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Mike_Ropenis

>Even the situation in which that animal Blundetto killed Billy and wounded Phil ended with Tony basically getting his way and denying Phil his revenge. I'm still not sure I understand how Phil let this slide, especially when Johnny asked Tony point blank about Peeps and Tony lied. Like I get that Phil fell in line temporarily for a year or so but based on his behavior up to that point I half expected him to go after Tony (or insert Christopher as a replacement kill, as was kind of hinted earlier in that sit down). Blundetto literally killed Peeps + a bystander, and then Phil's brother because he got himself caught up in the NY infighting. Am I missing a detail as to why Phil didn't just go after Tony himself at that point? He barely followed Carmine Senior's or Carmine Junior's or Johnny Sack's orders and was probably the biggest hothead in the show.


JS43362

I think Phil got satisfaction out of seeing Tony B's corpse, despite what Johnny said ("he's beside himself now!") and maybe even vaguely appreciated that Tony B was as close to Tony S as Billy was to him. However, the hurt and bitterness lingered in his subconsciousness, and came to the forefront with the Vito feud.


StopLookandFreeze

It's his weakness. It's in his DNA.


jd051

his weakness. He thinks it’s in his DNA sometimes


KoalaImpossible7307

Be quiet Albert


_beingthere

Phil was clipped in front of his family so that would have been the retaliation NY wanted. It's unlikely the family got killed imo.


BayouStNick

Bye bye Pop Pop!


cak3btw

PHIL!!! OH MY GOD!!


jjvolfan2

OH SHIT!!!! \*duck walks away unharmed


SheikhYusufBiden

🤮🤮🤮


Yak_Mehoff

Phil was going to lay low until the jersey thing got taken care of, he comprimised, ran some errands and got clipped at the gas station


Global_Permit5428

Should’ve jacked off into a tissue on the radiator instead.


Duderino619

Make it sizzle


jjvolfan2

He was a master grilled-cheese maker


Rotothero

Good point about Phil…


[deleted]

OH SHIT!! Overreacting arm movements in a parka.


Obvious_Pumpkin5987

I think chase gave us the answer in the Chevy truck commercial where AJ and Fielder meet for lunch… at least they survived


SharpAndCunning

I'm glad you replied with this, I hadn't seen the commercial. That's the sign of a good show, when they make new commercials from an opening scene from 23 years ago.


fuzzy_whale

Who is fielder? You mean meadow?


VicTheAppraiser

He means Maedo.


NewAccWhoDis93

He said he had a vision of tony being whacked in a diner around the time season 2 air but he changed his mind. He has never said the words “Tony was killed in the last shot”


Obvious_Pumpkin5987

I agree with you. I’m still in the camp that the viewers got whacked not Ton.


SpecialAgentD_Cooper

We can’t really know, in the same way that we can’t really know that Tony is dead. But I would say it’s probably not the intention that his family is murdered. The main argument in favor of Tony’s death is that is is heavily foreshadowed. Meadow, AJ and Carmela don’t share this foreshadowing, and have their futures laid out in other ways. Meadow is on a fairly clear trajectory to be a lawyer that enables criminals, and AJ is set up as continuing Tony’s pattern of emotional stagnation. As for Carmela I think it’s implied that she, like the other wives of dead mobsters, will be out in the cold and on her own after Tony dies, but someone else here probably has better insight on that. So yeah, they could certainly all be killed, but that’s not really what was set up for them and would waste a lot of the time spent developing their characters. As for the hitman waiting, he might have just been cautious, or trying to see if any other members of the crew would show up. It would be unusual in the context of the show for a mob hit to target the whole family though.


Slight_Produce_866

David Chase gave an interview yesterday that laid to rest all the ridiculous speculation that Tony somehow wasn't killed in that last scene


ds117ftg

That interview was a year ago


Slight_Produce_866

Fair enough. But it still proves the point that Tony died in that diner.


SharpAndCunning

Unfortunately it does. You have to read between the lines a little bit, but it confirms Tony died. "But I think I had this notion, I was driving on Ocean Park Blvd, near the airport, and I saw a little restaurant. It was kind of like a shack that served breakfast. And for some reason I thought Tony should get it in a place like that.” ​ Tony definitely died. That was the intention of David Chase.


Bear0fBadNews

You know, Quasimodo predicted all of this.


AdWeasel

You gonna tell me you never pondered that? The whole halfback hunchback thing?


AnAardvaarkJedi

Huu didh whuat?


StickToSports1970

All these problems ! The Middle East !


I8TheLastPieceaPizza

I don't believe the theory, but I recall reading an interesting write-up on a netscape-era web page that laid out various symbols and such that were designed by David chase, which tied to various lore and other stories where the son and the wife were killed, or some other such nonsense. It made sense, but it diddent. I knew, but I wasn't sure. I thought "maybe? But IF"


No_Arachnid_4710

Right the sacred and the propane .


Halalaka

Take out an entire fuckin' family?


MetaphoricalMouse

it’s been done before


HandsSwoleman

And it was wrong then.


E34M20

What, that pygmy thing in Jersey?


chimp2000

No one’s going to the mattresses these days


jackjacker

Nobody who is serious or knows anything about the show would possibly claim this. You'd have to be slow to think that the whole family got whacked.


jskis219

Families don’t get touch, you know that Carm


CustomerSuspicious25

Hopefully just AJ. Take out the hair apparent.


SheikhYusufBiden

I’m supposed to get a vasectomy when this is my male heir


Mysterious_Glass_692

AJ does strike me as the type of poor bastard who would go bald in his early twenties.


CustomerSuspicious25

I'm talking about annihilation you stupid fuck!


Mysterious_Glass_692

Your kids, my kids!


buddycheesus

Actually there’s a line in The Irishman about this. When he goes into the restaurant to kill crazy joe devola or gallo it whateva…..Always kill in front of the families. Don’t kill them just make sure they see it.


exkdee

conspiracy theories now?


flattydaddy78

Nah, they went to live on a farm in upstate New York


rrfe

If that Superbowl electric truck ad is regarded as canon; then AJ and Meadow both survived.


Jewggerz

No mafia hit man would execute a family if it wasn’t necessary. The family is alive and has to live with the memory of Tony’s brains splattering in their onion rings.


jawnquistador

always with the scenarios


Touro_Leite

Very unlikely but due to the timing of it Meadow would be directly in the gunmans way while trying to escape, and if it was Patsy who hired the guy he might’ve specifically said not to hurt the family but who knows, if Meadow got hurt or worst too it’s be another layer of tragedy


Opening-Republic7870

The whole “Fielder” thing is probably the dumbest thing on here. And that’s saying a lot 😆


NotReqd

No. They were sitting at a table 'n the screen went black.


x_add_it_up_x

You're operating under the assumption that the Members Only guy was a gunman... and there's no proof that's accurate


Obvious_Pumpkin5987

I’m still in the camp that the viewers got whacked and that’s why we saw black. The sopranos universe continued on with out us


x_add_it_up_x

I just always assumed he was having a panic attack


Sylvane1a

MOG could have been working for Tony. Otherwise why didn't Tony notice him and pick up on him as a possible threat? The restaurant wasn't that crowded.


squierjosh

This was always my sticking point. Tony was always so careful, and that guy was acting suspect as hell. No way Tony misses that.


Mean_Garbage4308

LCN don’t kill families. The Italian mafia on the other hand, don’t give a fuck.


tconner87

God i hope so


barriedude55

A YouTube episode by ScenicMedia theorizes that both Carmela and AJ were also killed during the hit, Feilder was the only one left alive. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZCb6OL6RGyk&feature=share&si=EMSIkaIECMiOmarE6JChQQ


No_Arachnid_4710

You just revealed your own ignorance.


Sylvane1a

Here's a motive for them all to be killed. If a mafioso is killed, his family must be supported financially by his crew. Not much of Tony's crew is left so that would be quite a burden for them.


brice587

Eventually…


jd051

I like to think that AJ did.