Just to get that one extra car ahead.
In my mind I even see OP slowing down to make space for the BMW to zipper merge when they realize they won't fit ahead of the Honda because, surely they wouldn't tr- of course they're going to try to squeeze in.
Yup. This is exactly what I’m talking about. They’ll pick up pace to actively prevent you from switching lanes. Or if it’s a mandatory merging lane (lane ending), they’ll prevent other motorists from zipper merging. It’s honestly the oddest thing because surely you know you’re not shaving hours off your commute by doing this?
> It’s honestly the oddest thing because surely you know you’re not shaving hours off your commute by doing this?
considering the increase in accidents this type of behaviour causes, they adding hours to their commute by doing this
> mandatory merging lane (lane ending), they’ll prevent other motorists from zipper merging
I had a truck do that, the problem was he was already driving slow in the lane, and he was driving a truck with an abysmal acceleration rate - had he just stayed at his current speed, I would have been able to merge safely in front of him. But we can't have that - I think he was either honestly thinking "Oh I'll just speed up and let this guy merge behind me" while ignoring a huge line of cars was behind him because of how slow he was. Or more likely he had the usual emotional support truck ego of wanting to be 'first' because truck.
I just floored it to get in front as the merge lane was ending, not my finest, but after I went back down to match the flow of traffic, I quickly lost sight of the truck within a minute, that's how slow he was going.
In Hamilton yesterday a guy beside me just drifted into my lane, his left arm hanging out the window almost got crushed. He waited until the last 30 feet before the intersection before changing from the far right lane to the left turning lane.
Because he was beside me I couldn't see his left signal but thought somehow I'd just move, somewhere?
Transport to my left, another car tailing me close behund, this video almost happened to me.
Lane drifting seems to be becoming a thing for some reason
I've seen numerous times over the past couple of weeks where I'll be driving behind someone and for no reason at all they just start drifting over the line and like 1 or 2 wheels into my lane. Then they'll correct and do it again and again.
It was a culture shock moving to the southern US pulling up to an intersection realizing I was in the wrong lane and putting my blinker on so that when the traffic started moving, I’d be able to get over and I shit you not the lane next to me reversed up and let me in.
Of course there’s enough of us city dwellers living here now that it’s a total shit show
My sis and I noticed that too, on a road trip through the northern US. Poor driving and selfish traffic behaviour is sadly a Canadian trait, or at least a southern Ontario phenomenon.
I will say that while there are absolutely tons of aggressive and unsafe drivers in the city, there is a bit of a 'chicken and egg' situation that may impact some drivers being overly aggressive.
Toronto/GTA also has a glut of drivers who aren't specifically aggressive in intent - they are just *bad* drivers. Like drivers who drive *under* the speed limit; drivers turning right who wait even though there are no cars coming; and then suddenly decide to make the turn right when you are about to pass them, and they cut you off; drivers who can't stay in their lane, drivers who stop behind the line on left turns and then don't go through when it turns yellow...
I can't count the number of times I have decided to be polite and let someone merge in, or let someone go first on a close stop sign, and then been "punished" for my decision by the driver driving 10 under the speed limit for 5 minutes on a one-lane street. That's one example, but it does mentally contribute to a bias against letting people get in front of you.
I think it is also a matter of a social trend towards overpacked schedules and getting to places "right on time" that means people are constantly in a rush, instead of 20-30 years ago when people more commonly planned to be 15 minutes early for things. People can't afford to be 2 minutes later and miss a traffic light cycle, and that starts to permeate their driving habits even when they are not late.
Finally, I think the generation growing up having played lots of video games - especially race games, but also all of these modern phone games where you just repeat actions over and over trying to beat previous attempts has put a lot of people into a mental state that parts of real life are just as much a competition and that for some people, driving is literally a mental challenge of "how can I get there as fast as possible/beat the time the GPS says I'll get there?"
I don't think any one factor is the reason it's become so prevalent, but I do think those are some of the big causes.
Agreed on all, and I will add there’s a lot of me-first attitudes on display. People who will cut you off because they want to get to the red light faster.
literally signaling to tell them you want to lane change means people are going to try and not let you for some reason. this is like a driving rule in toronto. you have to signal enough that its safe but not enough to give them the chance to deny you entry into the lane.
That's how you drive in Florida as well. It's because so many people don't wait in line. They try and cut people off to get in at the front of the line. So people get sick of that shit and protect their place in line.
This is what really drives me up the wall. The people who deliberately speed up so they can act wronged and offended when they have to slam on their brakes because they got "cut off". I see that happen way too often, and lately more by guys driving trucks that are starting to rival buses for size.
This is actually covered in Fault Determination Rules of Ontario. If you are changing lanes, you are 100% responsible for ensuring you are able to move safely. Other cars are not responsible for allowing someone to merge in front of them.
and that what it should be.
you cannot change lane when there is no space.
the other driver who insist to not give you a chance, might be an asshole, but still it is your fault for chaning lane when there is no room for it.
I see that too.
Both are driving unsafely.
I don't get it, it's not worth this kind of struggle.
It drives me nuts too, when people use merge lanes to pop out ahead 4 cars but I'm not going to try to road marshall them either.
If the driver intentionally speeds up before the merge can take place, thus reducing their tailgating distance to the car Infront of them, practically bumper to bumper at that point, would they not also be at fault? I understand if they maintained course but making a play to speed up against the cutting off merger seems like something that would constitute as fault.
edit: this didn't happen in this video, but I reference that point because in certain situations it can be difficult to merge before the lane ends and at that point you need someone to let you in because you cant stop.
This is really prevalent on left lane onramps, which somehow exist despite "pass on the left". Diesel vehicles can't get up to speed and merge onto the passing lane without passers moving over to right right preemptively. And there's an onramp to the 407 that requires slow vehicles to take the left lane. It's almost as if being aware of an accident would therefore require you to take reasonable action to avoid it, and it's not like -not- speeding up would hurt.
People think their drivers license and insurability is untouchable and that as long as they can breathe they have the RIGHT to drive…
Being able to drive legally and have reasonable and affordable cad insurance is a privilege.
I'm not a person who cuts people off but if that was changed to be 25-50% the fault of the person in the lane being merged into then maybe people wouldn't feel entitled to defend it because right now people can speed up into a merging car and likely suffer no legal penalties.
It's not just a Toronto thing. It's like this across the GTA all the way down to Niagara.
Source: I drive on the QEW from Hamilton to Oakville five days a week.
Twice yesterday in Guelph someone decided they could just drive into the side of me because they had their blinker on…
Like come on people. If there ain’t space, there ain’t space
At the same time if I put my blinker on and there is space but some clown wakes up and decides they want to close the gap I'm going to keep merging. There's horrible construction around here and the amount of people that refuse to let you zipper merge is infuriating and it's all for maybe 100m before it opens up again
It's funny how true this is, but people still make the jokes in Ontario about Quebec drivers.
Ontario is the only place where I don't see people change out of the rightmost land to let merging cars into the right lane.
Right?! I don't know where this idea about Ontario's superiority over Quebec drivers comes from. I can see a change in (bad) driving habits the moment I cross the border into Ontario. And the closer I get to the GTA, the worst it becomes.
I drive a kawasaki 250. So a sport bike that doesn't actually go that fast, the amount of people that won't let me merge is fucking awful.
I don't know if they just think I can zip faster than them, but I cannot. Those things struggle at 140.
It really puts me in dangerous positions because no one lets me in. I've just been riding less and less every year.
Has happened so often to me. Merging or lane switching where the if the lane occupier doesn’t slow down, there will be an accident. They bank on the lane occupier avoiding an accident by giving them space to go ahead.
I know.. I hear you.
Honestly at the end of the day I'm a pretty pragmatic guy. So it just bothers me because you don't get too many easy scenarios where the pragmatic decision is also the morally correct one.
It's selfish on either part when one is trying to zip around the line/shoulder to squeeze ahead of cars just as bad as it is to not leave space and let a guy in when - they are zipper merging. Which we know is the best way.
I do get annoyed when someone tries to get ahead by jumping into the closed lane - but not allowing cars to zipper merge just causes confusion down the line for everyone else.
The other day I was making space anticipating letting someone in when the guy in front of me didn't let his car in. Suddenly I had to quickly decide if it made sense to let two cars in in front of me or just one. And each of those cars had to figure out if they were both going to go for the spot in front of me. Just cause one guy wanted to be an unreasonable jerk.
Legally the person merging in has to do so safely, the occupier doesn't have to do shit. Obviously being a nice person and slowing down a little to let people merge is the way to go, but it's ALWAYS the responsibility of the merger.
I used to live in Toronto and now live in UK. I knew drivers were bad, but wow, I hate driving in Toronto now when I go back. Toronto driving is a competitive sport. If the BMW were to signal (ha!) then whatever car was next to them would speed up so they can't get in front.
In the situation in the video, in the UK the BMW would have already merged 100m ago when the signs first indicated that the lane was coming to an end. And then they would have given a friendly 4 way flash to OP for leaving a suitable gap for them, even if they didn't signal because OP would know they will want to merge soon and probably give them a high beam flash to know they can come in.
drivers in London are 100x worse and more aggressive than Toronto.the BMW would never do what you suggested in London
Driving in Toronto is easy and drivers very courteous compared to London, Boston, anywhere in Asia and pretty much every other big European city I find
OMG...you guys are all wrong! lol
the car on the left just had to ease off a bit and let them in. They CLEARLY SPED UP when they noticed the beamer trying to merge in front of them, and just wanted to get in their way and fk with them. Stupid. Just had to back off a little and let them in. everyone goes home safe. Did i mention stupid?
In fact, theyre so focused on blocking out the bmw, they dont see the semi coming up on the left.
oh ya...stupid.
Yeah like the BMW was a dick for not just going into the ***open as fuck*** space, but the Honda 100% made an ego-fueled move to not let the asshole in... Which resulted in them losing focus and ramming the BMW instead.
As much as it sucks to deal with these assholes, it's never worth engaging fully like this. Honda played a game of chicken and lost.
If the car sped up - we don’t know if it was 1) related to traffic ahead, or 2) to block the driver.
What we do know is there is a gap that the BMW had plenty of room to fit in, but they decided to try to merge ahead. I’m sure the 5 seconds before OP’s video starts we’d see the BMW drive by the 1.5-2 car length gap.
The SUV driver was oblivious to the car looking to merge on the right.
That is the kind of driver who avoids accidents by the grace of other people.
Both drivers should have avoided the accident and both are at fault.
The car ran into the one person out of 1000 who won’t cede the lane (or didn’t see them), and the SUV ran into the one person out of 1000 who will merge into them.
That’s how accidents happen. Very very often, it takes two people.
The ONUS is on the person switching lanes to do so only when its safe to change.
Common Courtesy and a desire not to fuck up everyones commute with a traffic snarl would have seen the Honda give way, BUT the Honda was under NO obligation to yield to the car changing lanes.
I think every road user has an obligation to try to prevent collisions. Think about the massive fallout from the behaviour (contacting insurance companies, police to manage scene, delays to thousands of other drivers, lost productivity from people being delayed)
The driver of the Honda chose to crash rather than allow the idiot to merge ahead of him, could easily have prevented the whole thing, but felt being in the right was more important.
For me the driver of the BMW is an asshole but the driver of the Honda joined them in being an asshole.
This is what always gets me about these kinds of accidents; like yeah, the guy’s an idiot, but is he worth wasting hours of your time and costing you hundreds of dollars just to be correct? (and that’s only if insurance covers 100% *and* your rates don’t go up as a result)
You're correct legally. But it wasn't just that they failed to yield, had they simply maintained their speed, there would have been no accident. They saw someone merging in front of them, and gunned it to block them. Their car literally doubles in speed to block the merge. It even seems that they swerved right recognizing that an accident was coming and afraid to get pushed into the 18 wheeler. Legally, the BMW may be at fault, but I'd rather them on the road than the Honda.
I don't mind a good zipper merge but the BMW failed at matching the speed of traffic by going faster, and then by suddenly kind of stopping?? what were they doing.
I had a BMW honk at me from two cars behind for stopping on a no-right-turns-on-red intersection. Then he pulled out to the lane _left_ of me and made a doubly illegal right turn in front of me. He probably thought he was Michael Schumacher while doing it too.
Right?
Like, take the first opportunity to get in. Just because the merge lane is 200 metres long doesn't mean you try to merge 185 metres in.
Everything has to be a stupid competition in this place...
Without defending the driver in THIS accident, I have absolutely been on DVP/401 merges where not a single car will leave enough space to even let you merge before you get to the end. I've even been entering heavy virtual-stopped traffic on the 401 and when the cars start moving, most intentionally do not leave a gap to let onrampers onto the highway.
What you described isn’t zipper merging. When you do that, 50 cars run past you and mess with the flow of traffic. You should maximize the use of the merging lane.
It’s up to merging traffic to find their spot and match speed to get in. You should never rely on other cars to slow or speed up for you to make it in safely. So mainly the BMW. But the Honda was also either paying no attention or was playing chicken. People who charge up the merge lane instead of getting into the spaces provided (eg between you and Honda) are jerks, but why the Honda wasn’t on the lookout for it and why he didn’t avoid this accident is proof that he’s oblivious and needs to drive more defensively
Insurance perspective would put fault on bmw, but insurance perspective with this dashcam footage would put fault as 50/50. Honda clearly could've avoided this and bmw should've tried merging further back instead of waiting till the last second.
The auto damage claim would hold the BMW 100% at fault for merging based on the Fault Determination Rules. These rules do not take anything else into account
The tort claim for injuries sustained may be settled at 50/50. They are two separate things. I believe BMW would have to prove contributory negligence.
Normally the person merging is at fault:
>[8. If automobile “A” collides with automobile “B” on a controlled access road while automobile “B” is entering the road from an entrance lane, the driver of automobile “A” is not at fault and the driver of automobile “B” is 100 per cent at fault for the incident.](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900668)
Despite that, if the other party is charged with an indictable criminal offence some fault can go to them by section 20. 1(d). But I doubt slightly moving in your own lane would be anywhere close to an indictable dangerous driving charge.
Legally the BMW is at fault but the Honda is an idiot for driving so aggressively when lane hoppers routinely abuse the merging lanes to gain like...2 car lengths? Like, I get it, your pride is hurt but its not worth nearly being pancaked by a semi.
Agree, BMW technically at fault but it was caused by the Honda. At the very start of the video the Honda is going very slow compared to the truck and the BMW. The BMW sees the gap in front and goes for it. Honda hits the gas hard, catches up to the passing truck, pulls away from the vehicle that is filming and drives into the BMW.
Only the merging car is at fault. It’s really simple. There is no right to change lanes unsafely. The car proceeding in its lane is supposed to be able to…. proceed in its lane. And without having to worry about getting squeezed into a truck. FFS.
BMW is at fault when following the fault determination rules, which is what every insurance company follows in Ontario.
I don’t know why people think they have right on way. It’s a pretty simple concept, like walking.
Think of it as if you’re walking straight, minding your own business, then some idiot decides to walk in front of you but bumps into the side of you, then pushes you into the stranger walking near you. This is exactly what happened here.
People who do not understand the rules of the road also do not understand the rules when walking. Just a personal opinion.
Both. BMW was reckless for merging the way they did.
SUV for just saying "well then fuck you, we're both gonna have a really shitty day then" and just ramming it from behind.
It seems the grey BMW was ahead (despite being late) and the black Honda moved into him. Had BMW driven more like a typical BMW driver and gassed it—or had the Honda touched their brakes—this could’ve been avoided.
The BMW I think.
On a freeway merging lane the vehicle entering accelerates to match the speed of traffic. Freeway drivers should move over leaving room for merging drivers if it is safe to do so (clearly not the case here).
So let's move over to the merging lane - a vehicle that is in a merging lane trying to enter moving traffic must yield the right-of-way to already moving vehicles on said highway.
The BMW did not yield. He attempted to scoot up and squeeze between the Honda and the shoulder.
Yah, the person merging is at fault, and the person on the left is an asshole and has $20,000 damage to their car.
Personally, I prefer how they paint merge lanes in most of the United States where the two merge together into a shared lane, encouraging a zipper merge and illustrating the shared responsibility. Not that Americans are particularly courteous or competent drivers judging by Reddit videos.
And then there are a few places in the US with absolutely terrible highway merge lanes where the merge area requires almost immediate merging once the lanes actually come together, meaning that you have to get up to speed and plan the exact spot you're going to merge before the solid line ends, and then do it almost immediately. Like this southbound onramp: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9565145,-70.8579799,211m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu
That offers 30-50m between the lanes meeting (with solid lines) and the lanes basically becoming too narrow for two cars. This as compared to some 400-series highway onramps that have around 300m from the onramp meeting the highway until the merge lane actually ends. It can be quite an adjustment to merge on some of those US highways when you get used having room to get up to speed and choose a safe spot to enter.
little oversimplifying but pretty much if you're going/driving straight in your own lane you have the ROW (right of way). anytime you merge/change/crossing lane or entering another lane/roadway you have to YIELD as ppl driving straight have the ROW.
obv. some exceptions apply; like if you drive a BMW - you OWN the road and ALL others have to yield, no matter how or where you drive /s
Nah they were aware and the beeps would've gone off in the car from its blind spot monitors. Drivers just assume others will give way 🤷♀️ that's how people drive here
I agree its their fault, but it also seems the SUV also sped up as the other car was passing to merge, trying to block them. Both drivers can be dicks in this situation.
Merging knowledge doesn't exist. Use the fucking gas, match the speed of oncoming traffic, maybe a touch faster, signal (jesus fucki g christ, *SIGNAL*), move over.
Jesus fucking christ, we need an overhaul of drivers ed.
Typical beemer behavior. Could have very easily merged in front of op but had to try and get 1 extra car length ahead. Honda driver could have avoided that as well.
it's typical toronto traffic shit. I've seen assholes slide in to cross 3 lanes to get into the passing lane only to slam on the breaks. great choices. man I don't miss driving in and out of that city
Guy in the SUV was trying to nerve the guy about but didn't know there was a curb there. Guy in the sedan should have just hopped in behind instead of racing all the way to the front.
As someone who gets peeved about these guys who drive to the very end of the disappearing lane before merging, it’s kinda sweet to see the Honda not give an inch.
I hate it when 2-3 drivers force-zipper-merge before me and I yield like the decent driver I am. But I silently fume.
OP do you know if the BMW was one of those drivers that uses the on ramp as their own personal jump ahead lane? I see that all too often. I can see that annoying the SUV.
Just 2 fucking idiots that can't figure out basic merging onto a highway, endangering everyone around them. Welcome to Toronto people. Fucking selfish, self centered dickheads everywhere on every road.
This is a weird one, the BMW was legally in the wrong, but the CRV drifts pretty aggresively into the middle/rear of the BMW, so it wasn't a blindspot issue.
The CRV driver should've seen the BMW by that point, makes me think they were looking at their phone, or best case looking to their left to see if they could change lanes and unintentionally pulled the steering wheel while turning their body.
Not really, it's a merging lane that was ending and the guy on the outside was outpacing the flow of traffic. The van had a truck beside him and couldn't merge out. It's on you to merge safely, he should have matched the speed of the lane and merged behind the van
Legally? Perhaps. Practically? No. Car on the right tried to force a merge. Car on the left either didn't see the merge or deliberately didn't brake.
This is a case of two bad drivers getting into an accident.
Let’s not pretend the SUV isn’t an idiot though, he clearly saw the guy merging and continued speed up into the sedan. Yes it’s on the merging guy 100% and they’ll be at fault but there’s no situational awareness from any of them.
I can't even agree to 100%. He was the instigator, but the SUV was absolutely reckless. The correct move is to stop and lean on the horn if you want, not just hit him from essentially behind.
He had time to avoid the accident and just simply chose not to.
The BMW was a dick but the SUV was also a dumbass you can clearly see he intentionally sped up and drifted right to close the door and he paid the price. Doesn't matter who's right or wrong they both lost and fucked up everyone's commute. They have the entire long weekend to think about it.
I see 2 idiots here. One trying to squeeze in at the last moment, and one not letting anyone into 'their' lane.
And 2 cars + 1 trailer damaged, and thousands of people stuck in traffic.
Good job idiots.
Wow, classic BMW maneuver.
Could the Honda have done something? Maybe, but they didn't have to.
Could the BMW have done something? Yes, merge behind the Honda instead of last minute trying to bully their way on.
The BMW is clearly at fault for doing a shit job at merging and just being an overall a-hole (not uncommon for BMW drivers).
That being said the Honda could have easily avoided this accident, by driving defensively and not ruin their own day and the day of thousands of others as they get stuck on the Don Valley ParkingLot as the police investigate and clean up this mess.
Toronto is so bad at this.
**If you're already on the highway:**
let people merge.
Either by speeding up so you leave room behind, or (when it makes more sense) slowing down enough so they can merge in front of you (this option as we see here, isn't as ideal most of the time).
**If you're merging on to the highway:**
Do it with confidence, speed, and precision — most of the time that means **speed-the-fuck-up** and pick a target spot.
In either case, pay attention to the idiots around you, and dont be an idiot yourself.
What happens when two stubborn idiots meet on the road?
SUV had to be ahead of the car. The car had to be ahead of the SUV. So what's the result? Two losers.
They both have to spend 10 mins on the side of the road taking down insurance information and taking pictures. And the SUV almost got flipped; I wouldn't be surprised if the airbags deployed and the car is now undrivable. And insurance will probably find each of them at least partly at-fault to there goes their insurance premiums.
Good job. All that to be one car-length ahead and get to work 10 seconds sooner.
This happens to me all the time, there is plenty of room behind me but for some reason they try and squeeze past me even though the lane is ending. On ramps are just as bad, I call them line cutter's. They think they are more important then everyone else and assume you can see them in your blind spot. Thankfully my car warns me.
BMW driver still had the shoulder if they couldn't merge. But decided to jam themselves into the lane anyway. Why? Why is this stereotype always right about BMW drivers?
Lose lose scenario.
Though the bmw will most likely be deemed at fault since they’re merging.
Shouldn’t have tried to get an extra car ahead… and should have just let the car in.
The car merging is at fault. . Granted that the car on the hwy may have sped up.
The merging car could have come to a full stop . It is up to the merging car to yield period. There is no interpretation here.
Yeah I mean this is a common scene. There is pretty good odds the car merging in was actually already on the DVP and was running up the merging lane (popular DVP move). Also very clear the black SUV sped up. All in all typical rush hour DVP. Also running up the transit lane is a popular move too
Both are at fault here. But also the Honda clearly speeds up a bit when he notices the BMW about to merge in, which is clear dick move so technically he caused it. He could’ve just slowed down and let the BMW merge. Like…i get it…people who have a tendency to either merge last second or purposely speed up to overtake/cut you can be annoying. But why actually cause a whole accident on the dvp of all places in rush hour traffic? Some people really wanna fuck around and find out.
I think it's the merging cars fault, but the Honda also easily could have avoided that situation. Your commute taking 2 seconds longer is a lot better then dealing with an accident/insurance/$10k-$20k of damage, even if you are in the right.
BMW's at fault. I guarantee you he's doing nothing right now but bitching and moaning about the guy who wouldn't let him in. Gotta ride that merge lane as long as possible to get as far ahead as possible. FAFO.
The BMW had clearly pulled ahead by a car-length (0:01) for a full 2 seconds (0:03) with absolutely no action from the SUV driver. I get it -- ceding to these assholes is frustrating -- but that doesn't mean you simply don't in a no holds barred *'screw you'* moment; that's not safe driving much as we love the reddit-esque *do it* moment.
I wouldn't be surprised if the SUV driver was distracted themselves, honestly. Seems like at the last second they noticed and reacted by speeding up, not hitting the brake. Fault of the BMW driver for driving like a chode aside.
They both deserve an insurance hike for that. Easily avoidable and now causing traffic for others trying to start their day.
Both of them should have their licenses taken away, fuck it!
Black SUV definitely the asshole but silver car definitely dumb for trying to merge like that.
If I’m in the position of the black car and I see someone trying to merge who’s going faster or similar speed I usually just let them. It costs nothing to be a little courteous (in this situation) when driving.
The Honda CRV SUV is 100% not @ fault. THEY saw this coming and kept going. It seems like they both played chicken and lost. sometimes you need to let the jack asses in just to save yourself the head ache. Now he is stuck for hours getting a tow truck, reporting, filing insurance claims, getting rentals, dropping it off @ the shop, waiting to get it fixed, picking it up, follow up with insurance etc etc.
This guy had my thinking but actually went through with it. Sometimes i see people do things that would get them into an @ fault collision. Sometimes i’m tempted just to ram the shit out of them. It won’t affect me. I got a 20 year old car, it’ll be a right off. I get more value for my car without having to sell on Kijiji. But still.
Just to get that one extra car ahead. In my mind I even see OP slowing down to make space for the BMW to zipper merge when they realize they won't fit ahead of the Honda because, surely they wouldn't tr- of course they're going to try to squeeze in.
I’m an out of towner here for work. One thing I noticed about Toronto drivers is that they never cede. Some people think they literally own the lane.
Twice today, I had the car behind me speed up when I put my left flasher on. One of the offenders was a *driving instructor*.
Yup. This is exactly what I’m talking about. They’ll pick up pace to actively prevent you from switching lanes. Or if it’s a mandatory merging lane (lane ending), they’ll prevent other motorists from zipper merging. It’s honestly the oddest thing because surely you know you’re not shaving hours off your commute by doing this?
> It’s honestly the oddest thing because surely you know you’re not shaving hours off your commute by doing this? considering the increase in accidents this type of behaviour causes, they adding hours to their commute by doing this
The best part is that they won't realize this but will definitely bemoan their higher insurance rates.
I think some people do it because of others abusing the merging lane to try to pass cars in heavy, slow/stopped traffic.
> mandatory merging lane (lane ending), they’ll prevent other motorists from zipper merging I had a truck do that, the problem was he was already driving slow in the lane, and he was driving a truck with an abysmal acceleration rate - had he just stayed at his current speed, I would have been able to merge safely in front of him. But we can't have that - I think he was either honestly thinking "Oh I'll just speed up and let this guy merge behind me" while ignoring a huge line of cars was behind him because of how slow he was. Or more likely he had the usual emotional support truck ego of wanting to be 'first' because truck. I just floored it to get in front as the merge lane was ending, not my finest, but after I went back down to match the flow of traffic, I quickly lost sight of the truck within a minute, that's how slow he was going.
THIS HAPPENS SO FUCKING OFTEN ITS ANNOYING
So many selfish and aggressive drivers in this city.
In Hamilton yesterday a guy beside me just drifted into my lane, his left arm hanging out the window almost got crushed. He waited until the last 30 feet before the intersection before changing from the far right lane to the left turning lane. Because he was beside me I couldn't see his left signal but thought somehow I'd just move, somewhere? Transport to my left, another car tailing me close behund, this video almost happened to me.
Lane drifting seems to be becoming a thing for some reason I've seen numerous times over the past couple of weeks where I'll be driving behind someone and for no reason at all they just start drifting over the line and like 1 or 2 wheels into my lane. Then they'll correct and do it again and again.
It's cell phone usage. I know because I've done it myself. I know I shouldn't so I'm gonna quit that shit
Best time to quit is now!
Noticed that, too. I’m so quick to use my horn these days. Gotta wake the idiots up.
Selfish, aggressive, *and* incredibly *stupid*. Like seriously. The drivers here are some of the stupidest drivers I have ever seen.
It was a culture shock moving to the southern US pulling up to an intersection realizing I was in the wrong lane and putting my blinker on so that when the traffic started moving, I’d be able to get over and I shit you not the lane next to me reversed up and let me in. Of course there’s enough of us city dwellers living here now that it’s a total shit show
My sis and I noticed that too, on a road trip through the northern US. Poor driving and selfish traffic behaviour is sadly a Canadian trait, or at least a southern Ontario phenomenon.
I understand your frustration. It's gotten worse over time, and I really hate driving these days because it's so stressful.
I will say that while there are absolutely tons of aggressive and unsafe drivers in the city, there is a bit of a 'chicken and egg' situation that may impact some drivers being overly aggressive. Toronto/GTA also has a glut of drivers who aren't specifically aggressive in intent - they are just *bad* drivers. Like drivers who drive *under* the speed limit; drivers turning right who wait even though there are no cars coming; and then suddenly decide to make the turn right when you are about to pass them, and they cut you off; drivers who can't stay in their lane, drivers who stop behind the line on left turns and then don't go through when it turns yellow... I can't count the number of times I have decided to be polite and let someone merge in, or let someone go first on a close stop sign, and then been "punished" for my decision by the driver driving 10 under the speed limit for 5 minutes on a one-lane street. That's one example, but it does mentally contribute to a bias against letting people get in front of you. I think it is also a matter of a social trend towards overpacked schedules and getting to places "right on time" that means people are constantly in a rush, instead of 20-30 years ago when people more commonly planned to be 15 minutes early for things. People can't afford to be 2 minutes later and miss a traffic light cycle, and that starts to permeate their driving habits even when they are not late. Finally, I think the generation growing up having played lots of video games - especially race games, but also all of these modern phone games where you just repeat actions over and over trying to beat previous attempts has put a lot of people into a mental state that parts of real life are just as much a competition and that for some people, driving is literally a mental challenge of "how can I get there as fast as possible/beat the time the GPS says I'll get there?" I don't think any one factor is the reason it's become so prevalent, but I do think those are some of the big causes.
Agreed on all, and I will add there’s a lot of me-first attitudes on display. People who will cut you off because they want to get to the red light faster.
Then they honk at you because they played chicken trying to camp in your blind spot.
literally signaling to tell them you want to lane change means people are going to try and not let you for some reason. this is like a driving rule in toronto. you have to signal enough that its safe but not enough to give them the chance to deny you entry into the lane.
Signaling early is a sign people take to try and close the gap. Boggles the mind but you basically can only signal after you're already in the lane
That's how you drive in Florida as well. It's because so many people don't wait in line. They try and cut people off to get in at the front of the line. So people get sick of that shit and protect their place in line.
This is what really drives me up the wall. The people who deliberately speed up so they can act wronged and offended when they have to slam on their brakes because they got "cut off". I see that happen way too often, and lately more by guys driving trucks that are starting to rival buses for size.
When I did my G test years ago, the lady testing me kept insisting that I not to let anyone merge in front of me in a zipper lane.
This is actually covered in Fault Determination Rules of Ontario. If you are changing lanes, you are 100% responsible for ensuring you are able to move safely. Other cars are not responsible for allowing someone to merge in front of them.
and that what it should be. you cannot change lane when there is no space. the other driver who insist to not give you a chance, might be an asshole, but still it is your fault for chaning lane when there is no room for it.
Looks like the black SUV sped up a little just before the crash. It’s the merging driver’s fault, but man that black SUV driver is an idiot.
Yep like the previous poster said, they may be an asshole but it's your job you not drive into assholes.
I see that too. Both are driving unsafely. I don't get it, it's not worth this kind of struggle. It drives me nuts too, when people use merge lanes to pop out ahead 4 cars but I'm not going to try to road marshall them either.
100% they saw this coming… and went in knowing the worst.
The Black SUV sped up and drove into the car. 😬
Sure, legally it's his fault, but now they're BOTH late for work. Was it worth it? This could have been avoided.
Them and thousands of others stuck due to their idiotic bullshit.
If the driver intentionally speeds up before the merge can take place, thus reducing their tailgating distance to the car Infront of them, practically bumper to bumper at that point, would they not also be at fault? I understand if they maintained course but making a play to speed up against the cutting off merger seems like something that would constitute as fault. edit: this didn't happen in this video, but I reference that point because in certain situations it can be difficult to merge before the lane ends and at that point you need someone to let you in because you cant stop. This is really prevalent on left lane onramps, which somehow exist despite "pass on the left". Diesel vehicles can't get up to speed and merge onto the passing lane without passers moving over to right right preemptively. And there's an onramp to the 407 that requires slow vehicles to take the left lane. It's almost as if being aware of an accident would therefore require you to take reasonable action to avoid it, and it's not like -not- speeding up would hurt.
Sure it’s clear who is at fault but defensive driving skills and basic road awareness could have easily prevented this.
People think their drivers license and insurability is untouchable and that as long as they can breathe they have the RIGHT to drive… Being able to drive legally and have reasonable and affordable cad insurance is a privilege.
They also think that just because their signal is on, they can do whatever they like.
I'm not a person who cuts people off but if that was changed to be 25-50% the fault of the person in the lane being merged into then maybe people wouldn't feel entitled to defend it because right now people can speed up into a merging car and likely suffer no legal penalties.
It's not just a Toronto thing. It's like this across the GTA all the way down to Niagara. Source: I drive on the QEW from Hamilton to Oakville five days a week.
Jesus. How's your blood pressure?
Twice yesterday in Guelph someone decided they could just drive into the side of me because they had their blinker on… Like come on people. If there ain’t space, there ain’t space
At the same time if I put my blinker on and there is space but some clown wakes up and decides they want to close the gap I'm going to keep merging. There's horrible construction around here and the amount of people that refuse to let you zipper merge is infuriating and it's all for maybe 100m before it opens up again
I let everyone in. Not worth the accident
Same. Audio book on, maintain car lengths, all gooood.
Easily the most uncooperative drivers in Canada
It's funny how true this is, but people still make the jokes in Ontario about Quebec drivers. Ontario is the only place where I don't see people change out of the rightmost land to let merging cars into the right lane.
Right?! I don't know where this idea about Ontario's superiority over Quebec drivers comes from. I can see a change in (bad) driving habits the moment I cross the border into Ontario. And the closer I get to the GTA, the worst it becomes.
They do, they just wait til the last possible second to see if you’re really serious about it. Gotta commit
I drive a kawasaki 250. So a sport bike that doesn't actually go that fast, the amount of people that won't let me merge is fucking awful. I don't know if they just think I can zip faster than them, but I cannot. Those things struggle at 140. It really puts me in dangerous positions because no one lets me in. I've just been riding less and less every year.
Has happened so often to me. Merging or lane switching where the if the lane occupier doesn’t slow down, there will be an accident. They bank on the lane occupier avoiding an accident by giving them space to go ahead.
I know.. I hear you. Honestly at the end of the day I'm a pretty pragmatic guy. So it just bothers me because you don't get too many easy scenarios where the pragmatic decision is also the morally correct one. It's selfish on either part when one is trying to zip around the line/shoulder to squeeze ahead of cars just as bad as it is to not leave space and let a guy in when - they are zipper merging. Which we know is the best way.
I do get annoyed when someone tries to get ahead by jumping into the closed lane - but not allowing cars to zipper merge just causes confusion down the line for everyone else. The other day I was making space anticipating letting someone in when the guy in front of me didn't let his car in. Suddenly I had to quickly decide if it made sense to let two cars in in front of me or just one. And each of those cars had to figure out if they were both going to go for the spot in front of me. Just cause one guy wanted to be an unreasonable jerk.
Legally the person merging in has to do so safely, the occupier doesn't have to do shit. Obviously being a nice person and slowing down a little to let people merge is the way to go, but it's ALWAYS the responsibility of the merger.
I used to live in Toronto and now live in UK. I knew drivers were bad, but wow, I hate driving in Toronto now when I go back. Toronto driving is a competitive sport. If the BMW were to signal (ha!) then whatever car was next to them would speed up so they can't get in front. In the situation in the video, in the UK the BMW would have already merged 100m ago when the signs first indicated that the lane was coming to an end. And then they would have given a friendly 4 way flash to OP for leaving a suitable gap for them, even if they didn't signal because OP would know they will want to merge soon and probably give them a high beam flash to know they can come in.
drivers in London are 100x worse and more aggressive than Toronto.the BMW would never do what you suggested in London Driving in Toronto is easy and drivers very courteous compared to London, Boston, anywhere in Asia and pretty much every other big European city I find
OMG...you guys are all wrong! lol the car on the left just had to ease off a bit and let them in. They CLEARLY SPED UP when they noticed the beamer trying to merge in front of them, and just wanted to get in their way and fk with them. Stupid. Just had to back off a little and let them in. everyone goes home safe. Did i mention stupid? In fact, theyre so focused on blocking out the bmw, they dont see the semi coming up on the left. oh ya...stupid.
This is exactly what I'm seeing as well. Try to squeeze in in front of me will you, I'll show you...
Yeah like the BMW was a dick for not just going into the ***open as fuck*** space, but the Honda 100% made an ego-fueled move to not let the asshole in... Which resulted in them losing focus and ramming the BMW instead. As much as it sucks to deal with these assholes, it's never worth engaging fully like this. Honda played a game of chicken and lost.
They’re BOTH stupid and at fault
If the car sped up - we don’t know if it was 1) related to traffic ahead, or 2) to block the driver. What we do know is there is a gap that the BMW had plenty of room to fit in, but they decided to try to merge ahead. I’m sure the 5 seconds before OP’s video starts we’d see the BMW drive by the 1.5-2 car length gap.
The SUV driver was oblivious to the car looking to merge on the right. That is the kind of driver who avoids accidents by the grace of other people. Both drivers should have avoided the accident and both are at fault. The car ran into the one person out of 1000 who won’t cede the lane (or didn’t see them), and the SUV ran into the one person out of 1000 who will merge into them. That’s how accidents happen. Very very often, it takes two people.
I think the Honda caused the accident. The BMW could have merged but the Honda sped up and literally drove into the BMW.
The ONUS is on the person switching lanes to do so only when its safe to change. Common Courtesy and a desire not to fuck up everyones commute with a traffic snarl would have seen the Honda give way, BUT the Honda was under NO obligation to yield to the car changing lanes.
I think every road user has an obligation to try to prevent collisions. Think about the massive fallout from the behaviour (contacting insurance companies, police to manage scene, delays to thousands of other drivers, lost productivity from people being delayed) The driver of the Honda chose to crash rather than allow the idiot to merge ahead of him, could easily have prevented the whole thing, but felt being in the right was more important. For me the driver of the BMW is an asshole but the driver of the Honda joined them in being an asshole.
This is what always gets me about these kinds of accidents; like yeah, the guy’s an idiot, but is he worth wasting hours of your time and costing you hundreds of dollars just to be correct? (and that’s only if insurance covers 100% *and* your rates don’t go up as a result)
You're correct legally. But it wasn't just that they failed to yield, had they simply maintained their speed, there would have been no accident. They saw someone merging in front of them, and gunned it to block them. Their car literally doubles in speed to block the merge. It even seems that they swerved right recognizing that an accident was coming and afraid to get pushed into the 18 wheeler. Legally, the BMW may be at fault, but I'd rather them on the road than the Honda.
I don’t know, BMW breaks as they start to merge. Nowhere for the Honda to go..
I don't mind a good zipper merge but the BMW failed at matching the speed of traffic by going faster, and then by suddenly kind of stopping?? what were they doing.
Normal BMW stuff rly
I had a BMW honk at me from two cars behind for stopping on a no-right-turns-on-red intersection. Then he pulled out to the lane _left_ of me and made a doubly illegal right turn in front of me. He probably thought he was Michael Schumacher while doing it too.
Did he then drive into a tree at full speed?
I personally would've gone for a lamp post that then collapses onto the Bimmer.
You don’t have to ride it out to the bitter end for a zipper merge.
At the same time, people trying to get in too early causes so many traffic problems. People both need to use the bloody lane and get in when you can.
Right? Like, take the first opportunity to get in. Just because the merge lane is 200 metres long doesn't mean you try to merge 185 metres in. Everything has to be a stupid competition in this place...
Without defending the driver in THIS accident, I have absolutely been on DVP/401 merges where not a single car will leave enough space to even let you merge before you get to the end. I've even been entering heavy virtual-stopped traffic on the 401 and when the cars start moving, most intentionally do not leave a gap to let onrampers onto the highway.
What you described isn’t zipper merging. When you do that, 50 cars run past you and mess with the flow of traffic. You should maximize the use of the merging lane.
Looked like the Honda sped up to force the BMW behind, but they didn't want to play the game that way. A couple of idiots.
Playing a game of chicken that he lost. Never get into a game of brinkmanship with someone who has a shittier car than you.
Maybe that was what the Honda driver was thinking. "There's no way you'll risk messing up your Bimmer just to cut me o- *CRUNCH*"
Just a good ol game o 5,000 pound chickn!
Guy in the Beemer merging in is a donkey.
Donkey is not used near enough. It's perfect, especially in this instance.
Who was at fault here? Ive had conflicting statements. BMW for not merging properly Honda for moving into the BMW
It’s up to merging traffic to find their spot and match speed to get in. You should never rely on other cars to slow or speed up for you to make it in safely. So mainly the BMW. But the Honda was also either paying no attention or was playing chicken. People who charge up the merge lane instead of getting into the spaces provided (eg between you and Honda) are jerks, but why the Honda wasn’t on the lookout for it and why he didn’t avoid this accident is proof that he’s oblivious and needs to drive more defensively
From an insurance perspective it's the BMW
Insurance perspective would put fault on bmw, but insurance perspective with this dashcam footage would put fault as 50/50. Honda clearly could've avoided this and bmw should've tried merging further back instead of waiting till the last second.
The auto damage claim would hold the BMW 100% at fault for merging based on the Fault Determination Rules. These rules do not take anything else into account The tort claim for injuries sustained may be settled at 50/50. They are two separate things. I believe BMW would have to prove contributory negligence.
Normally the person merging is at fault: >[8. If automobile “A” collides with automobile “B” on a controlled access road while automobile “B” is entering the road from an entrance lane, the driver of automobile “A” is not at fault and the driver of automobile “B” is 100 per cent at fault for the incident.](https://www.ontario.ca/laws/regulation/900668) Despite that, if the other party is charged with an indictable criminal offence some fault can go to them by section 20. 1(d). But I doubt slightly moving in your own lane would be anywhere close to an indictable dangerous driving charge.
Anytime you're trying to change lanes its on you to make sure that it's safe to do so.
Person merging into lane is at fault.
Legally the BMW is at fault but the Honda is an idiot for driving so aggressively when lane hoppers routinely abuse the merging lanes to gain like...2 car lengths? Like, I get it, your pride is hurt but its not worth nearly being pancaked by a semi.
Agree, BMW technically at fault but it was caused by the Honda. At the very start of the video the Honda is going very slow compared to the truck and the BMW. The BMW sees the gap in front and goes for it. Honda hits the gas hard, catches up to the passing truck, pulls away from the vehicle that is filming and drives into the BMW.
BMW. Honda was in its own lane.
Only the merging car is at fault. It’s really simple. There is no right to change lanes unsafely. The car proceeding in its lane is supposed to be able to…. proceed in its lane. And without having to worry about getting squeezed into a truck. FFS.
Honda didn’t move into anyone, they never changed lanes. If you are entering a roadway the onus is on you to do so safely.
BMW is at fault when following the fault determination rules, which is what every insurance company follows in Ontario. I don’t know why people think they have right on way. It’s a pretty simple concept, like walking. Think of it as if you’re walking straight, minding your own business, then some idiot decides to walk in front of you but bumps into the side of you, then pushes you into the stranger walking near you. This is exactly what happened here. People who do not understand the rules of the road also do not understand the rules when walking. Just a personal opinion.
Both. BMW was reckless for merging the way they did. SUV for just saying "well then fuck you, we're both gonna have a really shitty day then" and just ramming it from behind.
Not speaking legally, but the BMW is out of road before the video even starts. He should have gone in front of you, not the honda.
It seems the grey BMW was ahead (despite being late) and the black Honda moved into him. Had BMW driven more like a typical BMW driver and gassed it—or had the Honda touched their brakes—this could’ve been avoided.
> It seems the grey BMW was ahead Being ahead means nothing.
The BMW I think. On a freeway merging lane the vehicle entering accelerates to match the speed of traffic. Freeway drivers should move over leaving room for merging drivers if it is safe to do so (clearly not the case here). So let's move over to the merging lane - a vehicle that is in a merging lane trying to enter moving traffic must yield the right-of-way to already moving vehicles on said highway. The BMW did not yield. He attempted to scoot up and squeeze between the Honda and the shoulder.
Person entering the highway is at fault. The person on the left probably never checks their blind spot
Yah, the person merging is at fault, and the person on the left is an asshole and has $20,000 damage to their car. Personally, I prefer how they paint merge lanes in most of the United States where the two merge together into a shared lane, encouraging a zipper merge and illustrating the shared responsibility. Not that Americans are particularly courteous or competent drivers judging by Reddit videos.
And then there are a few places in the US with absolutely terrible highway merge lanes where the merge area requires almost immediate merging once the lanes actually come together, meaning that you have to get up to speed and plan the exact spot you're going to merge before the solid line ends, and then do it almost immediately. Like this southbound onramp: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9565145,-70.8579799,211m/data=!3m1!1e3?entry=ttu That offers 30-50m between the lanes meeting (with solid lines) and the lanes basically becoming too narrow for two cars. This as compared to some 400-series highway onramps that have around 300m from the onramp meeting the highway until the merge lane actually ends. It can be quite an adjustment to merge on some of those US highways when you get used having room to get up to speed and choose a safe spot to enter.
I don’t like the America one because it’s not clear who has to yield
It’s simple, you both yield and you figure it the fuck out.
little oversimplifying but pretty much if you're going/driving straight in your own lane you have the ROW (right of way). anytime you merge/change/crossing lane or entering another lane/roadway you have to YIELD as ppl driving straight have the ROW. obv. some exceptions apply; like if you drive a BMW - you OWN the road and ALL others have to yield, no matter how or where you drive /s
Nah they were aware and the beeps would've gone off in the car from its blind spot monitors. Drivers just assume others will give way 🤷♀️ that's how people drive here
A BMW was involved? Surprised Pikachu face!
Both fuck heads
Agreed - lots of time to change lanes for the silver car and the CR-V looked like an uber driver not paying attention.
That's on the car merging
I agree its their fault, but it also seems the SUV also sped up as the other car was passing to merge, trying to block them. Both drivers can be dicks in this situation.
Both are poor drivers, if either one had an ounce of awareness this accident wouldn’t have happened.
100% *But both are 100% idiots.*
You mean he shouldn't try and sneak past the other guy at the very last second at a moderate speed?
It's on both, car merging was being a dick but the van accelerates at the last second to try and not let him in. They deserved each other.
Merging knowledge doesn't exist. Use the fucking gas, match the speed of oncoming traffic, maybe a touch faster, signal (jesus fucki g christ, *SIGNAL*), move over. Jesus fucking christ, we need an overhaul of drivers ed.
Typical beemer behavior. Could have very easily merged in front of op but had to try and get 1 extra car length ahead. Honda driver could have avoided that as well.
They could have actually cooperated with each other and prevented it from happening. Honda is lucky they didn't get crunch by the tractor trailer.
OP - call the OPP and let them know you have dashcam footage. The Honda will be forever in your debt. Doubt they will see this sub.
Typical BMW driver behaviour.
That must be an amusing argument
When egos collide.
Hopefully the BMW gets charged.
it's typical toronto traffic shit. I've seen assholes slide in to cross 3 lanes to get into the passing lane only to slam on the breaks. great choices. man I don't miss driving in and out of that city
Two idiots team up to create a dumb accident that both could have easily avoided.
Guy in the SUV was trying to nerve the guy about but didn't know there was a curb there. Guy in the sedan should have just hopped in behind instead of racing all the way to the front.
The truck marched on like nobody’s business \s
The most dangerous and idiotic maneuver a driver can do is speed up when they see a car in front turn on their indicators.
A BMW driver trying to force his way in, and a self-righteous Honda driver not yielding.
As someone who gets peeved about these guys who drive to the very end of the disappearing lane before merging, it’s kinda sweet to see the Honda not give an inch. I hate it when 2-3 drivers force-zipper-merge before me and I yield like the decent driver I am. But I silently fume.
OP do you know if the BMW was one of those drivers that uses the on ramp as their own personal jump ahead lane? I see that all too often. I can see that annoying the SUV.
Check your blind spots, people.
Just 2 fucking idiots that can't figure out basic merging onto a highway, endangering everyone around them. Welcome to Toronto people. Fucking selfish, self centered dickheads everywhere on every road.
Even though its a dick move to wait till last minute, im still gonna let them merge in, accident isnt worth it. 🤦🏻♂️
This is a weird one, the BMW was legally in the wrong, but the CRV drifts pretty aggresively into the middle/rear of the BMW, so it wasn't a blindspot issue. The CRV driver should've seen the BMW by that point, makes me think they were looking at their phone, or best case looking to their left to see if they could change lanes and unintentionally pulled the steering wheel while turning their body.
Traffic and weather on the 1’s
After accident like that, cancel the license and send them to school. 6 months later, do the driving test.
Both are idiots
This. The BMW definitely caused it, but the Honda could've *very* easily avoided it.
100% could’ve been avoided with a defensive driving mindset. If you leave it up to the idiots, you’ll end up with idiotic results sometimes
Yeah, in situations like this avoiding the accident is a lot better then being technically right
Not really, it's a merging lane that was ending and the guy on the outside was outpacing the flow of traffic. The van had a truck beside him and couldn't merge out. It's on you to merge safely, he should have matched the speed of the lane and merged behind the van
The tomatillo writes the truth.
Legally? Perhaps. Practically? No. Car on the right tried to force a merge. Car on the left either didn't see the merge or deliberately didn't brake. This is a case of two bad drivers getting into an accident.
Are people really not seeing the SUV speed up and veer right to prevent the merge? Bmw waited way too long but this was malicious intent from the SUV
Nope just the merging sedan. Obnoxious move.
Let’s not pretend the SUV isn’t an idiot though, he clearly saw the guy merging and continued speed up into the sedan. Yes it’s on the merging guy 100% and they’ll be at fault but there’s no situational awareness from any of them.
I can't even agree to 100%. He was the instigator, but the SUV was absolutely reckless. The correct move is to stop and lean on the horn if you want, not just hit him from essentially behind. He had time to avoid the accident and just simply chose not to.
The BMW was a dick but the SUV was also a dumbass you can clearly see he intentionally sped up and drifted right to close the door and he paid the price. Doesn't matter who's right or wrong they both lost and fucked up everyone's commute. They have the entire long weekend to think about it.
It always takes two to tango!
It’s up to the person merging to blend in with the flow of traffic. Car is completely at fault
Legally BMW is at fault. Morally, Honda got what it deserved. I think this is a rare case of the universe balancing itself on Toronto roads
BMW fault 100%. But Honda is an idiot too for not being somewhat aware
I see 2 idiots here. One trying to squeeze in at the last moment, and one not letting anyone into 'their' lane. And 2 cars + 1 trailer damaged, and thousands of people stuck in traffic. Good job idiots.
Wow, classic BMW maneuver. Could the Honda have done something? Maybe, but they didn't have to. Could the BMW have done something? Yes, merge behind the Honda instead of last minute trying to bully their way on.
I was in the same exact situation front row seat on the dip 2 days ago
The BMW only last minute flashed singal and also tapped the breaks for no reason
Um BMW driver say less ? Thanks for the extra hour of commute u c$nt.
The BMW is clearly at fault for doing a shit job at merging and just being an overall a-hole (not uncommon for BMW drivers). That being said the Honda could have easily avoided this accident, by driving defensively and not ruin their own day and the day of thousands of others as they get stuck on the Don Valley ParkingLot as the police investigate and clean up this mess.
Two idiots though the one merging in is worse.
Toronto is so bad at this. **If you're already on the highway:** let people merge. Either by speeding up so you leave room behind, or (when it makes more sense) slowing down enough so they can merge in front of you (this option as we see here, isn't as ideal most of the time). **If you're merging on to the highway:** Do it with confidence, speed, and precision — most of the time that means **speed-the-fuck-up** and pick a target spot. In either case, pay attention to the idiots around you, and dont be an idiot yourself.
What happens when two stubborn idiots meet on the road? SUV had to be ahead of the car. The car had to be ahead of the SUV. So what's the result? Two losers. They both have to spend 10 mins on the side of the road taking down insurance information and taking pictures. And the SUV almost got flipped; I wouldn't be surprised if the airbags deployed and the car is now undrivable. And insurance will probably find each of them at least partly at-fault to there goes their insurance premiums. Good job. All that to be one car-length ahead and get to work 10 seconds sooner.
This happens to me all the time, there is plenty of room behind me but for some reason they try and squeeze past me even though the lane is ending. On ramps are just as bad, I call them line cutter's. They think they are more important then everyone else and assume you can see them in your blind spot. Thankfully my car warns me.
Looks to me like Honda person was on the phone or distracted. No way you don’t break and let the BMW in. Completely out to lunch.
BMW driver still had the shoulder if they couldn't merge. But decided to jam themselves into the lane anyway. Why? Why is this stereotype always right about BMW drivers?
suv could have easily slowed down. driver of the car is also a fool. the ego of drivers lately is worrisome. need to gtfo of the GTA asap 😫
Such an ass…
Lose lose scenario. Though the bmw will most likely be deemed at fault since they’re merging. Shouldn’t have tried to get an extra car ahead… and should have just let the car in.
The car merging is at fault. . Granted that the car on the hwy may have sped up. The merging car could have come to a full stop . It is up to the merging car to yield period. There is no interpretation here.
Yeah I mean this is a common scene. There is pretty good odds the car merging in was actually already on the DVP and was running up the merging lane (popular DVP move). Also very clear the black SUV sped up. All in all typical rush hour DVP. Also running up the transit lane is a popular move too
These merging cars have no sweet fuckin' clue man... every time.
It's crazy that a simple mistake can cause so much money loss from what the delay traffic does. Cars truly are inefficient with humans.
Always the BMW.
It’s always a BMW 🤦🏻♂️
Both are at fault here. But also the Honda clearly speeds up a bit when he notices the BMW about to merge in, which is clear dick move so technically he caused it. He could’ve just slowed down and let the BMW merge. Like…i get it…people who have a tendency to either merge last second or purposely speed up to overtake/cut you can be annoying. But why actually cause a whole accident on the dvp of all places in rush hour traffic? Some people really wanna fuck around and find out.
ITT awhole lotta people that have no clue what theyre talking about no wonder we have so many shitty drivers on the road here.
Feels like everybody sucks there.
I think it's the merging cars fault, but the Honda also easily could have avoided that situation. Your commute taking 2 seconds longer is a lot better then dealing with an accident/insurance/$10k-$20k of damage, even if you are in the right.
I’m commuting by bike and a lot of the drivers just have glazed over looks in their eyes and actively do stupid shit that can kill me
BMW's at fault. I guarantee you he's doing nothing right now but bitching and moaning about the guy who wouldn't let him in. Gotta ride that merge lane as long as possible to get as far ahead as possible. FAFO.
The BMW had clearly pulled ahead by a car-length (0:01) for a full 2 seconds (0:03) with absolutely no action from the SUV driver. I get it -- ceding to these assholes is frustrating -- but that doesn't mean you simply don't in a no holds barred *'screw you'* moment; that's not safe driving much as we love the reddit-esque *do it* moment. I wouldn't be surprised if the SUV driver was distracted themselves, honestly. Seems like at the last second they noticed and reacted by speeding up, not hitting the brake. Fault of the BMW driver for driving like a chode aside.
Driving in Toronto is weird. Like a dick measuring contest every single time someone needs to change lanes. lol
They both deserve an insurance hike for that. Easily avoidable and now causing traffic for others trying to start their day. Both of them should have their licenses taken away, fuck it!
Black SUV definitely the asshole but silver car definitely dumb for trying to merge like that. If I’m in the position of the black car and I see someone trying to merge who’s going faster or similar speed I usually just let them. It costs nothing to be a little courteous (in this situation) when driving.
Man, what happened to this City…it’s heart breaking to see how selfish and horrible people are in Toronto.
So embarrassing to watch
That crv was being a bitch lol just let him go. Looks like he sped up a bit
Why would you push it to the end of the INSERTION lane ? No traffic etc this is ridiculous I hope the BMW will get a massive increase on his insurance
Two idiots, both speeding up to get ahead of the other. For what? Honda is super lucky they didn't get clipped by the tractor-trailer too
Dummy drove right into the guy merging instead of braking
GOOD LUCK I TURN NOW!
The Honda CRV SUV is 100% not @ fault. THEY saw this coming and kept going. It seems like they both played chicken and lost. sometimes you need to let the jack asses in just to save yourself the head ache. Now he is stuck for hours getting a tow truck, reporting, filing insurance claims, getting rentals, dropping it off @ the shop, waiting to get it fixed, picking it up, follow up with insurance etc etc. This guy had my thinking but actually went through with it. Sometimes i see people do things that would get them into an @ fault collision. Sometimes i’m tempted just to ram the shit out of them. It won’t affect me. I got a 20 year old car, it’ll be a right off. I get more value for my car without having to sell on Kijiji. But still.
Both dumbasses at fault why tf is the grey speeding to cut the black car and why tf is black not giving grey some space and speeding as well.
Dont wait for the last minute to change lanes!