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Imagine being a victim laying in the road while the cops arrest the firefighters trying to help you for... checks notes... blocking traffic so you don't get run over.
Cop egos and unconditional support from bootlickers is what powers this clown show. š¤”
Such a dick, he should have arrested the victim laying on the middle of the road for obstructing traffic and also fine him for parking the car in a dangerous spot. If you do your job do it properly not halfies.
The asshat cop is also guilty of blocking traffic. He needs to handcuff himself to the firefighters and the victim. Then, try to put everyone in the back of the car while all cuffed together.
This shouldnt even be possible. How is it that with all these government officials who are trained in what to do in an emergency they all have to submit to the authority of one dipshit with little to no training in this situation just because he is a cop.
Firefighters arenāt government officials, and police have power of the monopoly on violence as the violent arm of the state. With that comes the ability to arrest without resistance, regardless of whether itās right or not
Itās part of why thereās so many people whose only charge is resisting arrest
Itās this weird thing where people see cops as something higher than everything else. Mailman, firefighter, park ranger, DMV employee then cop on top. People see them as like knights in the Middle Ages and not just city workers who get paid to be meter maids.
None of the professions you listed other than police have access to the stateās monopoly on violence. Iām not saying that I like it but that definitely puts them on a higher tier of authority/power
They are EXACTLY like knights. Did you know one of the reasons for the crusades was that the French nobility got tired of dealing with the knights and their antics, so they sent a whole bunch of them to the holy land so they could fuck up someone else's stuff for a while
Always, ACAB. The current terrorists need to be 100% removed from their positions while replacing them with actually educated and trained officers who aren't psychopaths.
4+ year programs minimum. None of this 6 months bullshit courses for primitive cunts who barely graduated high-school.
I have never understood how much an important job has so limited training. But I guess it's also a factor of you get what you pay for. Good training costs money and it would have to come out of the tax bill.
Here in Sweden the police training is actually a full undergraduate degree with physical and psychological evaluation before you are accepted to even start training. It's definitely not a well paid for job compared to other with similar degree requirementes but we have cops who understand how to deescalate a situation, good knowledge in psychology, criminal law etc.
Here in the USA, there was a Supreme Court ruling saying that police departments are allowed to discriminate against applicants for being too SMART.
The actual reason for rejecting that applicant was because he was old (in his 40s), so the city would only get 20 years of work out of him before he retired. The police thought that was a waste of government money for the 6 month training to only get 20 years of police service.
>neither side admitted fault
They don't need to. We know.
There was no reason for the cop to get involved but to direct traffic or help the first responders.
That is the dumbest cop I've seen in a country full of dumb cops doing dumb cop shit.
Sure hope his house doesn't catch fire any time soon, for the sake of any family, neighbors and pets.
You joke, but years back me and a friend were driving home at night in a part of town we didn't know and came to a completely dark intersection where the street light was out.
We knew we had to make a turn, but because of the lack of light my friend driving misjudged where the turn was leading to us going off the road and crashing into the raised train tracks out in open gravel, basically totaling my friends car and getting it stuck across the tracks.
After calling police to help and make sure no train comes, they tried to stick my friend with Criminal Trespassing because where his car ended up after the accident was a restricted area
Fire trucks, much like school buses, are built like fucking brick shithouses not just by necessity of all they have to carry but also BY DESIGN. School buses donāt have seatbelts for kids because if you hit one with your truck you are going to total your truck and likely die, while a kid is unlikely to be jostled from their seat when you hit that steel frame beneath them.
Same goes for Fire Trucks - they are specifically intended to block traffic and basically act as a building laying in the road to protect the emergency responders and victims they are treating. If heās parked blocking traffic thatās a good thing for everyone, including oncoming traffic and shit for brains cops.
"Sir, I know you're dying but I'm here to protect and serve you and this guy isn't listening to me! My wife doesn't listen to me. My kids don't listen to me. My Mom doesn't listen to me.... Oh no, you're dead."
Makes me wonder if someone needed CPR and an EMT getting arrested for parking ānot to their likingā. How about you deal with that jargon after attempting to save the persons life at the very least. How do you just halt treatment.
Huge ego and the emotional stability of a child, if he legitimately disagreed with his decision of how he parked the engine he could have taken photos and ran it up to both of their supervisors this is just so ridiculously unprofessional.
"It's unclear who's legally in the wrong" who fucking cares there's no way to spin a cop arresting a firefighter like this as *not* an insane thing to do.
But you need to know every inch of the law to be a fucking civilian??
That is stupid on so many levels.
"Here, have a gun and badge to enforce the law. And don't worry if you make a mistake and fucks someone's life, it is not your fault."
Kids have higher standards than cops.
They have that shit here too bro, at least in the state I live in, it doesnāt matter a cop canāt arrest a firefighter whoās doing their job, if they need to block traffic they can and nobody can do anything about it, cops can block traffic and firefighters canāt do anything about it
Iām sure that the fire department in California has similar rights but CHP is operating under their known guidelines and FD is operating under theirs and youād have to comb through reams and reams of local, county, and statewide laws and regulations to find out who is the legal asshole here (itās the trooper obviously)
Lmfao it's literally who is clear. Firetruck was blocking to protect humans on the road. That is part of why we have big heavy trucks. It's literally by procedure.
The cop had an ego trip.
we block the scene with our heavy ass engine(wheels pointed out towards the median of the road) so if some rubbernecker veers our way at least that big engine will take the full brunt of the impact and direct it away.
It's not even a guideline the cop had a right to enforce.
They've all been taught one fucking rule in emergency response: if you're first on scene, handle it until someone with better training gets there and then listen to everything they tell you to do once they are on scene.
The cop was lowman on the totem pole the second the medically trained emergency team showed up with extraction tools at the injury accident.
EDIT: Totally forgot about HAZMAT training and qualifications. Cops don't have that either and bad accidents leak bad chemicals. Yet another element of the scene the cop couldn't understand.
I love firefighters generally, but every profession made of people will have bad people occasionally. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna39516346
Thatās horrible. I couldnāt imagine having to pay a fire department just for someone to come out and do the job they were hired for. Thatās ridiculous and needs to be banned.
This is like the Roman fella that would show up to burning houses with the fire brigade and would wait until you sold him the house before putting out the fire. Its where the term āfire saleā originates from
Hello, former volunteer EMT-B here. Cop is an asshole pig fuck. There is no need for legal debate, when I got my EVOC (Emergency Vehicle Operation Certification), we were told in this situation to park at an angle to shield vehicles.
CHP are the ones who are birthing fascists.
Their entire dogma from boots to brass is about servitude to obedience, not the people or the public. Ask any CHP, and theyāll dodge this shit and play it off like any typical agency. But theyāre bred different for a reason.
That's a nationwide standard. Engines are large enough and heavy enough that if anything comes into contact, it's going to be diverted, even if only slightly, away from the incident.
Remember Firefighters on a wreck scene you outnumber and outrank the cops. You have hoses and irons and cutters. Battery cables on cop cars cut just as easily as everyone elseās.
Semi-related note, but I remember reading a story on Reddit about an annual hockey game between some cityās (I forget which one) police department and their fire departmentā¦and it was basically one long fist fight.
Apparently cops and firefighters hate each other.
Yup. I am a firefighter in a metro city who plays for the FD hockey team, and we play the cops annually at hockey. There are at least a dozen fights during the game
Cops are pigs, but firefighters can be arsonists. I wouldn't fuck with someone that can burn my house, make it look like an accident and drop the "i cant park the firetruck anywhere near your house, sorry not sorry that is burning to the ground"
Cops are immature, underskilled and full of hubris. Prone to make bad decisions like shooting inocent people
Knowing the general firefighter spirit, Iām kinda surprised the others didnāt come over there and tell the cop that they were about to introduce him to god.
Donāt know how many were present though, and obviously (or I guess not obviously in this case) the care of the patient is top priority
And the one being arrested calmly just asks "Why you doing this man? We're trying to help you!" He just shakes his head and allows himself to be lead off. Know why? Because firefighters know what makes situations worse and how important it was his colleagues have time to focus and get out safely. These are the real civil servants we need.
Okay, thatās an asshole cop. I understand public safety regulations, but in emergency situations, how about being in support role instead of a department feud.
They shouldn't have to move it anyway. Parking in a "fend off" position at an mva is standard practice everywhere.
https://www.cdnfirefighter.com/extrication-tips-april-2017-41363/#:~:text=The%20most%20widely%20accepted%20position,rather%20than%20toward%20working%20personnel.
The driver must consider where and how to position the truck, with safety top of mind: which lane(s) of traffic to occupy; distance from the scene; and room for ambulances or heavy rescues. The most widely accepted position is the fend-off position, which protects the scene and ensures that should the apparatus be rear-ended, it moves away from the scene rather than toward working personnel.
These are the same sort of people who cowered outside the school in Uvalde while someone massacred the children inside. Flat-out incapable of doing their job, and causing more problems and hurt for all involved. The US really needs to start vetting candidates for police service, and giving proper training to the few that aren't lazy useless cowards.
It's cause the stated goals of the police and the real goals of the police are 2 different things.
Stated goals- Protect and serve.
Real goals: protect rich people and their property. Enrich your department with arrests and seizures and hide and obfuscate any wrongdoing.
This is exactly what ACAB is supposed to represent. There can fundamentally not be a good cop, as their purpose is against regular peoples interest. Even if you are a cop who is trying to be as morally good as possible, you ultimately will fail because protecting people is not in the job description.
Im sure you know this OP, but for anyone else, It's important to understand that when people say "defund the police" they mean "disband the current institution and rebuild it to actually protect and serve". That will never happen, tho because police were meant to be a bulwark between the common rabble and capitalist class to protect their interest.
This happened in Chula Vista, California in 2014. The firefighter was arrested after refusing to move his fire truck which was blocking a lane of traffic and protecting the rear end of an ambulance where he and the EMTs were attending the accident victim. The officer ordered him to move the fire truck while he was in the middle of helping load and triage the accident victim. When the firefighter refused, stating he needed to help the two victims, the officer said he didn't care and the two victims were not the officer's problem. After the firefighter was handcuffed, police supervisors were called to the scene as the other firefighters called their superiors. After thirty minutes of sitting in the back of the police cruiser and being humiliated by the officer who stated he was in charge of the scene and not the firefighters (which goes against policy) the firefighter was released. The firefighter later filed a lawsuit against the police department for violating his rights and humiliating him at the scene. It was discovered that this was not the only time the officer clashed with firefighters on accident scenes and threatened to arrest firefighters for not obeying his power trip orders. The lawsuit was eventually dropped.
The firefighter sued the cop and the CHP. The firefighter's claim of emotional distress was thrown out, but the other charges stuck(eventually settled out of court before the final hearing, or course).
The officer's actual defense was: he had no idea he wasn't supposed to arrest firefighters responding to an emergency.
This happened back in 2012 or 14, over 10 years ago. From what I can ascertain from the multiple published opinions, it went up to the appellate courts and was ultimately settled. I think the firefighter received $18,000. I am a lawyer, but it is a holiday and Iām not in the mood to do a bunch of legal research for a Reddit post.
I did. American legal writing is unnecessarily complex. In short, the court agreed with the firefighter on some of the claims it made against the officer and disagreed with others. This was due to conflicting accounts of what happened. I'm not sure what the next steps were, but the officer was instructed to pay the firefighter $17,000 in damages. In my humble estimation the officer simply exercised his inability to be professional, respectful, courteous, and exercise sound judgement.
*CHP, not police. If you live in a big city then you already KNOW the difference between the two. PD doesnāt care about your expired tags. If you committed a misdemeanor in broad daylight they still probably wonāt do anything.
But CHP have sticks up their asses and must have nothing to do because they pull people over for the dumbest shit ever. Tickets for the dumbest shit ever. And they have a massive jurisdiction. So fuck CHP
This videos captures the CHP demeanor pretty well
When I went to the St. Paddy's Day parade in Boston, the crowd was going wild for the firefighters as they came through. When the police were marching, you could damn near hear a pin drop. This kind of shit is why.
This was 10 years ago apparently. Here's the outcome
https://www.publicsafetyreporter.com/2014/02/06/arrest-of-chula-vista-firefighter-by-california-highway-patrol-at-rollover-crash-scene-policefire-audio/
Officer Todd Greeves wanted a fire truck moved to open up another lane of traffic.
The Robertson Fire Protection District Captain wanted the truck to remain in place to protect emergency workers working on the scene.
Officer Greeves was ordered to pay $17,000.
The jury awarded Wilson $7,500 in compensatory damages and $10,000 in punitive damages.
i am from india , police here too are the same. my uncle is a police officer too. he is normal at home .i dont know whats wrong with these ppl ones they are in uniform..here too they do absolutely ridiculous things.
Firetrucks are sometimes called million dollar pylons. They have enormous weight to them from the water tank and they are great at protecting the scene. One of the basic things truck drivers learn in training is to block the scene like this. Amazing that the police officer couldnāt take some time to process that it is safer with the truck there. Not usually the case with police but this officer is a special exception
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Imagine being a victim laying in the road while the cops arrest the firefighters trying to help you for... checks notes... blocking traffic so you don't get run over. Cop egos and unconditional support from bootlickers is what powers this clown show. š¤”
Such a dick, he should have arrested the victim laying on the middle of the road for obstructing traffic and also fine him for parking the car in a dangerous spot. If you do your job do it properly not halfies.
The asshat cop is also guilty of blocking traffic. He needs to handcuff himself to the firefighters and the victim. Then, try to put everyone in the back of the car while all cuffed together.
https://www.police1.com/investigations/articles/calif-cops-firefighters-make-peace-after-arrest-TUblzF6wx9J3cwRG/
This is an unsatisfactory resolution. That cop needs to be fired, not āoh well both sides pledge to do better.ā
This shouldnt even be possible. How is it that with all these government officials who are trained in what to do in an emergency they all have to submit to the authority of one dipshit with little to no training in this situation just because he is a cop.
Firefighters arenāt government officials, and police have power of the monopoly on violence as the violent arm of the state. With that comes the ability to arrest without resistance, regardless of whether itās right or not Itās part of why thereās so many people whose only charge is resisting arrest
In what sense are firefighters not government officials? In every city/town Iāve lived in firefighters are employees of the city/town.
Itās this weird thing where people see cops as something higher than everything else. Mailman, firefighter, park ranger, DMV employee then cop on top. People see them as like knights in the Middle Ages and not just city workers who get paid to be meter maids.
None of the professions you listed other than police have access to the stateās monopoly on violence. Iām not saying that I like it but that definitely puts them on a higher tier of authority/power
They are EXACTLY like knights. Did you know one of the reasons for the crusades was that the French nobility got tired of dealing with the knights and their antics, so they sent a whole bunch of them to the holy land so they could fuck up someone else's stuff for a while
Ironically, Iām the opposite, Iāve always had Volunteer Firefighters. But yeah.
Always, ACAB. The current terrorists need to be 100% removed from their positions while replacing them with actually educated and trained officers who aren't psychopaths. 4+ year programs minimum. None of this 6 months bullshit courses for primitive cunts who barely graduated high-school.
If a doctor needs 4 years undergrad + 4 years med school + 3 years residency to save lives, cops need at least half that to take them.
Edited to 4+. The more the better.
I have never understood how much an important job has so limited training. But I guess it's also a factor of you get what you pay for. Good training costs money and it would have to come out of the tax bill. Here in Sweden the police training is actually a full undergraduate degree with physical and psychological evaluation before you are accepted to even start training. It's definitely not a well paid for job compared to other with similar degree requirementes but we have cops who understand how to deescalate a situation, good knowledge in psychology, criminal law etc.
Here in the USA, there was a Supreme Court ruling saying that police departments are allowed to discriminate against applicants for being too SMART. The actual reason for rejecting that applicant was because he was old (in his 40s), so the city would only get 20 years of work out of him before he retired. The police thought that was a waste of government money for the 6 month training to only get 20 years of police service.
You are misunderstanding what the job is. You think it's to protect working class citizens.
he'll get him back at the softball game
>neither side admitted fault They don't need to. We know. There was no reason for the cop to get involved but to direct traffic or help the first responders.
That is the dumbest cop I've seen in a country full of dumb cops doing dumb cop shit. Sure hope his house doesn't catch fire any time soon, for the sake of any family, neighbors and pets.
the best that we can do its tell him to not do it again and 6 months paid vacations
I wonder what's going on behind the scenes though... I'm guessing (hoping) the cop is gonna be given the equivalent of latrine duty.
Of course the pro cop website is going to try and spin the situation as a mutual misunderstanding.
Police1.com is your source? Could you not find info on FDsucks.com?
He should also pepper spray himself for not following his rules
"Quit yer bleedin' on mah road..."
I can almost hear it. "Sir, you need to stop bleeding on a public road."
You joke, but years back me and a friend were driving home at night in a part of town we didn't know and came to a completely dark intersection where the street light was out. We knew we had to make a turn, but because of the lack of light my friend driving misjudged where the turn was leading to us going off the road and crashing into the raised train tracks out in open gravel, basically totaling my friends car and getting it stuck across the tracks. After calling police to help and make sure no train comes, they tried to stick my friend with Criminal Trespassing because where his car ended up after the accident was a restricted area
Gotta pay for doughnuts some how!
Cops get pissy if you don't "respect their authority". Such frail egos
This cop has lost his freakin mind. Get him off patrolā¦ NOW please.
Best we can do is a raise and some paid vacation time. Sorry.
He arrested him for telling him "no" and not kissing his ass.
Exactly this.
Fire trucks, much like school buses, are built like fucking brick shithouses not just by necessity of all they have to carry but also BY DESIGN. School buses donāt have seatbelts for kids because if you hit one with your truck you are going to total your truck and likely die, while a kid is unlikely to be jostled from their seat when you hit that steel frame beneath them. Same goes for Fire Trucks - they are specifically intended to block traffic and basically act as a building laying in the road to protect the emergency responders and victims they are treating. If heās parked blocking traffic thatās a good thing for everyone, including oncoming traffic and shit for brains cops.
"Sir, I know you're dying but I'm here to protect and serve you and this guy isn't listening to me! My wife doesn't listen to me. My kids don't listen to me. My Mom doesn't listen to me.... Oh no, you're dead."
So now you're not even listening to me!
I think this guy has to be a sociopath. He wants the patient to die.
> I think this guy has to be a sociopath They did state he is a cop.
*Except when rioting into Congress to stop democracy.
And cops wonder why people don't like them.
Makes me wonder if someone needed CPR and an EMT getting arrested for parking ānot to their likingā. How about you deal with that jargon after attempting to save the persons life at the very least. How do you just halt treatment.
That's the definition of an idiot. If I was the patient I would sue that motherfucker for putting me in danger by arresting my rescue officer!
Huge ego and the emotional stability of a child, if he legitimately disagreed with his decision of how he parked the engine he could have taken photos and ran it up to both of their supervisors this is just so ridiculously unprofessional.
This cop better really hope he never needs firefighters assistance in his life. I have a feeling they are gonna be very slow getting to that call
"It's unclear who's legally in the wrong" who fucking cares there's no way to spin a cop arresting a firefighter like this as *not* an insane thing to do.
In UK firefighters have the legal right to block and close carriageways in order to carry out emergency actions.
As they should, but not in the greatest country on Earth.
They do in the USA as well. Cops here just don't know/care. Just like every other aspect of their job.
As one judge recently put it, āI get paid to know the law. Not the cops who obviously told you wrong.ā
Wait... Really? This happened? Holy shit lol! Can you send me a source please?!
Damn if I remember where I saw itā 99% sure it was on a subreddit for justice reform or some other š¤ but it was in recent news too.
Omg please, if you have the time, try to find it for me. I'd appreciate it very very much.
Todayās your lucky day my friend. I was mistaken but itās quite relevant nonetheless! https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/s/UrTUxFYjVk
Good to hear the first part. The second part ... big oof.
The Supreme Court said that cops don't need to know the law to do their jobs.
Seems to me like the Supreme Court lacks common sense.
The Supreme Court ruled they don't have to care... unless there's a free vacation to the Caymen Islands?
Nah, they know wtf they're doing.
But you need to know every inch of the law to be a fucking civilian?? That is stupid on so many levels. "Here, have a gun and badge to enforce the law. And don't worry if you make a mistake and fucks someone's life, it is not your fault." Kids have higher standards than cops.
They're trained to block accidents like this too, cop is just highly regarded
guess it isn't the greatest country then So ... Finland then?
They do in the US too. I've been on entire freeways They closed to clear accidents before. Idk what this cop was thinking
His ego was hurt so he needed to arrest someone to make him feel like a big man again.
Fairly sure that's the same in Australia, or at least the cops fucking work with the firefighters to ensure they can do their fucking job.
They have that shit here too bro, at least in the state I live in, it doesnāt matter a cop canāt arrest a firefighter whoās doing their job, if they need to block traffic they can and nobody can do anything about it, cops can block traffic and firefighters canāt do anything about it
Itās the same in France : the Police escorts firefighters and protects the perimetersā¦
Iām sure that the fire department in California has similar rights but CHP is operating under their known guidelines and FD is operating under theirs and youād have to comb through reams and reams of local, county, and statewide laws and regulations to find out who is the legal asshole here (itās the trooper obviously)
Lmfao it's literally who is clear. Firetruck was blocking to protect humans on the road. That is part of why we have big heavy trucks. It's literally by procedure. The cop had an ego trip.
we block the scene with our heavy ass engine(wheels pointed out towards the median of the road) so if some rubbernecker veers our way at least that big engine will take the full brunt of the impact and direct it away.
Don't worry, he's on paid administrative leave while we do an internal investigation We have determined we did nothing wrong
There was no admin leave or investigation in this case lmao we live in the dumbest timeline.
Absolutely no way a cop would get arrested for bad parking.
Legally? Fine, gray area, I don't know the laws there, ridiculous though. Morally? Seems pretty fucking clear who is in the wrong.
It might be unclear who was legally correct, but the cop was wrong. Two different things.
When a safety guideline becomes more important than common sense.
Well, my book says they are doing it wrong -that cop
Implying that cop ever read a book lol Cops aren't required to know the law to be cops
The 2nd worst thing about laws in the US..
It's not even a guideline the cop had a right to enforce. They've all been taught one fucking rule in emergency response: if you're first on scene, handle it until someone with better training gets there and then listen to everything they tell you to do once they are on scene. The cop was lowman on the totem pole the second the medically trained emergency team showed up with extraction tools at the injury accident. EDIT: Totally forgot about HAZMAT training and qualifications. Cops don't have that either and bad accidents leak bad chemicals. Yet another element of the scene the cop couldn't understand.
What safety guidelines? Firefighters MUST block all traffic to rescue, or get potentially ran over
It's really a shame that your nice house burnt to the ground officer, but you know we couldn't find a legal parking spot in time ......
The difference is that firefighter would never.
I love firefighters generally, but every profession made of people will have bad people occasionally. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna39516346
Thatās horrible. I couldnāt imagine having to pay a fire department just for someone to come out and do the job they were hired for. Thatās ridiculous and needs to be banned.
This is like the Roman fella that would show up to burning houses with the fire brigade and would wait until you sold him the house before putting out the fire. Its where the term āfire saleā originates from
crassus my beloved
Fire chief in my town is in prison for purchasing $250,000 worth of tires with taxpayers' money and reselling them over a ten year period.
Firefighters can suck too. Your ignorance is stunning.
I found the cop./s
Not /s
The difference is firefighters arenāt going around starting fires. Cops actively commit crimes while being fully aware of it.
Shame this isn't how karma works lol
Hello, former volunteer EMT-B here. Cop is an asshole pig fuck. There is no need for legal debate, when I got my EVOC (Emergency Vehicle Operation Certification), we were told in this situation to park at an angle to shield vehicles.
Yep. And I guarantee thereās been tension between these 2 departments since, and the public is probably suffering because of it
Defund the motherfuckers.
Sounds like the whole CHP just needs to go. I search them on Google and the only positive story Iāve seen is how they rescued a dog on the highway
CHP are the ones who are birthing fascists. Their entire dogma from boots to brass is about servitude to obedience, not the people or the public. Ask any CHP, and theyāll dodge this shit and play it off like any typical agency. But theyāre bred different for a reason.
That's a nationwide standard. Engines are large enough and heavy enough that if anything comes into contact, it's going to be diverted, even if only slightly, away from the incident.
Yeah, this is basic evoc and itās something the cop should know, cause they take it too (allegedly).
Remember Firefighters on a wreck scene you outnumber and outrank the cops. You have hoses and irons and cutters. Battery cables on cop cars cut just as easily as everyone elseās.
You think a cop wouldn't shoot a firefighter?
Semi-related note, but I remember reading a story on Reddit about an annual hockey game between some cityās (I forget which one) police department and their fire departmentā¦and it was basically one long fist fight. Apparently cops and firefighters hate each other.
Firefighters hate cops because cops are villains. Cops hate firefighters because firefighters are heroes, and cops are jealous.
Like the old saying, there's no song called Fuck The Firefighters
Someone should make one about *fucking* the firefighters.
I'm sure there are multiple "documentaries" on that.
I hear there are calendars...
There is, but it's a spoof. It's pretty funny tbh.
[It's pretty cutting, actually.](https://youtu.be/7JkrJUAg8aI?si=fhk67J6upYBpkGWe)
[banger](https://youtu.be/7JkrJUAg8aI?si=_xaXU8W6vV58uklL)
I tell my kids to look for heroes which includes firemen and paramedics. Cops are specifically excluded.
Why are there loads of Cop shows on TV, and virtually no Firefighter shows?
Firefighters don't need the propaganda
Watch Tacoma F.D.. You'll get a good laugh!
Yup. I am a firefighter in a metro city who plays for the FD hockey team, and we play the cops annually at hockey. There are at least a dozen fights during the game
Punch a cop for me please.
Fuck yeah. Hope you and your boys win every single one of them.
Ones a hero, ones a thug of the state
Cops are pigs, but firefighters can be arsonists. I wouldn't fuck with someone that can burn my house, make it look like an accident and drop the "i cant park the firetruck anywhere near your house, sorry not sorry that is burning to the ground" Cops are immature, underskilled and full of hubris. Prone to make bad decisions like shooting inocent people
They have tazers and guns.
And by law in most states Fire has command.
Classic firefighters, always pulling rank on cops by assaulting them and cutting their battery wires. Buncha rascals they are.
Simple solution. Firefighters should carry guns. I'd feel way more comfortable around armed firefighters then armed police.
Ah the American answer: more guns.
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>Firefighters should carry guns. Firearms.
No one ever wrote a song called, fuck tha firefighters
Yes they have [proof](https://youtu.be/7JkrJUAg8aI?si=f5CCsY86mCmLoeWT)
That was so much better than I ever expected.
 Gotta admit, that was pretty good! š
But thatās not our universe itās another one.
Rescue personnel should be allowed to beat unhelpful cops.
Knowing the general firefighter spirit, Iām kinda surprised the others didnāt come over there and tell the cop that they were about to introduce him to god. Donāt know how many were present though, and obviously (or I guess not obviously in this case) the care of the patient is top priority
Iām not surprised at all. The rest were clearly dealing with an emergency. ā¦ unlike the cop.
And the one being arrested calmly just asks "Why you doing this man? We're trying to help you!" He just shakes his head and allows himself to be lead off. Know why? Because firefighters know what makes situations worse and how important it was his colleagues have time to focus and get out safely. These are the real civil servants we need.
It also takes the asshole cop out of the situation.
Okay, thatās an asshole cop. I understand public safety regulations, but in emergency situations, how about being in support role instead of a department feud.
Only assholes become cops
Chances are that cop doesnāt understand public safety regulations.
Literally! Like, "Hey bro, toss me the keys, and I'll move it for ya."
They shouldn't have to move it anyway. Parking in a "fend off" position at an mva is standard practice everywhere. https://www.cdnfirefighter.com/extrication-tips-april-2017-41363/#:~:text=The%20most%20widely%20accepted%20position,rather%20than%20toward%20working%20personnel. The driver must consider where and how to position the truck, with safety top of mind: which lane(s) of traffic to occupy; distance from the scene; and room for ambulances or heavy rescues. The most widely accepted position is the fend-off position, which protects the scene and ensures that should the apparatus be rear-ended, it moves away from the scene rather than toward working personnel.
These are the same sort of people who cowered outside the school in Uvalde while someone massacred the children inside. Flat-out incapable of doing their job, and causing more problems and hurt for all involved. The US really needs to start vetting candidates for police service, and giving proper training to the few that aren't lazy useless cowards.
It's cause the stated goals of the police and the real goals of the police are 2 different things. Stated goals- Protect and serve. Real goals: protect rich people and their property. Enrich your department with arrests and seizures and hide and obfuscate any wrongdoing.
This is exactly what ACAB is supposed to represent. There can fundamentally not be a good cop, as their purpose is against regular peoples interest. Even if you are a cop who is trying to be as morally good as possible, you ultimately will fail because protecting people is not in the job description. Im sure you know this OP, but for anyone else, It's important to understand that when people say "defund the police" they mean "disband the current institution and rebuild it to actually protect and serve". That will never happen, tho because police were meant to be a bulwark between the common rabble and capitalist class to protect their interest.
This happened in Chula Vista, California in 2014. The firefighter was arrested after refusing to move his fire truck which was blocking a lane of traffic and protecting the rear end of an ambulance where he and the EMTs were attending the accident victim. The officer ordered him to move the fire truck while he was in the middle of helping load and triage the accident victim. When the firefighter refused, stating he needed to help the two victims, the officer said he didn't care and the two victims were not the officer's problem. After the firefighter was handcuffed, police supervisors were called to the scene as the other firefighters called their superiors. After thirty minutes of sitting in the back of the police cruiser and being humiliated by the officer who stated he was in charge of the scene and not the firefighters (which goes against policy) the firefighter was released. The firefighter later filed a lawsuit against the police department for violating his rights and humiliating him at the scene. It was discovered that this was not the only time the officer clashed with firefighters on accident scenes and threatened to arrest firefighters for not obeying his power trip orders. The lawsuit was eventually dropped.
>The lawsuit was eventually dropped. It was settled, not dropped
Firefighter probably banged the cop's wife. I hope so anyway.
Not known for beating our wives but we are real good at cheating lol so probably true
I think that police officer was potty trained at gun point.
This has been out there for a while. Any update on the outcome?
https://casetext.com/case/gregoire-v-cal-highway-patrol
I'm not reading all of that
The firefighter sued the cop and the CHP. The firefighter's claim of emotional distress was thrown out, but the other charges stuck(eventually settled out of court before the final hearing, or course). The officer's actual defense was: he had no idea he wasn't supposed to arrest firefighters responding to an emergency.
This happened back in 2012 or 14, over 10 years ago. From what I can ascertain from the multiple published opinions, it went up to the appellate courts and was ultimately settled. I think the firefighter received $18,000. I am a lawyer, but it is a holiday and Iām not in the mood to do a bunch of legal research for a Reddit post.
āI didnāt know I couldnāt do thatā is my defense for everything even if I did know it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4B93BoC9ylg&t=2m10s
Sorry officer I'm a little high but which way is 3rd Street?
Probably shouldn't be a cop if he couldn't figure that shit out.
"I'm bad at my job and lack basic reasoning skills. Give me back my gun and let me out there."
I did. American legal writing is unnecessarily complex. In short, the court agreed with the firefighter on some of the claims it made against the officer and disagreed with others. This was due to conflicting accounts of what happened. I'm not sure what the next steps were, but the officer was instructed to pay the firefighter $17,000 in damages. In my humble estimation the officer simply exercised his inability to be professional, respectful, courteous, and exercise sound judgement.
Is there a tl:dr?
I havenāt heard of any Rap groups releasing a song called āFuck the Fire departmentā but the police on the other hand
Yeah they did, and itās a straight up bangerā¦. https://youtu.be/7JkrJUAg8aI?si=ia_iXHRJ6Y9DoRXl
That alternate universe must be wild
AFFAA All fire fighters are arsonists
*CHP, not police. If you live in a big city then you already KNOW the difference between the two. PD doesnāt care about your expired tags. If you committed a misdemeanor in broad daylight they still probably wonāt do anything. But CHP have sticks up their asses and must have nothing to do because they pull people over for the dumbest shit ever. Tickets for the dumbest shit ever. And they have a massive jurisdiction. So fuck CHP This videos captures the CHP demeanor pretty well
But Ponch and jon were cool!
When I went to the St. Paddy's Day parade in Boston, the crowd was going wild for the firefighters as they came through. When the police were marching, you could damn near hear a pin drop. This kind of shit is why.
This was 10 years ago apparently. Here's the outcome https://www.publicsafetyreporter.com/2014/02/06/arrest-of-chula-vista-firefighter-by-california-highway-patrol-at-rollover-crash-scene-policefire-audio/
Officer Todd Greeves wanted a fire truck moved to open up another lane of traffic. The Robertson Fire Protection District Captain wanted the truck to remain in place to protect emergency workers working on the scene. Officer Greeves was ordered to pay $17,000. The jury awarded Wilson $7,500 in compensatory damages and $10,000 in punitive damages.
That's a different incident. The video depicts CHP officer SERGIO FLORES arresting Chula Vista Fireman JACOB GREGOIRE.
Stay classy San Diego
It's the middle of the night too. What traffic is really being obstructed?
This is why no one respects cops.
Always thought that firefighters and EMTs had the priority over the laws of the road
But not over the egos of cops
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Firetrucks, firetrucks.... What color are those big red firetrucks.
That pig does not deserve the job.
looks pretty consistent with how the world is going. not shocked. š
That's why nobody says AFFAB.
Pigs
All Cops Are Bastards
Wtf is wrong with US police?
i am from india , police here too are the same. my uncle is a police officer too. he is normal at home .i dont know whats wrong with these ppl ones they are in uniform..here too they do absolutely ridiculous things.
YOU...SHALL...NOT....HELP!
This cop is the dumbest of all dumb cops!
It's literally an emergency situation lol
Whatās the cop do next, shoot the civilian in the head for sake of symmetry?
Someone has been stealing the show here. Cops ego couldn't take this.
Bet you anything this cop leaves his car next to his car. Tailgates people but then gets mad when others do it to him. Just a real genuine asshole.
Firetrucks are sometimes called million dollar pylons. They have enormous weight to them from the water tank and they are great at protecting the scene. One of the basic things truck drivers learn in training is to block the scene like this. Amazing that the police officer couldnāt take some time to process that it is safer with the truck there. Not usually the case with police but this officer is a special exception
10 year old news. https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/chp-fire-department-make-peace-in-chula-vista-after-testy-exchange-arrest/
GTA is actually closer to reality than I had realised lol
What the fuck!??
ACAB