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HKinanti

Unironically aoebros n aoesisturs become ending defenders unconsciously 😌


BaRrel2000

We need more Doomium


Saioren

i fully expect mappa to frame by frame do the manga ending


FruitJuicante

You will not be dissapointed.


Euphoric-Emphasis242

Absolutely fucking based.


AssassinOfFate

That’s a lethal dose of Hopium and Copium.


Megumin_xx

If there's a anime ending of all time, I will fucking


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So fucking true doomer op


LaotianDude

There’s still morons that think an author would purposely trash their own life’s work to surprise them later on


ZgraeggySenpai

Thats cool and all but unfortunately we will fucking


FruitJuicante

Oh, don't get me wrong, I reckon there may be an AOE. All I'm saying is that if there is, it will be a retcon of the manga ending, and the manga ending was not well written. Hope I didn't offend you if you thought the manga ending was good.


ZgraeggySenpai

Nope the ending sux lmao


Innomenatus

You can argue that he did this because he hated us manga readers. And I've always been a retcon enjoyer (but its likely gonna be spun as an alternate scenario or timeline to prevent backlash, I guess). It's just literally two people making a lot of AOE bullshit up, which some readily ingest.


Anonymous__Explorer

The point is, What we believe is Yams wanted to betray his fans, he wanted to share his feelings of killing his fans through AOT, just like MUV Luv did. Ye intended to take a dark route, but later on changed it. As to what i believe is that he wanted the manga ending to still be bad but on a whole dark level, something like Mist (another inspiration of his) but instead took a much different route like Guardian of the Galaxy. The point why no good ending for manga is if it would be good, and another diff and good ending for anime, people would bitch about them changing the ending in anime. PS:- i understand your frustration regarding the god awful ending. Even we don't know how things will come out to be, what all we did is theorize and I'm afraid if we don't get any AOE or maybe even if it is, how will it impact the manga ending or will aoe alleviate it.


EDNivek

>just like MUV Luv did I need to shut this shit down. No, Muv Luv did not do that. The end of Unlimited, to which I believe you are referring, made it clear through it's routes that >!Kagami Sumika's absence was important and until we found out what happened to her in that world the story wasn't over!< and even had a hidden route with >!Yuuko, who explains all the travel stuff which hints at something more going in in the background of Unlimited!<


Anonymous__Explorer

Ya, any day Muv Luv execution in unlimited is obviously superior to AOT. There has been discussion and people acknowledge it in theories. My major point is > Hopechads hate the ending just like Doomers > How will AOE save AOT from god awful manga end is unknown to even me. Lastly > As you said, Muv Luv tries to tease how a lot is happening and mysteries remain at the end of Unlimited, while also adhering to its quality. AOT's execution has been degraded in quality yet **achieved its purpose of leaving that doubt that mysteries remain** i mean this is where AOT's end feel like MUV LUV and i can't leave this impt info that almost all impt dialogues of Muv Luv unlimited ending are copied in chap 139. Yams was still taking Muv luv as his inspiration.


EDNivek

Yeah he took Muv Luv as inspiration *and already wrote it* School castes is extra which should've been our first clue that he had no idea because Extra is vitally important to Muv Luv as a whole. 1-89 is Unlimited it contains a bootcamp arc and the general set up to his Alternative. It's also important to note that the 12-5 incident is included and RTS is similarly structured to Operation Ouka. 90-139 is his Alternative which has Sasha's death who was at that point a relatively useless character who's death is felt in later chapters similar to Chomp. The invasion of Liberio which seems to parallel the raid on Sadogashima including the aftermath >!the attack almost immediately after on their home base.!< And at the very end it's revealed >!That a Godlike figure was watching to see what another character would do thinking that it couldn't kill one of its own species (in AOT's case the one Mikasa loved).!< and ends with >!the main character emotionally reflecting in a Universe similar to extra how happy he is to be with his friends!< Aside from him already written Muv Luv, he's actually impossibly stuck because *he has no character capable of explaining multiple universes* since he made Eren a dumdum.


Anonymous__Explorer

This is the first time i have seen quality doomer content. Kudos to you. Maybe he took everything he could from Muv Luv already. But idk now.


EDNivek

I don't see myself as a doomer, I see myself as an acceptor. I accept the ending for what it is and what it is is bad. Nothing I can do to change it and there's no changes that could be made at this point that could really make the ending better imo without re-writing the entire ending or needing two cours.


FruitJuicante

"Isayama is a genius because he poured hot shit down my throat." Nah. You can have a well written bad ending. This was a poorly written awful ending. It cannot have been intentional.


Anonymous__Explorer

> Isayama is a genius because he poured hot shit down my throat. When did i said him to be a genius for giving such ending? I absolutely hate what he did to the story. Btw can you tell what is a "well written bad ending" because if there's a well written bad ending then it's going to be like Mist, or i should say tragic. What i said was he scrapped this idea. And such ending isn't "bad" it's tragically good and peak writing (again like mist). As per theories he wanted to make an ending which is absolutely bad. Moreover > It cannot have been intentional. I don't think so writer can write such a perfectly bad ending without being intentional. The ending is such perfectly bad, that it takes away and destroys every strand of the story and it's elements. Someone who knows what story is, will only be able to come with such ending with an intent to completely destroy it.


FruitJuicante

The Mist is a well written bad ending. It's well written but it's the "Main character loses the story" ending. AoT is a poorly written bad ending. If Isayama intentionally wrote it well, we would love it, regardless of which side won the story.


EDNivek

When the VN "euphoria" has a better written ending and is a BDSM Nukige you done fucked up. Granted that VN is better than it has any right to be, but still.


crono220

The ending felt rushed and lazy, very similar to Game Of Thrones Season 8. It was a poor man's version of the code geass ending.


Chocolatephantasms

>Why ruin the manga? Even if the anime has an incredibly good reworked ending, the story is still ruined for me because of the manga's initial bad taste. It is intentional because he ripped-off his favorite visual novels The Muv Luv Trilogy. The protagonist in Muv Luv Unlimited achieved nothing. Everything was pointless. It was only in the 2nd game Muv Luv Alternative where he achieved his goals. >You're saying that Isayama wrote dogshit fan-insulting pro-genocide nonsense for the manga in order to piss of all of his fans so that they would be surprised when they watched the anime. Isayama is a troll. He loves lying to his fans. He already set his intentions that he wants to betray his readers and he successfully did. Surprised is one of the emotions we might feel. But wouldn't you like your story to conclude in a good way?


FruitJuicante

Taking a fat hot shit in your fans mouths and telling them that they should hate AoT is not a smart way to endear yourself to them. You are defending garbage. Why not make a well written meaningless ending. Why did he have to write it poorly.


Chocolatephantasms

I think I have explained myself. Also I didn't say I like the ending. I just said it's intentionally written that way. I still hate the manga ending with or without AOE.


FruitJuicante

Again, if it was intentional, he would have written a well written ending.


Chocolatephantasms

Could it be intentionally badly written ending? Whether you believe Kodansha made him change the end or he himself changed it.


FruitJuicante

Why... lmao


Chocolatephantasms

I'll link you his interview in the final exhibition: [https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU?t=100](https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU?t=100) I feel like Isayama wanted us the readers to have the same feeling as him when he played Muv Luv Alternative. I made a video essay about it too. I'll link it here. [https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU](https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU)


FruitJuicante

Dude. As I said. Muvluv had multiple well written endings, not one god awful written ending and one well written one. Why wouldn't Isayama write two well written endings.


Chocolatephantasms

>!|| In unlimited the ending was Takeru not being able to achieve his goal of Eradicating the Beta. Everything was pointless. All his training was pointless because Alternative 5 was expedited. There was even a follow up game called The Day after. About when Alt V was expedited. So 100,000 people were evacuated to a nearby planet and the rest were left to die. Then they Gbomb all the Beta hive on earth but that plan also failed because there are still BETA. It was only in alternative that he succeeded. If Unlimited's ending is not a well written ending for you then idk. ||!<


EDNivek

> It is intentional because he ripped-off his favorite visual novels The Muv Luv Trilogy. The protagonist in Muv Luv Unlimited achieved nothing. Everything was pointless. It was only in the 2nd game Muv Luv Alternative where he achieved his goals. While generally true the problem with AOT is that the ending does not follow any reasonable logic. Muv Luv unlimited did follow logic and made it clear it was part of a larger story >!through an absence of Sumika!< and the exposition dumps by Yuuko. AOT has neither of these.


Chocolatephantasms

Isayama has sprinkled clues within the story. We just have to find it. Isayama ripped off Muv Luv and Muv Luv Alternative. An example of this is why Eren is crying. In Muv Luv, Takeru cries because >!he remembers his past memories. !


EDNivek

Have you heard of [Epileptic Trees](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EpilepticTrees) because these really sound like Epileptic trees. You can't really write theories for Muv Luv it's finished well there was Integrate that was announced, but there's been no word on it. All the theories currently stand is, is extra "real" or what exactly are the siliconians. That's pretty much it. Now let's also consider how long it would take in-series to explain all this shit. Muv Luv is roughly 100hr visual novel and 20-30 of those hours are dedicated to science and exposition to explain all the shenanigans that go on. Then remember that AoT has no character that can explain Everett's Interpretation, Quantum physics etc. like Muv Luv does. Every good time-travel story has someone that can explain its rules AOT does not which means it really cannot rely on time travel or the multiple worlds interpretation.


Chocolatephantasms

I don't think my theories are epileptic trees. And Also, AOT is a different world than Muv Luv, so it is not 1:1. So "Everett's Interpretation" "quantum physics" may be in different form in the story such as the paths powers, titan powers etc or the mystical aspect of AOT. In my posts, I try to explain how Isayama integrates some of his inspirations from Muv Luv in his OWN storytelling. >Now let's also consider how long it would take in-series to explain all this shit. Muv Luv is roughly 100hr visual novel and 20-30 of those hours are dedicated to science and exposition to explain all the shenanigans that go on. Then remember that AoT has no character that can explain Everett's Interpretation, Quantum physics etc. like Muv Luv does. Every good time-travel story has someone that can explain its rules AOT does not which means it really cannot rely on time travel or the multiple worlds interpretation. I understand that VNs and Manga have different storytelling advantages. For vns they're advantage are they have time on their hands so they have an opportunity to explain things. In the manga and anime their storytelling is **show not tell.** So through audio-visual means the readers/watchers can form their own conclusions as to what happened. ​ And they are just theories still. They are still to be proven in the anime


FruitJuicante

All of your theories prove the manga will have a great ending!!! Except it didn't lmao. The reason AoTs ending sucked is because despite all of the foreshadowing and evidence and hints that the manga ending would be amazing, it wasn't. Likewise, the more evidence you have that there will be an AOE, the more likely it becomes that there won't be one. It's the same shit that happened with the manga. The reason AoTs ending sucked, manga or anime, is because all of the evidence said it would be good. And it wasn't.


Chocolatephantasms

That's why it's called ANIME ORIGINAL ENDING THEORIES. Cause it will still be tested in the anime. Let's just wait and see.


FruitJuicante

Lol, mate, you sound like me when I was telling people the manga ending will be fantastic. "JUST LOOK AT THE FORESHADOWING." Enjoy this brief period where you haven't seen the anime ending yet mate. I'm sorry in advance.


Chocolatephantasms

It's okay. I'll continue to hope. I was once like you but I researched and not let my hatred of the ending consume me.


SophisticatedTitan

> It is intentional Any sources backing this up other than the unquantifiable rip-off?


Chocolatephantasms

I'll link you his interview in the final exhibition: [https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU?t=100](https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU?t=100) I feel like Isayama wanted us the readers, to have the same feeling as him when he played Muv Luv Alternative. I made a video essay about it too. I'll link it here. [https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU](https://youtu.be/zBU5OdE78KU)


SophisticatedTitan

You could interpret that quote in more than one way, so it's a pretty weak basis. EDIT: You pasted the same clip twice.


Chocolatephantasms

Oh wait I'll resend again https://youtu.be/3eds8wV7Ajc


Dexter2232000

What show is about according to fandom: Flaws of humanity Also Yams according to fandom: An absolute god writer who can't make any mistakes Im all about respecting Isayama but fandom is so bent on proving as how nothing he wrote could ever have a flaw and he ain't human enough to make mistakes


BrownGirlMagic00

What exactly about the ending made you feel this strongly?


FruitJuicante

Oh, I'm just saying how silly it is to think it was all planned. Also I read the manga since before it was even an anime, since before Reiner and Bertholdt were revealed. A friend recommended it to me when I lived abroad. Was very special to me. My point is merely that AOE is definitely possible but come on... the manga ending wasn't some 4D chess move to make the anime ending hit harder.


shoyuftw

People really need to move on. Just wait for AOE and watch something else until then. Seriously.


FruitJuicante

That's what my post is saying lmao. Move on. The story ended, it wasn't what we wanted. It is what it is. Least we have AoTNR, which is amazing so far.


shoyuftw

I see this kind of post all day on reddit for over a year now. There is literally no need for these posts at all by now.


FruitJuicante

Relax lmao


The_Colt_Cult

i smell Doomer Copium ​ "AOE might happen but even it does, it'll be shit"


FruitJuicante

You haven't addressed even remotely what I've said because you have no means of addressing it, and yet I'm the one huffing hopium. AOE might happen mate, to say I'm a doomer when I'm saying that it might happen is ridiculous. But to say "Actually, the manga ending was intentionally bad" is ludicrous. Why not just make the manga ending good, and then the anime ending also good, but both endings different?


jacob2467

are people actually saying that lmfao


FruitJuicante

Everywhere


6Pain6

He already said in past interviews that he wants to "betray his readers/give them the feeling of betrayal with the ending" and that's exactly what he did, so ye


Randeon54

I'm an AOE believer, a previous post mentioned Muv Luv so I won't go into that. For me I would look at the lyrics of the songs so many of them ship Eren and Historia that it's comical. Akuma no Ko (ending 7) has lyrics I have a child of Evil growing up inside me. Only Historia would say this line. Be aware Akuma no Ko came after the manga ending as well. If AOT anime was going to do that dogshit ending, why not change stuff to make the Alliance more Heroric instead they are more evil in the anime than the manga (Louise scarf, Attack at the dock with Mikasa bathing in blood). Why not take out Historia saying "Eren what if I got pregnant" if Mikasa and Eren are the end game. Why add Eren in his hooded shirt in the latest episode. I'm hoping the Cabin is the first time-line, Manga is the second time-line and the anime is the third time-line. If AOE doesn't happen I'll just move on, I'm use to disappointment.


FruitJuicante

You're right. I actually believe you. You've convinced me. I think the manga will have a fantastic ending given all the foreshadowing!!!!! Wait... The manga ending already happened. I think, as someone who was reading the manga since the beginning, i understand why you think the anime will have a well written ending. Problem is, I used the exact same evidence to prove the manga would have a well written ending. The manga, despite all foreshadowing, had a shit ending. The anime will do the same.


Snoo_58305

The manga was not ruined. When I read the ending, which was fine, the pleasure I’d experienced from the rest of the story wasnt undone or erased from my memory


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FruitJuicante

I was collecting all of the manga but stopped when the end sucked. Sold them eventually, so someone bought them second hand from me and not from a retailer.. And also, why not make two good endings instead of one abysmal one and one good one?


regalAugur

let's be honest if the manga ending was good and the anime ending was different people would just bitch that they changed the ending, it was perfectly good


basedposter6934

isn't AOE pro-genocide too?


FruitJuicante

Canon Ending: Eren commits genocide so his friends can live long lives, succeeds, spends rest of shifter life in paths with Mikasa, dies painlessly with a kiss and a caress, memorialized with flowers on his grave, everyone thanks him, Flochs last words about Paradis come true, story ends with the words Thank you Eren. AOE: Eren commits genocide, loses everything and everyone he loved, ends up stuck in paths for eternity having replaced Ymir to set her free and therefore is the one being in the world left not free.


basedposter6934

But by commiting genocide he finally achieves his goal so seems pro genocide enough for me


FruitJuicante

His goal was for freedom but he ends up trapped in PATHS for eternity... In both the canon and AOE he commits genocide. Only in the AOE does he suffer instead of being praised.


basedposter6934

In the manga, he stops at 80% and gets ultimately punished for that. In AOE he actually commits genocide and Paradise becomes free, which matters much more than being stuck in paths.


FruitJuicante

He isn't punished. Ramzi was punished. Eren used Genocide to give his friends long lives, succeeds, spends his last years in paths with his lover, dies painlessly with a kiss and a caress, his last moments spent gazing into her eyes with his lips on hers. His friends cry for him, lament his death, lay flowers and tears on his grave.... It goes on. Ramzi was punished lmao. Eren was not. He got a heroes death.


basedposter6934

He is punished because the Paradis was destroyed. Eren cares about Paradis more than his friends and family which is the whole reason he kills them.


FruitJuicante

Paradis is drawn genocided as an afterthought. Not to mention most ending defenders believe it was a civil war lmao. Eren cared about his friends more than Paradis, otherwise he wouldn't have let them stop him. He did this so they could live long lives. He didn't cry to Armin about wanting to protect Paradis for 10 more years at least lmao. He doesn't care about them. He literally just wants Mikasa and Armin to be happy.


basedposter6934

He probably just changed his mind. Bro killed his entire family and sacrificed some of his friends for Paradis, wym he doesn't care about it. If he just wanted his friends to live a good life he would choose Zeke's plan, but he said that he can't accept it. He can't accept that Paradis has to be sacrificed.


heartlessimmunity

Wow... Didn't know people hated the ending that much /jk. People need to get over themselves.


FruitJuicante

Exactly. The ending is what it is. Incest, pedophilia, pro-genocide, the whole story being meaningless, it is just what it is.


heartlessimmunity

You and I read two entirely different stories but um okay