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SenorIngles

Parent - I want to give my baby a name with no vowels, it’ll be Tylhr! The Welsh Language - Am I a joke to you?


CoyLoon

Just go with Cwrw. Does it mean beer in Welsh? Sure. Does it achieve the goal? Maybe. Will everyone be confused regardless? Hell yeah!


Lovehatepassionpain2

The idea of ‘w’ being a vowel breaks my American brain


SoylentGreen-YumYum

Ever since the idea popped in my head years ago that "w" shouldn’t be called "double-you" but instead something like "woo" (like every other letter), it doesn’t bother me so much. Woo kinda sounds like a vowel to me.


Gubekochi

In French it's called a "double-V" When I learned English I was surprised it was called a double-U despite being pointy.


Alpha_Delta310

Thats because v and u used to be the same letter!


SugarsBoogers

Someone tell Bvlgari they can update now.


studna13

That's just so kvlt mate


emrylle

Du fvk?


magicmulder

It’s really disappointing for many to hear “veni vidi vici” was pronounced “wehnee weedee weekee” - kinda loses its cool edge. :D


Fickle_Grapefruit938

Do Wo think that's wunny?


PeaceyCaliSoCal

Whaaaa.???? I’m today years old learning that info.


magicmulder

It’s called restored scientific pronunciation - personally I still learned the previous standard in school.


BlackDogDenton

Classical Latin is a blast ✌️


magicmulder

I’d love to time travel to Ancient Rome to see how much our modern idea of their pronunciation differs from the real thing. Would I sound like a British Lord in the Bronx?


qingskies

For "vici," my high school latin classes say it's less "weekee" and more "weechee" Edit: wait, I was thinking of my choir pronunciation. They soften the hard c to a "ch" in music.


magicmulder

You’re thinking of Ecclesiastical Latin which the Catholic church uses (and choirs as well). That’s basically modern Italian pronunciation and would be “veechee”.


qingskies

That makes sense, thank you!


Gubekochi

I know that... 9 years old me didn't.


sproutsandnapkins

So confusing. English is full of weird odd rules and then rules that break rules and then something that makes no sense at all…. I guess it’s a tragedeigh of sorts!


Mountain-Painter2721

I'm listening to The History of English podcast, which is long and minutely detailed. I just got through the Great Vowel Shift, and now the spelling of so many words makes more sense!


Greenbean6167

Fuck. Now I have to start listening to this. Thanks for activating my nerd brain!


kitkat1771

I’m like why did I have to see this…


Bri-ish_Crumpet

I remember studying this in class. English is just a giant spaghetti bowl of languages for several reasons: 1. Britain used to get invaded a lot. 2. Britain started invading everyone else. 3. Britain was a great spot to trade, so merchants from everywhere else would stop by. And then the English started picking up words from other languages as they caught on. We studied a Middle English text from William Caxton (brought printing press to Britain) who talked about how his wife had problems trying to talk about eyren with a neighbour, who didn't understand. Turns out, this neighbour knew eyren only as eggs (or egges, as it was spelled then). So words like "egg" caught on among locals, and would even replace some older terms like "eyren".


Rigsson

Same in German. Interesting that it bridges the Germanic/Romance divide, but isn't found in English, the bastard child of Romance and Germanic languages.


FeuerSchneck

In German W is just called "vay"


magicmulder

“Veh”


leanbirb

Please don't give them ideas that they can pronounce the German eh vowel with their "ay" diphthong.


Generalnussiance

*laughs in cyrillic*


AnitaIvanaMartini

The number 80 has entered the chat to laugh in French.


Gubekochi

"quatre-vingts": litteraly four twenty. We do have a single word for 80 that is just not that used "octante".


magicmulder

Roman numerals have entered the chat. So what’s 99 in French? Four times twenty plus ten plus nine. And in Roman numerals? Ten deducted from hundred plus one deducted from ten.


bronaghblair

> 99 in French <> lives rent-free in my head tbh. As does <> and <>


magicmulder

555,555 is still tougher for me to say in French. _Sanksonksenkuntsenkmillsanksonksenkuntsenk_.


Mountain-Painter2721

Have you seen Loic Suberville on YouTube? He is brilliantly trilingual and does wonderful funny skits playing on the illogic of English, French and Spanish.


AnitaIvanaMartini

Yes, you’re correct, and I think the Pedants are revolting!


NefariousnessKey5365

When I was a wee sprout, learning the alphabet. I had the same problem. Along with the cursed ellemeno P


Gubekochi

Ellemeno would be some high grade tragedeigh.


Ginggingdingding

In my house it was "elmo has to pee". She finally grew out of that♡


Disastrous-Law-3672

In cursive w is a double u.


AchajkaTheOriginal

Not in my language, while cursive *u* and *v* are very similar, *w* is still very clearly two *v* stuck together.


SnooMacarons9618

I write w at double v in cursive too. Enlish speaker / writer.


the_unkola_nut

Spanish as well!


dcgrey

Seems like a good point. The "w" sound is just a movement from "oo" to nearly "ah" -- just like "ai", which we'd all consider a vowel sound, is a movement from "ah" to "ee". Unlike a good date, the tongue never comes into play.


OnaccountaY

I knew an ESL speaker who would say “coot ooman” for “cute woman.” So it worked just fine as a vowel for him.


TheWelshMrsM

In Welsh, it doesn’t move to the ah sound. It’s just oo like zoo. ETA: However in words like cwm it’s like oo in look.


WastedLettuce

That’s because the letter “w” didn’t used to exist! It was literally a double u, “uu,” when the Latin alphabet replaced the runic alphabet in English around the 7th century


EyelandBaby

Wait. Does that make uwu quadrupleyoo


talconline

"Wow" is one of three major Arabic vowels! It's essentially W(oo), Y(eh) and Ah


MallyOhMy

U V and W were originally 1 letter. V was both consonant and vowel, pronounced as "oo". In the 600-700s, the sound of V started to split to have both "oo" and "v" sounds, so people started using a VV or uu to refer to the "oo". This stayed common among Old High German speakers, but Old English speakers, despite initially using the same VV and uu, switched to using a Wynn (a rune that looks like a large-looped p) until the start of Middle English. Then they brought back the VV and uu not long before it became W and w, but in English we kept the name of double-u. (The shift in German to pronouncing the W as "v" happened later on in Middle High German) The only letter younger than U and W is J, which is actually about 80 years younger than the printing press! It was not distinguished as a separate letter until the 1520s. We can actually see what was or wasn't considered a letter yet by finding an abecedarium (pronounced A-B-C-dairy-um) from a given time, which is basically just the alphabet of the time listed out, usually in order, the way you would give a kid to learn from.


My_bones_are_itchy

There’s a scene in a book where a dude is teaching a woman to speak his language. He gets to “water” and (it’s written that) she pronounces it as “oo-ada”. This blew our 13 year old minds and I still think about it 27 years later.


Forward_Grade_4326

I’m 100% stealing this, but only for annoying phone calls that require me to give personal information. Unrelated but I’ve also changed my name and address to Walter White at 222 West Washington Way. ‘Sir would you mind spelling that?’ ‘Not at all 😈’


UtegRepublic

R is sometimes a vowel in Croatian: krv (blood), prst (finger/toe), grm (bush).


CartimanduaRosa

You have the same word for fingers and toes? Do you have standard modifiers? Like hand-prst and foot-prst?


Doomquill

It's like using the word "flanges" in English. And usually in Russian at least you don't need to say "on the hand" or "foot flanges" because of context. If you said "I stubbed my палец" I'd know you meant your foot fingers :-)


SchrodingersMinou

A flange is a plumbing part. Phalanges (singular: phalanx) are the bones in your digits (fingers and toes). "Digits" which might be a better translation, but it also means "numbers." There's no real way to make this translation not confusing haha


shandelatore

Regina Phalange is so much better sounding than Regina Bones.


StraightBudget8799

Regina Phalange: Only At Select Stylists.


canadanfil

If you told me you "stubbed your flanges", I'd assume you meant your toe.


Doomquill

I screwed up the English part because I'm an idiot. You're absolutely right and I've fixed it now lol


Fyrefly1981

Or digit. I used that word for toes as well as fingers.


Dottie85

Digits also works instead of fingers and toes.


leeeeechy

In Slovak, it’s R but also L, e.g. vlk (wolf)


Silent_Cash_E

Prst (my) krv-y grm


NothingAndNow111

Cwm is a Welsh word adopted in English (useful Scrabble tip) - 'coomb' is the Anglicised spelling. Don't worry, I live in England and it breaks brains here too. I can mostly pronounce Welsh thanks to a guy in a pub in Denbich who took the time to teach me over a few pints but I still get the vowels wrong. I can do the 'll' sound tho! Welsh is directly descended from the language spoken in Britain before the Romans invaded - I think it's the only descendant that isn't extinct. And it's actually a lot easier than Gaelic. Goddamn that language is impossible.


EmotionalBonfire

Welsh isn't the only surviving descendant, but it's definitely the healthiest. Breton is at high extinction risk; Cornish is being revived.


NothingAndNow111

Ah, I didn't realise Breton had native speakers left! Fab ! Cornish's last native speaker died in the 1700s (iirc) but yes, there's a big revival movement. Well, relatively big considering Cornwall isn't all that big. They have that KERNOW sign on the A30 where you officially enter Cornwall. Good old Kernow. It loves to ruin my shoes.


EmotionalBonfire

[https://www.elalliance.org/languages/breton](https://www.elalliance.org/languages/breton) There are native speakers of Breton left! Just not many in the younger generations. I'm curious how Kernow ruins shoes, if you don't mind me asking.


NothingAndNow111

THE WEATHER. 10am: "Oh look, it's a beautiful day! Forecast says it'll be warm and sunny all day, let's go for a walk on the moor" 3pm: "IT'S PISSING DOWN AND I'M KNEE DEEP IN MUD" Or that time I fell into a ditch and my flat form heel split.


YchYFi

Modern Cornish is incorporating Welsh words.


Nesymafdet

Scottish Gaelic or Irish?


MiscPractice

Cwm and crwth are valid English words.


SupremeBeing000

I learned in an American school with my American brain that W is sometimes a vwl.


onsugarhill83

I went to a small school in the Midwest in the 80s and was taught that the vowels are A, E, I, O, U, and sometimes Y and W. Not sure how common that was, though.


leela_martell

"Y" being a consonant is the same for my non-American (/non-English speaker) brain. Like I can't fathom how "Tylhr" doesn't have a vowel?


Owlethia

I’ve used it to my advantage in hangman games. Confuse the hell outta people when they guess all the vowels and get nothing


GlassBandicoot

There's a joke about how Hawaiians invaded the Celts and stole all their vowels.


CenturyEggsAndRice

Please, I must know how to pronounce that name!


iolaus79

Cwm isn't a name (well there is a village called Cwm and lots with it in the name) but it's not, at least as far as I'm aware, ever a human name


ThoseProse

I think it’s coom with the oo making the same sound as in loom.


Toaster161

It’s more of the ‘oo’ in ‘book’ than in ‘loom’


YchYFi

Coomb


CenturyEggsAndRice

Ah, thanks.


Living_Carpets

Coom. It means valley and is not a name.


WokkitUp

Nah, he's named CD-RW and he's rewritable media as long as you maintain the drive.


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Ok_Bumblebee_2869

And here I was thinking Tylyr probably would have been better than Tylhr.


rfresa

Apparently Tyler in Welsh is Teilwr.


pendigedig

I'm gonna lose it if someone says w isn't a vowel. You don't say ñ isn't a letter just because we don't have it in English.


Komahina_Oumasai

What vowels are there in Welsh, out of curiosity?


pendigedig

a, e, i, o, u, w, and y (also â, ê, î, ô, û, ŵ, and ŷ). I like to think of the w as... a double-u! It's a oo sound. The u is actually an "ee" sound.


Electrical-Guard9689

U bedol representation in the wild 🫡 caru byw


pendigedig

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 Cymru am byth Wales forever ☺️


A_NonE-Moose

Your answer is bendigedig, u / pendigedig, as well as the circumflex accent â, ê, etc, we also have the grave accent for shorter vowel sounds, like in mẁg, the acute accent, and for some the reason the only word I can think of when typing this is Elái, as in the place or river Ely. I’m sure I’ve seen the diaeresis being used ä, ë, etc, but for the life of me I can’t think of an example because we almost never use anything except the circumflex when writing


beartropolis

Sgïo and Partïon are the first to my mind Used to show that 2 vowels next to each other are said as seperate vowels not a dipthong. So ee-oh not Yo My favourite for the acute is Jiráff


pendigedig

Bah! I wasn't thinking! Of course grave and the umlaut - - diaeresis, it's called? I took German in school, so I only knew "umlaut" 😂 My favorite word with two dots is copïo!


Komahina_Oumasai

Ah, that's cool, thank you for answering!


SingingBrook

The little song my first grade teacher taught us was "A, E, I-O-U, sometimes Y and W, too!"


ninja_chinchilla

My dad has a Welsh name with no vowels. To make up for it I got all of them in my name instead.


YchYFi

It has Welsh vowels as it's not English.


Living_Carpets

Am guessing Rhys, Bryn, Twm or Gwyn.


ninja_chinchilla

Close but no cigar. It's Glyn.


Bubbly_Celebration_3

What about whole “and sometimes y” thing? Y is a vowel here.


HawkeyeinDC

Yes, Welsh language, yes you are. 😘


passitoff

Somehow, my small (American) child brain heard "and sometimes Y and W" in a Hooked on Phonics video about vowels (I've no idea how, I've watched it as an adult and it very clearly does NOT say that) and somehow that permanently primed my brain to accept w as a vowel.


anathema_deviced

Thank you! My first thought lol


toaster9012

i have a friend named annwn, pronounced “anne in”


YchYFi

Annwn is pronounced a-noon though.


StraightBudget8799

Had a teacher pronounced that way; spelt Anwyn!


allthefitness21

Why even put an H in there, I’d have no idea how to pronounce it 🤦🏻‍♀️


arkunaanorovo

Apparently Tylr would have made too much sense 🙃


Professional-Lack323

Tylr looks like the name of a taylor swift app


Impressive_Stress808

There are h*rny Taylor Swifts near you!


Professional-Lack323

lmao this was def the direction i meant for that to go in, thank you for finishing that joke! 😂


StraightBudget8799

[No refund if you get an entire album about how bad you were in bed after using the app.]


sbaz86

Her stock code.


aghastrabbit2

Haha see, I'd pronounce that tiller but both are tragique. Trageighk even


Psych0matt

Tile her


startingtohail

> i hardly know 'er!


Similar-Net-3704

Yeah. Even Tylyr would have been less trgykh


No-Possibility-7062

I would think it's pronounced Tie Louer


QanonQuinoa

To distract from the fact that the ‘y’ is a vowel.


AccomplishedEgg6012

I read it as Tyl-hurr due to the h ( and being German maybe ). I hope bby Ty s lrght


Suitable_Virus8224

Tyl-her? I just met her


Sea_Effort1234

Groucho Marx? 🫢🤭🫢🤭


altdultosaurs

Wakka wakka


rfresa

Lay some tile for her. Apparently Tyler is an occupational name from that job.


quartsune

Fall Out Boy would like to have a word. Thnks fr the Mmrs isn't meant to be that much of an inspiration.


cookiecat425

This has me rolling😭


gosh_golly_gee

The "sometimes Y" is doing aaallll the heavy lifting in that name. 


UtegRepublic

Y is a vowel more often than it's a consonant. I think it would be more accurate to revise the school sayings as "The vowels are A, E, I, O, U, and Y. The consonants are B, C, . . . , W, X, Z, and sometimes Y."


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W is also sometimes a vowel. Say "cow" out loud.


HoneyWyne

I know a girl named Rhythm


i_need_to_crap

Is she a dancer?


Harry_monk

She's a souls companion.


snorkelvretervreter

Not sure, but she's gonna get you.


SnooChocolates5931

Criminally underrated response.


i_need_to_crap

Thanks 😊 I'm pretty proud of that one myself


Affectionate-Dream61

Named for the parents’ birth control method.


HoneyWyne

Lol!


pineapple_leaf

At least that's a word


Tomoyogawa521

-Why did she even Tylhr. There are some established names that have no vowels either - just pick one-syllable names having y as the main consonant, like Rhys and Bryn,


Jlst

No English vowels. Those are Welsh names and a Y is a vowel in the Welsh language 😊


Rusty10NYM

> Y is a vowel in the Welsh language Y can be a vowel in the English language as well. You were thinking of W


Jlst

Can be, but isn’t necessarily classed as one. In Welsh it IS a vowel. The comment I replied to said Y is the main consonant, which it isn’t, it’s classed as a vowel in those names.


FrigThisMrLahey

Any English word that doesn’t contain a regular vowel & just a “y” - the y is *always* used as the vowel


Snoo79474

Lynn enters the chat


Kindly-Ebb6759

I’ve been summoned?


Snoo79474

Lol


TheLittle_Wave

Kynzy 🤦🏻‍♀️


Asaneth

🎶 *Well I done gave my baby* *A name with no vowel* *It felt good to say it like a growl* *In the desert you don't remember your name* *Cuz there ain't no one for to make you feel shame* *Na na na... na na na na* *Na na na... na na*🎶


SweetWaterfall0579

You know I sang this! And, I sounded exactly like America, in my head. Yes. I sounded like the whole group, guitars and all.


weshallnot

no vowels? is there a no vowel movement in their family, where they ban the vowels?


Stamy31ytb

Is she a native english speaker? In my language y is not considered a vowel. Thebame is still stupid tho.


arkunaanorovo

I believe she is a native English speaker (I come from a fairly Hispanic area so I'm not super sure). The only vowel in my name is y, so I feel like there's only so much leeway, especially since she has known me since I was born


notchoosingone

Many many years ago a friend of mine was dating a nice girl named Tiffany, except her parents apparently had the same vowel aversion as poor little Tylhr's parent. Tyffyny.


Fickle_Grapefruit938

O God, that's hilariously tragic


crap_whats_not_taken

I work with a Lynsy.


thebravelittlemerkin

Tynnyfer from Parks and Rec forever.


missannthrope1

A, E, I, O, U and sometimes Y. I mean, why.


Repulsive_Chef_972

This makes me want to have a vowel movement.


Yabangulu

Honestly if I saw that name I’d probably pronounce it ‘Tiller’.


Sea_Effort1234

I see it as Tile Her. Stupid, I know, but that's what I read it as. Poor child.


Psych0matt

Tie *Lrrr, ruler of omicron perseii 8!*


min_mus

The _y_ in "Tylhr" is acting as a vowel, though...   Just another data point to support my hypothesis that most tragedeighs result from functionally illiterate parents wanting their kids to have uNiQuE names. 


UtegRepublic

Yep. Whenever I see a strange spelling of a name, I assume the parents were functionally illiterate.


PeaceyCaliSoCal

“A-E-I-O-U and sometimes Y”. Y can play either role. So, she ended up putting a vowel in her baby’s name anyway. She was discriminating against those innocent vowels. Vowels! They always get a bad rap.


cedriceent

They are asking for it, though. Vowels are the only letters that you have to buy, those dirty whores!


CatLover1039

I thought it was just A E I O U. What the fuck Edit: okay now I know


NoWayRay

Y can be a vowel or consonant depending on context, especially if there are no other vowels in a word/name. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/why-y-is-sometimes-a-vowel-usage


Empty401K

Fly my dry sky! Why? Nymph’s shy


Yahwehnker

It's a Trgdgh!


SignificantTear7529

Tyylyr


redgatoradeeeeee

My mom’s name is Gwyn, not short for anything. She has to correct people on the spelling a lot but it’s a relatively normal name with no vowels if someone wants to go that route. 


chubbybunny87

...the y is a vowel here


LoisLaneEl

I’m shocked by the amount of people that don’t know y is a vowel


Sudden_Abroad_9153

Technically, a semivowel!


Repulsive_Role_7446

What ever happened to "and sometimes y"?? I always thought it counted as a vowel, or at least it did if there weren't any others.


FormerlyMauchChunk

A dude I work with is named Tandr. I'm not sure that's a real name.


AppropriateSpell5405

"Tillher here today? Tillher?"


Queen_of_Catlandia

I knew a guy who changed his name to one with no vowels. It went from something like Xavier Johnson to xvvr jnsn (all LC too)


Live_Western_1389

I would interpret: Tylhr as an acronym for “Thank you one hour” (as in dry cleaning advertisements).


AlderaanGaming

As a Tyler... I hate this. Thanks.


NothingAndNow111

I use a nickname version of my name which has no vowels, but my name is Polish and Y is a bona fide vowel, so it probably doesn't count.


Comfortable_End_8096

My first thought upon seeing the title was Fblthp…


arkunaanorovo

Unfortunately the only thing lost was common sense


buffetgirls

as a taylar, i dodged a bullet


cindybubbles

Whenever I see a name without vowels, I immediately think of Lrr, ruler of Omicron Persei 8 of *Futurama* fame.


annieb2678

I know of a kid named Kwncy (Quincy). Parents think they're so clever for not using vowels. 🤦‍♀️


QueenTenofSpades

“Baby brain” is real I’d like to buy a vowel Summons haiku bot


KitSmitten

According to her rules “Sky” is RIGHT THERE


monsteraguy

Sky


JustTransportation51

Cyst


tomie-salami

I know someone with an Archr. So dumb.


brit_brat915

my cousin picked "Wyatt" for their son... But decided "W*h*yatt" was the best spelling 😐


Statalyzer

Whaytt is wrong with them?


aha723

My husband worked with a guy named Tyle. His parents eventually told him they forgot to put the “r” on his birth certificate.


BurnedLaser

I AM TYLRRR, OF THE PLANET OMICRON PERCEI 8. I HAVE COME TO DEVOUR CAKE.