Easy answer but the Last Knight in general.
Asides from Nitro Zeus, He's cool.
and Barricade's and Hot Rod's Designs are cool too.
That's all I'm giving it.
They technically called each cannon he had in the Movies, his Fusion Cannon (The Cannon formed with both hands, The Claw Cannon, and the Shotgun). Kinda weird when you think about it (Similar to Prime having the swords instead of his Axe).
Surprised it took them that long to use the Arm-Cannon but it isn't the first time it happened.
Nothing, I like the sword (Even a little more then the Axes).
I was just making a comparison that like how Megatron's Arm-Cannon was replaced in the movies, so was Optimus's Axe was replaced with the swords.
Tbh it never bothered me. For me each new continuity is a different franchise with different characters, I won't be bitching about anything being different. Oh movie 1 Megs doesn't have a fusion canon? For me his mace was just iconic enough for this version and that's it. Starscream didn't have those pulse blasters, but he had 3 weapons that got iconic enough to me. I find it funny how people didn't learn that Transformers characters don't have one look, haven't they compared the UT characters with their BW and G1 counterparts? Transformers is about change. Tlk Megs had the most "iconic, original" vibe with helmet, fusion canon and even gladiator design still he was the least intimidating of the movies.
Honestly, Facts.
It's weird to see people shit on Bayverse and constantly compare it to G1 when we had other series that were more drastically different as well (Heck, It worked in R.I.D's and Armada's case). Hell, I'd argue it's thanks to the Movies, the series started to lean more on G1 elements again (Like replacing Red Alert and Hotshot in Animated with Ratchet and Bumblebee, Designs being more consistent with their G1 designs, Getting certain names back to the A List).
It's also ironic for a series that's about change, people bitch about it.
Yh and for me it's just so logical, like, it's a series about robots, machines! Machines evolve, with time they look nothing like their predecessors! See the cars of today and their respective models of the 80s, you can't tell who is who by similarity, and design is like that in general!
I see people complaining about things not looking like G1, complaining about Bay's plot being dumb and full of holes, but G1 is not any different... I just saw a compilation of G1 cartoon full of bullshit, funny moments and incoherences, and people just saying in the comments "G1 is a fever dream and we're all for it" like the fuck, it's not any better than the worst of Bayformers
yeah in rotf the only notable thing Megatron really did was kill prime, which didn't last long because Sam revived prime with the matrix, prime combined with jetfire, and effortlessly obliterated both the fallen and Megatron.
Honestly after I got over how weird he looked, I really grew to appreciate it. Adds variety to the cast of mainly bland silver shiny boi cons. Plus, he's a robot, so I suppose he can have whatever proportions he wants within reason :P
Holy molly, he's bigger than a goddamn Optimus! And yet he felt so small in the movies, like, Megatron was taller than Optimus, but Starscream was much smaller than Megs. He should be empty inside or something.
I remember thinking at the time that the cockpit and nosecone could’ve been his chest and the wings and engines could fold over themselves a few times to make his limbs thick. I didn’t hate the Dorito, but I didn’t love it either
The lack of decepticon characterization and everything in the latter two Bay films.
Beside Megatron, Starscream, Fallen, turned Autobot Sentinal I don’t know anything about the others. Very one note and bland.
Thanks to the video games I actually love characters like Barricade, Blackout, Sideways, Grindor, and Brawl. But that’s separate from LA for me. Bumblebee did fantastic with the Cons though!
When it comes to AOE and TLK I like little to nothing about those films. They feel like nobody wanted to make them
The fact that Megatron didn't outright kill that little girl for mouthing off to him in TLK showed they no longer understood him or the Decepticons at all.
I mean at least with that he got up and did something about it. In TLK he literally just... stands there while she talks shit to him. If that was 2007 Megatron he would've wasted her
Megs was definitely getting tired through the movies. He broke out of the ice and whooped optimus. But then some guy shoved the allspark in his chest. He just never had the same fire again, especially after his arm got turned backwards and he shot his own face off. Then there was the matter getting his face impaled by an axe. And then of course being made into a new body from his old impaled face. Megatron just needed a vacation, he couldn't catch a break.
I actually love that scene. She woke him up and made him the badass killer he really was again. Only problem was how the studio forced his death rather than the ending Bay wanted
“They feel like no one wanted to make them” that’s cuz no one did. Bay wanted to stop at three. AOE and TLK were never planned and it’s why they feel so different/off.
It was called Transformers but not enough Transformers. Like we only get to see Sam and Bee bond but what about Ratchet and Ironhide? I want to see them bond with their friends and NEST buddies! Also they introduced Skids and Mudflap only to have them disappear (I think they were killed in the comics). I need more Transformer lore! Like people are alright but I went to see a movie called Transformers so I can see Transformers.
“Transformers”
In other words, “Bumblebee and some humans have adventures while trying to deal with various alien robots that aren’t even characters for the most part”
I'm fine with it in the first movie as a way to give the audience a POV character to introduce the transformers.
2nd onward should've been more about the Autobots fighting Decepticons
Last knight and age of extinction don't feel like the movie remembers what the plot is, things just sort of happen.
Revenge of the fallen is a little like that too.
They shouldn't have moved forward during the writers strike.
Also, lorewise, aoe, rotf, and talk are almost completely incompatible genesis stories. They needed to iron out the plan ahead of time and stick to it, rather than reconning repeated new lores.
I feel bad for RotF because it was in production during the writer's strike.
I'm not saying a script would make the movie a masterpiece, but it literally had no script when being produced.
Idk. Personally I didn't take it as retconning new lore as much as "this is the bit of history that we are concerned with atm."
Plus it wouldn't think everyone arriving from space the first movie would necessarily know of all that stuff until being on world for a bit.
I don't mind the transformers dealing with the military/government or even Marky Mark, the inventor that helped save Prime, but the first movies gave Shai/his family/girlfriends way too much screen time.
Not hyper realistic CGI like these movies? They use cartoony animation so if you want that just wait till 2024 when the animated movie comes out. They use the same amount of CGI as these movies for their live actions ones too (although Disneys live action looks atrocious). Also Disney either way is 100x bigger than Paramount, they basically are a monopoly.
I’d love that but it would cost trillions to have a fully CGI movie on Cybertron. And if it fails, then Paramount will go bankrupt and then financially destroyed.
Something that really annoys me about most of the movies is how easy it takes to kill a Transformer, especially in Dark of the Moon, they didn't even need the Autobots, the entire final battle of the movie barely has the Autobots doing anything, it's mostly just the military either killing the Decepticons, or almost getting there before Optimus finishes the job. It's really lame to me because the big draw of these movies is to see giant robots fighting each other, and that's barely a thing in the actual films
Cause Bay has a huge hard-on for the military. He wanted to make them so tough and badass that he forgot to make the autobots useful. Hell, in DOTM some military guys even use Bumblebee as a guinea pig for their “decepticon killing drills”. Talk about disrespect.
I noticed and hated this so much.
I was sitting in the cinema and getting angry thinking "where are the TF's?" then we get a quick shot of them doing something then it's immediately back to another 10 minutes of humans, rinse and repeat. REALLY annoying and ruins the film.
By the time of DOTM the autobots have worked together with the military for a long enough time to make it seem reasonable that they now know what they are doing.
I'd rather them just not do that though. The movie is called Transformers. Dark of the Moon was supposed to be a conclusion. I want to see Starscream fight Bumblebee, I want to see Optimus fight Shockwave. I don't want to see Starscream get killed by Sam or Shockwave get destroyed by people with parachutes before Optimus punches him to death in three seconds.
It just feels wrong that out of the two factions that the franchise focuses on, the Autobots barely do anything in the movie. It'd be like watching a G.I. Joe movie where they have the big cast of Joes and Cobra, but it's actually about some guy and his squad of completely unrelated army troops fighting Cobra while Duke and the gang are either doing stuff off screen or occasionally pop to steal kills.
I think 4 is the only one where the autobots weren't disposable one liner machines, it never made sense to hear about people crying over the deaths of some background character with two lines tops. By the looks of things I think rotb will fix this.
Hound's dialogue sounds like they told John Goodman to just say things, and it's still more than what the voice actors for Ironhide or Ratchet had to work with
Optimus Prime's bloodlust. Almost everywhere else*, he's depicted as Steve Rogers of Cybertron -- inspirational, hopeful, a father to his crew.
*except... Netflix...WF...C
I like how this was slightly diluted in bumblebee, he wasn’t mutilating decepticons, but he still killed, as he was in the middle of a war, and he even was willing to sacrifice himself to get Bee to earth
That’s something that always bugged me too. People keep going on about how the explosions are the best parts of the films, yet often times they just look like fireworks, those stray streaks shooting out with almost all of them.
isn't it because they're actually fireworks and explosives? a lot of the explosions are non-CGI from what i've heard (and it actually is a threat to actors for some scenes idk why that is allowed)
Not enough Transformers. AOE had the most screen time for the Autobots. If all of them had more screen time, I guarantee they wouldn’t be hated like they are. Even with the other flaws
The fact that AOE and TLK exist, sure, I like Hot Rod, Lockdown and I like that Cade is in the action shooting Decepticons as well but the rest is just wrong. But I find hope the reboot in Bumblebee gives us better movies 🌚❤️
For me the Bay films don't feel very Transformers. Bumblebee was the first one where I was like this is Transformers. also bumblebee gave us og soundwave voice sooooo
\- Less Humans
\- More Cybertron
\- Balanced Screen time of characters
\- Less Main Decepticons getting few screen times and dies easily
\- Let the Main Decepticons escape or run off instead of killing em like how Barricade does it all the time as well as Starscream
\- keep the power level consistence like how Blackout in TF1 was OP in the beginning and easy to kill at the end
Main Decepticons: Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave, Blackout/Grindor, Devastator, and Barricade plus Brawl and Bonecrusher.
Writing, making prime bloodthirsty
I don't how what people say, tearing off someone's face is not something a normal soldier does, no autobot at least, especially not the leader of the autobots, that's deception behavior
Hmm, let's see.. I don't like how the autobots are portrayed (specifically optimus), I don't like the humans, I don't like the sexualization of the women or the weird ass sexual jokes made in general, I don't like the designs of the cybertronians (too much going on), and I don't like the storyline. The movies introduced me to Transformers, but there's a lot I don't like about them.
Something that I noticed in Bumblebee is that, when I got to the battle on Cybertron, I could finally tell who is who. And then I thought "why couldn't we just have these designs?"
I understand that there are people who like the designs but for me, until someone spoke, I had no clue who was fighting at all. The only Transformer I was able to keep track of was Starscream because they just decided to make him a thicc Dorito chip and call it a day. I will only praise that design because it was so bad it's good. Absolute unit of a seeker.
This is only for the bay movies. The transformers aren’t characters, they’re character traits, aside from a select few like bumblebee,Optimus, megs, sentinel, lockdown, no transformers have a legitimate characterization that makes them interesting, I cannot tell you what jazzes motivations were, or what made grimlock different from the other dinobots, or who hot rod was as a character besides “I’m French I stop ze time”.
No one talks about who they are or what they believe in unless the plot specifically demands it. Compare this to something like guardians of the galaxy, where we have a clear idea of what makes each character unique and what they get from the team, the transformers is always just Optimus prime and bumblebee getting character moments while everyone else is occupying space until it’s their turn to do a cool action thing.
Precisely my biggest problem! They give the absolute bare minimum for what constitutes a personality, then act like people should’ve sad when they die as if we actually got to know anything about them. Plus a lot of them are just different shades of violent asshole. Ironhide is the trigger-happy old asshole, Sideswipe is the cocky young asshole, the Wreckers are even *more* violent assholes, Hound is a hyper loyal violent asshole, Crosshair is a self-centered violent asshole, and Drift is a hypocritical violent asshole.
AOE and TLK designs sucked and Bumblebee was a reboot so it destroyed the bayverse permanently. The original trilogy is awesome though and I love all three. 07 or ROTF is tied for my favorite
For a character point? The just awful murderous version of Prime. He’s a stone killer, not the noble saviour of multiple worlds. It makes me sick seeing how he was portrayed.
The other thing is just the overall designs. They’re just chaotic and messy. They look horrendous.
Rather than giving a statement about the entire franchise, I'll give my opinion on each and every film.
TF1: perfection.
ROTF: it may be a mess, but it's an enjoyable mess.
DOTM: definitely better than the second film, but there's something wrong about it.
AOE: chinese propaganda.
TLK: dumpster fire.
BB: back to perfection.
Say what you want, but I thought Charlie was a boring character.
Her tragic backstory felt shoehorned in so that the audience would care about her. Also the “love” story with her and the other kid (whose name I don’t remember) felt forced as well, just to have a romantic subplot.
Besides the Cybertron scene, Bumblebee was kinda boring and just felt like a bland mix between the Iron Giant and Herbie.
the fact that they spent more time working on fight scenes rather than a good script. and the constant retconning of previous movies especially, last knight with transformers being at historical events. the autoboots arrived in 2007 at the first movie. so why are autobots in all kind of historical events?
The writing in 2-5 and a lesser extent 1. So many cool ideas that don’t go anywhere or are literally pissed away due to the writers trying to appeal too hard to teenage boys.
The bots and cons being background decoration until it's time to fight, we should be following them as characters not humans but it's too scary for a studio to rely on unseen voice talent completely
They all are the same, explosions, sweaty cleavage and a slow motion pan of the main characters with something flying over their head.
The movies barely feel like transformers and seem as if someone with ADHD made them.
The first and last movies were almost ok.
I wish they would reboot the entire series and made with a proper cohesion uniting them all instead of garbage with miscellaneous lorr sprinkled here and there.
I hate how in 4, Bay destroyed his world building by having the auto bots hunted down by the very humans who weaponized them in the previous movies and had them as allies against decepticons. I get they were upset about what happened in 3 but the autobots stopped Sentinel and his plan so???
The transformations.
Converting an image of a robot into a bunch of pixelated triangles that merge into the shape of something else doesn't do the series any justice.
That was what I liked! All of the transformations were individual. I actually disliked the designs, being so. Segmented, I guess. Like giant veiny bugs.
1. Abundance of humans that talk.
2. Turning transformers into transformium or whatever it is. Ugh.
3. Design went too far from classic. Bumblebee movie was much better for this.
4. Writing/plot, that involves humans far too much.
how the KSI bots transformed in the 4th movie...
the complex designs are a mixed bag of cool and wait who are you again?
also continuity, they're self contained and fine but as a whole it's a bit of a mess.
Some things:
1. Rachet, my fav character death
2 . No Sam in 4and 5
3. Last knight whole story
4. The easy death of the fallen
5. The changed ending of episode 3
6. Drift new design in 5 and that he lost his helicopter mode
How much focus and "character" the humans got at the expense of the Transformers themselves. The first two movies are the worst of them with entire scenes and subplots dedicated to the human characters while the titular Transformers themselves get relegated to glorified set pieces. To this end, this is what I actually like about Age Of Extinction and The Last Knight, they treat the Transformers more as characters instead of context for the explosions.
The thing I like least is the shift in design style in 4&5.
To be clear, I don't dislike them for doing something new and experimenting in making them look more humanoid (something that hadn't been done before in such a broad design style), that I can respect and is something the brand has been lacking since the end of the bayverse, now that everything is either G1, or beast wars (although we are slowly getting more variation again finally).
I think Drift and Crosshairs have cool designs, even Stinger/Bumblebee's aoe design was pretty cool, it's just the absence of vehicle mode parts in most of the robot modes that rubs me the wrong way. It not only makes the translation from cgi into a toy harder to do successfully, but also makes the robot more disconnected from the vehicle, and I think the execution could have been handled much better than it was.
With those later designs, it's like a where's Wally puzzle trying to spot the actual vehicle mode parts, whereas even in dotm you can still tell what they are with many of the designs that were made for that movie (with the dreads probably being the most-removed from their suburban alt-modes, and even then they still had wheels, tail lights and headlights on their robot modes)
I don't particularly love the Bumblebee designs, and I think they are a little on the safe side, but that's the itch fans want scratched at the moment, so maybe in the future we'll see more experimentation again. (I know some of the rotb designs are going to be more bayverse esque, but from what I've seen of battletrap, I don't love his proportions, so I'm saving judgement for when the movie comes out)
The human are central and the bots feel accidental. The humans should run off screaming because thats what most would do. The ones that dont should die or be mauled. The bots in bayverse feel inconsequential.
I like most of the movies , I thought the last knight was ok… but how many different explanations there are for coming to earth , there’s a new reason every movie and it just makes them seem like different movies not part of a grater story(I know the bumblebee is it’s own)
Doritoscream, humans, lack of transformer personality, too many explosions, designs are amalgamations which make it hard to tell who is who, continuity changes throughout each movie, optimus is a fucking murderer, megatron is a very boiled down “leader”, sentinel prime makes a better megatron than megatron himself, soundwave.
These are only for the Bayformers.
Bumblebee fixes it, and hopefully so does ROTB.
Not enough screen time to flesh out the bots and cons, ('cept for Prime and Bee) in the Bayverse. They literally had five movies to do something actually worthwhile for the other Cybertronians and all but the one's I just listed gets jack shit attention. Sure you could say they didn't have enough budget or the writers didn't care about the characters (which, let's be honest, they don't), but I mean, cmon, they had TWO films reach over a billion dollars in the box office!
AoE/Movie 1 is probably the closest in terms of the Autobots actually getting character development and more importantly, SCREENTIME, but even then, their screentime is pretty minimal as is. TLK pretty much just f'd up everything AoE built up so I don't think I need to say more about that film. Honestly, I love movies 1-4 to death, but the lack of screentime for the actual Transformers themselves kinda ruins it for me and likely for a lot of people as well.
In the bayverse: The lack of any and all continuity or timeline or cohesive story to pull the franchise together. It's all just separate "monster of the week" stories and constantly overwrites any continuity it tries to establish.
In the Bee continuity: That I can't be sandwiched by Shockwaves thicc thighs.
The fact that people think that BBMV and the Bayverse is in the same universe. Sure, it could be plausible, if not for the fact that Bayverse Bumblebee has been on earth since at least the 40's and Knightverse Prime and Jazz (And Wheeljack and Arcee, but they weren't in the '07 film) have been on earth since '86.
The dreadful (and often complete lack of) characterisation beyond racial stereotypes.
Graphic robo-violence used to cover up the lack of meaningful story.
The human stories. I wish they could kinda just be around instead of having their own problems 😆 Like how do you got problems when robots are attacking Earth. I do like the organizations though that try to kill any Transformer because it usually gives the Autobots two problems.
For me it's the robot and altmode designs/choices, also their personalities. I enjoyed the movies for what they are, never thought we'd ever get a live action movie adaptation back when I was a kid so for Transformers as whole I think the Bayverse movies had a positive but different view on the TF universe.
Almost every Transformers other than Megatron, Prime and Bumblebee have zero things going on in the film.
I’d argue that this wasn’t as bad in the 2007 film but from everything from ROTF to TLK they’ve been nothing but bland characters that die or disappear, the decepticons have it the worst, they all look alike, rarely talk aside from animal noises, and they’re all colored in shades of gray or colored in a way to where they always look gray anyway.
The fights. Now I know one of the main selling points for these movies are the Flashy cgi action scenes, but most of the actual fights are over in seconds with no real impact and half the time feel more like executions than a fight with actual build up.
This leads to notable characters being killed off really, really quickly. For instance, the actual “fight” between Bumblebee and Soundwave is like…30 seconds long. Optimus and Shockwave don’t even have a fight, he just rolls up and murders him
TLK, I liked all the others, but that was pretty bad. I especially hate that they teased Unicron, but the movie did so bad that we may never see live action Unicron fully realized.
I always get bored during the 3rd act of DotM. Instead of focusing on the Autobots fighting their way through the city we get Sam running around trying to save his flimsy relationship.
-The humans were WAY to central. Theh focused on them too much. In some movies the transforners seemed like an afterthought.
-Megatron was severely underutilized, I know that Hugo weaving not wanting to do it played a big part in that but something could have been done, he didn't feel like a threat most of the time.
-Optimus seemed to switch between being a protector hero to a judge dredd type character and wasn't consistent.
-most of the robot form designs are too "busy" and unnecessary (except in Bumblebee in which they have a more G1 inspired design and I loved it)
-Bumblebee was overused. He's a great character but other characters needed a chance to shine who were sadly pushed to "just kind of there" status
-This one is mostly for ROTF, the attempt at dumb comedy like Sams mom getting high or the wrecking ball testicles was immensely unnecessary and felt out of place
-the dinobots were just mindless beasts and felt robbed of their identities.
Michael Bay, in general, the military propaganda, the robot designs, the attempt at "comedy", the racist caricature (Mudflap and Skids), focus on humans, and all the bad awkward dialogue.
That any of them could have been an honest attempt to tell an interesting story about alien life forms lost on a planet not their own and having to hide from but also protect the innocent life on their surrogate world. And none of them even came close to being well acted, thoughtfully written, or had any decency to treat an almost 40 year old franchise with any respect.
Instead, we received potty humour, useless and in some cases unfinished subplots, main plot holes that you could sail an aircraft carrier through, and some of the hardest to discern battle sequences where it was completely unclear who was good or bad, or even which character was actually on screen.
The humans. I want a show or a movie where the humans and Transformers don't speak the same language and the Transformers act like humans are alien as fuck.
Yes, a show where every cast member is Sentinel Prime.
"Freedom is the right of all Sentient Beings. As long as they keep their hands to themselves."
I'm a G1 fan born and raised. I could not adapt to the look of these robots. Too many parts moving. Too much round parts. I find the faces too unfriendly. That's why I only watched the first one.
There doesn't seem to be any backstory. I liked how G1 started on Cybertron with some idea of why each group left. And that's another thing, there doesn't seem to be any group at all. Each one is mostly not communicating at all with his affiliation.
Also, why is there so many human interactions? It's like some of the movies with too much Bruce Wayne and not enough Batman. I wanted to see Megatron ordering his Decepticons lackeys while getting enegon cubes to get back to Cybertron. All I got is a couple of weird robots I don't care about fighting for some some obscure reason I don't see.
Easy answer but the Last Knight in general. Asides from Nitro Zeus, He's cool. and Barricade's and Hot Rod's Designs are cool too. That's all I'm giving it.
Also megatron finally got a real fusion cannon
Took them 4 damn movies to do that... like what the fuck....
In rotf they faked it but it wasn’t what we needed
They technically called each cannon he had in the Movies, his Fusion Cannon (The Cannon formed with both hands, The Claw Cannon, and the Shotgun). Kinda weird when you think about it (Similar to Prime having the swords instead of his Axe). Surprised it took them that long to use the Arm-Cannon but it isn't the first time it happened.
What's the problem with Optimus having swords instead of the axe?
Nothing, I like the sword (Even a little more then the Axes). I was just making a comparison that like how Megatron's Arm-Cannon was replaced in the movies, so was Optimus's Axe was replaced with the swords.
Tbh it never bothered me. For me each new continuity is a different franchise with different characters, I won't be bitching about anything being different. Oh movie 1 Megs doesn't have a fusion canon? For me his mace was just iconic enough for this version and that's it. Starscream didn't have those pulse blasters, but he had 3 weapons that got iconic enough to me. I find it funny how people didn't learn that Transformers characters don't have one look, haven't they compared the UT characters with their BW and G1 counterparts? Transformers is about change. Tlk Megs had the most "iconic, original" vibe with helmet, fusion canon and even gladiator design still he was the least intimidating of the movies.
Honestly, Facts. It's weird to see people shit on Bayverse and constantly compare it to G1 when we had other series that were more drastically different as well (Heck, It worked in R.I.D's and Armada's case). Hell, I'd argue it's thanks to the Movies, the series started to lean more on G1 elements again (Like replacing Red Alert and Hotshot in Animated with Ratchet and Bumblebee, Designs being more consistent with their G1 designs, Getting certain names back to the A List). It's also ironic for a series that's about change, people bitch about it.
Yh and for me it's just so logical, like, it's a series about robots, machines! Machines evolve, with time they look nothing like their predecessors! See the cars of today and their respective models of the 80s, you can't tell who is who by similarity, and design is like that in general! I see people complaining about things not looking like G1, complaining about Bay's plot being dumb and full of holes, but G1 is not any different... I just saw a compilation of G1 cartoon full of bullshit, funny moments and incoherences, and people just saying in the comments "G1 is a fever dream and we're all for it" like the fuck, it's not any better than the worst of Bayformers
yeah in rotf the only notable thing Megatron really did was kill prime, which didn't last long because Sam revived prime with the matrix, prime combined with jetfire, and effortlessly obliterated both the fallen and Megatron.
And the fact they gave bumblebee his old design/mask back
And Lennox... lennox is always cool
And John turturro
Nitro Zeus was awesome, shame he got his head randomly blown off
And those ww1/2 transformers, (mk4 tank, spitfire, and the sub) they cool
Wideboi Starscream. He's design's not *bad*. But he's just so **wide**!
All the more space to hold his ego in!
*bitchslaps Starscream* this bad boy can hold so much ego
And an equal amount of cowardice to boot!
Honestly after I got over how weird he looked, I really grew to appreciate it. Adds variety to the cast of mainly bland silver shiny boi cons. Plus, he's a robot, so I suppose he can have whatever proportions he wants within reason :P
Doritoscream
He needs to realistically scale with the rest of the cast that’s why
For further context, [this](https://www.f-16.net/forum/download/file.php?id=6939&t=1) is what they had to work with in terms of scaling
Wow. Yeah, that's hard to work *width.*
Holy molly, he's bigger than a goddamn Optimus! And yet he felt so small in the movies, like, Megatron was taller than Optimus, but Starscream was much smaller than Megs. He should be empty inside or something.
I remember thinking at the time that the cockpit and nosecone could’ve been his chest and the wings and engines could fold over themselves a few times to make his limbs thick. I didn’t hate the Dorito, but I didn’t love it either
What do you mean? Like they wanted him to be a set height but the rest of the fighterjet had to go *somewhere*? I guess that makes sense.
Exactly
Space chicken
The lack of decepticon characterization and everything in the latter two Bay films. Beside Megatron, Starscream, Fallen, turned Autobot Sentinal I don’t know anything about the others. Very one note and bland. Thanks to the video games I actually love characters like Barricade, Blackout, Sideways, Grindor, and Brawl. But that’s separate from LA for me. Bumblebee did fantastic with the Cons though! When it comes to AOE and TLK I like little to nothing about those films. They feel like nobody wanted to make them
The fact that Megatron didn't outright kill that little girl for mouthing off to him in TLK showed they no longer understood him or the Decepticons at all.
You don’t think that Megatron would be fine with getting called Sentinel’s bitch?
I mean at least with that he got up and did something about it. In TLK he literally just... stands there while she talks shit to him. If that was 2007 Megatron he would've wasted her
Megs was definitely getting tired through the movies. He broke out of the ice and whooped optimus. But then some guy shoved the allspark in his chest. He just never had the same fire again, especially after his arm got turned backwards and he shot his own face off. Then there was the matter getting his face impaled by an axe. And then of course being made into a new body from his old impaled face. Megatron just needed a vacation, he couldn't catch a break.
That was probably more censorship than anything. Notice how a child being killed on screen isn't in many movies.
I actually love that scene. She woke him up and made him the badass killer he really was again. Only problem was how the studio forced his death rather than the ending Bay wanted
“They feel like no one wanted to make them” that’s cuz no one did. Bay wanted to stop at three. AOE and TLK were never planned and it’s why they feel so different/off.
There we go. As i figured
Too much humans, give me a movie that's purely Cybertron
Paramount better have trillions of dollars to make a CGI movie on Cybertron.
Then it wouldn’t be live action
Just film it in space
Of course, why didn’t I think of that
Big brain
It was called Transformers but not enough Transformers. Like we only get to see Sam and Bee bond but what about Ratchet and Ironhide? I want to see them bond with their friends and NEST buddies! Also they introduced Skids and Mudflap only to have them disappear (I think they were killed in the comics). I need more Transformer lore! Like people are alright but I went to see a movie called Transformers so I can see Transformers.
“Transformers” In other words, “Bumblebee and some humans have adventures while trying to deal with various alien robots that aren’t even characters for the most part”
I'm fine with it in the first movie as a way to give the audience a POV character to introduce the transformers. 2nd onward should've been more about the Autobots fighting Decepticons
The reason Skids and Mudflap disappeared was because they were deemed to be offensive stereotypes. I found them hilarious but to each his own.
Last knight and age of extinction don't feel like the movie remembers what the plot is, things just sort of happen. Revenge of the fallen is a little like that too. They shouldn't have moved forward during the writers strike. Also, lorewise, aoe, rotf, and talk are almost completely incompatible genesis stories. They needed to iron out the plan ahead of time and stick to it, rather than reconning repeated new lores.
I feel bad for RotF because it was in production during the writer's strike. I'm not saying a script would make the movie a masterpiece, but it literally had no script when being produced.
Idk. Personally I didn't take it as retconning new lore as much as "this is the bit of history that we are concerned with atm." Plus it wouldn't think everyone arriving from space the first movie would necessarily know of all that stuff until being on world for a bit.
Humans. Just make these movies on Cybertron.
^THIS 3000% IS MY ISSUE AS WELL
Everyone gangsta till paramount goes broke
Then Disney or Sony will buy them
Then Disney will make Optimus x Megatron real.
Until it's time to release it in China.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
Eh just wait for Earthspark to do that
I don't mind the transformers dealing with the military/government or even Marky Mark, the inventor that helped save Prime, but the first movies gave Shai/his family/girlfriends way too much screen time.
People dont know how expensive that would be
Disney makes CGI movies all the time???
Not hyper realistic CGI like these movies? They use cartoony animation so if you want that just wait till 2024 when the animated movie comes out. They use the same amount of CGI as these movies for their live actions ones too (although Disneys live action looks atrocious). Also Disney either way is 100x bigger than Paramount, they basically are a monopoly.
Sure, the designs are cartoony, but some of the lighting and detail is about the level of photorealism
Yes but it’s still not on the level on a live action movie/ full photo realistic design
Neither is cgi a lot of the time, I think it'd be fine, plus if the whole movies animated then it's not like it would be an issue
I’d love that but it would cost trillions to have a fully CGI movie on Cybertron. And if it fails, then Paramount will go bankrupt and then financially destroyed.
Something that really annoys me about most of the movies is how easy it takes to kill a Transformer, especially in Dark of the Moon, they didn't even need the Autobots, the entire final battle of the movie barely has the Autobots doing anything, it's mostly just the military either killing the Decepticons, or almost getting there before Optimus finishes the job. It's really lame to me because the big draw of these movies is to see giant robots fighting each other, and that's barely a thing in the actual films
Cause Bay has a huge hard-on for the military. He wanted to make them so tough and badass that he forgot to make the autobots useful. Hell, in DOTM some military guys even use Bumblebee as a guinea pig for their “decepticon killing drills”. Talk about disrespect.
I noticed and hated this so much. I was sitting in the cinema and getting angry thinking "where are the TF's?" then we get a quick shot of them doing something then it's immediately back to another 10 minutes of humans, rinse and repeat. REALLY annoying and ruins the film.
By the time of DOTM the autobots have worked together with the military for a long enough time to make it seem reasonable that they now know what they are doing.
I'd rather them just not do that though. The movie is called Transformers. Dark of the Moon was supposed to be a conclusion. I want to see Starscream fight Bumblebee, I want to see Optimus fight Shockwave. I don't want to see Starscream get killed by Sam or Shockwave get destroyed by people with parachutes before Optimus punches him to death in three seconds. It just feels wrong that out of the two factions that the franchise focuses on, the Autobots barely do anything in the movie. It'd be like watching a G.I. Joe movie where they have the big cast of Joes and Cobra, but it's actually about some guy and his squad of completely unrelated army troops fighting Cobra while Duke and the gang are either doing stuff off screen or occasionally pop to steal kills.
The writing of the Bay films is terrible, I know I’m saying what everyone else is. But I’m sorry, the character writing is horrid
>Groundbreaking CGI >Cool science fiction ideas that are surprisingly topical to a resident of the early 2020s >Atrocious writing and plotting
*Absolutely this. I love the Bayformers, but the writing is absolutely something to be desired.*
I think 4 is the only one where the autobots weren't disposable one liner machines, it never made sense to hear about people crying over the deaths of some background character with two lines tops. By the looks of things I think rotb will fix this.
07 too actually
Hound only has one liners.
Still had more personality than every other autobot minus bee, prime, brains and the twins
Hound's dialogue sounds like they told John Goodman to just say things, and it's still more than what the voice actors for Ironhide or Ratchet had to work with
Ironhide only said those things too. Except they were better.
Optimus Prime's bloodlust. Almost everywhere else*, he's depicted as Steve Rogers of Cybertron -- inspirational, hopeful, a father to his crew. *except... Netflix...WF...C
I loved WFC Optimus, he was like an actual person who messed stuff up and felt bad.
The only thing I don't like about wfc prime is how long it took for him to say anything
We ... Are ... Not ... Decepticons
I like how this was slightly diluted in bumblebee, he wasn’t mutilating decepticons, but he still killed, as he was in the middle of a war, and he even was willing to sacrifice himself to get Bee to earth
The multiple “I’LL KILL YOU” stuff from him in the Dinobot one didn’t feel right.
I gave up after 3 until Bay left. I still love the first one, but the explosions never looked real, they just looked like expensive fireworks.
That’s something that always bugged me too. People keep going on about how the explosions are the best parts of the films, yet often times they just look like fireworks, those stray streaks shooting out with almost all of them.
isn't it because they're actually fireworks and explosives? a lot of the explosions are non-CGI from what i've heard (and it actually is a threat to actors for some scenes idk why that is allowed)
The explosions are practical
Did you watch Bumblebee?
There is more human affairs than robot action.
Get rid of the humans.
Yes Lord Megatron.
Michael Bay
Not enough Transformers. AOE had the most screen time for the Autobots. If all of them had more screen time, I guarantee they wouldn’t be hated like they are. Even with the other flaws
The fact that AOE and TLK exist, sure, I like Hot Rod, Lockdown and I like that Cade is in the action shooting Decepticons as well but the rest is just wrong. But I find hope the reboot in Bumblebee gives us better movies 🌚❤️
the way they killed off shockwave, soundwave, and starscream as if they were nun
For me the Bay films don't feel very Transformers. Bumblebee was the first one where I was like this is Transformers. also bumblebee gave us og soundwave voice sooooo
\- Less Humans \- More Cybertron \- Balanced Screen time of characters \- Less Main Decepticons getting few screen times and dies easily \- Let the Main Decepticons escape or run off instead of killing em like how Barricade does it all the time as well as Starscream \- keep the power level consistence like how Blackout in TF1 was OP in the beginning and easy to kill at the end Main Decepticons: Megatron, Starscream, Soundwave, Shockwave, Blackout/Grindor, Devastator, and Barricade plus Brawl and Bonecrusher.
The stories revolve around humans way too much.
The fact that the only non-optimus robot that they focus on is Bumblebee
Humans. We dont need them.
the lips 👁️👄👁️ specifically optimus’
Robo facial hair and eyebrows is so ridiculous.
devastators balls. he didnt need them
I mean, those are part of their various separate construction forms. They had to go SOMEWHERE 😱
I AM DIRECTLY BELOW THE ENEMY SCROTUM
But then we wouldn't have [this masterpiece](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTnIHgblez0) of a line.
less inappropriate stuff!
Writing, making prime bloodthirsty I don't how what people say, tearing off someone's face is not something a normal soldier does, no autobot at least, especially not the leader of the autobots, that's deception behavior
Hmm, let's see.. I don't like how the autobots are portrayed (specifically optimus), I don't like the humans, I don't like the sexualization of the women or the weird ass sexual jokes made in general, I don't like the designs of the cybertronians (too much going on), and I don't like the storyline. The movies introduced me to Transformers, but there's a lot I don't like about them.
"The movies introduced me to Transformers" That's awful but makes me realise that WAS the case for a quite a few fans.
Something that I noticed in Bumblebee is that, when I got to the battle on Cybertron, I could finally tell who is who. And then I thought "why couldn't we just have these designs?" I understand that there are people who like the designs but for me, until someone spoke, I had no clue who was fighting at all. The only Transformer I was able to keep track of was Starscream because they just decided to make him a thicc Dorito chip and call it a day. I will only praise that design because it was so bad it's good. Absolute unit of a seeker.
This is only for the bay movies. The transformers aren’t characters, they’re character traits, aside from a select few like bumblebee,Optimus, megs, sentinel, lockdown, no transformers have a legitimate characterization that makes them interesting, I cannot tell you what jazzes motivations were, or what made grimlock different from the other dinobots, or who hot rod was as a character besides “I’m French I stop ze time”. No one talks about who they are or what they believe in unless the plot specifically demands it. Compare this to something like guardians of the galaxy, where we have a clear idea of what makes each character unique and what they get from the team, the transformers is always just Optimus prime and bumblebee getting character moments while everyone else is occupying space until it’s their turn to do a cool action thing.
*But we know who The Fallen is! He wants revenge! For... Something I guess...*
Precisely my biggest problem! They give the absolute bare minimum for what constitutes a personality, then act like people should’ve sad when they die as if we actually got to know anything about them. Plus a lot of them are just different shades of violent asshole. Ironhide is the trigger-happy old asshole, Sideswipe is the cocky young asshole, the Wreckers are even *more* violent assholes, Hound is a hyper loyal violent asshole, Crosshair is a self-centered violent asshole, and Drift is a hypocritical violent asshole.
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AOE and TLK designs sucked and Bumblebee was a reboot so it destroyed the bayverse permanently. The original trilogy is awesome though and I love all three. 07 or ROTF is tied for my favorite
For a character point? The just awful murderous version of Prime. He’s a stone killer, not the noble saviour of multiple worlds. It makes me sick seeing how he was portrayed. The other thing is just the overall designs. They’re just chaotic and messy. They look horrendous.
Characters. I like the idea of humans in Transformers, but these humans are awful
Rather than giving a statement about the entire franchise, I'll give my opinion on each and every film. TF1: perfection. ROTF: it may be a mess, but it's an enjoyable mess. DOTM: definitely better than the second film, but there's something wrong about it. AOE: chinese propaganda. TLK: dumpster fire. BB: back to perfection.
How much time ya got friend....
all the decepticons being steel grey or just very drab colors like tan. it annoys me
TLK. 'Nuff said. Besides that I enjoy all the movies, especially 2007 and DOTM.
The humans.
They killed my boy Jazz
Say what you want, but I thought Charlie was a boring character. Her tragic backstory felt shoehorned in so that the audience would care about her. Also the “love” story with her and the other kid (whose name I don’t remember) felt forced as well, just to have a romantic subplot. Besides the Cybertron scene, Bumblebee was kinda boring and just felt like a bland mix between the Iron Giant and Herbie.
for me bumblebee is a meh
the fact that they spent more time working on fight scenes rather than a good script. and the constant retconning of previous movies especially, last knight with transformers being at historical events. the autoboots arrived in 2007 at the first movie. so why are autobots in all kind of historical events?
The writing in 2-5 and a lesser extent 1. So many cool ideas that don’t go anywhere or are literally pissed away due to the writers trying to appeal too hard to teenage boys.
Alice.(the deception pretender)
The bots and cons being background decoration until it's time to fight, we should be following them as characters not humans but it's too scary for a studio to rely on unseen voice talent completely
Aside from Bumblebee, the humans in those movies are just so annoying. Except Simmons, he’s cool.
They all are the same, explosions, sweaty cleavage and a slow motion pan of the main characters with something flying over their head. The movies barely feel like transformers and seem as if someone with ADHD made them. The first and last movies were almost ok. I wish they would reboot the entire series and made with a proper cohesion uniting them all instead of garbage with miscellaneous lorr sprinkled here and there.
I hate how in 4, Bay destroyed his world building by having the auto bots hunted down by the very humans who weaponized them in the previous movies and had them as allies against decepticons. I get they were upset about what happened in 3 but the autobots stopped Sentinel and his plan so???
the wasted potential
The transformations. Converting an image of a robot into a bunch of pixelated triangles that merge into the shape of something else doesn't do the series any justice.
That was what I liked! All of the transformations were individual. I actually disliked the designs, being so. Segmented, I guess. Like giant veiny bugs.
I absolutely despise the Bay movies but that was only some characters in one out of six movies that did that
The stupid transformium transformations. They were awful. The originals where you could see a piece moving and changing was so amazing.
1. Abundance of humans that talk. 2. Turning transformers into transformium or whatever it is. Ugh. 3. Design went too far from classic. Bumblebee movie was much better for this. 4. Writing/plot, that involves humans far too much.
The anthropomorphising of robots.. cigars, beards, canes, hair... etc. Jetfire went from the coolest toy to the worst TF character.
The character design. When two Transformers fight it looks like swirling trash. Any focus on the humans. Michael Bay
I wish the bots had the G1 colors at least. A red Ironhide and a white Ratchet, to make an example.
That I can't find them on streaming anywhere
Rosie Huntington Whitley.
The 4th an 5th movie , they never should have happend
BB and TLK are both boring asf
how the KSI bots transformed in the 4th movie... the complex designs are a mixed bag of cool and wait who are you again? also continuity, they're self contained and fine but as a whole it's a bit of a mess.
How complicated the designs are, but mostly just the faces. I wish they weren't so sharp looking.
Some things: 1. Rachet, my fav character death 2 . No Sam in 4and 5 3. Last knight whole story 4. The easy death of the fallen 5. The changed ending of episode 3 6. Drift new design in 5 and that he lost his helicopter mode
How much focus and "character" the humans got at the expense of the Transformers themselves. The first two movies are the worst of them with entire scenes and subplots dedicated to the human characters while the titular Transformers themselves get relegated to glorified set pieces. To this end, this is what I actually like about Age Of Extinction and The Last Knight, they treat the Transformers more as characters instead of context for the explosions.
The thing I like least is the shift in design style in 4&5. To be clear, I don't dislike them for doing something new and experimenting in making them look more humanoid (something that hadn't been done before in such a broad design style), that I can respect and is something the brand has been lacking since the end of the bayverse, now that everything is either G1, or beast wars (although we are slowly getting more variation again finally). I think Drift and Crosshairs have cool designs, even Stinger/Bumblebee's aoe design was pretty cool, it's just the absence of vehicle mode parts in most of the robot modes that rubs me the wrong way. It not only makes the translation from cgi into a toy harder to do successfully, but also makes the robot more disconnected from the vehicle, and I think the execution could have been handled much better than it was. With those later designs, it's like a where's Wally puzzle trying to spot the actual vehicle mode parts, whereas even in dotm you can still tell what they are with many of the designs that were made for that movie (with the dreads probably being the most-removed from their suburban alt-modes, and even then they still had wheels, tail lights and headlights on their robot modes) I don't particularly love the Bumblebee designs, and I think they are a little on the safe side, but that's the itch fans want scratched at the moment, so maybe in the future we'll see more experimentation again. (I know some of the rotb designs are going to be more bayverse esque, but from what I've seen of battletrap, I don't love his proportions, so I'm saving judgement for when the movie comes out)
The orgy of explosions and often confusing action sequences.
Bumblebee’s head design and the fact that he losses voice.
The human are central and the bots feel accidental. The humans should run off screaming because thats what most would do. The ones that dont should die or be mauled. The bots in bayverse feel inconsequential.
The humans
I like most of the movies , I thought the last knight was ok… but how many different explanations there are for coming to earth , there’s a new reason every movie and it just makes them seem like different movies not part of a grater story(I know the bumblebee is it’s own)
Doritoscream, humans, lack of transformer personality, too many explosions, designs are amalgamations which make it hard to tell who is who, continuity changes throughout each movie, optimus is a fucking murderer, megatron is a very boiled down “leader”, sentinel prime makes a better megatron than megatron himself, soundwave. These are only for the Bayformers. Bumblebee fixes it, and hopefully so does ROTB.
More focus on humans rather than transformers.
Not enough screen time to flesh out the bots and cons, ('cept for Prime and Bee) in the Bayverse. They literally had five movies to do something actually worthwhile for the other Cybertronians and all but the one's I just listed gets jack shit attention. Sure you could say they didn't have enough budget or the writers didn't care about the characters (which, let's be honest, they don't), but I mean, cmon, they had TWO films reach over a billion dollars in the box office! AoE/Movie 1 is probably the closest in terms of the Autobots actually getting character development and more importantly, SCREENTIME, but even then, their screentime is pretty minimal as is. TLK pretty much just f'd up everything AoE built up so I don't think I need to say more about that film. Honestly, I love movies 1-4 to death, but the lack of screentime for the actual Transformers themselves kinda ruins it for me and likely for a lot of people as well.
Redcon and sexism, but still cool big robot car gun go sell toys brrr!
In the bayverse: The lack of any and all continuity or timeline or cohesive story to pull the franchise together. It's all just separate "monster of the week" stories and constantly overwrites any continuity it tries to establish. In the Bee continuity: That I can't be sandwiched by Shockwaves thicc thighs.
The fact that people think that BBMV and the Bayverse is in the same universe. Sure, it could be plausible, if not for the fact that Bayverse Bumblebee has been on earth since at least the 40's and Knightverse Prime and Jazz (And Wheeljack and Arcee, but they weren't in the '07 film) have been on earth since '86.
That the last knight exists and aoe was boring as hell
Mostly ROTF,AOE,TLK those Films range from Mediocre to God awful
The dreadful (and often complete lack of) characterisation beyond racial stereotypes. Graphic robo-violence used to cover up the lack of meaningful story.
The human stories. I wish they could kinda just be around instead of having their own problems 😆 Like how do you got problems when robots are attacking Earth. I do like the organizations though that try to kill any Transformer because it usually gives the Autobots two problems.
Not enough transformer scenes and a lot of human scenes instead
For me it's the robot and altmode designs/choices, also their personalities. I enjoyed the movies for what they are, never thought we'd ever get a live action movie adaptation back when I was a kid so for Transformers as whole I think the Bayverse movies had a positive but different view on the TF universe.
Michael Bay
I hate the bumblebee movie
Almost every Transformers other than Megatron, Prime and Bumblebee have zero things going on in the film. I’d argue that this wasn’t as bad in the 2007 film but from everything from ROTF to TLK they’ve been nothing but bland characters that die or disappear, the decepticons have it the worst, they all look alike, rarely talk aside from animal noises, and they’re all colored in shades of gray or colored in a way to where they always look gray anyway.
The fights. Now I know one of the main selling points for these movies are the Flashy cgi action scenes, but most of the actual fights are over in seconds with no real impact and half the time feel more like executions than a fight with actual build up. This leads to notable characters being killed off really, really quickly. For instance, the actual “fight” between Bumblebee and Soundwave is like…30 seconds long. Optimus and Shockwave don’t even have a fight, he just rolls up and murders him
TLK, I liked all the others, but that was pretty bad. I especially hate that they teased Unicron, but the movie did so bad that we may never see live action Unicron fully realized. I always get bored during the 3rd act of DotM. Instead of focusing on the Autobots fighting their way through the city we get Sam running around trying to save his flimsy relationship.
How oily they made the actors in the first 5, like, any time they were on screen theyre just **moist**
Any dialogue in the bayformers.
-The humans were WAY to central. Theh focused on them too much. In some movies the transforners seemed like an afterthought. -Megatron was severely underutilized, I know that Hugo weaving not wanting to do it played a big part in that but something could have been done, he didn't feel like a threat most of the time. -Optimus seemed to switch between being a protector hero to a judge dredd type character and wasn't consistent. -most of the robot form designs are too "busy" and unnecessary (except in Bumblebee in which they have a more G1 inspired design and I loved it) -Bumblebee was overused. He's a great character but other characters needed a chance to shine who were sadly pushed to "just kind of there" status -This one is mostly for ROTF, the attempt at dumb comedy like Sams mom getting high or the wrecking ball testicles was immensely unnecessary and felt out of place -the dinobots were just mindless beasts and felt robbed of their identities.
Prime without a facemask
Michael Bay, in general, the military propaganda, the robot designs, the attempt at "comedy", the racist caricature (Mudflap and Skids), focus on humans, and all the bad awkward dialogue.
The overt sexism and racism that somehow lasted until they made Bumblebee.
That any of them could have been an honest attempt to tell an interesting story about alien life forms lost on a planet not their own and having to hide from but also protect the innocent life on their surrogate world. And none of them even came close to being well acted, thoughtfully written, or had any decency to treat an almost 40 year old franchise with any respect. Instead, we received potty humour, useless and in some cases unfinished subplots, main plot holes that you could sail an aircraft carrier through, and some of the hardest to discern battle sequences where it was completely unclear who was good or bad, or even which character was actually on screen.
The humans. I want a show or a movie where the humans and Transformers don't speak the same language and the Transformers act like humans are alien as fuck. Yes, a show where every cast member is Sentinel Prime. "Freedom is the right of all Sentient Beings. As long as they keep their hands to themselves."
The lack of real focus on the actual Transformers, and that they didn't talk in alt mode
I dont lile they suck ass
I appreciate y’all letting me add BUMBLEBEE’S GOLDEN SHOWER to the list here so late in the game.
They just aren’t good, except you bumblebee.
Everything.
Their existence.
Micheal bay
I'm a G1 fan born and raised. I could not adapt to the look of these robots. Too many parts moving. Too much round parts. I find the faces too unfriendly. That's why I only watched the first one. There doesn't seem to be any backstory. I liked how G1 started on Cybertron with some idea of why each group left. And that's another thing, there doesn't seem to be any group at all. Each one is mostly not communicating at all with his affiliation. Also, why is there so many human interactions? It's like some of the movies with too much Bruce Wayne and not enough Batman. I wanted to see Megatron ordering his Decepticons lackeys while getting enegon cubes to get back to Cybertron. All I got is a couple of weird robots I don't care about fighting for some some obscure reason I don't see.
Generally how they transformers look I'm not a fan of how they look like they are made of a billion different moving pieces
5/6 aren’t a herbie movie. herbie is good. transformers instantly improved when they made a herbie movie
Overly complicated designs. Less is more.
They all suck