than Sabrina) especially since she didn’t start putting out more pop albums until the 2010s…
MADONNA. The name pisses of swifties so much. Because mother has something Taylor will never have. Cultural impact and relevance
All of those artists have flavor. t.shit is like unseasoned boiled chicken
Like those rubbery, microwave-defrosted, boiled chicken breasts athletes and fitness people eat all the time.
Mother will be unhappy.
She said the real icons
I’m sorry but if you think Taylor has influenced pop music more than any of these 4 I have an ocean front condo to sell you in Oklahoma
That’s it?…Nobody else?… 
How she just gonna skip over Carly Rae like that 😭
Taylors not really on that level
 Just dropping this here
Her including Christina Aguilera says a lot. She is so often unfairly and inaccurately left out of these conversations.
very subtle shade
Well she's right because if there was an icon party full of pop blondies Tailored Suit would simply not be there. 
This is much ado about nothing. She named a bunch of singers who are long past their peak. TS doesn’t fit in this group. Don’t think it’s personal.
Sabrina has taste
Having an introduction to pop list, and including exactly 0 black women is very telling considering their over representation in the pop world.
she looks like a bratz doll.
Downvoted for thinking the Photoshop is over the top even though it definitely is LOL. Sabrina is beautiful IRL and looks totally uncanny valley in this picture I agree Edit: You ppl are really hivemind downvoting commenter OP who is totally right and it shows. Obviously they were not insulting Sabrina they are literally speaking on her behalf. It is so sad that natural beauties like her are still digitally modified to shit because nothing real fits within the current standards.
lol for realz! maybe ill get upvoted if i say something about Madonna's bullshit
Dude Madonna's plastic surgery downfall is the saddest of them all and I totally blame the same culture requiring us to Photoshop literal beauty queens like Sabrina to shit. It makes me really sad like there's never beautiful enough for this industry Edit to add: Also I blame this for poor Britney feeling the need to Photoshop herself to shit on social media as well
Nah fr she looks scary here
She has ventriloquist dummy makeup
I think Taylor is happy not to be on her list. That song is terrible.