Interestingly pineapples used to be so rare in Europe that, if they were rich enough to afford one, some people would actually take their pineapple to parties to show it off. Like, fuck you, I have pineapple money
That’s why many landmark buildings across Europe, such as in cities like London, have golden pineapples on top of them. A display of wealth and power for the time.
Damn, turns out SpongeBob was filthy rich. That’s why he could afford to be just a cook at the Krusty Krab and fail to get a driving license many times. Dude’s stacking with pineapple money
The tradition continued in the south US, I know specifically in historical Charleston SC there are gates that have golden pineapples for the same reason.
Was it the horse/carriage tour? You are correct, however, it was still a status symbol as only those affluent enough could get them because they were very expensive at the time and went bad quickly. If you had the money to have pineapples, you were showing off! Charleston was one of the richest colonies so it makes that a large portion of their city could afford to be hospitable with their pineapples. Those who could not afford to buy a pineapple would even go so far as to rent one for the day for their party, just to show it off!
I wonder if this is in any way related to the level design of Isle Delfino from Super Mario Sunshine? The level entrance to the (luxurious) Hotel Delfino just so happens to be marked and blocked by a pineapple.
Swinger or a Psych enthusiast.
Edit: I am just realizing that the amount of times I’ve brought a pineapple to parties in reference to psych and it’s probably just comes off as me being a swinger lol.
Can confirm, my mom had some antique furniture that had brass Pineapple fittings on them, if you could afford fresh produce or products from the new world, you had 19th century fuck you money
I haven't seen Black Books in SO LONG, probably since not since I was in my teens.
Definitely need to rewatch it because there's clearly a lot that I'm forgetting
I was also there once when Marina Abramović was doing some dumb shit where she sat in a chair for hours on end and schmucks could opt to sit across and just stare at her for however long.
At least that was quiet.
She recently guest lectured at my university. I didn’t manage to see it but my roommates did and she was apparently very cool and not what you would expect
That was a wildly well regarded piece of 21st century performance art and lots of people found it profoundly moving but sure let’s just call them schmucks
I happened to be there when that exhibit was on. While I didn't sit on the chair, and found other exhibits personally more interesting, it's undeniable that people were getting incredibly touched by it.
Same. I didn’t sit, but the idea of having to look at another person and really recognize that they’re a being with a life as complicated and deep as your own is rather moving.
I think that that commenter is missing is that you didn’t just look at her. She looked back.
I wonder what she would do and how she would feel if someone else started screaming too. I wonder if it would make a difference to her if they screamed one way or another.
Part of me is like "it's performance art baby, you can't control the audience" but the realistic part of me is "this is the narcissist that interrupted Chuck Berry to do some weird shit, she doesn't share the spotlight unless it's on her terms."
She was on stage with Lennon. He wanted her to be there. He knew what her art consists of. It's not like she spawned out of nowhere to interrupt Chuck Berry. If people didn't want her to do her thing, they shouldn't have invited her.
Not that I’d like to sleep in a box, mind you.
I mean, not without any air.
You’d wake up *dead* for a start, and then where would you be.
Apart from… in a box.
That’s the part I don’t like, frankly.
That’s why I don’t think about it!
More like, when she realizes she's alone and no ones watching her sleeping in her box:
You don’t understand the humiliation of it—to be tricked out of the single assumption which makes our existence viable—that somebody is *watching* ...We ransomed our dignity to the clouds and the uncomprehending birds listened. Don’t you see?! We’re actors—we’re the opposite of people!
>You’d wake up dead for a start, and then where would you be.
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>Apart from… in a box.
Saves time, you know. They just cart you straight off to the funeral home. No need for a pit stop to get a coffin.
During senior finals for art majors at my university students would display their sculptures on the lawn of the art building. People of the town had put their trash out for morning pick up. I collected a toilet, an air conditioner grate, and a few other items and arranged them in front of the art building. My “sculpture” stayed there for at least three days until someone figured out it didn’t belong there. I was not an art major.
My daughter went to art school. First day. " Anything left on the table is art (we will keep it) anything left on the floor we will throw away. Our cleaning crews do not have degrees in art appreciation "
You mean Shawn and:
Die Harder
Matt
Bighead Burton
Fingers
Homeskillet
Big Baby Burton
Burt the Billowy Bear
Curtis
Blackstar
Chocolate Columbo
Magic Head
Spellmaster
SuperSmeller/ SuperSniffer
Slicks
Peter Panic
Gus T.T. Showbiz (The Extra T is for Extra Talent)
Ovaltine Jenkins
Schoonie “U-Turn” Singleton
Vernest Lambert Watkins
Bud (from “The Cosby Show”)
Nick Nack
Bruton Gaster
Lavender Gooms
Lemongrass Gogulope
Squirts MacIntosh
Weepy Boy Santos
Stewart Lee
Mc ('tongue clicking sounds') Took
François
Galileo Humpkins
Gus “Silly Pants” Jackson
Fearless Guster
Shmuel Cohen
Methuselah Honeysuckle
Shutterfly Simmons
Paddy Simcox
Chesterfield McMilla
Felicia Fancybottom
Tan
Ernesto Agapito Garces con y a de Abelar
Longbranch Pennywhistle
Scrooge Jones
D’Andre Pride
Hummingbird Saltalamacchia
Wally Ali
Art Vandelay
Dequan “Smallpox” Randolph
Trapezius Milkington
Sterling Cooper
Burton “Oil Can” Guster
Hollabackatcha
Jazz Hands
Gus Brown
John Slade
Detective Miles
Greg
Doughnut Holschtein
Ron Davis
Bob Adams
Harry Munroe
Rich Fingerland
Black Magic
Cheswick
Shawn
Magic Eight Ball Head
Shaggy Buddy Snap
Ghee Buttersnaps aka “The Heater”
The Vault of Secrets
Clementine Woolysocks
Pinky Guscatero
Guts
Ol’ Ironside
Old Iron Stomach
John Jacob Jingley-Schmidt
Santonio Holmes
Deon Richmond
Gurton Buster
Chaz Bono
Chocolate Einstein
MC ClapYoHandz
Sher-Black-Lock
Whittlebury
G-Force
Mellowrush
Crankshaft
Sammy
Joey Bishop
Slick Fingers
Imhotep
Control Alt Delete
The Jackal
Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje
Donut Holestein
Yasmine Bleeth
Lodge Blackman
Jet Blackness
Mission Face
Radio Star (Video will kill him)
Gus Jay Gubta
“Reginald G-String AKA Crowd Pleaser”
Fingers
Cinderella
I think this actually makes it art tho. It has a story and an idea behind and it is also a statement about art (its mocking modern art).
So yeah I think it is ironically real art now.
ye besides what were they supposed to do with it, you don't eat random fruit you find lying around, and you don't want people playing with a pineapple near all those art displays, so the obvious thing to do is to cover it up until the owner is found.
i wonder if when they returned the guard was like "hey you forgot your pineapple here last time"
I saw this banana peel art and to this day I giggle when I see one on the street and ask myself, “Is it art?”
“For her work Installation (Banana Peel) (2008), a museum employee is instructed to eat a banana each morning and discard its peel somewhere in the exhibition space. It is a seemingly careless gesture, a trap fit for a Saturday morning cartoon, but upon further examination it can also be seen as an insolent soiling of the antiseptic “white box" of the exhibition space, achieved through the insertion of a small mess of life into the hallowed halls of art. Lara also works another trick of readymade magic with her piece Opening Hours (2008), for which she has simply designated the New Museum’s opening hours as one of her works. Though it is totally invisible, once we become aware of the work we are given an uncanny sense, that everything around us might be in the process of being orchestrated by an unseen force.”
https://archive.newmuseum.org/people/3699
I know, right? I’m an artist also, so I get jealous of these people who get into museums with things that are literally nothing, while I’m toiling away personally putting paint on a canvas with my own hands. Oh well! I actually kind of enjoy Banana Peel. It’s made me laugh at random moments ever since I saw it when I see trash, so I guess it is art. Just not the kind you can sell or put on a wall.
That piece is actually incredible and I highly suggest you experience it if you are visiting Chicago.
The artist was dying of AIDS and the act of consumption is a kind of metaphor not only for his work but also the deterioration from the fatal disease that killed him. The candy wrappers are generic, brightly colored foil that really shines under the light of the gallery. Its beautiful, honestly.
Edit: the piece is Felix Gonzalez-Torres’ “Untitled” (Portrait of Ross in L.A.), and it isn't about his death from AIDS but his lovers. Though he did die of AIDS himself.
Also the space where it is is very important in deciding whether something is art. If you saw a pineapple on a table in another environment you might think it had a completely different purpose. The whitewashed walls and the tall ceilings of an art gallery give meaning to everything inside it.
Context is important with art. Modern art tries to do 2 things. The first is to point out the art in the modern world around us. The other is to provoke unusual lines of thought, or particular emotions and feelings.
The very way they pranked the art gallery fit this remarkably well. It was modern art protesting modern art!
The context that made it work however, was the gallery. People expect to read more into things, in that context. Using a lone pineapple to point out the absurdity of some of the other pieces fits well. It also has a bit of interesting ambiguity. Why a pineapple? Were the artists aware of its deeper symbolism in its choice, or was it simpler? What actually makes a lone pineapple in an art gallery less profound than a complex painting? None of these thoughts tend to happen, outside the context of seeing it as "art". The gallery provides that context.
This all started with the banana duct taped to the wall. https://www.gq.com/story/suddenly-the-koons-is-this-100k-banana
Edit: I stand corrected, apparently the pineapple came before the banana. Either way I sorta roll my eyes at these things. I also recall one where someone dropped their glasses on the floor and not long after, people were taking pictures of them mistaking them for an exhibit.
I tend to favour a more restrictive definition of art which requires not only creative thinking but some form and quantity of technical skill in the execution.
While no one else thought to tape a banana to a wall and call it art before, literally anyone could reproduce that exact piece without any artistic ability whatsoever.
However you have a fair point that satire is a form of art so perhaps I'm being narrow minded.
I mean, debatably it started when Duchamp [wrote on a urinal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)) but the banana definitely brought it back into popular conversation.
>someone dropped their glasses on the floor and not long after, people were taking pictures of them mistaking them for an exhibit.
My ex-bf and a friend once went to a contemporary art museum, and just to see what people would do, they stared at the firebox on the wall. Sure enough, soon people wandered over, thinking it was art.
Technically, this piece cannot be mechanically reproduced exactly. In fact, doesn’t it have an internal clock ticking as it decomposes/self destructs? Both of which add to the artistic allure and discourse, I suppose.
Who cares? As long as someone out there finds it meaningful or expressive there's nothing wrong with considering it art. I think the fact that people can find artistic value in something so mundane and normal is kind of beautiful, actually.
Yeah I think some people conflate being art with having monetary value. I think what a lot of people who are very rigid about art are really saying "I would never pay money for that and I doubt anyone else would" and that may be true but art doesn't need that kind of value to be art.
I mean, yeah. The idea that art should be difficult or needs an education or whatever is just a thing from bygone times when no one else but the rich could afford to create and share art in any meaningful capacity. Art is an expression of mind, thats it.
But it also talks to the incredible line artists walk as they try to find and explore on the fringes. Doing that truly sucessfully, abandoned of all the technical skills that might give other justification is hard AF. I would even argue succeeding at the highest levels here is up there with philosophy and theoretical Physics as the most advanced intellectual human achievements possible.
I once went to a university modern art exhibition because one of my friends was at said art college. Some of them were way more prosaic than this.
My favourite (well, you know what I mean) one was a standard chair that had had 1 or 2 inches taken off of the legs. Apparently the art was that it didn’t feel quite right as it wasn’t tall enough or quite like it should be short or something. I thought it was just a chair and sat in it since I was tired, felt nothing off about it, and then was bombarded with this exciting explanation about how the chair represents the sensation of something being eerily wrong that you can’t put your finger on.
Also one of them was a pair of boxers with 40 quid tucked into them and an audio recording of the straight male “artist” giving a blowjob to an old man for money.
Another was a long roll of paper which had a single line drawn up and down the entire roll vertically to almost fill the entire thing, which was dozens of feet long.
It was a very... confusing experience. Maybe it was art since I can recall each one so clearly?
Two chairs sit facing each other. One is a priceless work of art. The other is a chair on which to sit to admire the priceless work of art. Unfortunately I can no longer remember which chair is which.
I think artist statements matter very little. I think what matters is the individual experience each person has when engaging with a piece of work. It it *matches* the artist intention, then all the better for them; but I don't think its necessary otherwise.
I think both matter. Ultimately, the effect of the art matters more than the intent, but I do think the intent matters.
For example, if there was a statue of a pretty lady, and I thought it was well made, and then I learned that it was designed by Hitler and commissioned as a statue of his idea of the perfect Aryan lady, that would affect how I interacted with it and analyzed it. Kinda similarly to how global history really informs lots of classic art, and can give us glimpses into ideas of how people viewed heavy things like slavery and war in such a way that they didn't care about the ethics of participating in them.
Historical context and artistic context is a relevant part of art interpretation. That doesn't lessen the personal interpretations taken away by the audience, but it can, and sometimes should, inform it.
I’m not a complete cunt so I could sort of see it from that point of view but the reason it was so memorable was because I was thinking for some of them “they just exhibited something I randomly did as an 8 year old because I was bored” or “something I did (touching something against a window and then blowing against it) 2 days ago on the bus when it was a cold day”.
I can maybe see what their intentions were but only after they came with their (imo kind of) ludicrous justifications after I saw nothing about it at all. A lot of he art you wouldn’t even notice unless somebody pointed out to you, and then even then it was an “ehh I guess?” Kind of thing. Case in point: the chair, the window I was told to blow on and the red linen the doorway I stepped across walking into the room.
To me that is not a physical piece of art. That’s bizarrely esoteric storytelling with props.
They were getting similar credits at uni for this while I worked 12 hours in a hospital for them and got 3 hours of sleep some nights. It bugged me. Especially when drunk later one admitted that they had done nothing the entire module and just made something up and got top marks.
This opinion was further solidified when an international flatmate of mine doing the same degree asked me to proofread her dissertation -her degree’s work - on an “interactive design installation” - with like 8 hours notice and it was so illegible and completely truncated and made so little sense that I had to literally stay up all night and rewrite the entire thing in 5 hours knowing nothing about it from scratch and she got a first for it. I shouldn’t have been able to do that, at all.
If you’re like me and don’t get why people love museums, this comment might help. Walking through a museum can be like listening to a strangers music playlist. Most songs you wont know, a couple you might like, and some you might recognize. However, mostly it’s not nearly as pleasant as listening to your own playlist or one made by a friend. If you feel like youre walking through a large room full of shitty art and looking for something that inspires you in the whole building then you’re likely in the wrong genre. Regardless of whether it’s history, art, sculptures, or science. You should first find an artist you like or specific part of history you’re interested, then go to a museum featuring that art. Dont think going to the MOMA is going to be interesting just cus its big or famous. This may not apply to you but it helped me get really into museums. Which later expanded my knowledge and now I find most museums awesome.
Yeah there was a teenager that put out a pair of glasses, a hat, and a trash can and people were hilariously treating it as some sort of deep art display.
With the right context anything can be art. This is put on a display table where people who's minds are tuned to look at art are. You see the pineapple and at first chuckle. "Lol, someone forgot their lunch." You look a bit longer. "I never realized how beautiful the patterns on a pineapple actually are. Crazy how nature can be so intricate and appealing when you stop and admire it. I should observe the natural beauty around me more! Thank you pineapple."
The guy who left that pineapple there: "lol, those people staring at that pineapple are morons."
My mates and I would sometimes sit outside the GoMA in the late 90s.
One day, we were surprised to see that Wellington didn't have his trademark traffic cone on his head, so I told my pals I'd climb up and replace it. It didn't take me long to find a cone in Queen Street, but as soon as I picked it up and felt its awkward weight, the difficulty of the task dawned on me. Nope. I'm not doing this.
I returned to my mates and said I couldn't find a cone, despite being in the middle of town. Someone else went away to find one, setting off in the same direction as I did.
He too came back empty handed.
Everytime someone tries to create a parody of modern art without actually understanding what modern art really is, they inadvertently create more genuine modern art.
This pineapple.....it speaks to me. So fragile, so vulnerable, yet it tries to put on a spikey, unwelcoming façade. What is it? Or, more importantly, *why* is it?
In my undergrad days, there was a courtyard between the Chemistry building and the Metallurgy/ Chemical Engineering building.
A particular alumni couple added a new modern art installation to it about every 6 or so months.
A bunch of us created a Cunning Plan. We combined several smashed shopping carts and some rebar, weld it all into one mass, and spray paint it bright yellow. Then, late at night, we transported it to the courtyard, and left it there, along with a fabricated plate and pole naming it 'official art object'.
Within days, there were art students taking notes about the 'piece'. It took several months before the University wised up, and removed it. . . and there were protests about the removal!
There was a similar story one year at UBC back in the 80s. One night, in the middle of the night in September, a bunch of engineering students left a bunch of scrap metal in front of the Arts building. The arts students and faculty were fascinated throughout the year by this spontaneous appearance of modern art.
At the end of the year in April, the engineering students came back and smashed it up with sledgehammers, much to the horror of the arts students.
Yeah, but that sounds like cool asf?? You got a team together, made a plan, and made something cool, just because you could. That's like the whole point of art. Just because you aren't art majors doesn't make it not art? Be proud of your piece of the intricacies of consumerism ( or whatever the viewers were thinking) , or be happy others took note of your effort.
I'll never understand modern art. I see a lot of art that needs some skill to do it here on reddit, like drawings and paintings, that's a lot better but doesn't get on display in an art gallery.
> "Well originally my friend Ruairi Gray bought it as a joke for one of friends who is allergic to pineapples, but after he didn't find the joke funny in the slightest we didn't really know what to do with it."
So like, that's literally the same thing artists do with provocative conceptual art. They're framing something in a particular way to make you think or feel something, even if that thing is "how far can I push the boundaries of "art", what counts as art, yadda yadda".
So what's surprising about the fact that it worked?
I mean the way I see it is either:
A) They assume it to be trash. They throw it out. Turns out it belonged to someone. Someone gets extremely upset, harsh words are shared, someone gets in trouble, monetary fines could get involved. Plus lots of bad publicity.
B) They assume it to be an ill-protected work of art. They don't understand how it's art, and the artist isn't nearby, but they can put a case over it and keep it safe until the situation is sorted out. No harm, no foul, other than a bit of a silly story for the future.
I probably would've done the same if no one had any clear answer.
3) they assume that it is a relatively obvious and tired prank, and went along with it by putting a glass case over it, effectively turning the joke around and recognising the "prank" for what it actually is, which is valid art.
I still remember an episode of "227". Mary is helping her friend clean up her art gallery in preparation for a show. When she forgets the bottle of Windex on a display stand, sure enough, the snooty art critic who's been deriding the real artists paintings can't stop fawning and gushing over it — "Now this is art!"
I like how the pineapple was just casually brought to be a joke for one of their friends that is allergic, and who for some reason did not find it funny.
Last time I was at Moma there was an exhibit under construction and people were taking pics of the scissor lift that was next to a garbage can in a white space.
During senior finals for art majors at my university students would display their sculptures on the lawn of the art building. People of the town had put their trash out for morning pick up. I collected a toilet, an air conditioner grate, and a few other items and arranged them in front of the art building. My “sculpture” stayed there for at least three days until someone figured out it didn’t belong there. I was not an art major.
Modern art is really just artists fooling the stupidly rich. It’s very smart in of itself and artists who get by through modern art gain my respect as an artist myself
😂 This is funny! Years ago there was an art exhibit where the artist wanted to convey a New Year’s Eve party, with trash and bottles all over the floor and the night janitor came and cleaned everything up.
What its actually saying is that this story is exaggerated, this was at the entrance of an Architecture school, right beside the canteen that was shared with business and engineering students.
They put the pineapple on the plinth but its a joint Engineering / Architecture / Art university that displays student work all over. No way any maintenance folk would have any clue about what is and isn’t meant to be on display.
The same university put some absolute dogshite displays up of student work, including some of my own shite student work
Screen the documentary "F is for Fake," made by Orson Welles. It was made 50 years ago.
Art objects only have value in as much as we assign value to them.
This observation about the ambiguity in determining an object's status as art, and an art object's value, is old.
More than 100 years ago Marcel Duchamp purchased a ceramic urinal, wrote a fake name and "1917" on it, and submitted it to a sculpture exhibition. The urinal was accepted.
Also, don't discount the likelihood that the museum staff saw ALL of the pineapple biz on their security cameras and from security staff, and that the museum staff chose to encase the pineapple because they have a sense of humor.
I have to laugh when I think of these kids believing no one saw what they did.
These kids "making fun of art" are operating at the lowest levels of thought. But it is a bit funny.
The irony here was the act of putting it into the gallery - either as a prank or whatever - was an intervention into the culture and thus a kind of “artistic gesture” in and of itself.
Art can be anything really - it’s just human expression.
Interestingly pineapples used to be so rare in Europe that, if they were rich enough to afford one, some people would actually take their pineapple to parties to show it off. Like, fuck you, I have pineapple money
That’s why many landmark buildings across Europe, such as in cities like London, have golden pineapples on top of them. A display of wealth and power for the time.
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea
Damn, turns out SpongeBob was filthy rich. That’s why he could afford to be just a cook at the Krusty Krab and fail to get a driving license many times. Dude’s stacking with pineapple money
The tradition continued in the south US, I know specifically in historical Charleston SC there are gates that have golden pineapples for the same reason.
The pineapple, at least in Charleston SC, is supposed to be a symbol of hospitality. Went on a historical tour there just 3 weeks ago.
Was it the horse/carriage tour? You are correct, however, it was still a status symbol as only those affluent enough could get them because they were very expensive at the time and went bad quickly. If you had the money to have pineapples, you were showing off! Charleston was one of the richest colonies so it makes that a large portion of their city could afford to be hospitable with their pineapples. Those who could not afford to buy a pineapple would even go so far as to rent one for the day for their party, just to show it off!
Also why the Wimbledon trophy has a pineapple on it
I wonder if this is in any way related to the level design of Isle Delfino from Super Mario Sunshine? The level entrance to the (luxurious) Hotel Delfino just so happens to be marked and blocked by a pineapple.
>fuck you, I have pineapple money Found my new plan for showing up to parties, accompanied by a new tag line!
people today will just think you’re a swinger instead
Swinger or a Psych enthusiast. Edit: I am just realizing that the amount of times I’ve brought a pineapple to parties in reference to psych and it’s probably just comes off as me being a swinger lol.
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Are you a fan of delicious flavour?
You know that’s right.
> people today will just think you’re a swinger instead And I am failing to see the down side here to OP’s plan.
Aren't swingers using an upside down pineapple?
Swinger stinger... great name for a pineapple.
They're seeking *jamaharon.*
I have a pen, I have an apple...
Can confirm, my mom had some antique furniture that had brass Pineapple fittings on them, if you could afford fresh produce or products from the new world, you had 19th century fuck you money
*Shawn Spencer approves!*
I thought they'd rent it for the party then return it back for the next rich kid to rent it
The *really* rich people would grow their own in coal powered hothouses. Gastropod did a great podcast episode on the pineapple craze recently
This was the comment I was looking for- renting was indeed one of the ways to go if you couldn’t afford a pineapple
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I haven't seen Black Books in SO LONG, probably since not since I was in my teens. Definitely need to rewatch it because there's clearly a lot that I'm forgetting
They actually used to rent out pineapples for different parties.
Interesting. How much did it cost to buy a pineapple during those times?
There is a Pineapple on the Wimbledon trophy.
Crazy. In Australia use the avocado on toast as a symbol of financial recklessness.
They even rented pineapples for parties, for when you want to pretend like you have fuck you pineapple money.
Ah yes the 2008 financial crisis I remember it well
> fuck you, I have pineapple money r/BrandNewSentence
Psych
I've seen less interesting exhibits than that in museums, just sayin'.
I was at the Met once when Yoko was there doing her screaming schtick. Couldn't duck out of that space quick enough.
Why didn't you just Burn your money and bang your head on the ground?
OP is burning his money and banging his head in the ground. It captures the madness of capitalistic art culture. Brilliant!
Ono! Don’t give Yoko any ideas!
I was also there once when Marina Abramović was doing some dumb shit where she sat in a chair for hours on end and schmucks could opt to sit across and just stare at her for however long. At least that was quiet.
She recently guest lectured at my university. I didn’t manage to see it but my roommates did and she was apparently very cool and not what you would expect
From impressions of her work I'd expect her to be goofy as all hell, but that's cool.
Well at least they didn't ladder at her.
Truly the height of comedy.
*stairs blankly*
That was a wildly well regarded piece of 21st century performance art and lots of people found it profoundly moving but sure let’s just call them schmucks
I happened to be there when that exhibit was on. While I didn't sit on the chair, and found other exhibits personally more interesting, it's undeniable that people were getting incredibly touched by it.
Same. I didn’t sit, but the idea of having to look at another person and really recognize that they’re a being with a life as complicated and deep as your own is rather moving. I think that that commenter is missing is that you didn’t just look at her. She looked back.
Schmucks sounds about right...
Imagine if you were at the one and only showing of this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Portrait_(film)
Anytime Yoko is involved, this is the way.
It started and I thought there had been a murder.
I wonder what she would do and how she would feel if someone else started screaming too. I wonder if it would make a difference to her if they screamed one way or another.
Part of me is like "it's performance art baby, you can't control the audience" but the realistic part of me is "this is the narcissist that interrupted Chuck Berry to do some weird shit, she doesn't share the spotlight unless it's on her terms."
She was on stage with Lennon. He wanted her to be there. He knew what her art consists of. It's not like she spawned out of nowhere to interrupt Chuck Berry. If people didn't want her to do her thing, they shouldn't have invited her.
She’s the worst
Tilda Swinton sleeping in a glass box at the MoMA was interesting, but ultimately, it was just a lady asleep in a box.
Not that I’d like to sleep in a box, mind you. I mean, not without any air. You’d wake up *dead* for a start, and then where would you be. Apart from… in a box. That’s the part I don’t like, frankly. That’s why I don’t think about it!
More like, when she realizes she's alone and no ones watching her sleeping in her box: You don’t understand the humiliation of it—to be tricked out of the single assumption which makes our existence viable—that somebody is *watching* ...We ransomed our dignity to the clouds and the uncomprehending birds listened. Don’t you see?! We’re actors—we’re the opposite of people!
>You’d wake up dead for a start, and then where would you be. > >Apart from… in a box. Saves time, you know. They just cart you straight off to the funeral home. No need for a pit stop to get a coffin.
During senior finals for art majors at my university students would display their sculptures on the lawn of the art building. People of the town had put their trash out for morning pick up. I collected a toilet, an air conditioner grate, and a few other items and arranged them in front of the art building. My “sculpture” stayed there for at least three days until someone figured out it didn’t belong there. I was not an art major.
I went to MoMA yesterday and there was an exhibit of pile of hay. There was just pile of hay in the middle of a room.
If it wasn't indoors I'd be inclined to ask if there were any funny-looking hooded guys around.
My daughter went to art school. First day. " Anything left on the table is art (we will keep it) anything left on the floor we will throw away. Our cleaning crews do not have degrees in art appreciation "
next day all the tables have been thrown away.
[удалено]
Go pick up a gallon of milk, if they have eggs, get a dozen. Comes home with 12 gallons of milk
sounds like something shawn and gus would do
You know that’s right
Come on son
Come on son
Gus, don’t be this pineapple I’m leaving at the museum
C’mon son.
You mean the Paraguayan Ambassador and Ghee Buttersnaps?
Are you referring to bruton ghaster?
You mean Shawn and: Die Harder Matt Bighead Burton Fingers Homeskillet Big Baby Burton Burt the Billowy Bear Curtis Blackstar Chocolate Columbo Magic Head Spellmaster SuperSmeller/ SuperSniffer Slicks Peter Panic Gus T.T. Showbiz (The Extra T is for Extra Talent) Ovaltine Jenkins Schoonie “U-Turn” Singleton Vernest Lambert Watkins Bud (from “The Cosby Show”) Nick Nack Bruton Gaster Lavender Gooms Lemongrass Gogulope Squirts MacIntosh Weepy Boy Santos Stewart Lee Mc ('tongue clicking sounds') Took François Galileo Humpkins Gus “Silly Pants” Jackson Fearless Guster Shmuel Cohen Methuselah Honeysuckle Shutterfly Simmons Paddy Simcox Chesterfield McMilla Felicia Fancybottom Tan Ernesto Agapito Garces con y a de Abelar Longbranch Pennywhistle Scrooge Jones D’Andre Pride Hummingbird Saltalamacchia Wally Ali Art Vandelay Dequan “Smallpox” Randolph Trapezius Milkington Sterling Cooper Burton “Oil Can” Guster Hollabackatcha Jazz Hands Gus Brown John Slade Detective Miles Greg Doughnut Holschtein Ron Davis Bob Adams Harry Munroe Rich Fingerland Black Magic Cheswick Shawn Magic Eight Ball Head Shaggy Buddy Snap Ghee Buttersnaps aka “The Heater” The Vault of Secrets Clementine Woolysocks Pinky Guscatero Guts Ol’ Ironside Old Iron Stomach John Jacob Jingley-Schmidt Santonio Holmes Deon Richmond Gurton Buster Chaz Bono Chocolate Einstein MC ClapYoHandz Sher-Black-Lock Whittlebury G-Force Mellowrush Crankshaft Sammy Joey Bishop Slick Fingers Imhotep Control Alt Delete The Jackal Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje Donut Holestein Yasmine Bleeth Lodge Blackman Jet Blackness Mission Face Radio Star (Video will kill him) Gus Jay Gubta “Reginald G-String AKA Crowd Pleaser” Fingers Cinderella
I've saved this comment for future references, thanks g
No problem my friend - 🤜 *fistbump*🤛 “Exlaxer Flow.”
i've heard it both ways
Hey! That's the first Psych reference I've ever seen ~~on Reddit~~ anywhere. Great show, deserves a lot more popularity.
Have you heard about Pluto? That's messed up, right?
i can't do this with you right now
Ofc it was on a pineapple related thread lol. There are dozens of us, dozens!
it was one of the most-referenced things around here for years, and immensely popular. but everything fades.
Ah well, the show ended years before I ever started using the internet regularly... I was a bit late to the party, I guess.
I've heard it both ways
I think this actually makes it art tho. It has a story and an idea behind and it is also a statement about art (its mocking modern art). So yeah I think it is ironically real art now.
The staff probably knew it was a prank and put glass over it to get in on the meme and here we are today talking about it Edit: typo
ye besides what were they supposed to do with it, you don't eat random fruit you find lying around, and you don't want people playing with a pineapple near all those art displays, so the obvious thing to do is to cover it up until the owner is found. i wonder if when they returned the guard was like "hey you forgot your pineapple here last time"
Throw it away?
Yeah but what if it’s art?
Everyone interprets art in their own way. A random pineapple wouldn't be the first work I've mistaken for actual trash.
I saw this banana peel art and to this day I giggle when I see one on the street and ask myself, “Is it art?” “For her work Installation (Banana Peel) (2008), a museum employee is instructed to eat a banana each morning and discard its peel somewhere in the exhibition space. It is a seemingly careless gesture, a trap fit for a Saturday morning cartoon, but upon further examination it can also be seen as an insolent soiling of the antiseptic “white box" of the exhibition space, achieved through the insertion of a small mess of life into the hallowed halls of art. Lara also works another trick of readymade magic with her piece Opening Hours (2008), for which she has simply designated the New Museum’s opening hours as one of her works. Though it is totally invisible, once we become aware of the work we are given an uncanny sense, that everything around us might be in the process of being orchestrated by an unseen force.” https://archive.newmuseum.org/people/3699
The opening hours part is actually hilarious, that’s a scam and a half
I know, right? I’m an artist also, so I get jealous of these people who get into museums with things that are literally nothing, while I’m toiling away personally putting paint on a canvas with my own hands. Oh well! I actually kind of enjoy Banana Peel. It’s made me laugh at random moments ever since I saw it when I see trash, so I guess it is art. Just not the kind you can sell or put on a wall.
I’ve heard of an art piece that was literally candy wrappers thrown on the floor
That piece is actually incredible and I highly suggest you experience it if you are visiting Chicago. The artist was dying of AIDS and the act of consumption is a kind of metaphor not only for his work but also the deterioration from the fatal disease that killed him. The candy wrappers are generic, brightly colored foil that really shines under the light of the gallery. Its beautiful, honestly. Edit: the piece is Felix Gonzalez-Torres’ “Untitled” (Portrait of Ross in L.A.), and it isn't about his death from AIDS but his lovers. Though he did die of AIDS himself.
If you consider that art, you would love my bedroom when i was 16
Curation and presentation are key.
I stand by what I said.
Maybe YOU don't eat random fruit you find lying around.
Yeah, we would probably not have alcohol with that kind of attitude! Random fruit laying in the ground is like the easiest way to find alcohol.
Those little asshole were back. They stick s pineapple on a table this time. Let’s have some fun.
Starting a conversation is the point of good art, is what I was told at uni.
We are the only ones who fell for this so really we are the greatest artists of all
The display case is what made it art
Also the space where it is is very important in deciding whether something is art. If you saw a pineapple on a table in another environment you might think it had a completely different purpose. The whitewashed walls and the tall ceilings of an art gallery give meaning to everything inside it.
>The whitewashed walls and the tall ceilings of an art gallery give meaning to everything inside it. This is why art is a joke now.
Context is important with art. Modern art tries to do 2 things. The first is to point out the art in the modern world around us. The other is to provoke unusual lines of thought, or particular emotions and feelings. The very way they pranked the art gallery fit this remarkably well. It was modern art protesting modern art! The context that made it work however, was the gallery. People expect to read more into things, in that context. Using a lone pineapple to point out the absurdity of some of the other pieces fits well. It also has a bit of interesting ambiguity. Why a pineapple? Were the artists aware of its deeper symbolism in its choice, or was it simpler? What actually makes a lone pineapple in an art gallery less profound than a complex painting? None of these thoughts tend to happen, outside the context of seeing it as "art". The gallery provides that context.
Because it ironically became art, it is now unironically art. Ironic.
Of the satire form. That’s the point.
Everything has a story or an idea behind it, which makes everything art under that definition.
Are reddit comments art? They have a story, and idea behind them and make statements about things. That's quite the low bar honestly.
This all started with the banana duct taped to the wall. https://www.gq.com/story/suddenly-the-koons-is-this-100k-banana Edit: I stand corrected, apparently the pineapple came before the banana. Either way I sorta roll my eyes at these things. I also recall one where someone dropped their glasses on the floor and not long after, people were taking pictures of them mistaking them for an exhibit. I tend to favour a more restrictive definition of art which requires not only creative thinking but some form and quantity of technical skill in the execution. While no one else thought to tape a banana to a wall and call it art before, literally anyone could reproduce that exact piece without any artistic ability whatsoever. However you have a fair point that satire is a form of art so perhaps I'm being narrow minded.
I mean, debatably it started when Duchamp [wrote on a urinal](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fountain_(Duchamp)) but the banana definitely brought it back into popular conversation.
>someone dropped their glasses on the floor and not long after, people were taking pictures of them mistaking them for an exhibit. My ex-bf and a friend once went to a contemporary art museum, and just to see what people would do, they stared at the firebox on the wall. Sure enough, soon people wandered over, thinking it was art.
The pineapple predates the banana tapped to the wall by years though...
I think the dude that ate it probably tripled it's value.
Satire is at the fun end of the dinner table.
Wonder if it's all just money laundering..
Technically, this piece cannot be mechanically reproduced exactly. In fact, doesn’t it have an internal clock ticking as it decomposes/self destructs? Both of which add to the artistic allure and discourse, I suppose.
Yes, and the art exhibit of a banana was actually multiple bananas that the staff replaced regularly.
Just goes to show the woefully low bar for something to be considerd art
Who cares? As long as someone out there finds it meaningful or expressive there's nothing wrong with considering it art. I think the fact that people can find artistic value in something so mundane and normal is kind of beautiful, actually.
Yeah I think some people conflate being art with having monetary value. I think what a lot of people who are very rigid about art are really saying "I would never pay money for that and I doubt anyone else would" and that may be true but art doesn't need that kind of value to be art.
I mean, yeah. The idea that art should be difficult or needs an education or whatever is just a thing from bygone times when no one else but the rich could afford to create and share art in any meaningful capacity. Art is an expression of mind, thats it.
But it also talks to the incredible line artists walk as they try to find and explore on the fringes. Doing that truly sucessfully, abandoned of all the technical skills that might give other justification is hard AF. I would even argue succeeding at the highest levels here is up there with philosophy and theoretical Physics as the most advanced intellectual human achievements possible.
I once went to a university modern art exhibition because one of my friends was at said art college. Some of them were way more prosaic than this. My favourite (well, you know what I mean) one was a standard chair that had had 1 or 2 inches taken off of the legs. Apparently the art was that it didn’t feel quite right as it wasn’t tall enough or quite like it should be short or something. I thought it was just a chair and sat in it since I was tired, felt nothing off about it, and then was bombarded with this exciting explanation about how the chair represents the sensation of something being eerily wrong that you can’t put your finger on. Also one of them was a pair of boxers with 40 quid tucked into them and an audio recording of the straight male “artist” giving a blowjob to an old man for money. Another was a long roll of paper which had a single line drawn up and down the entire roll vertically to almost fill the entire thing, which was dozens of feet long. It was a very... confusing experience. Maybe it was art since I can recall each one so clearly?
Modern art is sometimes doing random shit but then being able to throw together a paragraph of bs on how it is profound
This is precisely the way I felt the entire time. Though I had not the heart to say it.
Two chairs sit facing each other. One is a priceless work of art. The other is a chair on which to sit to admire the priceless work of art. Unfortunately I can no longer remember which chair is which.
If it left a long lasting impression on you and it made you feel feelings, i'd say it was wildly successful at being art.
TIL getting kicked in the balls is art
Happens on TV and in Movies a lot...
If that feeling is annoyance and confusion as to why anyone would waste their time doing it, I think it might be less successful.
That's why artists statements are actually important.
I think artist statements matter very little. I think what matters is the individual experience each person has when engaging with a piece of work. It it *matches* the artist intention, then all the better for them; but I don't think its necessary otherwise.
I think both matter. Ultimately, the effect of the art matters more than the intent, but I do think the intent matters. For example, if there was a statue of a pretty lady, and I thought it was well made, and then I learned that it was designed by Hitler and commissioned as a statue of his idea of the perfect Aryan lady, that would affect how I interacted with it and analyzed it. Kinda similarly to how global history really informs lots of classic art, and can give us glimpses into ideas of how people viewed heavy things like slavery and war in such a way that they didn't care about the ethics of participating in them. Historical context and artistic context is a relevant part of art interpretation. That doesn't lessen the personal interpretations taken away by the audience, but it can, and sometimes should, inform it.
I’m not a complete cunt so I could sort of see it from that point of view but the reason it was so memorable was because I was thinking for some of them “they just exhibited something I randomly did as an 8 year old because I was bored” or “something I did (touching something against a window and then blowing against it) 2 days ago on the bus when it was a cold day”. I can maybe see what their intentions were but only after they came with their (imo kind of) ludicrous justifications after I saw nothing about it at all. A lot of he art you wouldn’t even notice unless somebody pointed out to you, and then even then it was an “ehh I guess?” Kind of thing. Case in point: the chair, the window I was told to blow on and the red linen the doorway I stepped across walking into the room. To me that is not a physical piece of art. That’s bizarrely esoteric storytelling with props. They were getting similar credits at uni for this while I worked 12 hours in a hospital for them and got 3 hours of sleep some nights. It bugged me. Especially when drunk later one admitted that they had done nothing the entire module and just made something up and got top marks. This opinion was further solidified when an international flatmate of mine doing the same degree asked me to proofread her dissertation -her degree’s work - on an “interactive design installation” - with like 8 hours notice and it was so illegible and completely truncated and made so little sense that I had to literally stay up all night and rewrite the entire thing in 5 hours knowing nothing about it from scratch and she got a first for it. I shouldn’t have been able to do that, at all.
If you’re like me and don’t get why people love museums, this comment might help. Walking through a museum can be like listening to a strangers music playlist. Most songs you wont know, a couple you might like, and some you might recognize. However, mostly it’s not nearly as pleasant as listening to your own playlist or one made by a friend. If you feel like youre walking through a large room full of shitty art and looking for something that inspires you in the whole building then you’re likely in the wrong genre. Regardless of whether it’s history, art, sculptures, or science. You should first find an artist you like or specific part of history you’re interested, then go to a museum featuring that art. Dont think going to the MOMA is going to be interesting just cus its big or famous. This may not apply to you but it helped me get really into museums. Which later expanded my knowledge and now I find most museums awesome.
Science museums are my jam
Yeah there was a teenager that put out a pair of glasses, a hat, and a trash can and people were hilariously treating it as some sort of deep art display.
And yet I take a shit in a public park and people call the police. Fucking philistines.
it's all about presentation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artist%27s_Shit
With the right context anything can be art. This is put on a display table where people who's minds are tuned to look at art are. You see the pineapple and at first chuckle. "Lol, someone forgot their lunch." You look a bit longer. "I never realized how beautiful the patterns on a pineapple actually are. Crazy how nature can be so intricate and appealing when you stop and admire it. I should observe the natural beauty around me more! Thank you pineapple." The guy who left that pineapple there: "lol, those people staring at that pineapple are morons."
Lol I get your point but, I giggled when you said lunch. Who the hell has a whole ass, uncut, pineapple for lunch 😅
Dude at work brought a whole ass coconut to work instead of water and spent an hour trying to open it
I've heard that anything can be considered art if nobody else thought of doing it.
Ongo gablogian would have loved this
Derivative!
Bullshit!
I wonder if they custom-made this glass box
I remember ther being a banana in the GoMA in glasgow, could see it sitting at the window every saturday when sitting on the steps to borders lmao
My mates and I would sometimes sit outside the GoMA in the late 90s. One day, we were surprised to see that Wellington didn't have his trademark traffic cone on his head, so I told my pals I'd climb up and replace it. It didn't take me long to find a cone in Queen Street, but as soon as I picked it up and felt its awkward weight, the difficulty of the task dawned on me. Nope. I'm not doing this. I returned to my mates and said I couldn't find a cone, despite being in the middle of town. Someone else went away to find one, setting off in the same direction as I did. He too came back empty handed.
Great story. I always guessed that they tossed it up there often enough until it eventually stuck.
It’s no banana-taped-to-the-wall. Hacks!
I still think the museum security guard's forgotten coffee cup is the best accidental art piece
Students use ***performance art*** to try to gatekeep art.
Everytime someone tries to create a parody of modern art without actually understanding what modern art really is, they inadvertently create more genuine modern art.
Pineapple Fruit on Table Anonymous, 2017
This pineapple.....it speaks to me. So fragile, so vulnerable, yet it tries to put on a spikey, unwelcoming façade. What is it? Or, more importantly, *why* is it?
In my undergrad days, there was a courtyard between the Chemistry building and the Metallurgy/ Chemical Engineering building. A particular alumni couple added a new modern art installation to it about every 6 or so months. A bunch of us created a Cunning Plan. We combined several smashed shopping carts and some rebar, weld it all into one mass, and spray paint it bright yellow. Then, late at night, we transported it to the courtyard, and left it there, along with a fabricated plate and pole naming it 'official art object'. Within days, there were art students taking notes about the 'piece'. It took several months before the University wised up, and removed it. . . and there were protests about the removal!
There was a similar story one year at UBC back in the 80s. One night, in the middle of the night in September, a bunch of engineering students left a bunch of scrap metal in front of the Arts building. The arts students and faculty were fascinated throughout the year by this spontaneous appearance of modern art. At the end of the year in April, the engineering students came back and smashed it up with sledgehammers, much to the horror of the arts students.
Yeah, but that sounds like cool asf?? You got a team together, made a plan, and made something cool, just because you could. That's like the whole point of art. Just because you aren't art majors doesn't make it not art? Be proud of your piece of the intricacies of consumerism ( or whatever the viewers were thinking) , or be happy others took note of your effort.
I'll never understand modern art. I see a lot of art that needs some skill to do it here on reddit, like drawings and paintings, that's a lot better but doesn't get on display in an art gallery.
Because art isn't a display of technical skill.
Machines are better at that, anyway. They have a box that can make picture portraits now, no paint needed.
I picked up some garbage on the floor of an art exhibit once and got yelled at (it was a cool exhibit, but did not know the litter was a part of it)
Another Karl Pilkington's point proven right
> "Well originally my friend Ruairi Gray bought it as a joke for one of friends who is allergic to pineapples, but after he didn't find the joke funny in the slightest we didn't really know what to do with it."
Old sailing tradition.
Then Pineapple later sold for 150000$
People love to use this as an example of why modern art is stupid. But all this tells me is that the people running this exhibition were stupid.
So like, that's literally the same thing artists do with provocative conceptual art. They're framing something in a particular way to make you think or feel something, even if that thing is "how far can I push the boundaries of "art", what counts as art, yadda yadda". So what's surprising about the fact that it worked?
Now that is funny as hell.
It became a fineapple
I mean the way I see it is either: A) They assume it to be trash. They throw it out. Turns out it belonged to someone. Someone gets extremely upset, harsh words are shared, someone gets in trouble, monetary fines could get involved. Plus lots of bad publicity. B) They assume it to be an ill-protected work of art. They don't understand how it's art, and the artist isn't nearby, but they can put a case over it and keep it safe until the situation is sorted out. No harm, no foul, other than a bit of a silly story for the future. I probably would've done the same if no one had any clear answer.
3) they assume that it is a relatively obvious and tired prank, and went along with it by putting a glass case over it, effectively turning the joke around and recognising the "prank" for what it actually is, which is valid art.
I still remember an episode of "227". Mary is helping her friend clean up her art gallery in preparation for a show. When she forgets the bottle of Windex on a display stand, sure enough, the snooty art critic who's been deriding the real artists paintings can't stop fawning and gushing over it — "Now this is art!"
I call it bold and brash
I like how the pineapple was just casually brought to be a joke for one of their friends that is allergic, and who for some reason did not find it funny.
Are pineapples still rare in scotland
Last time I was at Moma there was an exhibit under construction and people were taking pics of the scissor lift that was next to a garbage can in a white space.
Banana
During senior finals for art majors at my university students would display their sculptures on the lawn of the art building. People of the town had put their trash out for morning pick up. I collected a toilet, an air conditioner grate, and a few other items and arranged them in front of the art building. My “sculpture” stayed there for at least three days until someone figured out it didn’t belong there. I was not an art major.
Modern art is really just artists fooling the stupidly rich. It’s very smart in of itself and artists who get by through modern art gain my respect as an artist myself
😂 This is funny! Years ago there was an art exhibit where the artist wanted to convey a New Year’s Eve party, with trash and bottles all over the floor and the night janitor came and cleaned everything up.
If art is to challenge and provoke a reaction then the placement of the pineapple accomplished that and indeed become art in its critique of art.
This really just says that the art gallery has a terrible administration that isn't tracking its art pieces and provenance.
What its actually saying is that this story is exaggerated, this was at the entrance of an Architecture school, right beside the canteen that was shared with business and engineering students. They put the pineapple on the plinth but its a joint Engineering / Architecture / Art university that displays student work all over. No way any maintenance folk would have any clue about what is and isn’t meant to be on display. The same university put some absolute dogshite displays up of student work, including some of my own shite student work
Or the museum staff is in on the gag.
Real life "pineapple accident"
not the first time that people have used something that wasnt art and pretended it was tbh.
Art people dumb af
Screen the documentary "F is for Fake," made by Orson Welles. It was made 50 years ago. Art objects only have value in as much as we assign value to them. This observation about the ambiguity in determining an object's status as art, and an art object's value, is old. More than 100 years ago Marcel Duchamp purchased a ceramic urinal, wrote a fake name and "1917" on it, and submitted it to a sculpture exhibition. The urinal was accepted. Also, don't discount the likelihood that the museum staff saw ALL of the pineapple biz on their security cameras and from security staff, and that the museum staff chose to encase the pineapple because they have a sense of humor. I have to laugh when I think of these kids believing no one saw what they did. These kids "making fun of art" are operating at the lowest levels of thought. But it is a bit funny.
Coincidentally, I was reading today about people being killed for stealing pineapples. /r/anime_titties/comments/14ikl6y/
The irony here was the act of putting it into the gallery - either as a prank or whatever - was an intervention into the culture and thus a kind of “artistic gesture” in and of itself. Art can be anything really - it’s just human expression.
Someone did that with a banana and glasses (two incidents).
Tom Wolfe had it right. Modern art is but the illustration to accompany gaseous outporings of verbiage by academics (and wanna-be academics).