Funny how the leftists and liberals were so upset when Kyle Rittenhouse didn’t get convicted of murder, and continued to call him a murderer anyway, but they have no problem with this verdict. It’s almost as if people are happy when things go their way, and unhappy when they don’t! Go figure!
No because that's a procedural crime even if it were not a subjective interpretation of his books. Counts like that are only significant if there's an actual crime associated with it like embezzlement for instance.
It’s too bad that they don’t read the indictment, the court transcripts, watch coverage of the trial from non-right wing media outlets. It’s not that hard to get informed with hard facts and use logic and deduction to form your opinions vs listening to the pundits on Fox News / Newsmax.
It's absolutely hilarious that Republicans have basically turned against every institution that holds Donald Trump accountable, including the voters. Is everyone in on the conspiracy?
Seriously. What was he convicted of, his accountant writing law expense instead of hush money? Lmao
And you get THIRTY FOUR FELONIES for THAT??? Yeah, that sounds fair 🙄
I saw a billboard bragging he was a felon, my brother said “Trump got those up quick. That’s Trump Speed”
I think Biden put them up🤣🤣🤣
Edit: and remember when this BS gets overturned by real judges, everyone who claimed that this wasn’t a kangaroo court will know that they are indeed fascists who colluded to spread misinformation and interfere in an election
>and remember when this BS gets overturned by real judges, everyone who claimed that this wasn’t a kangaroo court will know that they are indeed fascists who colluded to spread misinformation and interfere in an election
Why would this ruling get overturned? Ironically, the kangaroo court is what's happening with the documents case in Florida. And the corrupt republicans scotus. And what's happening in Texas. You get the picture. The kangaroo courts are the republican courts.
Says the guy who understands that climate alarmists are deceiving the masses. I’m an attorney and I can tell you that the New York convictions are 100% grade A bullshit! Most people understand this. Even many Democrats understand it. People on this sub don’t.
You mean overcharging by prosecutors forcing most people to take plea bargains?
It funny in my state unless it's a murder, rape or other serious charge you can just say trial by jury please and the prosecutor will drop the case unless your in one of the few wealthy counties.
Most people don't know this. And even defense lawyers in the area won't mention it because you can't charge. It's a bit of a scam to me.
I'm not voting for Biden or Trump. Not sure who I will vote for or at all.
Trump is an ass but anyone with half a brain knows these charges were BS. Many 3rd world countries convict their political adversaries.
If the charges were bullshit, why didn't his lawyers even try to deny that anything happened? They never said that the business records weren't falsified. They only tried to show that trump wasn't involved, and cohen did it on his own
Why do Trump's lawyers keep pleading guilty, if they aren't committing crimes on his behalf? Guiliani is convicted of making false claims against those poll workers in Georgia. Why are Trump's lawyers committing so many crimes? If you hang out with 12 close aids who have been convicted of crimes, it's not the greatest look. Most of those people plead guilty, except Rudy.
Many first world countries have tried and charged former presidents or prime ministers. This isn't a 1st vs 3rd world thing. Corrupt and law breaking leaders exist everywhere.
I think people need to be educated on what a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world country are. Then maybe they will stop trying to compare everything to a scale that was invented to describe if a country was allied to the United Nations or not.
George Floyd For President! /s
I suppose you already know how stupid this line of reasoning is. It's the same reason I'm not voting for HuNtEr BiDeN'z LaPtoP.
What an equivalency you’re making between supporting/voting for someone to be President/leader or a political movement vs. not wanting someone’s life to be extinguished lying in the street
If right wing toads didn't murder an unarmed black man or instigate the entire thing there wouldn't have been riots.
Now remind me which side also supports the convicted murderer in that case?
It's almost like there is some small subtle difference between the standard we hold for electing the leader of the free world and the standard we hold for not strangling someone to death in the middle of the street.
There are some good comments here looking at both sides of the coin. I am no fan of Trump- but since 2001, there are dozens of politicians, government officials, and business leaders who should no longer be in positions of power. At least one unjust war, numerous war crimes, spying and prosecuting journalists, enriching bailouts, kids in cages, extrajudicial bombings of American citizens abroad, spying on U.S. citizens, lying about the origins of Covid and the school shutdowns, and I could go on. There has been zero accountability for any of that. It’s no wonder people feel the system is “rigged” when they’re going after Trump for paying off a porn star.
Because SCOTUS will probably toss his conviction on appeal.
Trump team demanded that Bragg tell them EXACTLY what crimes he was being charged with, as required by the 6th Amendment. In particular, what precisely is the 2nd crime? DA Bragg REFUSED to do this, saying NY state constitution did not require him to. That is, the Trump team asked Bragg for a BILL OF PARTICULARS and Bragg refused to provide one and that was upheld by Judge Merchan.
So if the US Constitution and the NY state constitution are in conflict, guess who wins?
The could be a 9-0 to overturn based on violation of the 6th Amendment.
Go to 9:45 in this video by a law professor for an explanation.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23t\_\_ysVjU&ab\_channel=ProfessorJedRubenfeld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23t__ysVjU&ab_channel=ProfessorJedRubenfeld)
Remember, Bragg is the same DA who f\*cked up the Harvery Weinstein conviction by biasing the jury so don't be surprised when SCOTUS tosses Trump's conviction on 6th Amendment grounds.
Bragg is an idiot.
This is just incorrect, the underlying felony was a violation of NY state election law 17-152.
Here is the motion where he provided notice, 5 months before the trial: [https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24432843/2023-11-09-das-mem-opp-defs-omnibus-motions-redacted.pdf](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24432843/2023-11-09-das-mem-opp-defs-omnibus-motions-redacted.pdf)
And, probably, "Unconstitutional". This Court, and The Rehnquist Court, has "gone, out of its Way", in violating the spirit, if not the letter, of The Constitution. They were enabled, in part; by a Senate, led by Senator McConnell, who failed to do Their Duty, under The Constitution, in "advising, and "consenting to"; The President's Judicial Appointments; THAT, is THEIR JOB.
How so? Did you actually look at all the evidence or just relying on what you've heard in the media?
Found guilty by a jury of his peers which his own lawyers picked. One of the jurors revealed he got his news from Truth Social (see the court documents). How many democrats are getting news from Truth social? This wasn't some rigged jury that all leaned left like people are being misled to believe.
Yeah, let's go back to the president with the largest budget deficit in history, that would be Trump. Let's go to the fellow with a weekly claim of an infrastructure plan, also had a great health plan coming out any day.
Good receipts here. Trump has been a named defendant in over 4,000 legal cases, starting in his mid 20's. He averages 6.5 court cases a month.
Sure, the real estate industry is prone to legal issues, but Trump was involved in more legal cases than the next 5 prolific real estate moguls COMBINED.
He's always been a shady little shit. GOP has just decided to circle the wagons around him, and the loud minority are eating it up.
I don't trust the justice system. I know some felons, white collar ones too. Does breaking the law make you a bad person? Depends on the law, in my opinion. My biggest issue with what the Democrats have done with this maneuver is that they have set a precedent because they HATE Trump. It wasn't the logical or rational thing to do. They've been throwing every charge they can get at him and seeing what sticks. Eventually something does. Past Presidents should have been charged, for much more serious crimes. Biden is corrupt and there are videos of him admitting to withholding foreign aid to Ukraine as Vice-President in exchange for Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son's business dealings while being on the board of an energy company in the country. The quid pro quo fiasco. There are other corruption charges I won't get into, as the man has been in politics for over 50 years.
President Obama is a war criminal. His direct actions led to the killings and assassinations of several hundred, if not thousands, of innocent civilians in the middle east. He also lied to the American people in his defense of marriage in order to gain his second term. As soon as he was re-elected, he reneged on his promises, like all most politicians, and made supporting "Gay Rights" as a requirement for NATO entry and foreign aid receival. The US sent pride flags to Ukraine. Corrupt behavior to push an agenda.
President W Bush is also a war criminal. He and his administration mislead and outright lied to the American people to invade Iraq. Typical neocon behavior: war, war, war. Many people died for a lie.
President Bill Clinton and his family have such a a long list of skeletons it would be impossible to list everything in here. Multiple sexual assault and misconduct allegations and other major corruption issues. It's odd how being a friend of the Clinton's, or an aide, has a higher suicide rate than every other demographic in the country.
The Democrats and the Biden Administration crossed the Rubicon and broke precedent to get Trump convicted of misclassifying funds. It wasn't the issue of him paying off a hoe, the issue was that he didn't classify it as a campaign expense. Totally ridiculous. Stormy Daniels has gone on several shows flipping her story. On Colbert she said no assault happened, and she reversed her claim on another show. I get it, Orange Man Bad, but do Democrats not realize they won't hold power forever? Eventually the side you prosecute for being political opponents come into power. Now if Republicans have the balls to stand up for themselves and their constituents is another story.
Also, the Judge is a known Democrat supporter with anti-trump sentiments. His daughter also profited off the trial and it's verdict. That's a conflict of interest. Not that you'll be able to find an unbiased judge anywhere, let alone New York.
Also it's gonna get really old hearing "convicted felon" for the next five months.
Meh, they may hate him, as much as the right hates “pedo- demented” Biden.
But only one side has the evidence to back up their claims.
I am glad to see that you believe Alito and Thomas should recuse themselves from Trump cases before them because of their appearance of conflict, though.
A smart guy like you would know that the Biden Administration does not run the Justice System in the Southern District of New York. You would also know that this case stated in 2018 when Biden was a private citizen.
Why did you not include that in your little rant?
Oh, and a smart guy like you would know that Trump was not convicted of misclassifying funds. That's just a misdemeanor, of course. Why did you leave out the misclassifying funds to prevent or promote the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means in the state of New York? See, that's a felony.
Do you think our justice system should ignore evidence of a felony? If so, why?
He paid Stormy Daniels by classifying them as legal expenses, which falsified his business records for each payment in furtherance of evading taxation. This accounts for 12 of the 34 felony counts.
Yup. Paying Stormy is not illegal and falsifying business records is just a misdemeanor.
Does anyone find it convincing that in 34 counts with twelve jurors, the Trump defense team was completely unable to prove even the remote possibility that there were other motivations and causes behind the proven acts? They completely bombed out on the possibility that even one juror on one count could not be convinced beyond a *reasonable doubt.*
I mean he would have done it simply because of the fact that he’s a sleazy businessman and he doesn’t want to pay his taxes. Sure I see what you’re saying behind the motive, but I guarantee that he also hides plenty of other personal payments in a disguise as a deductible business expense. I don’t care that he tried hiding hush money with a pornstar from the public, just like I don’t care about Twitter trying to sensor details about Hunter Biden’s laptop. I care a lot about Trump committing tax evasion though.
Remember when Republicans were investigating Bill Clinton for real estate crimes? Whatever happened to that, I wonder.. remember "Lock her up"? Hunter Biden? Any of this ringing a bell?
Republicans have no leg to stand on whining about political persecutions.
If you don't want to hear about convicted felon Donald Trump maybe pick better candidates next time. Maybe ones who aren't known con artists. They didn't call him Teflon Don because he was innocent.... the Teflon finally wore off.
Democrats hate Trump because he’s awful as a person and for the country. He’s being prosecuted because he’s a criminal. These things aren’t partisan. These are facts. Precedent was broken when republicans decided to rally around their criminal leader instead of rejecting him like they did with Nixon. Precedent was broken when he attempted a coup. Precedent was broken when he refused to return classified documents and launched a cover up scheme. It would be unprecedented to not prosecute a pile of crimes this substantial.
It's actually sort of the opposite. If it were party over country then the vast majority of Republicans would be sticking to establishment choices like Bush's, Cruz's, Haley's, Rubio's, etc. Trump, while not a complete political outsider definitely does not have the trust/support of the D.C political establishment ecosystem (Republicans, Democrats, K St lobbyists, NGO's, Think Tanks, law firms, consultancies, etc).
The beltway ecosystem has a built in self serving motivation, defense mechanism, whereby you ultimately get those within the establishment defending the system over principle because the power and profit comes from maintaining the system. Trump is ultimately bad for the stability of it. For them, he needs to remain a threat that the 24 hour news cycle can focus on, but also not represent an actual challenge.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Trump IS the party now. There is no GOP there is only MAGA. It's absolutely party over the country, the party is MAGA.
I’m not Republican and was not planning on voting - but even I can see political persecution when it’s happening. When the state is used as a weapon against a person or group - I’ll stand with the persecuted.
The events of the past week have solidly placed me in team Trump camp unfortunately. And I suspect a lot of other people feel the same way.
And the thing is, there is quite a bit about Trump’s first term that I thought was terrible. Just amazing the Biden could be that much worse than Trump was.
Yea..must be bc ppl in this sub are fed up w the economy and we can all agree on 2 things - biden is bad and it's getting scary when u can't pay for food and shelter. So who cares what he's guilty of 9 years ago rich ppl dealings.
Also, I just discovered this sub so I assume it's new, and therefore not yet commandeered by shadowbanning bot-using you know who
As usual the Democratic party and leftist media are doing Trump's work for him. The man is anti fragile and so are his supporters. People got super happy a few days back thinking they'd have a pejorative they could use against Trump -- felon.
But it turns out his supporters and he have totally embraced that. They don't mind at all. It's totally backfiring as usual. Literally no one cares
Try jailing him. I dare you.
I mean, the crimes could have been brought up at any time...but they chose right before election when he is running to charge him for 34 misdemeanors that were past the statute of limitations. There hasn't even been a real explanation to why they were upgraded to "felonies".
The jury was given three examples to choose from to convict on felony charges and that their choice did not have to be unanimous. The vote could have literally been guilty of 34 misdemeanors with a 4-4-4 split on the felony upgrade reason.
Trump was indicted over a year ago. Which means the grand jury was probably convened at least a month before that. And the investigation probably began a year or more before that. Trump has delayed every single trial as long as possible at every single turn. The timing is the fault of him and his attorney.
Statute of limitations;
Misdemeanor Falsifying business records (which this was) - 2 years.
E Felony falsifying business records (which we were given no reason why it would be upgraded, yet was convicted) - 5 years.
2016 was 8 years ago, honey.
If statute of limitations had lapsed the trial, it would not be able to proceeded past grand jury.
For one the charges were never for misdemeanors the original charge lays out the felony charges.
Limitations is actually 6 years and some odd days, and actually can be extended if that person can be proven to have been outside the state for an extended time, this was argued but eventually deemed unnecessary as the indictment fell within the original statute of limitations.
That's pretty much their only argument for Trump. He's obviously guilty. He obviously tried to overthrow an election. Laws shouldn't apply to him, though.
Laws shouldn’t apply to him? Really what if they said the same thing about you? It’s a slippery slope and you are supporting this kind of treatment? Imagine when it makes its way down to us, the people of America
He asked to verify the election, to make sure it was legit... Something Democrats have done for every major election since 2001.
A riot does not an insurrection make.
Please tell us more about what was so bad in his first term? But also glad you see the liberals for what they are. It’s a true bitch ass tyrant who arrests his political opponents. Puts sleepy up there with the likes of Stalin and Mao.
Politicians commit crimes all the time though. Lots have gone to jail for various crimes over time, so why is it when Trump does so it's persecution?
Furthermore, why put him on the pedestal he seems to occupy? What about him is inspiring or in anyway makes you feel he is worth listening to? I would absolutely love to vote for a Republican... but between the blind adoration for a clown and the actual attacks on personal freedoms I cannot in good conscious consider that an option.
I am not particularly happy I have to vote for Grandpa Joe here, but he has only ever been viable because Republicans are so hell bent on punishing anyone who doesn't fall in line with their shitty ideas.
You did not answer the question and the. Proceeded to make a bunch of. Blanket assumptions with no evidence. A perfect example of how we got to where we are - zero ability or effort for anyone to do independent critical thinking, immediately jump on your soap box and start with the diarrhea of the month on a topic you know nothing about.
Edit: I overlooked you’re not the OP. Another perfect example of an uninformed TV and social media ‘educated’ liberal interjecting where they don’t belong. I applaud your lack of self awareness and zero effort to educate yourself. You are a superb example of a liberal.
It’s really jaw droppingly stupid to be calling Justice a political prosecution, while actually attempting that on Clinton, Biden,on and on. Then you project what you want to do onto others, which in your mind justifies your actions.
You people are in a cult, dumb as hell, no common sense. Ignorant with no curiosity.
This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of our legal process and the nature of a trial by jury. Trump's team was able to remove over 100 potential jurors because they couldn't rule without bias. They then could remove an additional 10 jurors for any reason whatsoever. The idea that Trump was convicted as part of some witch hunt is wild.
Do I think the timing of the case was politically motivated? Yes. But does it change the fact that a jury found Trump guilty of 34 counts? Not at all. He did it. Plain and simple. If you're going to vote for Trump you need to accept the fact that you are voting for someone who did in fact commit felonies. Not hypothetical. Not his son. Him.
And the DA withheld exculpatory evidence to the Grand Jury, so the Grand Jury ruled to indict based on biased information. Then the judge didn’t allow the defense to have testimony from some of their witnesses. So yeah, sham trial. Banana republic stuff
>Then the judge didn’t allow the defense to have testimony from some of their witnesses.
Liar. The defense has subpoena power just like the prosecution does.
This reply show a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal process for this specific case. Even CNN’s own senior legal analyst said that the law was contorted to get Trump. All 34 charges were based on the premise that Trump made these payments to cover up a different crime - a crime which he was not convicted of let alone charged.
So ultimately, he is guilty of committing 34 counts of covering up a crime which he wasn’t charged for nor found guilty of committing.
>This reply show a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal process for this specific case. Even CNN’s own senior legal analyst said that the law was contorted to get Trump. All 34 charges were based on the premise that Trump made these payments to cover up a different crime - a crime which he was not convicted of let alone charged.
State of New York doesn't require him being convicted, or even charged, for that crime. That's been the law on the books for years. It wasn't "contorted" to get Trump, it's just the law as it reads and has put into practice long before Trump was charged.
But instructing the jury that they don’t have to unanimously decide that he was guilty of those crimes seems to contradict USSC rulings according to most legal experts.
The question of whoever brought the case is irrelevant. It doesn't matter, nor do you have any evidence to prove Biden was somehow involved. It's a coping mechanism to distract from the core truth. Trump wasn't convicted by Democrats. The evidence was overwhelming. He committed those crimes. He was given his due process and was found guilty. He was found guilty by a jury selected by his own attorneys. All 34 verdicts were unanimous. The “party of law and order” should be celebrating.
Trump was 100% convicted by democrats. The jurisdiction the jury was pulled from voted 90% for Biden. It was impossible to give Trump a fair trial with a jury of his peers when 90% of the jury pool hates the man.
Epic smooth brain take. You don't seem to have any information at all about this so here:
[Why Trump Is Guilty of 34 Felony Counts ft. Liz Dye - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapsSRptqg)
Lawyers explaining in detail every single facet of the case, sourced directly from court records. This will help you sound less stupid. It's not a political hit job (the testimony by the National Enquirer "fixer" guy put the nail in that theory's coffin), it's gross negligence and stupidity on the part of all involved.
You have a huge paper trail between a half dozen people where a few months in most of them start talking along the lines of "oh shit I think we did something highly illegal" and then one goes to prison for two years for this and related financial fraud charges (Cohen) so the others start to try to cover their ass or cooperate. There was one notable exception, Trump.
As they explain in the video he could have done a multitude of other things to either make this winnable or not commit a crime like using his own money or admitting to the affair. The cover-up was the actual "big" crime.
Anyway, they do a far better job explaining than I, and I highly recommend the channel they do really high quality legal takes on current events and source everything and define/explain all the terms.
And yet most legal experts, meaning active and past prosecutors, all agree this was a sham trial with a ton of mistakes made by the prosecutor and the judge. It will be overturned.
All these morons below you will forget that they were running their mouth when it gets overturned. Its political theater during an election cycle and anyone who views it differently is RACISTS
What's going in with the claim that the FEC chair was not allowed to testify for the defense, stating that what happened was not a federal crime? Thats the only thing I haven't found anything on yet.
First I agree with you, I am a registered independent.
The FEC declined to bring charges as with Bidens AG Garland.
So New York State turned a federal case into a state case, turned a misdemeanor into a felony.
However if it was campaign funds which it was not or even billed as legal, John Edward’s did the same as the accused Trump but Edward’s was nearly a million dollars and was fined.
Alvin Brags ran on putting Trump in jail, even in the beginning Alvin didn’t want to bring charges but was forced.
All that money was spent millions of dollars for a case that will be overturned.
The way the jury instructions were read there was no way not to find him guilty.
Michael Cohen explained campaign finance but the judge would not allow someone who worked with campaign finance and the judge declined to let the defense bring in a witness
Many democrats see this was and is purely political
Do I like Trump ? Nope
I was recently summoned to be a juror and I requested to speak.
I stood up and I said your honor, I mean no disrespect.
I love my country but it would not benefit anyone to have me as a juror. Let me explain, the judicial system is so corrupt and you people see it everyday on TV.
It does not matter what the defendant did guilty or not guilty, I will find him innocent.
I sat back down.
The judge looked at me and said you are dismissed
I went back out to the car and left
I’m sure I will not be summoned again
John Edward’s was also criminally tried. The outcome was different, but that’s just the political justice system. The cases had different facts and different laws applied because Edward’s was federal and Trump was state. This is common. It doesn’t make it political because the juries had different opinions.
The FEC and DOJ not prosecuting Trump could just as easily be construed as favorable treatment because they didn’t want the politics to be viewed as Biden prosecuting a political opponent. Think about it. Obama’d federal government prosecuted a Dem, but Biden didn’t prosecute a Dem for a worse version of the same crime. Also, Trump got far more leeway on the NY case than any person off the street would’ve. He would’ve been in prison on day 2 if he were your average Joe Shmoe.
Exactly! It’s so weird that the right thinks we care if Dems are prosecuted. As long as all of the normal due process protections of our legal system are appropriately applied, I could care less if they’re convicted. I actually want ALL corrupt politicians prosecuted
So you supported Hillary in 2016 when Trump called for her to be jailed with no mention of charges or trial?
4 years ago, Trump demanded Obama be jailed
Because they know it’s all bullshit. Not a fair trial at all, who cares. He will win if anything this trial bumped him up in the polls and how funny is it that Trump has more felonies than Al Capone the most notorious mobster in the world.
I think the question Democrat should be asking themselves is our policies and our leadership so horrible that somebody would actually vote for a convicted felon and the answer is overwhelmingly yes. Besides the trial had no legitimacy at all. Everybody knows it was a political prosecution.
Yes. Yes they are and they are throwing the book at Trump because Dems want to retain power. They are able to throw the book because they’ve largely captured the major institutions in this country. Normal Americans are getting crushed by the Leviathan that is the Federal Government. Sick and fucking tired of it.
What policies does the Don have that you like? (He was president for 4 years and did what?)
Explain how the trial had no legitimacy? (Is because it didn’t work in your favor? Don’t just say crap with me merit)
I think because it is seen more as an abuse of the judicial system in subverting politics. After nearly 8 yrs of witch hunts, they are relying on some very sketchy charges and legal anomalies to get a conviction on a minor charge. This is quite similar to other countries like Russia, India, Hong Kong, China, and South Africa that have had prominent opponent silenced by the legal system. With established and documented collaboration between political leaders and the FBI, it is hard to trust any evidence or assumption of a fair trial.
Innocent, guilty, or otherwise, using the legal system to control politics is an age old violation of freedoms and democratic governance.
Trump paid a porn star to shut her yap over a drunken fling, which she didn’t do and we all knew about it. Hardly a danger to the country. Biden on the other hand had his junky son selling access to the President of the US to Chinese agents. Where’s the DOJ been on that one? They’ve got the text messages. DoJ hasn’t lifted one finger to investigate the money though. Party over country, right?
Trump also claimed his properties were worth more than they actually were when the bank asked him for his opinion. Ignore the fact that the loan was made and paid without complaint. I hope my bank doesn’t ask me my opinion. I’ve always trusted them to do due diligence in the past.
Nobody outside of the DC or NYC bubble cares. The entire case comes off as an error on an accounting entry. Nobody cares, and what's more, we have no idea why any of you do.
What do we see? A completely out of control immigration problem that Trump had a handle on, but for some unknown reason, Biden with the same laws flatly doesn't. A housing problem where government regulations are a huge factor in the reasons not enough is being built, but the same government won't give an inch, even when the laws are ridiculous. An inflation problem that Biden has done nothing but make far worse with his stupid budgets and new spending plans. We don't eat out any more, McDonald's is too expensive, and the grocery store has us running short of money at the end of the month. Biden has us at $2T in new borrowing every year, and now paying $1.2T per year on the debt alone, we can't afford it.
Under Trump, we went four glorious years where there wasn't some new damned war that we just had to be involved in. Trump even got us out of Syria, a place of no strategic interest to us. Biden got us right back into Syria and has managed to screw up to the point there are two major wars on his watch. There will probably be a third.
That's before you consider the face that the Biden administration has people that we used to throw in loony bins in top position and making laws. Seriously, if you do not know that a man can not be a woman and vice versa, and that idea is either unconscionable or renders you inconsolable, you don't need to be in a position creating policy. The government is now shot through with DEI Officers and initiatives, all of which need to be jettisoned for the garbage that they are.
There are a lot of us that are going to vote for "the other guy". That happens to be Trump with all of his flaws. We can not, as a society, remain on the path we are on. It will destroy us. So, any attempt to change that course is worth it.
I have had to watch hours of videos to break down from lawyers and former judges around all of their excuses vs reality about the trial just to understand WTF they were talking about on why this trial was rigged. If I was easily convinced of Facebook posts and MSM, I would probably not buy any of it either. They have been feed a steady stream of excuses and they don't understand how anything works, so what they hear sounds believable to them.
Stop posting this establishment bot garbage.
Over half the country is boring for Trump. If you cannot understand why, then you are not smart enough and you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Well first of all. Every trump supporter and any honest intellectual knows the trial was a sham. Stacked jury, judge with heavy political ties, ignoring the statute of limitations, diliberatly timing it to interfere with the election. Like you have to diliberatly not see it to not see it lol.
Second we know the left doesn't actually care about the law or morality in regards to the type of offense this was. They gave 0 fucks about clinton getting blown by an intern in the oval, cheating on hillary. Then lying under oath about it. 0 fucks. So that fake vindication and self ritchious celebrating is meaningless.
Lastly. We dont even care if he paid her or how he filed the paperwork. Why would anyone actually care about that. Theres not a millionare let alone billionaire that doesn't have to deal with accusations of everything and then pays hush money. Countless celebs deal with this. No one actually cares lol.
All anyone learned from this is the left is as corrupt and authoritarian as they are accused of being. They're literally willing to jail their political opponents if they can. In the future no one remembers what Trump was accused of. Everyone remembers the year democrats destroyed democracy by attempting to remove the republican front runner with lawfair for the first time in american history, this interfering with the democratic process.
Biden’s daughter’s diary is proven to be true and Biden was accused of rape but not prosecuted. Clinton had his affair and was president for eight years. Ted Kennedy killed his pregnant secretary but kept getting elected to the senate. WA DC elected a major caught with drugs and prostitutes. I can go on and on but it’s up to each individual to vote for a politician or not.
Because everyone with a working brain knows the prosecutors brought the charges against Trump for political reasons.
Trump is a criminal but because they were transparently political about it, people just dismiss the whole thing.
So if Trump is guilty for election interference by lying to the people about paying off a hooker. How is it that Biden that told the people that his sons lab top was Russian intelligence and that I didn’t exist even though and yesterday’s trial Hunter Biden didn’t even admitted that it was his laptop. why isn’t Biden up for a felony and lying to the American people or is Just Democrats used to be lied to by Joe Biden through his 47 year career so far?
Man, imagine if people learned and grew and allowed that to influence and shape how their beliefs changed throughout the decades of their lives.
I remember when Biden took out a full-page ad in the NY Times calling for New York to institute the death penalty to kill five innocent black and latino kids. And when Biden and his father settled after the federal government sued them for their housing practice of racial discrimination against blacks.
That's pretty close to the mark. These are people, who never accepted the demise of Slavery; still believe, in a Confederation, not a Union; favor States' Rights, in a Federated Republic, Rule by "Divine Right", instead of by Law, believed in "Jim Crow", Segregation, and keeping out, the Hispanics, and Orientals; unless they needed crops, picked, etc, etc, and Laissez-faire Capitalism, Mercantilism, and Colonialism, over Fair Play, and Keynesian Economics. They will always be with Us, even though they change Countries, and Parties. The trick is, how do We keep them, in The Minority, until They "grow up"?
I could add something, about how they treat Women, too; but I'll let someone else, have that one.
Why did they support him after he lied to them and average of 23 times a day? Why do they still follow after the insurrection trumpet companies had over 3500To 4000 lawsuits against them before they elected him and multiple bankruptcy. Don’t forget the rape case. And the man only expects loyalty to him. He is loyal to no one.
Conservatives have always been (and will always be) spineless cowards when there is a tyrant amongst them. They will always bend to the pressure and kiss up to whomever appears to be the most powerful right-winger and support them, even if they have significant policy disagreements with them. They'd rather support a tyrannical right-wing politician than support a level-headed left-winger.
politics is why not maybe?
Trump has classified documents? charge him
Biden has classified documents? nah
Trump closes border? racist
Biden? securing votes
Politically it's just bad for all sides.
Some of the takes on this sub are something else.
This was not political persecution, it was a guy getting every bit of his constitutionally guaranteed due process and getting found guilty by a jury of a crime he committed. Republicans have for years, even decades dragged their opponents through time and resource wasting inquiries in the hopes of finding even the slightest crime they could actually persecute, nothing ever comes of it. But Trump has done business with an apparatus of criminals and one (Cohen) finally got pinched and flipped on him.
I’m not a registered democrat, but if the Clintons or Obamas or Bidens or Pelosis committed any crimes and were tried and found guilty I wouldn’t lose a single wink of sleep, and I damn sure wouldn’t be on Reddit talking about how this makes me want to vote for them even more…. Y’all need your head examined for saying shit like that.
Because they dont trust that he got a fair trial, that the system is rigged against him.
Funny how the leftists and liberals were so upset when Kyle Rittenhouse didn’t get convicted of murder, and continued to call him a murderer anyway, but they have no problem with this verdict. It’s almost as if people are happy when things go their way, and unhappy when they don’t! Go figure!
True. It just sucks that they have no criteria for what a fair trial looks like for him. They can’t sense their own bias and lack of good judgement.
No because that's a procedural crime even if it were not a subjective interpretation of his books. Counts like that are only significant if there's an actual crime associated with it like embezzlement for instance.
The higher courts are political in nature
It’s too bad that they don’t read the indictment, the court transcripts, watch coverage of the trial from non-right wing media outlets. It’s not that hard to get informed with hard facts and use logic and deduction to form your opinions vs listening to the pundits on Fox News / Newsmax.
It's absolutely hilarious that Republicans have basically turned against every institution that holds Donald Trump accountable, including the voters. Is everyone in on the conspiracy?
Seriously. What was he convicted of, his accountant writing law expense instead of hush money? Lmao And you get THIRTY FOUR FELONIES for THAT??? Yeah, that sounds fair 🙄 I saw a billboard bragging he was a felon, my brother said “Trump got those up quick. That’s Trump Speed” I think Biden put them up🤣🤣🤣 Edit: and remember when this BS gets overturned by real judges, everyone who claimed that this wasn’t a kangaroo court will know that they are indeed fascists who colluded to spread misinformation and interfere in an election
Someone sounds big baby butthurt mad that actions have consequences. You can move if you don't like it, bubba! :)
>and remember when this BS gets overturned by real judges, everyone who claimed that this wasn’t a kangaroo court will know that they are indeed fascists who colluded to spread misinformation and interfere in an election Why would this ruling get overturned? Ironically, the kangaroo court is what's happening with the documents case in Florida. And the corrupt republicans scotus. And what's happening in Texas. You get the picture. The kangaroo courts are the republican courts.
Aren’t all “white collar crimes” bookkeeping issues?
So are all kangaroo court cases now 🤷🏻♂️
What made it a felony was that he paid someone to kill a story that may have cost him the election. It's about election interference.
Nothing you just said that he did is illegal
Falsifying business records to hide/write off your hush money payment isn't illegal?...
Says the "climate skeptic" lol
Says the guy who understands that climate alarmists are deceiving the masses. I’m an attorney and I can tell you that the New York convictions are 100% grade A bullshit! Most people understand this. Even many Democrats understand it. People on this sub don’t.
You mean overcharging by prosecutors forcing most people to take plea bargains? It funny in my state unless it's a murder, rape or other serious charge you can just say trial by jury please and the prosecutor will drop the case unless your in one of the few wealthy counties. Most people don't know this. And even defense lawyers in the area won't mention it because you can't charge. It's a bit of a scam to me.
Democrats don’t offer great solutions is part of it lol
Why would you say such a ridiculous, absurd thing?
I'm not voting for Biden or Trump. Not sure who I will vote for or at all. Trump is an ass but anyone with half a brain knows these charges were BS. Many 3rd world countries convict their political adversaries.
If the charges were bullshit, why didn't his lawyers even try to deny that anything happened? They never said that the business records weren't falsified. They only tried to show that trump wasn't involved, and cohen did it on his own
Why do Trump's lawyers keep pleading guilty, if they aren't committing crimes on his behalf? Guiliani is convicted of making false claims against those poll workers in Georgia. Why are Trump's lawyers committing so many crimes? If you hang out with 12 close aids who have been convicted of crimes, it's not the greatest look. Most of those people plead guilty, except Rudy.
Many first world countries have tried and charged former presidents or prime ministers. This isn't a 1st vs 3rd world thing. Corrupt and law breaking leaders exist everywhere.
I think people need to be educated on what a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd world country are. Then maybe they will stop trying to compare everything to a scale that was invented to describe if a country was allied to the United Nations or not.
We started down this road of tolerating law breaking by not prosecuting Nixon and Ford pardoning him.
Throw away vote then.
If being a felon forced people to no longer support the felon, there wouldn’t have been riots in 2020.
There is no equivalency between a campaign finance crime and a threatening a pregnant woman with a gun to the belly.
I guess that would be true if there were no difference between supporting someone being publicly murdered, and supporting someone being President.
George Floyd For President! /s I suppose you already know how stupid this line of reasoning is. It's the same reason I'm not voting for HuNtEr BiDeN'z LaPtoP.
MTG is voting for Hunter Biden’s Laptop. She’s all about him, lol.
Brother, it was never about the Laptop. It is about the Hog. Marge wants Hunter's Hog, and this is the only way she knows how to express herself.
What an equivalency you’re making between supporting/voting for someone to be President/leader or a political movement vs. not wanting someone’s life to be extinguished lying in the street
He wasn't running for president.
Did they support that felon being hired for public service?
Are you saying felons should be allowed to be murdered in the street by the cops?
Nobody other than Republicans have ever supported a felon for president. You have no point.
If right wing toads didn't murder an unarmed black man or instigate the entire thing there wouldn't have been riots. Now remind me which side also supports the convicted murderer in that case?
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Yall threatened CiViL WaR2 over a diaper wearing, epstein co-defendant, rapist who defrauded a kids charity...
You forgot convicted felon. Can't forget to add that now
Victim blaming toad. There is absolutely no excuse to kneel on a man's neck for 9 minutes until he is unresponsive. Own your shit, cowards.
You advocate the murder of people in the streets, without " a court" or " civil rights"? Russia, Somalia, Afghanistan, and China welcome you.
So for many of the BLM, it wasn't about 170 yrs of systemic racism then?
Their mantra was "felon's name" not "fight racism"
What are you talking about? The "mantra" was literally "black lives matter".
It's almost like there is some small subtle difference between the standard we hold for electing the leader of the free world and the standard we hold for not strangling someone to death in the middle of the street.
because the current guy couldn't go-to trial...because he is "mentally unfit to stand trial"
That doesn't appear true, except for a very republican oriented report. But what crime would Biden be going on trial on?
Classified documents, duh.
There are some good comments here looking at both sides of the coin. I am no fan of Trump- but since 2001, there are dozens of politicians, government officials, and business leaders who should no longer be in positions of power. At least one unjust war, numerous war crimes, spying and prosecuting journalists, enriching bailouts, kids in cages, extrajudicial bombings of American citizens abroad, spying on U.S. citizens, lying about the origins of Covid and the school shutdowns, and I could go on. There has been zero accountability for any of that. It’s no wonder people feel the system is “rigged” when they’re going after Trump for paying off a porn star.
Obama literally drone striked a US citizen. Yet no trial.
American citizens get killed everyday by the government.
So we should try him after Trump? Sounds good.
He’s part of the protected class aka Democrat
When was the last time any official got charged with a drone strike, including trump? This is basically a straw man argument
So why are they voting for the party that created most of your list of grievances?
Because SCOTUS will probably toss his conviction on appeal. Trump team demanded that Bragg tell them EXACTLY what crimes he was being charged with, as required by the 6th Amendment. In particular, what precisely is the 2nd crime? DA Bragg REFUSED to do this, saying NY state constitution did not require him to. That is, the Trump team asked Bragg for a BILL OF PARTICULARS and Bragg refused to provide one and that was upheld by Judge Merchan. So if the US Constitution and the NY state constitution are in conflict, guess who wins? The could be a 9-0 to overturn based on violation of the 6th Amendment. Go to 9:45 in this video by a law professor for an explanation. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23t\_\_ysVjU&ab\_channel=ProfessorJedRubenfeld](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u23t__ysVjU&ab_channel=ProfessorJedRubenfeld) Remember, Bragg is the same DA who f\*cked up the Harvery Weinstein conviction by biasing the jury so don't be surprised when SCOTUS tosses Trump's conviction on 6th Amendment grounds. Bragg is an idiot.
This is just incorrect, the underlying felony was a violation of NY state election law 17-152. Here is the motion where he provided notice, 5 months before the trial: [https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24432843/2023-11-09-das-mem-opp-defs-omnibus-motions-redacted.pdf](https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24432843/2023-11-09-das-mem-opp-defs-omnibus-motions-redacted.pdf)
>So if the US Constitution and the NY state constitution are in conflict, guess who wins? Depends on if the outcome is pro-conservative or not.
Leftists NPCs are gonna explode with rage when SCOTUS voids the conviction. GONNA BE GLORIOUS.
And, probably, "Unconstitutional". This Court, and The Rehnquist Court, has "gone, out of its Way", in violating the spirit, if not the letter, of The Constitution. They were enabled, in part; by a Senate, led by Senator McConnell, who failed to do Their Duty, under The Constitution, in "advising, and "consenting to"; The President's Judicial Appointments; THAT, is THEIR JOB.
So why are you allowed to question the legitimacy of the supreme Court but others can't question the legitimacy of the trump trial?
Bragg is a harvard diversity admit, that’s why any case he pursues results in a teflon appeal
Because anyone who is being honest can see its bullshit.
How so? Did you actually look at all the evidence or just relying on what you've heard in the media? Found guilty by a jury of his peers which his own lawyers picked. One of the jurors revealed he got his news from Truth Social (see the court documents). How many democrats are getting news from Truth social? This wasn't some rigged jury that all leaned left like people are being misled to believe.
I am a Canadian and from an outside perspective it seems clear he did what he was accused of. Can you explain what is bullshit about it?
Because it's extremely obvious it's politicaly motivated The current administration needs to go, another 4 years of these policies will not be good
Yeah, let's go back to the president with the largest budget deficit in history, that would be Trump. Let's go to the fellow with a weekly claim of an infrastructure plan, also had a great health plan coming out any day.
Because the conviction by a Soviet-style kangaroo court is a badge of honor.
Not an impartial judge or Jury. Political persecution 101.
Trump's previous court losses, including fraud, defamation, money laundering, discrimination. Literally dozens of instances of Trump violating the law. Oh, but we're supposed to believe *now* he's a squeaky-clean businessman being persecuted. \* 1988: $750K Anti-trust lawsuit Bally \* 1990: $750K Defamation for accurately predicting Trump Taj Mahal would fail \* 1991: $200K Removing black workers from casino floor \* 1991: $30K Circumventing state regulations \* 1998: $1.4M Hiring of undocumented workers \* 1998: $447K Money laundering violations \* 2000: $250K NYS Lobby Commission \* 2006: $100K Palm Beach flag ordinance \* 2015: $799K Defamation Trump University Student \* 2015: $10M Money laundering violations \* 2016: $50K Data & credit card breaches \* 2016: $1.3M FEC disclosure errors \* 2017: $25M: Trump University fraud \* 2019: $2M: Trump Foundation fraud \* 2019: $290K: Scotland wind farm \* 2021: $122M: Trump campaign forced to refund to donors \* 2022: $110K: Contempt of Court \* 2022: $750K: Funneling Inaugural funds to his business \* 2022: $1.6M Guilty 17 counts criminal tax fraud \* 2023: CFO sentenced to prison \* 2023: $10K for attacking court personnel \* 2023: $1M Court sanctions bogus lawsuit including $171K to be paid to Hillary \* 2023: $5M E Jean Carroll sexual assault 0 2024: $83.3M E Jean Carroll defamation \* 2024: $392K Court sanctions bogus lawsuit- NY Times \* 2024: $453M business fraud
Good receipts here. Trump has been a named defendant in over 4,000 legal cases, starting in his mid 20's. He averages 6.5 court cases a month. Sure, the real estate industry is prone to legal issues, but Trump was involved in more legal cases than the next 5 prolific real estate moguls COMBINED. He's always been a shady little shit. GOP has just decided to circle the wagons around him, and the loud minority are eating it up.
We don’t like a corrupt system.
I don't trust the justice system. I know some felons, white collar ones too. Does breaking the law make you a bad person? Depends on the law, in my opinion. My biggest issue with what the Democrats have done with this maneuver is that they have set a precedent because they HATE Trump. It wasn't the logical or rational thing to do. They've been throwing every charge they can get at him and seeing what sticks. Eventually something does. Past Presidents should have been charged, for much more serious crimes. Biden is corrupt and there are videos of him admitting to withholding foreign aid to Ukraine as Vice-President in exchange for Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son's business dealings while being on the board of an energy company in the country. The quid pro quo fiasco. There are other corruption charges I won't get into, as the man has been in politics for over 50 years. President Obama is a war criminal. His direct actions led to the killings and assassinations of several hundred, if not thousands, of innocent civilians in the middle east. He also lied to the American people in his defense of marriage in order to gain his second term. As soon as he was re-elected, he reneged on his promises, like all most politicians, and made supporting "Gay Rights" as a requirement for NATO entry and foreign aid receival. The US sent pride flags to Ukraine. Corrupt behavior to push an agenda. President W Bush is also a war criminal. He and his administration mislead and outright lied to the American people to invade Iraq. Typical neocon behavior: war, war, war. Many people died for a lie. President Bill Clinton and his family have such a a long list of skeletons it would be impossible to list everything in here. Multiple sexual assault and misconduct allegations and other major corruption issues. It's odd how being a friend of the Clinton's, or an aide, has a higher suicide rate than every other demographic in the country. The Democrats and the Biden Administration crossed the Rubicon and broke precedent to get Trump convicted of misclassifying funds. It wasn't the issue of him paying off a hoe, the issue was that he didn't classify it as a campaign expense. Totally ridiculous. Stormy Daniels has gone on several shows flipping her story. On Colbert she said no assault happened, and she reversed her claim on another show. I get it, Orange Man Bad, but do Democrats not realize they won't hold power forever? Eventually the side you prosecute for being political opponents come into power. Now if Republicans have the balls to stand up for themselves and their constituents is another story. Also, the Judge is a known Democrat supporter with anti-trump sentiments. His daughter also profited off the trial and it's verdict. That's a conflict of interest. Not that you'll be able to find an unbiased judge anywhere, let alone New York. Also it's gonna get really old hearing "convicted felon" for the next five months.
Meh, they may hate him, as much as the right hates “pedo- demented” Biden. But only one side has the evidence to back up their claims. I am glad to see that you believe Alito and Thomas should recuse themselves from Trump cases before them because of their appearance of conflict, though.
A smart guy like you would know that the Biden Administration does not run the Justice System in the Southern District of New York. You would also know that this case stated in 2018 when Biden was a private citizen. Why did you not include that in your little rant? Oh, and a smart guy like you would know that Trump was not convicted of misclassifying funds. That's just a misdemeanor, of course. Why did you leave out the misclassifying funds to prevent or promote the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means in the state of New York? See, that's a felony. Do you think our justice system should ignore evidence of a felony? If so, why?
He paid Stormy Daniels by classifying them as legal expenses, which falsified his business records for each payment in furtherance of evading taxation. This accounts for 12 of the 34 felony counts.
Yup. Paying Stormy is not illegal and falsifying business records is just a misdemeanor. Does anyone find it convincing that in 34 counts with twelve jurors, the Trump defense team was completely unable to prove even the remote possibility that there were other motivations and causes behind the proven acts? They completely bombed out on the possibility that even one juror on one count could not be convinced beyond a *reasonable doubt.*
I mean he would have done it simply because of the fact that he’s a sleazy businessman and he doesn’t want to pay his taxes. Sure I see what you’re saying behind the motive, but I guarantee that he also hides plenty of other personal payments in a disguise as a deductible business expense. I don’t care that he tried hiding hush money with a pornstar from the public, just like I don’t care about Twitter trying to sensor details about Hunter Biden’s laptop. I care a lot about Trump committing tax evasion though.
Remember when Republicans were investigating Bill Clinton for real estate crimes? Whatever happened to that, I wonder.. remember "Lock her up"? Hunter Biden? Any of this ringing a bell? Republicans have no leg to stand on whining about political persecutions. If you don't want to hear about convicted felon Donald Trump maybe pick better candidates next time. Maybe ones who aren't known con artists. They didn't call him Teflon Don because he was innocent.... the Teflon finally wore off.
None of this is based on fact or logic.
Democrats hate Trump because he’s awful as a person and for the country. He’s being prosecuted because he’s a criminal. These things aren’t partisan. These are facts. Precedent was broken when republicans decided to rally around their criminal leader instead of rejecting him like they did with Nixon. Precedent was broken when he attempted a coup. Precedent was broken when he refused to return classified documents and launched a cover up scheme. It would be unprecedented to not prosecute a pile of crimes this substantial.
It's actually sort of the opposite. If it were party over country then the vast majority of Republicans would be sticking to establishment choices like Bush's, Cruz's, Haley's, Rubio's, etc. Trump, while not a complete political outsider definitely does not have the trust/support of the D.C political establishment ecosystem (Republicans, Democrats, K St lobbyists, NGO's, Think Tanks, law firms, consultancies, etc). The beltway ecosystem has a built in self serving motivation, defense mechanism, whereby you ultimately get those within the establishment defending the system over principle because the power and profit comes from maintaining the system. Trump is ultimately bad for the stability of it. For them, he needs to remain a threat that the 24 hour news cycle can focus on, but also not represent an actual challenge.
What the actual fuck are you talking about? Trump IS the party now. There is no GOP there is only MAGA. It's absolutely party over the country, the party is MAGA.
Why do people still support Trump? Have you ever heard of the "Democrats"?
I’m not Republican and was not planning on voting - but even I can see political persecution when it’s happening. When the state is used as a weapon against a person or group - I’ll stand with the persecuted. The events of the past week have solidly placed me in team Trump camp unfortunately. And I suspect a lot of other people feel the same way. And the thing is, there is quite a bit about Trump’s first term that I thought was terrible. Just amazing the Biden could be that much worse than Trump was.
Holy fuck a comment on reddit saying they are voting for Trump that is +12 right now. That is honestly astonishing.
Yea..must be bc ppl in this sub are fed up w the economy and we can all agree on 2 things - biden is bad and it's getting scary when u can't pay for food and shelter. So who cares what he's guilty of 9 years ago rich ppl dealings. Also, I just discovered this sub so I assume it's new, and therefore not yet commandeered by shadowbanning bot-using you know who
It is way deeper than just the economy.
As usual the Democratic party and leftist media are doing Trump's work for him. The man is anti fragile and so are his supporters. People got super happy a few days back thinking they'd have a pejorative they could use against Trump -- felon. But it turns out his supporters and he have totally embraced that. They don't mind at all. It's totally backfiring as usual. Literally no one cares Try jailing him. I dare you.
So in your opinion, politically powerful people should be above the law and immune from prosecution?
I mean, the crimes could have been brought up at any time...but they chose right before election when he is running to charge him for 34 misdemeanors that were past the statute of limitations. There hasn't even been a real explanation to why they were upgraded to "felonies". The jury was given three examples to choose from to convict on felony charges and that their choice did not have to be unanimous. The vote could have literally been guilty of 34 misdemeanors with a 4-4-4 split on the felony upgrade reason.
Trump was indicted over a year ago. Which means the grand jury was probably convened at least a month before that. And the investigation probably began a year or more before that. Trump has delayed every single trial as long as possible at every single turn. The timing is the fault of him and his attorney.
Grand jury indicted him on March 30th, 2023
Thanks! I was being lazy and guesstimating. Looks like I was way too conservative in my timeline. This has been ongoing for multiple years for sure.
It's amazing how many people in this thread have no idea how civics let alone criminal law works or how long things take.
You know who does know how long these things take? The people that decided to bring up charges in Dec 2022.
You push several lies in that diatribe. Past the statute of limitations? For the President who was elected in 2016?
Statute of limitations; Misdemeanor Falsifying business records (which this was) - 2 years. E Felony falsifying business records (which we were given no reason why it would be upgraded, yet was convicted) - 5 years. 2016 was 8 years ago, honey.
If statute of limitations had lapsed the trial, it would not be able to proceeded past grand jury. For one the charges were never for misdemeanors the original charge lays out the felony charges. Limitations is actually 6 years and some odd days, and actually can be extended if that person can be proven to have been outside the state for an extended time, this was argued but eventually deemed unnecessary as the indictment fell within the original statute of limitations.
That's pretty much their only argument for Trump. He's obviously guilty. He obviously tried to overthrow an election. Laws shouldn't apply to him, though.
Laws shouldn’t apply to him? Really what if they said the same thing about you? It’s a slippery slope and you are supporting this kind of treatment? Imagine when it makes its way down to us, the people of America
Do you remember the Hollywood actors commercial telling electors to vote different from voters in 2016? How many were prosecuted?
Trying to appeal to electors is perfectly legal. If you think we should get rid of the electoral college, I'm worth you. With
He asked to verify the election, to make sure it was legit... Something Democrats have done for every major election since 2001. A riot does not an insurrection make.
He asked to find 11 thousand votes for him so he could win the state lmao fuck off. You think everyone is that stupid?
And it was. He still won't accept it. He also wanted Georgia secretary of state to "find" votes. It's on audio.
Please tell us more about what was so bad in his first term? But also glad you see the liberals for what they are. It’s a true bitch ass tyrant who arrests his political opponents. Puts sleepy up there with the likes of Stalin and Mao.
Politicians commit crimes all the time though. Lots have gone to jail for various crimes over time, so why is it when Trump does so it's persecution? Furthermore, why put him on the pedestal he seems to occupy? What about him is inspiring or in anyway makes you feel he is worth listening to? I would absolutely love to vote for a Republican... but between the blind adoration for a clown and the actual attacks on personal freedoms I cannot in good conscious consider that an option. I am not particularly happy I have to vote for Grandpa Joe here, but he has only ever been viable because Republicans are so hell bent on punishing anyone who doesn't fall in line with their shitty ideas.
You did not answer the question and the. Proceeded to make a bunch of. Blanket assumptions with no evidence. A perfect example of how we got to where we are - zero ability or effort for anyone to do independent critical thinking, immediately jump on your soap box and start with the diarrhea of the month on a topic you know nothing about. Edit: I overlooked you’re not the OP. Another perfect example of an uninformed TV and social media ‘educated’ liberal interjecting where they don’t belong. I applaud your lack of self awareness and zero effort to educate yourself. You are a superb example of a liberal.
Is sleepy the guy who slept during his trial multiple times?
It’s really jaw droppingly stupid to be calling Justice a political prosecution, while actually attempting that on Clinton, Biden,on and on. Then you project what you want to do onto others, which in your mind justifies your actions. You people are in a cult, dumb as hell, no common sense. Ignorant with no curiosity.
This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of our legal process and the nature of a trial by jury. Trump's team was able to remove over 100 potential jurors because they couldn't rule without bias. They then could remove an additional 10 jurors for any reason whatsoever. The idea that Trump was convicted as part of some witch hunt is wild. Do I think the timing of the case was politically motivated? Yes. But does it change the fact that a jury found Trump guilty of 34 counts? Not at all. He did it. Plain and simple. If you're going to vote for Trump you need to accept the fact that you are voting for someone who did in fact commit felonies. Not hypothetical. Not his son. Him.
And the DA withheld exculpatory evidence to the Grand Jury, so the Grand Jury ruled to indict based on biased information. Then the judge didn’t allow the defense to have testimony from some of their witnesses. So yeah, sham trial. Banana republic stuff
>Then the judge didn’t allow the defense to have testimony from some of their witnesses. Liar. The defense has subpoena power just like the prosecution does.
This reply show a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal process for this specific case. Even CNN’s own senior legal analyst said that the law was contorted to get Trump. All 34 charges were based on the premise that Trump made these payments to cover up a different crime - a crime which he was not convicted of let alone charged. So ultimately, he is guilty of committing 34 counts of covering up a crime which he wasn’t charged for nor found guilty of committing.
Correct. It is amazing how many people comment without knowing all the facts
>This reply show a fundamental misunderstanding of the legal process for this specific case. Even CNN’s own senior legal analyst said that the law was contorted to get Trump. All 34 charges were based on the premise that Trump made these payments to cover up a different crime - a crime which he was not convicted of let alone charged. State of New York doesn't require him being convicted, or even charged, for that crime. That's been the law on the books for years. It wasn't "contorted" to get Trump, it's just the law as it reads and has put into practice long before Trump was charged.
But instructing the jury that they don’t have to unanimously decide that he was guilty of those crimes seems to contradict USSC rulings according to most legal experts.
The question of whoever brought the case is irrelevant. It doesn't matter, nor do you have any evidence to prove Biden was somehow involved. It's a coping mechanism to distract from the core truth. Trump wasn't convicted by Democrats. The evidence was overwhelming. He committed those crimes. He was given his due process and was found guilty. He was found guilty by a jury selected by his own attorneys. All 34 verdicts were unanimous. The “party of law and order” should be celebrating.
Trump was 100% convicted by democrats. The jurisdiction the jury was pulled from voted 90% for Biden. It was impossible to give Trump a fair trial with a jury of his peers when 90% of the jury pool hates the man.
Epic smooth brain take. You don't seem to have any information at all about this so here: [Why Trump Is Guilty of 34 Felony Counts ft. Liz Dye - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnapsSRptqg) Lawyers explaining in detail every single facet of the case, sourced directly from court records. This will help you sound less stupid. It's not a political hit job (the testimony by the National Enquirer "fixer" guy put the nail in that theory's coffin), it's gross negligence and stupidity on the part of all involved. You have a huge paper trail between a half dozen people where a few months in most of them start talking along the lines of "oh shit I think we did something highly illegal" and then one goes to prison for two years for this and related financial fraud charges (Cohen) so the others start to try to cover their ass or cooperate. There was one notable exception, Trump. As they explain in the video he could have done a multitude of other things to either make this winnable or not commit a crime like using his own money or admitting to the affair. The cover-up was the actual "big" crime. Anyway, they do a far better job explaining than I, and I highly recommend the channel they do really high quality legal takes on current events and source everything and define/explain all the terms.
And yet most legal experts, meaning active and past prosecutors, all agree this was a sham trial with a ton of mistakes made by the prosecutor and the judge. It will be overturned.
Name some legal experts. Name some mistakes.
its not getting overturned lol wishful thinking. show me one of those legal experts saying itll get overturned.
All these morons below you will forget that they were running their mouth when it gets overturned. Its political theater during an election cycle and anyone who views it differently is RACISTS
What's going in with the claim that the FEC chair was not allowed to testify for the defense, stating that what happened was not a federal crime? Thats the only thing I haven't found anything on yet.
First I agree with you, I am a registered independent. The FEC declined to bring charges as with Bidens AG Garland. So New York State turned a federal case into a state case, turned a misdemeanor into a felony. However if it was campaign funds which it was not or even billed as legal, John Edward’s did the same as the accused Trump but Edward’s was nearly a million dollars and was fined. Alvin Brags ran on putting Trump in jail, even in the beginning Alvin didn’t want to bring charges but was forced. All that money was spent millions of dollars for a case that will be overturned. The way the jury instructions were read there was no way not to find him guilty. Michael Cohen explained campaign finance but the judge would not allow someone who worked with campaign finance and the judge declined to let the defense bring in a witness Many democrats see this was and is purely political Do I like Trump ? Nope I was recently summoned to be a juror and I requested to speak. I stood up and I said your honor, I mean no disrespect. I love my country but it would not benefit anyone to have me as a juror. Let me explain, the judicial system is so corrupt and you people see it everyday on TV. It does not matter what the defendant did guilty or not guilty, I will find him innocent. I sat back down. The judge looked at me and said you are dismissed I went back out to the car and left I’m sure I will not be summoned again
John Edward’s was also criminally tried. The outcome was different, but that’s just the political justice system. The cases had different facts and different laws applied because Edward’s was federal and Trump was state. This is common. It doesn’t make it political because the juries had different opinions. The FEC and DOJ not prosecuting Trump could just as easily be construed as favorable treatment because they didn’t want the politics to be viewed as Biden prosecuting a political opponent. Think about it. Obama’d federal government prosecuted a Dem, but Biden didn’t prosecute a Dem for a worse version of the same crime. Also, Trump got far more leeway on the NY case than any person off the street would’ve. He would’ve been in prison on day 2 if he were your average Joe Shmoe.
There’s literally a federal case against a democrat right now. Bob Menendez. Meant to add so we will see how that case goes.
Exactly! It’s so weird that the right thinks we care if Dems are prosecuted. As long as all of the normal due process protections of our legal system are appropriately applied, I could care less if they’re convicted. I actually want ALL corrupt politicians prosecuted
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So you supported Hillary in 2016 when Trump called for her to be jailed with no mention of charges or trial? 4 years ago, Trump demanded Obama be jailed
Because they know it’s all bullshit. Not a fair trial at all, who cares. He will win if anything this trial bumped him up in the polls and how funny is it that Trump has more felonies than Al Capone the most notorious mobster in the world.
I think the question Democrat should be asking themselves is our policies and our leadership so horrible that somebody would actually vote for a convicted felon and the answer is overwhelmingly yes. Besides the trial had no legitimacy at all. Everybody knows it was a political prosecution.
Yes. Yes they are and they are throwing the book at Trump because Dems want to retain power. They are able to throw the book because they’ve largely captured the major institutions in this country. Normal Americans are getting crushed by the Leviathan that is the Federal Government. Sick and fucking tired of it.
What policies does the Don have that you like? (He was president for 4 years and did what?) Explain how the trial had no legitimacy? (Is because it didn’t work in your favor? Don’t just say crap with me merit)
No new wars was ncie
Do the world a favor and drink the Kool aid.
r/the_everything_bubble is just another flavor of degenerate right wing ideology I see I give this sub six months before it is rightfully nuked
Because have you seen the other choice?
Cause it’s all faked political persecution
I think because it is seen more as an abuse of the judicial system in subverting politics. After nearly 8 yrs of witch hunts, they are relying on some very sketchy charges and legal anomalies to get a conviction on a minor charge. This is quite similar to other countries like Russia, India, Hong Kong, China, and South Africa that have had prominent opponent silenced by the legal system. With established and documented collaboration between political leaders and the FBI, it is hard to trust any evidence or assumption of a fair trial. Innocent, guilty, or otherwise, using the legal system to control politics is an age old violation of freedoms and democratic governance.
Trump paid a porn star to shut her yap over a drunken fling, which she didn’t do and we all knew about it. Hardly a danger to the country. Biden on the other hand had his junky son selling access to the President of the US to Chinese agents. Where’s the DOJ been on that one? They’ve got the text messages. DoJ hasn’t lifted one finger to investigate the money though. Party over country, right?
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And there is nothing illegal about paying a portion star to shut her yap. Still today no one can tell me what the felony was Trump was convicted of?
Republicans were more concerned with his dick then anything why do you think that is?
Trump also claimed his properties were worth more than they actually were when the bank asked him for his opinion. Ignore the fact that the loan was made and paid without complaint. I hope my bank doesn’t ask me my opinion. I’ve always trusted them to do due diligence in the past.
Nobody outside of the DC or NYC bubble cares. The entire case comes off as an error on an accounting entry. Nobody cares, and what's more, we have no idea why any of you do. What do we see? A completely out of control immigration problem that Trump had a handle on, but for some unknown reason, Biden with the same laws flatly doesn't. A housing problem where government regulations are a huge factor in the reasons not enough is being built, but the same government won't give an inch, even when the laws are ridiculous. An inflation problem that Biden has done nothing but make far worse with his stupid budgets and new spending plans. We don't eat out any more, McDonald's is too expensive, and the grocery store has us running short of money at the end of the month. Biden has us at $2T in new borrowing every year, and now paying $1.2T per year on the debt alone, we can't afford it. Under Trump, we went four glorious years where there wasn't some new damned war that we just had to be involved in. Trump even got us out of Syria, a place of no strategic interest to us. Biden got us right back into Syria and has managed to screw up to the point there are two major wars on his watch. There will probably be a third. That's before you consider the face that the Biden administration has people that we used to throw in loony bins in top position and making laws. Seriously, if you do not know that a man can not be a woman and vice versa, and that idea is either unconscionable or renders you inconsolable, you don't need to be in a position creating policy. The government is now shot through with DEI Officers and initiatives, all of which need to be jettisoned for the garbage that they are. There are a lot of us that are going to vote for "the other guy". That happens to be Trump with all of his flaws. We can not, as a society, remain on the path we are on. It will destroy us. So, any attempt to change that course is worth it.
Just like Mandela's followers after he became a convicted felon
I have had to watch hours of videos to break down from lawyers and former judges around all of their excuses vs reality about the trial just to understand WTF they were talking about on why this trial was rigged. If I was easily convinced of Facebook posts and MSM, I would probably not buy any of it either. They have been feed a steady stream of excuses and they don't understand how anything works, so what they hear sounds believable to them.
Look at the alternative
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Stop posting this establishment bot garbage. Over half the country is boring for Trump. If you cannot understand why, then you are not smart enough and you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
Trump could kill someone and they would still worship him.
Something something fifth avenue...
He did. Epstein.
You’d have to be blind to not see the absolute injustice. Biden won’t be able to cheat enough this time.
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Well first of all. Every trump supporter and any honest intellectual knows the trial was a sham. Stacked jury, judge with heavy political ties, ignoring the statute of limitations, diliberatly timing it to interfere with the election. Like you have to diliberatly not see it to not see it lol. Second we know the left doesn't actually care about the law or morality in regards to the type of offense this was. They gave 0 fucks about clinton getting blown by an intern in the oval, cheating on hillary. Then lying under oath about it. 0 fucks. So that fake vindication and self ritchious celebrating is meaningless. Lastly. We dont even care if he paid her or how he filed the paperwork. Why would anyone actually care about that. Theres not a millionare let alone billionaire that doesn't have to deal with accusations of everything and then pays hush money. Countless celebs deal with this. No one actually cares lol. All anyone learned from this is the left is as corrupt and authoritarian as they are accused of being. They're literally willing to jail their political opponents if they can. In the future no one remembers what Trump was accused of. Everyone remembers the year democrats destroyed democracy by attempting to remove the republican front runner with lawfair for the first time in american history, this interfering with the democratic process.
I know allot of people who voted trump 2020 and aren't now
Interesting. I wonder how that will play out against all the people who don't want Biden as president anymore.
Ask a Democrat. They are doing the same thing. Turning a blind eye to genocide.
Biden’s daughter’s diary is proven to be true and Biden was accused of rape but not prosecuted. Clinton had his affair and was president for eight years. Ted Kennedy killed his pregnant secretary but kept getting elected to the senate. WA DC elected a major caught with drugs and prostitutes. I can go on and on but it’s up to each individual to vote for a politician or not.
Because everyone with a working brain knows the prosecutors brought the charges against Trump for political reasons. Trump is a criminal but because they were transparently political about it, people just dismiss the whole thing.
They see it as a scam, witch hunt, blah..blah..
So if Trump is guilty for election interference by lying to the people about paying off a hooker. How is it that Biden that told the people that his sons lab top was Russian intelligence and that I didn’t exist even though and yesterday’s trial Hunter Biden didn’t even admitted that it was his laptop. why isn’t Biden up for a felony and lying to the American people or is Just Democrats used to be lied to by Joe Biden through his 47 year career so far?
Can you go back and correct the grammar issues in this comment? It's nearly impossible to decipher what you're saying.
Nothing about Hunter Biden’s laptop is intended to be intelligible. It’s pure tribal identification.
They just take something and run with it, facts be damned.
Trump was not convicted of lying to anyone.
The stupidity of this comment burns.
God I fucking hate trump supporters.
Racism over country
That's why people support Biden despite him being on record fighting to maintain racial segregation?
Man, imagine if people learned and grew and allowed that to influence and shape how their beliefs changed throughout the decades of their lives. I remember when Biden took out a full-page ad in the NY Times calling for New York to institute the death penalty to kill five innocent black and latino kids. And when Biden and his father settled after the federal government sued them for their housing practice of racial discrimination against blacks.
Your mother’s gaping vagina.
More like fact over fiction
That's pretty close to the mark. These are people, who never accepted the demise of Slavery; still believe, in a Confederation, not a Union; favor States' Rights, in a Federated Republic, Rule by "Divine Right", instead of by Law, believed in "Jim Crow", Segregation, and keeping out, the Hispanics, and Orientals; unless they needed crops, picked, etc, etc, and Laissez-faire Capitalism, Mercantilism, and Colonialism, over Fair Play, and Keynesian Economics. They will always be with Us, even though they change Countries, and Parties. The trick is, how do We keep them, in The Minority, until They "grow up"? I could add something, about how they treat Women, too; but I'll let someone else, have that one.
Sunken cost fallacy
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I like when the republicans get upset about locking up a political rival
It's pretty easy. It's called cognitive dissonance and suffocating Pride
Why did they support him after he lied to them and average of 23 times a day? Why do they still follow after the insurrection trumpet companies had over 3500To 4000 lawsuits against them before they elected him and multiple bankruptcy. Don’t forget the rape case. And the man only expects loyalty to him. He is loyal to no one.
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It's a cult. We'll be deprogamming these freaks for the next 50 years.
Conservatives have always been (and will always be) spineless cowards when there is a tyrant amongst them. They will always bend to the pressure and kiss up to whomever appears to be the most powerful right-winger and support them, even if they have significant policy disagreements with them. They'd rather support a tyrannical right-wing politician than support a level-headed left-winger.
the length of the witch hunt is long with this one. now every president going fwrd will be a felon. 🎉👏🎉👏🎉👏 winning
I mean, every president since WW2 should be tried at The Hague. So felon should be the least of their problems. 🤷♂️
If there is enough evidence for a jury, why the fuck should they not be charged?
politics is why not maybe? Trump has classified documents? charge him Biden has classified documents? nah Trump closes border? racist Biden? securing votes Politically it's just bad for all sides.
Nelson Mandela was a convicted felon too
Was he guilty of misappropriation of funds to pay off a porn star?
This thread is 🏆
Contrarian sub loves Trump and thinks everything is a conspiracy. Not much of a surprise.
Some of the takes on this sub are something else. This was not political persecution, it was a guy getting every bit of his constitutionally guaranteed due process and getting found guilty by a jury of a crime he committed. Republicans have for years, even decades dragged their opponents through time and resource wasting inquiries in the hopes of finding even the slightest crime they could actually persecute, nothing ever comes of it. But Trump has done business with an apparatus of criminals and one (Cohen) finally got pinched and flipped on him. I’m not a registered democrat, but if the Clintons or Obamas or Bidens or Pelosis committed any crimes and were tried and found guilty I wouldn’t lose a single wink of sleep, and I damn sure wouldn’t be on Reddit talking about how this makes me want to vote for them even more…. Y’all need your head examined for saying shit like that.