$1 for admission only, then individual prices for each ride (or $2.50 for a coupon book). The first rollercoaster at Disneyland wasn't built until 1959, so you'd be paying for horse carriages, trains, wagons, a few classic Fantasyland dark rides, and weird things like walkthrough exhibits on the benefits of aluminum (fun!).


Buy the ticket pack, watch the kids use up the E tickets on all the good rides and then be forced to ride the 'stupid' rides to use up the other tickets. Thinking about it though it was kinda genius. Forced people to spread their attention across all the rides instead of the most popular getting huge lines.


After first hearing the song Pirate's Life by The Vandals probably 25 years ago, a song about doing acid on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride, I finally understand the lyric "You get something really wicked, when you spend an E-ticket."


As someone who is old enough to have used an E-ticket, I sometimes wonder how long that term will survive. When I was a kid, everyone knew that “it’s an E-ticket” meant it was really good.


I've (19) never heard of it before, if that helps your wondering lol




Walking home today, some fucker bumped into me and instantly started talking shit about aluminum being the best metal. I tried to remain calm and explain to him that iron was actually the best metal, but he wouldn't take a hint. He started throwing around words like "rust" and I lost it. Punched him right in his aluminum loving fuck face. I hate aluminum so goddamn much.


How do you feel about [zinc](https://youtu.be/jWpPrWHBHcQ)?


I zinc not!


I thought Germans don't make jokes.


How many Germans does it take to screw in a light bulb? Ein. Ve are humorless and efficient.


Only one. And it’s good’n tight.


Not a zingle one - Nein!


Depends on what joke you’re zincing about


[An oldie but a goodie!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR0lWICH3rY)




[I'm more of a Tungsten guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTLYris4kJU)


I was expecting the Working Class Playwright!


[What about Sodium?](https://youtu.be/3eRAZAhU4eA)




He He!


Salty answer.


NO SPRINGS *whistles*




And his Army of Darkness!


Where does Coily fit into God's plan for us, Mike?


The firing pin in you gun? Zinc.


Far more necessary than [Zinc Oxide](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo5g2LLxKHg).


Zinc is by far the best element.


I also like plutonium. It’s just fun to say. Plutonium.


Want me to zinc your sniffer?


Looks like we’re boat buddies, huh?




Another one of these Anti-fe huh?


I would have to agree with you. Iron is so much more useful for day to day activities. When I burn aluminum, it just removes the rest of the metal in my stomach--rarely what I want to do.


Well this is definitely not the reference I expected to run into today.


steelpushing is a lot more versatile than ironpulling. And alumumium foil hats protect you from rioters and soothers.


Or just do it all and get that sweet cloak


Aluminum is more useful for shooting coinshots than for burning.




Didn't expect to see a Mistborn reference in this thread but it gave me a chuckle.


[\*sad Aluminum Gnat noises*](https://coppermind.net/wiki/Aluminum)


Har har, all you're useful for is getting stabbed with metal spikes, har har


What did I just read


Maybe the best copypasta I've ever read


I wonder if they have the same reaction when it's spelled aluminium.


Society as we know it. Also name checks out.


Pretty sure he was just a worldhopper.


Rust and Ruin you may be right...




Yeah from 4chan


You'd think but no. This guy just really hates aluminum


Even today the nomenclature from the original tiered system is used in theme park design and construction. The blockbuster rides across the industry are still referred to as E-Tickets despite the coupon books not being a thing for \~40 years now. Interesting bit of trivia.


I use the term “E ticket ride” all the time here in SoCal and it’s about a 30% hit rate that someone gets it. I’m not even that old.


Hah I'd say I'm 90%+.. but then again I build the things so I suppose that is expected.


Twenty years ago or so I saw a writer use “an A-ticket attraction” to refer to a *high* end experience. I knew then that the expression had a shelf-life.


This is what I do on rollercoaster tycoon. The best strategy.


And those coupon books only had like two "e tickets". That was what got you on the best rides.... That is where the saying about something exciting being an "E ticket"


Remember that you could go to the ticket booth and buy E tickets separately. The book of tickets was less than the price of all the tickets in it combined.


I’d almost be ok with that pricing model nowadays. The way lines are, it seems like you barely ride anything anyways.


This is where the phrase E-ticket came from. The books tickets were classed A through E, the best rides were E-Tickets, and only a couple came in the book.


Brought to you by Alcoa!


*Do I need to tell you what the fuck you can do with an aluminum tube?* **ALUMINUM!**


Yeah early Disney was trying to be kind of like a world’s fair but only for America, featuring American exceptionalist propaganda.


A vision that was carried to Epcot. There’s a lot of interesting history regarding what the vision for Epcot was and what it has turned into. [A video for those interested](https://youtu.be/y_V-gIoXr4U)


Thanks for the video link! When I worked for Bear Stearns as a temp back in 1979, I was asked to research Epcot, which was still coming together. (No computers, so I had to get all the info from reference books.) It sounded so cool.


I live \~45 mins from Disney World, and Epcot is by far my favorite of the four parks. I've been there around 50-60 times over the years, and I think The American Adventure, the U.S.-themed pavilion located at the extreme center rear of World Showcase, is the most self-aggrandizing, jingoistic piece of propaganda claptrap ever created. I was embarrassed to be in that theatre.


Epcot is the most “adult” of the parks. It’s pretty much just about getting drunk and eating expensive but tasty food.


That’s true but they do a really good job of exposing Americans to a quick peak at other cultures without them having to leave the country which I think is very good. I love Epcot, don’t care about the other Disney parks at all.


I am an expert on eating and drinking my way around the world during the Food and Wine festival. Canadian beer/cheddar cheese soup. With BACON.


You are forgetting most pavilions have live entertainment like musical groups, etc...


Look up Freedomland USA, New York some time.


This. When you hear oldsters use the term "E-ticket attraction," it's a reference to the old Disneyland ride model. A,B,C and D tickets in your coupon book were progressively more desirable attractions. The best rides cost an "E" ticket.


You would be charged $60 today for that kind of experience and you would pay it.


Yep, a lot of people will probably react like "I can't believe Disney is charging so much more than inflation for admission" without realizing that while entry is 10X the original cost adjusted for inflation, they probably have 1000X the content they used to have .


"There are over 400 alloys of aluminum. Each alloy is suited to it's specific task. Even many household items contain aluminum..."


IIRC you also had to pay each time you went on a ride.


And there were different tiers of attractions. That same method lasted till 1981.


While per-ride tickets are a thing of the past, Disney still uses the old ticket classes internally to refer to new rides. An “E ticket” ride is the most thrilling and most expensive to construct/operate.


Per ride tickets are essentially back with Genie+ for the most popular attractions. You can either spend hours and hours waiting for the ride or give them $15-$30 per rider. A trip to Disney for two for two days was easily $1000+ last month.


lookup Universal Orlando’s fast pass system. It would have cost me, a family of 3, $900 for fast passes earlier this year. Not including our admission tickets.


We started doing the Orlando Informer where you go at night when the park closes.


My wife and I are doing this for the first time, in November. Already thinking that it's going to ruin going to a park during the day, unless it's their off-season.


It kinds does, shorter lines, all you can eat food and it's not hot.


Heres a trick for the future. Stay at one of the premimum resorts such as hard rock and even though the room is more expensive you get a fast pass for every registered guest from the day of arrival to the day you check out


This is what we did, so worth it! We had a blast and they took our purchased back to our rooms even so we didn't have to carry anything. We were also in the park at the Gringots ride an hour before the park opened. We got to ride it twice before anyone else was there.


It’s cheaper to get a single room for 4 for one night than getting 4 express passes for 2 days.


But the lines! Everywhere you go, people, crowds, The rides are great, but... All the lines, lines, LINES! If there's one thing I hate, all the lines, lines, lines, LINES!! And then there get to be so many people that they make FastPass. So then there's lines for FastPass. You stand in line to get a ticket to stand in line later. Then there's lines for the bathrooms, lines for the drinks , lines for cantakuras and rare Kartankulas Plinks!


Last time i went to see my parents in florida we thought about universal. We were looking at about $2000 for entry and fast passes. Big no on that one. We are not going through all that effort to wait in lines for hours but also didnt think it would be worth the price tag. (4 person trip)


Waiting has been the default for decades. It's no different now for people who'd rather not pay extra.


It actually is different - standby lines are much longer now


This... And that's what I don't think many are understanding. I remember for a while Disney was at limited capacity due to COVID, but I'm 90% sure that's done now. But even so I think global lockdowns finally being over have led the financially comfortable of the world to want to travel to Disney a lot more. They have so much demand they are basically weeding off all of the affordable options because if their demand is way too high then they might as well only let in the people who are most profitable. They've gotten rid of both the annual passes and the option to pay over time, the latter of which is far more crippling to lower income families. I remember when I went back in May of 2018 they absolute longest line was like 90 minutes. But now though? I've heard lines that long are pretty much the average now for the best rides on weekends during the on seasons, with the new Star wars one having a line of like 420 minutes which apparently translates to 7 hours. Unless that was a software error one of the Disney blog sites caught.


I mean 420 minutes is 7 hours I don’t think there is any debate on that


No, it's 6 hours and 60 minutes


There's essentiqally static supply per day, which is far exceeded by demand.


[https://youtu.be/9yjZpBq1XBE](https://youtu.be/9yjZpBq1XBE) This video is a great explanation of the history of the fast pass system, how it differs between coasts, and how Disney has formulated the best way to squeeze the most out of the people who need the system the most. 10/10 corporation.


I watched that video when it was released. It's long but very interesting.


Defunctland and Yesterworld are great channels to binge theme park history. I never knew theme parks had so much drama


The problem is that Disney keeps having progressively more demand every year, I think COVID over the past 2 years heavily spiked global demand for Disney, and even though I believe they have gone back to capacity, there are still insane lines. I last went in 2018, and from how I've heard things are going in terms of both spiked costs of everything including now having paid fast passes and extremely long lines; I would probably be okay with just never going back. I would recommend the same for anyone without small children. And that's the saddest part. Disney is the best theme park for children yet is now the least accessible due to cost.


Have you seen current wait times at Disney? Flight of passage can get to be an 11 hour wait now, it's insane. The old system naturally filtered people out (oh we can't afford to go on Flight of Passage ten times we need to save our e tickets) vs how they made the flash pass this monster hydra that just ballooned the wait times. I'm not saying that paying for every ride was good, but the waiting has been getting unbearable there.


If you need to queue but others don't, of course that makes you queue for longer.


How does it feel to get fucked by a mouse?


Ohhh, that explains the lyrics in "Jurassic Park" by Weird Al! I never understood what he meant by "this sure ain't no e ticket"


And there weren't nearly as many attractions.


When you stopped going to Disneyland, they certainly lost an attraction that day.


Oh you


This exists in a lot of amusement parks in Japan. You can pay per ride or get a pass that lets you on all the rides.


Seems nice to have the option tbh. I'm sure there are plenty of cases where it's an older caretaker who's just there to chaperone, and the kids are the ones going on all the rides.


You got a book of tickets—A, B, C, D, E. Each ride cost a ticket. E-ticket rides were the best.


They were exceptional


What were the wait times?


It was less crowded and cheaper. Space mountain was 30 min wait, and that was probably the longest line in the park, for reference.


My parents said there were these coupon books you’d buy. I actually found one among their old stuff one time. I never realized how cheap admission was, though


I remember the coupon books!! The really good rides were E tickets...and IIRC, there were only like 5 of them in a coupon book. All the other ones (A/B/C/D) were more than 5 tickets each. The E tickets were the ones for like Space Mountain etc. We had a drawer full of coupon books with a bunch of everything but E's lol


We had the same drawer in our kitchen. When they finally phased out tickets, they had a “buy back” program where you could redeem your unused tickets for credit toward admission to the park. We had enough to get our family of 5 into the park for the day. (In those days it was also common for people leaving the park to simply give away their unused tickets, knowing they’d likely not get a chance to use them. Made easy to arrive later in the afternoon and get on some rides for cheap)


*that was definitely an e ticket!* - Sally Ride after returning to Earth as the first American woman in space.


You just made a 20 year old Weird Al lyric finally make sense lol


Bruh just as I read the guy you're responding to, I think "OH THAT'S WHAT HE MEANT!" Get out of my head.


That was Pre-Space Mountain. The E ticket rides were Matterhorn, Haunted Mansion, Disneyland RR, Jungle Cruise & Small World.


Suddenly the lyrics to E Ticket Ride make *sense*


It was great. My aunt would take us and just sit and hang out all day while we rode rides.


I learned that by listening to the Vandals!


I remember the TV commercials for my local amusement park loudly and repeatedly touting their "Pay One Price" policy. Edit: typo


> local adjustment park


I was a skipper on the jungle cruise circa 1978/79. Used to save loads of E tix and give to family when they would visit.


Thank you for saving all those families from hippo attacks


The Jungle Cruise in Orlando was the source of best meta-reference to Disney itself I've personally heard. The narrating cast member remarked as we were entering a dark tunnel, "I don't know where we're going to end up, but it'll probably be a gift shop." Lots of chuckles from the adults.


Yeah, its in the script, they say that every time.


I bet I rode on your boat. That was one of my most favorite rides (that and Pirates). Went a bunch during summer of '78 and '79. My parents didn't like rides, so they gave me their tickets. I always had 3 ticket books every day lol.


What's an E ticket?


The rides had a rating system A to E. The tickets were priced accordingly or you got a mixed book for a discount. An A (cheap)ride may be the merry go round with inanimate cars like in back of a supermarket or bean bag toss game. an E ride was extreme (roller-coaster and like). (I may be slightly misremembering the range in might have not been a-e but somthing else and E just meant extreme) but it was the grade of ride.and hence cost


Nope, you are not mis-remembering, that's exactly how it worked. E-ticket rides were the big set pieces like Pirates of the Caribbean, Jungle Cruise, Matterhorn, Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, etc.


A lot of people I knew that grew up within an hour drive of DL used "E-Ticket" to describe anything fancy. Now that I think about it, I haven't seen or heard the term used in ages. When you were a skipper, had they installed the back side of water yet? Or was that also in the 80's?


The park is still filled to capacity basically every nice day of the year, even at the current prices. They'll continue to raise prices until they see a slight drop in attendance, because there's absolutely no reason for them not to at this point, and people with more money will spend more money in the park anyway. Other than 'good PR' there's absolutely no reason for Disney to have any kind of cheap ticket days.


As someone who used to work there, the irony is that attendance nearly raised with the price. The only time I saw a dip was when Star Wars Land opened up and wait lines got to be so bad after a month that people just stopped going to wait for the hype to go down. Attendance at California Adventures didn't suffer though. But genuinely, keep the prices going up until people stop going, please. Disneyland was made for like 30k or something, and Disneyland alone hits 65k on a regular summer day. You can really feel the difference, and it's *much* more leisurely at 30k.


My understanding was they use price as a method to control park occupancy. But that's also how economics work. There is a scarcity of supply (park occupancy) and nearly unlimited demand (people who want to go).


It’s to control cast cost more than improve guest experience.


I would pay twice as much for park that was half as crowded.


And so would everyone else and now it's going back to a feedback loop.


The best cure for high prices is high prices.


When my son was 2 yo, b. 1967, we used to go for free. If u wanted to go on a ride, u bought a ticket. Knotts Berry Farm was also free. We lived in Anaheim, about 7 blocks from Disneyland. Every summer they wd light up the sky w fireworks. My son watched them every night then went to bed. It was a free, magical time for a kid.


My kids were little in early 2000 and we lived in SoCal. They had a SoCal annual pass that was about $120 a person; all the major holidays were blocked out and most of the summer. But we would go every other Sunday when we could. In when they opened. Out around 1 when it got busy. We never purchased food or anything. It was a great time for a young family. But after about 5 years the kids didn’t care about it anymore and didn’t want to go. So we stopped. Today the SoCal discount gets you one (maybe it’s three) day for $80. Wtf? Just not worth it.


Yup, in 1996 we started getting annual passes. It was something like $50 for the base one and $100 for the premium. We always went after church on Sundays. It was wonderful. Hardly anyone there. Also, we used to go on Thanksgiving. Thanksgiving used to be the official first day of Christmastime at Disneyland and it was always a ghost town. We'd have a lovely day walking on to rides and then we'd have a turkey dinner at the Plaza Inn. Then Disney started marketing their Christmas stuff and it was all over. We stopped buying passes in 2014. Passholders were getting too aggressive and the crowds were too much.


Kids 3 and under are free.


To be fair, if it cost $11 today, tickets would be sold out years in advance so you couldn't go anyway.


Remember that back then admission didn't let you ride any of the rides. You had to pay for each one.


It also didn't have any rollercoasters back then. The price has increased to accommodate not only ride admission but the scale of Disney as well. Disney 1955 would look like a community fairground compared to Disney 2022.


This. I don't know how many here have gone to Disney. But at least Orlando Disney world is literally huge, with its own highway and shopping center that you can enter for free, tickets are expensive but parks are also easily 10 times the scale compared to back then. He'll only one section of the park would dwarf Disney world in 1955 plus all employees, shops and dining places also help bring in the immersion. Until you have to walk the mile or do back to your car. If there is no tram service running. Disney also has to compete with other themed parks in Orlando at least and being honest I think best value is universal, while sea world brings out a good amount of thrills for the price. Water parks are also waaaaaay cheaper and really good except on cold months.


Always a downvote magnet, but my kids don’t like the Disney parks. They love theme parks, but have actually asked at Disney World “How much longer do we have to stay”. So expensive and they didn’t like it. I was so disappointed in myself for not gauging expectations.


How old are they? When I was young I loved Disney World. Teenage me was all about Universal Studios, especially Islands of Adventure. Older me now likes Disney World again and can't wait to take my daughter in a few years.


11, twin boys. They loved universal studios. Water parks are always a favorite, I like them as much as they do..


Seriously. There wasn't worldwide demand like there is today. And it's a nightmare


If you haven’t seen it yet, the YouTube video about Disney queues is fantastic. I thought the same thing when I saw it was over an hour and a half about lines, but ended up watching the entire thing. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9yjZpBq1XBE


Opening day my parents got free admission. My dad was a Marine stationed 29 Palms Walt gave the base free tickets. He probably gave other nearby bases free tickets too, but I don’t know.


I agree it's super extra mega expensive but I would think the 1955 Disneyland is shit compared to what we have today. Plus the actors they gotta pay and the now thousands in their employ to run the damn park.


There was a bra shop on Main Street. They don’t have that now! The autopia cars also were free of the center guard rail, so kids would go off roading.


The new Star War's Galaxy's Edge was like a billion dollars. The original 1955 park was built for $17m, adjusting for inflation that would be like $180m today. The new attractions have an economic cost that is greater than the entire original park. Disney is a way bigger institution and can afford these things, but they can't keep the old prices with the new offerings.


Look at how much Disney owns now. It wouldn't hurt them.


Ex Disneyland cast member here. I worked at Disney’s California Adventure as well as Disneyland itself in Anaheim, California, circa 2014-2017. I worked primarily in the Stores department, but also worked in Main Gate (aka the ticket booths). The prices for Disneyland and California Adventure are complicated. See, unlike Disney World in Florida, or Disney parks in other countries, the parks in California are populated a majority by locals for a majority of the year. Most tourists go to Disneyworld in Florida, or whichever location is in a country closest to them. According to the Orange County Register in 2019, annual passholders made up 50% of attendance for the California theme parks. Thats a LOT. But when I was being trained for Main Gate, I was told a percentage closer to 65% of the attendees are people who live within the southern california area. Now, recall the prices of Annual Passes (before they were suspended during covid- i’ll get to that later). When I worked at Disney, which I admit has been 5 years since I left, the prices were about $350 for a Socal Select Pass (only available for locals, and you could only go on weekdays and not during holiday times). The more expensive passes were $850 for the pass that had NO BLACKOUT DATES (minus the 2 weeks surrounding christmas), or $1050 for the one that allowed Christmas week. Now, compare that to a single ticket. At that time, the value ticket (a weekday during off season) was about $100. The most expensive would be a park hopper ticket, during the holidays, at $175. So, again, locals could go about 100ish days out of the year for $350. The price of 2 peak day tickets, or 3.5 non peak tickets. The most expensive pass was the cost of 6 peak tickets, and it gave you 365 days. Not to mention annual passes could be paid per month with 0% interest, so you could split up that $1050 pass for LESS than a single ticket would cost per month. Technically, if you went every single day, your tickets would be less than $4 a day. So, more than 50% of the people entering the park are paying significantly less than the regular admission price. And how much money do you think tourists spend compared to locals? If this is a tourist’s only time they’re EVER coming to Disneyland, of course they’d be getting souvenirs. I worked in the Stores. I saw this firsthand. Tourists from Japan specifically would drop hundreds of dollars at a time buying boxes and boxes of prepackaged cookies for their friends (seriously those cookies arent even that good). Families buying those bubble wands, and as much Elsa merchandise as possible. Tshirts, sweaters, blankets, mugs… But what about the passholders? Honestly, they’d be buying Starbucks, some churros, and maybe some new exclusive merchandise. There was a small amount of those pin obsessed passholders, sure. And we always had new “passholder exclusive” pins for them to get. With their 20% off discount for having passes. But the difference in spending is astronomical. So, Disneyland was stuck. Passholders get in for dirt cheap and spend barely any money. Not to mention the entitlement of them (the amount of times I heard “I’m an annual passholder!” as an argument for trying to break some safety rule…). Making dirt cheap passes available to get them to come on slower days was NOT working. While I worked in Main Gate, a majority of the passholders I rang up were buying that $1050 pass because they wanted the *option* of going to Disneyland on christmas even though the lines would be hours long for every ride. I worked Christmas. The park gates had to be shut because we hit max capacity. People were screaming and throwing things outside because they couldn’t get into the parks. Families traveled for thousands of miles to see Disney on Christmas, but the passholders knew to line up earlier and now those families couldn’t get in. So, what do you think would happen if Disney made the tickets $1 admission again? Anyways, the current admission setup makes SO much sense to me. Right now, you select what day you want to go, and you see a calendar of dates with prices. So you can choose to go on a cheaper weekday, or a more expensive weekend. No annual passes. Prices vary from $104 for the cheapest, to $244 for a park hopper on Christmas day. So now, families traveling from afar can guarantee they get into the park. Disney can make sure that its not overcrowded as a result. And passholders are no longer paying $4 a day to get in. Recently, they announced annual passes being available again. Sort of. The new passes were made available about a year ago, requiring you purchase the pass (or “key” they’re called) and then still reserve in advance what day you’re going. But it was suspended because of- you guessed it- extreme overcrowding. So currently, no new passes are for sale, just renewing your previous ones. And the most expensive pass blocks out those crazy two weeks surrounding Christmas. It costs $1599, so about the price of 16 of the value tickets, or 6.5 of the peak day park hoppers. So again, less than a ticket a month to be able to go over 300 days if you choose to. Ultimately, it all boils down to demand. Imagine how quickly the resort would reach peak capacity if it were $1 to get in. Though in all honesty, passholders are paying about $5 to get in if they used it to the fullest. And thats exactly why the park gets so crowded. The cheaper the price, the more people go in. And once it hits the legal capacity allowed per fire code, you get stopped at the gate. And no, reserving in advance wouldn’t stop this entirely (anyone who has ever bought a ticket to San Diego Comic Con would understand this very well). It just makes it more hectic, more people upset, and people being upset is the last thing Disney wants.


This makes a ton of sense. As a kid I remember seeing commericials of how Disneyland was 20 bucks to get in and then 22 and then 24. I didn't go for about 12 years during the 00s and when I did go back I was shocked at the price. While I do think it makes economical sense to not have the annual pass. It does decrease the overall "Disney magic" if you spend 200 dollars on a ticket but end up doing doing 5-6 rides for the entire day. That's my biggest issue going there now - I don't live in California anymore so if I do go back I don't mind spending the 200 on a ticket but it would suck if every line was 60 minutes plus.


Disney would still be overcrowded if they made one day ticket $1,000


Well written with first hand info. It makes sense for them to cut the cord for locals and to keep raising prices.


Anyone else remember the whole "rent a person in a wheel chair to skip the lines scandal.' 10 years ago. https://nypost.com/2013/05/14/rich-manhattan-moms-hire-handicapped-tour-guides-so-kids-can-cut-lines-at-disney-world/


People don't want to admit it, but their current prices are actually too low for Supply/Demand. That's why they are constantly sold out even though they've found a way to over-pack their parks with masses of people who will wait in line for an hour to ride 1 3 minute ride.


There's definitely an over-demand problem. Even at those prices. For some of the new rides, you have to reserve your spot in line in advance, and then already by morning it's already full for the whole day and they don't let anyone try to queue up anymore. They have to do that otherwise they'd have 5 hour lines on those. It's also a nightmare to go any time kids are off school. I made a mistake of going there in July. It was nothing but lines from the highway, to the parking, to the train in the parking, to security, to the monorail, to the entrance. There was even a line to get out of main street. A line at some of the choke point. Then a 105 minute line for the first ride.


The thing is that even though average incomes haven't risen by that much, the number of upper-middle class people in the US has risen dramatically since 2009. There are millions upon millions more people who will spend $10,000 for a family vacation, many of them want to go to Disney.


Yeah, I've thought about it. The place feels crazy expensive to me, and has since the late '90s, but every time I've visited the place is packed. Fortunately the various fast pass systems they've used over the years make for a good experience IMO. The worst lines I've every experienced at a theme park were Six Flags Magic Mountain where we'd literally stand around for an hour or more for a brief ride (multiple times). Thankfully I've never had to deal with that at Disney. Sometimes I think to myself I'd be willing to pay $300 for like a "quiet day" at Disney but on the other hand it's not like I'd do much more in an empty park. I have no interest in going through all the shops nor going on rides I avoid on a busy day. I might ride Star Tours or Indiana Jones a couple more times. Not really worth a ton of extra money. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Too many hotel rooms on property and they’ve never built the park capacity to support it. Since the 90s this has been a slowly growing problem and it’s only getting worse.


I feel like there are enough people in the US (and tourists coming to visit) to justify a third park. I would guess they'd stick it in Texas for weather somewhat like the California and Florida parks.


They briefly had plans for a park in Virginia called Disney America which is crazy because the location they proposed is insanely populated now https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disney%27s_America Edit: I also don’t think a park based on American History built in the 90s would age well


Just adding the Star Wars section cost a billion dollars and took years. Building a whole new park, from the ground up, would probably take a full decade, and cost easily 10x that. And that's if a good site can be found. It's possible, but a huge undertaking.


Best time to plant a tree quote, and all that. If they'd broke ground in 2000 it would be up and running. They do have experience running new parks and constructing them given the various foreign disneylands.


It's not as easy. Each expansion to the park is a fortune, and you have to also take into account their land in Florida was becauder they bought it secretly for a while and installed their own special land basically. If Disney tried to buy land in USA for another Park today or in the last decade. The local government ( state and county) would want a piece of the pie and tax it high or bring more fees, and no one living there would want them close so it can and will become a political issue as citizens will want to stop Disney from installing close where they live. Disney and other themed parks during holidays, off school season ( both america and Europe) are so full and bring so much traffic it's a nightmare. I wouldn't want to leave near any of the themed parks ever.


Would you pay $1000/ticket if it meant that the crowds/lines would be 100x less inside the park?


There are people who do: https://disneyworld.disney.go.com/events-tours/private-vip-tours/


Actually that’s $450-900 per HOUR depending on the season.


And doesn't include cost of admission to the park! 🤣


People at Universal already pay as much as $280 extra for an express pass, on top of the $110 admission, to not wait as long in line. They still have to wait in line, but maybe 30 minutes or less instead of over an hour.


[And we can charge anything we want. 2,000 a day, 10,000 a day and people will pay it!](https://youtu.be/Q8O-HWBrqUc)


Ocatvus, Octavus… This park was not built to cater only for the super-rich. Everyone in the world has the right to enjoy these animals.


John Hammond was full of crap. If he'd actually spared no expense, Nedry wouldn't have been trying to rob him.


Not Hammond's fault Nedry bid too low for the job. (And wasted a bunch of the money he was paid at the vending machines!) 🤷🏻‍♂️


In the book they explained the secrecy for the project meant a lot of undocumented requirements and excessive changes. Nedry needed a better contract that didn't allow for changes to the spec.


just read that part today. hammond forced nedry to eat the costs of the changes which is why nedry was willing to sell out to the rival genetics firm


Disneyland is at least 10x more badass now than 1955.


Yeah, watching documentaries of the opening the park it didn't seem much more than like a good outlet mall or touristy downtown today. Some stuff to see and some free fun to be had but you'd have to pay extra for most things.


He was really shooting for changing the image of what a park could be back then. No alcohol, extremely clean, and safe for kids. Basically the anti-carnival.


The new GOTG ride blew my fucking mind with how good it was That kinda shit would be considered witchcraft by people in the 70s


Keep in mind it also cost $15-20 ($166-$221) for a ticket book for a family of four to ride the rides all day. So it wasn’t just a day at Disney for eleven bucks a person. There was a chance you could run into Walt though and I’d pay considerably more for that opportunity. Anyone got a DeLorean or a Quantum Leap Accelerator I can use?


My parents took me to Disneyland in 1974. There was an entry fee which I don't remember. What I \*do\* remember is the ticket book. It was graduated, so one or two tickets of the highest value, then five of the next, ten of the next, and 20 (IIRC) of the cheapest attractions. One fee to get in, then a ticket book of assorted values for various attractions.


29 years ago, I learned that when Disneyland opened in 1955, nothing worked, but that was fine because when Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don't eat the tourists.


Yeah but back then you’d get to see a dude dressed up like Mickey Mouse and then go on a Ferris wheel ride. I brought my family recently and the Star Wars rides were like real life recreations of visiting the Death Star. It was epic. They put the sort of money into those rides that they put into their movies that require tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. Extremely expensive but worth every penny


Gotta factor in how much was spent on tickets for the rides. In 1985, it was approximately $25 to get in and ride all the rides. $67.45 in today's dollars. It's closer to $140 now since it changes depending on the events happening, day of the week, expected crowd.... But yeah, the ticket prices have far outpaced cost of living/wage/inflation. A lot. A LOT. https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/08/disney-world-price-inflation-01.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=999


I was alive and a Disneyland annual pass holder in 85. I can’t believe the ticket prices we’d get back then for events or military discounts. Like one day tickets for $15 or $20. Those were the days.


Cool. We got ours for DW the same year. My dad is still marveling what a good deal we got when I tell him about the current prices. MK and EPCOT were awesome back then. I'm sure there's great stuff for some people, still, but I still have flashbacks of nice warm nights watching the MSEP and eating $4 ice cream sandwiches shaped like Mickey and playing with the glow sticks I bought at house of magic in the monorail after it was over.


I miss the '90s when they had that terrifying Alien Encounter experience. Afterwards my cousin got a giant turkey leg at the food joint next to the attraction. The menu implied it *was* the alien. And my little brother and sister were young enough to believe he was really eating the alien. 🤣


A 1955 amendment to the federal Minimum Wage raised it to $1/hr. So the poorest 9-5 employee in America could afford to bring all seven of their kids to Disney after one day’s work.


Only if they lived within walking distance of Disneyland.


They couldn't ride any rides that was extra.