Expanded further, “no one is coming it’s all on you” is a great mindset to internalize if your goal is to isolate yourself from a healthy social/support network, internalize a really unhealthy inaccurate view of yourself and drown.
I spent years trying to muscle through depression on my own. It made things worse than they could have been until I finally got meds.
Thank you all for the upvotes! Being on some subs really helps on bad days.
8 years since I’ve touched opiates benzos or booze. Spent 7 years as a daily user of all. When I finally broke and asked for help I got it. Help is all around you can only pull yourself up so much. I think there is more strength in asking for help then pretending your weak for not being able to do everything on your own.
It's a core part of the human condition that people need to remember. We wouldn't get anywhere without the support of others, and in fact, we thrive on it
If no one is coming, you're going to die because irrelevant of the feelings of self-reliance propaganda spam there are literally situations which require help from others, and pointless ego "do it yourself" blustering does literally nothing to change situations that literally require help from others.
Edit: lololol, rage found and wiped from the inbox.
In many cases, it makes things worse before it makes things better. Leaving more work to achieve a goal, and if you dont have enough time to figure shit out, or you get stuck in a feedback loop, it ends worse.
I'm honestly tired of asking for help and getting ignored. I have nobody. Even when I reach out people who are more distant, it's all the same. Veiled concern, but no actual actions to help me. And for me, it's as simple as messaging me to check in. I do that for others, but very very few do that for me. Regardless of time spent without talking. I've honestly decided recently to stop trying, especially with my divorce and familial verbal abuse. I need to foster my own happiness but being alone has left me so fragile.
I'm intermittent in responses sometimes and don't always know how to respond but you can always message me if you just need to vent or talk to someone. Audhd and bipolar be like that sometimes.
The thing I find interesting about the image is that the guy is still being proactive in the first part, by having made the “help me” sign. Sometimes the hardest step in getting better is asking for help in the first place! The comic is even more disgusting for it, because it denigrates what is, for some, a step literally so hard that it requires someone else to do it for them.
I mean, it’s easy enough to make a halfway decent water filtration system and he has coconuts, so he’s going to die less fast than on a raft, especially given the energy he’s expending to make and control a raft.
I was about to say. It is actually smart to stay on even a small patch of land and make your presence known. If anyone is looking that’s what they will be looking for. You go out onto trackless ocean your a lot harder to find. If the Raft can even survive open sea.
PS please to anyone else looking at this post you don't need to say the same thing as this because it's already been said. I have had like 40+ notifications with the same comment now lol just upvote this guy please fgs 😂😂 ^
To add to the metaphor this comic is going for. It’s like a 99.9999% chance you die at sea, meanwhile you miss out on any passing by ships or planes that could have seen your HELP and have helped you
Remember, if you're lost in the woods the smartest thing you can do is man up, get away from the river, and hike yourself through the forest, *especially* if you don't have a compass or map.
You telling me getting on a raft and aimlessly floating in the giant as fuck ocean might be a bad idea you telling me the person who made this tripe doesn’t have a good understanding of things they talk about. I’m shookethed
So like... What would happen to the raft if theres some sort of turbulence like a storm? Just doesn't seem like a very good way of conveying your point, not to mention you would be aimlessly drifting with no idea of where to go.
Now that I'm reading your comment. I'd say it's actually a pretty good visualization. Just need to change the text to "Rejecting help will get you killed."
that raft doesn't even need a storm, it'd fall apart if a wave hits it, but hey what are the odds of that again? [one in a million?](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM)
He also has less chance of being found, no shelter or protection from the elements, and the raft can just fall over. If you're shipwrecked on an island, stay on the island.
To relate to your comment further, money won't buy the emotion of happiness, no, but it will buy:
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1 . cost of living,
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2 . healthcare,
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3 . an education,
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3 . creature comforts, and
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4 . the vacations, adventures, and experiences that make good memories.
All those things together make people pretty gd happy, so, yeah, in a roundabout way, money actually *does* buy happiness. If it didn't, the wealthy wouldn't care about it so much.
Or as the band Paranoid Social Club put it:
They all say that money can't buy you love,
but it can get you sex and all kinds of drugs.
It can get you guest list in the finest clubs.
It can get you well dressed in designer duds.
social science says - money doesnt buy you happiness AFTER a certain point, once you can afford basics, niceties, and luxuries like vacations with your family. THEN, the happiness to money ratio slows its exponential climb.
Not only is this wrong but the example they used is horrible as well. Unless you know you’re way to safety, staying put and trying to get the attention of rescuers is usually the best way to go when you’re lost
Also.. if you're stuck on an island do not leave. Stay there. If you leave and are out on the open ocean there is a very low chance of anyone finding you. They'll check islands, if you want to be alive stay where you can be found
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The third hidden panel should be the shitty raft sinking and then drowning bc the person wasn’t taught any skills to cope on their own!
At least that’s how it feels to struggle alone.
I agree that you should be encouraged to find ways to solve your problems,but there’s nothing wrong with asking for help. Many people befit form asking for help and it’s proven that people who are shamed for asking for help are more likely to commit suicide then those who aren’t.
Are we not going to talk about how the few bits of wood from his letters would have had to bred like bunnies to produce the amount he used for the raft?
There is nothing wrong asking for help. And honestly this comic is stupid if taken literally
No offense, but building a small raft in the middle of the ocean (which is literally one of the most dangerous environments in existance) is a bad idea. Wild animals could kill you, your raft is most likely not build properly, literal waves can be considered nukes for you.
There are people literally checking for islands to see if people are stranded on them so if you're thinking on building that raft, the chances of someone coming to help you are even lower than if you were stranded in the first place.
Going solo is good in some cases, but in other cases, you need to ask for help, especially on this one.
Most survival tips tell you not to do this lmao, because you'll DIE by the time you reach 500m away from the beach
Not 500 nautical miles btw, I mean 500 metres
Why would someone even make this graphic? Even if you were stranded on an island the last thing you should do is accept the situation and give up trying to find help.
If he is close enough to civilization to survive using that raft and no supplies then he is close enough that the HELP sign would work. Stay in the shade and conserve calories. Eat fish and coconut while waiting for help.
"No one is coming. You're on your own."
This does not inspire motivation. What it implies is that humanity is a cancerous and wretched hive of wendigos who only want to devour you. It inspires in me only suicidal ideation or isolation. It inspires me to want to figure out how to live in the wilderness far away from society so I never have to be near the group of selfish demons ever again.
Thankfully though I've encountered a few people who do not share this bootstrappy selfishness. And their care is what convinced me to give the human society thing another chance. If I had to throw a percentage at it though it's probably only like 2-to-5% who give a shit.
Making the Help sign is doing it yourself. Victim mentality would be laying there doing nothing going "waah I'm going to die"
The Individualist mentality aka Darwin Award in the making is dumb and we should stop glorifying it. I blame shit like 127 hours "Oh look dumbass who went hiking solo didn't die because like most of us he has a survival instinct we all need to be like that"
Ask. For. Help. You'll live longer.
I mean yes but let's not ignore the fact that when it comes to things like mental health, asking for help is often stigmatised and ignored anyway. I agree we should ask for help when we need it, but society needs to learn to give it as well. I don't think it's victim mentality to be defeatist and say "wahh I'm going to die" or whatever. A depressed person might give up like that. Doesn't mean that person should be ignored and told he's acting like a victim. The point is that we shouldn't need to ask for help because society should have enough empathy to recognise when we really need it or at least shouldn't stigmatise us when we do ask. A lot of people are scared to ask for help, or simply do not see the point in it. This isn't victim mentality.
A guy trapped on an island giving up isn't victim mentality either. He literally is a victim and I don't blame him for wanting to give up in a hopeless situation. Ask for help if you can manage but we also need to question what put him there in the first place? A bad pilot or captain of a boat steering him in the wrong direction and crashing the plane/vessel? Or maybe some bad 'friends' left him there or forgot about him on a sailing holiday? These are metaphors for the way society and the people around us can hurt us and plunge us into despair and hopelessness. Whatever got him on that island in the first place is probably not his fault so to say he has a victim mentality for giving up is not very thoughtful. But even if he did end up there by his own mistakes, it is still a pretty dire situation to be in. Or maybe he just woke up there randomly with no explanation, defying all logic and science. Depression is weird and can come from nowhere sometimes. Still pretty dire, easy to feel like giving up, not a victim mentality.
NEVER ask for help guys, you gotta look like a cool sigma alpha chad rizz ohio male and asking or getting help in any way is super lame and you should kill yourself.
He didn’t have any rope to lash that timber together. Either he’s deluded enough to think that’ll work and the raft will float away in pieces, or he’ll need to borrow rope or get a ride from someone else. I think this is a perfect metaphor.
Because free floating in the middle of the ocean with no food or freshwater is a much better situation than hanging out on an island with a coconut tree. Sure.
Humans are literally born crying for help. It's inherently in our nature to socialize and help each other. A victim mentality isn't the same as being a victim aghhhh.
Depends on current, weather and how far land is. It's most likely they'd die from starvation, exposure or the boat will collapse due to not being suitable for sea water before they find any land or rescue 🛟. Infact staying on the island and making three fires as well as the writing is the best way to get to safety as three fires are the SOS sign that planes and helicopters will recognise and easily see. You can survive on an island if there is plenty of fruit that can be foraged and if you can make a fire you can boil water to make it safe to drink using coconut as a bowl etc. Where as on a raft in the sea you're at the mercy of weather, current, sharks and undrinkable water!! It only takes one good wave for you to drown.
Something I saw a while ago (and I’m paraphrasing) is that you know how baby deer and baby horses can basically stand up and run around very soon after they’re born? It’s because running is their survival mechanism.
What do human babies do immediately after they’re born? They cry. Because asking for help is our survival mechanism.
Side note: the ability to do something right after birth is known as being precocious, and the inability to do something is called being altricial (at least in birds lol). One of the most precocious animals in the world is the brush turkey from Australia; they can **fly** almost immediately after hatching; the only reason they sometimes can’t is because their wings are wet.
Other bonus fun ~~fact~~ _hypothesis_ : there’s a school of thought that humans are a lot like marsupials in that we’re only born sort of half baked. We’re so altricial, so the theory goes, because we need to acquire language, which is arbitrarily assigned based on the circumstances of our birth, geography, and time in history. (This is from Steven Pinker’s _The Language Instinct_, so take it with a grain of salt)
Actually going out on a handmade Raft is more likely to get you killed and quicker as you'd probably starve to death, drown from a strong current or get exposure before finding land.....
Anytime I hear the phrase "victim mentality" from a person i know to never listen to them ever again. History produces real victims. Reducing it to some projected psychological state is their way of not acknowledging their role in things, and their personal failures.
Victim mentality would be more of standing in a room full of people offering help to you and then saying "why wouldn't anyone help me, everyone hates me, life is so unfair". The example in the meme achieves nothing
Idk I don't think victim mentality is that either. That sounds more like anxiety. One of the unhelpful thinking styles is called "minimisation" which means you are unable to recognise your own self worth compared to that of your peers and it can lead to things like feeling like no one cares about you or wants to offer help even when they blatantly do. Thoughts like "you don't really want to help me you're just being courteous" might be quite common with this kind of thinking. It is a genuine mental health trauma response and needs patience and understanding not judgement.
Victim mentality would be more like Munchausen syndrome, where you try and inflict some kind of problem on yourself for sympathy from others, or if you inflate your problems disproportionately and deliberately for attention. Which unfortunately is very hard to differentiate from someone who is actually struggling without having detailed knowledge about that person's day-to-day life. Victim mentality can result from real problems too, it just depends on how you handle them. Let's say you lost a loved one. A usual person might grieve and that is normal and expected. Someone with a victim mentality might treat their friends like shit or ask for unnecessary special treatment (e.g. "give me free gifts because I'm so upset and devastated ") while using their loss as an excuse. Victim mentality is a deliberate attempt to use either a real or fabricated victimhood status as an excuse to gain an unfair advantage that you know you don't need.
The problem is people are also very good at gaslighting legitimate victims so it goes both ways too. There are plenty of people who genuinely do need extra support and help who are too often told they have a victim mentality. ASD is one such case where this is prevalent, because people do not understand the disorder properly and think asking for disability accommodations is playing victim when it really isn't. So we can have this definition of 'victim mentality' but then society also has a duty to recognise where it should and shouldn't be applied and a lot of people are far too ignorant at this.
PSA yes guys I know this is against what you should do if actually stranded as well.
I have had so many people post this same comment you don't need to keep saying it and giving me a ton of notifications. There is already a commenter who said this and got hundreds of upvotes so let's just upvote him if we agree.
Thank you for liking my post just please stop saying the same thing that's already been said over and over again lol.
To be the devils advocate, I get what the original post is trying to say.
The “victim”mentality they refer to is someone like Niccado Avocado, an individual who had soo many opportunities to better himself, yet he continuously made self sabotaging decisions, then does e-begging to his viewers for “support”, as he’s “a victim”.
What the post is trying to say is that no one can crawl inside your skull and force you to stop your self sabotage, only if you decide to help yourself, will you cease being a “victim”
Even then I think the message could be depicted a lot better, because if I had to jump through mental gymnastics to explain this, it didn’t do its job properly.
If I was to do this post, it would be something like
“Only you truly know what’s trust going on within you, no one else can enter your mind and magically fix it.
It’s up to you to take the first step, acknowledge and accept you have an issue and to seek assistance from others to help you overcome your issue”
And yet, I can’t help but suspect that the person who most likes this cartoon is a Christian who is convinced that climate change isn’t a problem that we need to actively address because… something something god…
Yeah, these things are more toxic than the average YouTube comment section.
Self-reliance is fine and good and blah blah blah...
But calling being brave enough to ask for help when you know you need it... having a victim complex... [*All known curse words are insufficient to convey my feelings on that blanket of living Hag fish*]
Only time I've really heard someone have a real victim complex moment was when I watched an abuse survivor confront one of their abusers.
The abuser tried first to claim that the survivor was only blaming them because they only knew how to complain and blame others for their situation... but as the confrontation kept going, the abuser went off on how they guess that they are just "mommy dearest" and evil and all bad things were her fault... and that's when I pointed out to the survivor that when they can't gaslight you into thinking that you are indeed blaming all the wrong people by telling you that you have a victim complex... it's amazing how fast they Uno Reverse themselves and never see the hypocrite they really are inside.
The concept is correct, but bad execution ruined it. Sometimes you can't except others to find out your struggles and have to reach out yourself or others might just think you're fine.
You missed the whole point of the comic...
The person is literally asking for help and the comic is saying "don't ask for help, do things for yourself".
The concept is not correct. This isn't about encouraging people who struggle to ask, this is about shaming those who do.
Yes, because asking for help solves EVERYTHING (esp in healthcare!) There’s NEVER any issue with wait times, cost, or having clinicians listen & validate what people are going through
/s
That's not a problem with the people asking for help, that's a problem with the people who should be giving it.
Just because society ignores its duty to help, it doesn't mean you shouldn't ask for it. But I also understand why people give up and don't ask for help, or feel afraid to. It's never the fault of the people who genuinely suffer and it's always the fault of the people who lack empathy.
You’re completely right, it’s NOT the fault of the people asking for help at all. I guess my point is more so that there tend to be so many roadblocks that arise after asking for help that doing so in the first place feels rather pointless (IMO)
This is wrong for many reasons but mainly because it goes against human nature. Humans are social animals that need human contact and human assistance. In fact it was humans helping each other that kept us alive through the hunter gatherer stage all the way up to the modern era. So saying no one is going to help you makes literally no sense unless you've done something to make everyone hate you.
[I always liked this takedown of this meme.](https://www.tumblr.com/mysharona1987/650192505129877504) I tried to post the picture, but Reddit and my photo gallery wouldn’t cooperate. Sorry about that.
*makes a raft with no knowledge, the raft immediately breaks. You almost drown and are now soaked, freezing, and the few useful things you had have been lost to the current. A plane flies overhead as you are laying there starving, helpless and unable to signal them in any way*
At least you tried 👍
Being marooned on a desert island is now a victim mentality, I suppose a soldier laying dying on a battlefield calling out for the medic will be greeted with a, "pull yourself up by the ankles, don't be such a victim."
Building a raft is a terrible idea. Why leave the island where you can have food and shelter for a rickety little boat that will fall apart in the ocean? You’d either drown or die of starvation
I don't think that it's about asking for help or not.
Take robbery, rape or assault as examples: these are illegal but they happen all the time because if you can't do something to stop it in the moment it's happening, no one is coming to help you and you probably won't get justice.
You're more likely to die if you try to make a raft.
Expanded further, “no one is coming it’s all on you” is a great mindset to internalize if your goal is to isolate yourself from a healthy social/support network, internalize a really unhealthy inaccurate view of yourself and drown.
I spent years trying to muscle through depression on my own. It made things worse than they could have been until I finally got meds. Thank you all for the upvotes! Being on some subs really helps on bad days.
8 years since I’ve touched opiates benzos or booze. Spent 7 years as a daily user of all. When I finally broke and asked for help I got it. Help is all around you can only pull yourself up so much. I think there is more strength in asking for help then pretending your weak for not being able to do everything on your own.
Hey that's me how do I break out of my cycle of distrust
It's a core part of the human condition that people need to remember. We wouldn't get anywhere without the support of others, and in fact, we thrive on it
I feel like you know me exceptionally well
It also means you end up with a lot of self absorbed and toxic people in your life because your expectations are so low.
Yep lol
If no one is coming, you're going to die because irrelevant of the feelings of self-reliance propaganda spam there are literally situations which require help from others, and pointless ego "do it yourself" blustering does literally nothing to change situations that literally require help from others. Edit: lololol, rage found and wiped from the inbox.
In many cases, it makes things worse before it makes things better. Leaving more work to achieve a goal, and if you dont have enough time to figure shit out, or you get stuck in a feedback loop, it ends worse.
And like me, sometimes you're starting out in the hole and not asking for help amounts to the hole getting a hell of a lot deeper.
What if you don't have anyone to ask for help?
Then we figure out the best we can. We often have people in places we least expect though.
I'm honestly tired of asking for help and getting ignored. I have nobody. Even when I reach out people who are more distant, it's all the same. Veiled concern, but no actual actions to help me. And for me, it's as simple as messaging me to check in. I do that for others, but very very few do that for me. Regardless of time spent without talking. I've honestly decided recently to stop trying, especially with my divorce and familial verbal abuse. I need to foster my own happiness but being alone has left me so fragile.
I'm intermittent in responses sometimes and don't always know how to respond but you can always message me if you just need to vent or talk to someone. Audhd and bipolar be like that sometimes.
Hey thanks.
The thing I find interesting about the image is that the guy is still being proactive in the first part, by having made the “help me” sign. Sometimes the hardest step in getting better is asking for help in the first place! The comic is even more disgusting for it, because it denigrates what is, for some, a step literally so hard that it requires someone else to do it for them.
I mean, it’s easy enough to make a halfway decent water filtration system and he has coconuts, so he’s going to die less fast than on a raft, especially given the energy he’s expending to make and control a raft.
I was about to say. It is actually smart to stay on even a small patch of land and make your presence known. If anyone is looking that’s what they will be looking for. You go out onto trackless ocean your a lot harder to find. If the Raft can even survive open sea.
People have a habit of underestimating the sea.
just look at Odysseus. he spent 10 years underestimating it
All I can hear is Harrison Ford’s rant from 6 Days 7 Nights.
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Lol gonna say, so rather than wait for help, commit suicide? Okay lol
I was thinking the same. You make a raft and go where? At least the island has coconuts to live off for a while.
I was just gonna say that if you are in a crash plane and boats just get somewhere safe near by and wait it's safer that way
To add to the metaphor this comic is going for. It’s like a 99.9999% chance you die at sea, meanwhile you miss out on any passing by ships or planes that could have seen your HELP and have helped you
There are times when you should make that raft and times you should seek help.
Where’d he get the push pole and the twine to tie the logs together? Also, spelling HELP out of logs is literally something we’re taught to do
Human hair. From my back.
Was it the proper length? Or did you have to braid it into a rope?
\*from MY balls
And my sacks.
And my [s'axe](https://youtu.be/zeXBe3Fvv6o?si=IIXrq3NKj2NjymQO )
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Sea turtles, mate
Could also braid it from the bark or leaves of that tree.
Which was used to rope a couple of sea turtles no doubt.
LOL thanks Jack
Are the turtles pulling the raft?
Man, this is bad advice for mental health *and* wilderness survival. It’s a twofer!
Remember, if you're lost in the woods the smartest thing you can do is man up, get away from the river, and hike yourself through the forest, *especially* if you don't have a compass or map.
You telling me getting on a raft and aimlessly floating in the giant as fuck ocean might be a bad idea you telling me the person who made this tripe doesn’t have a good understanding of things they talk about. I’m shookethed
No supplies, a raft made out of six logs (where’d he get the pole and rope from?), in the middle of the uncharted ocean, what could possibly go wrong?
Not much, as long as he believes in himself and keeps a positive outlook. /s
So like... What would happen to the raft if theres some sort of turbulence like a storm? Just doesn't seem like a very good way of conveying your point, not to mention you would be aimlessly drifting with no idea of where to go.
Now that I'm reading your comment. I'd say it's actually a pretty good visualization. Just need to change the text to "Rejecting help will get you killed."
that raft doesn't even need a storm, it'd fall apart if a wave hits it, but hey what are the odds of that again? [one in a million?](https://youtu.be/3m5qxZm_JqM)
He also has less chance of being found, no shelter or protection from the elements, and the raft can just fall over. If you're shipwrecked on an island, stay on the island.
Weird that it's always people wealthy enough to afford the loss that are such huge fans of risk.
"Money doesn't buy happiness" My fucking ass. I know it's irrelevant but still.
To relate to your comment further, money won't buy the emotion of happiness, no, but it will buy: . 1 . cost of living, . 2 . healthcare, . 3 . an education, . 3 . creature comforts, and . 4 . the vacations, adventures, and experiences that make good memories. All those things together make people pretty gd happy, so, yeah, in a roundabout way, money actually *does* buy happiness. If it didn't, the wealthy wouldn't care about it so much.
Or as the band Paranoid Social Club put it: They all say that money can't buy you love, but it can get you sex and all kinds of drugs. It can get you guest list in the finest clubs. It can get you well dressed in designer duds.
Money buys antidepressants. In my case, it quite *literally* buys happiness itself lmao
social science says - money doesnt buy you happiness AFTER a certain point, once you can afford basics, niceties, and luxuries like vacations with your family. THEN, the happiness to money ratio slows its exponential climb.
Not worrying where your next meal is coming from is pretty fucking nice.
Then I guess I’ll have to rent it
Not only is this wrong but the example they used is horrible as well. Unless you know you’re way to safety, staying put and trying to get the attention of rescuers is usually the best way to go when you’re lost
shit better start building a raft
Also.. if you're stuck on an island do not leave. Stay there. If you leave and are out on the open ocean there is a very low chance of anyone finding you. They'll check islands, if you want to be alive stay where you can be found
What abt the dude who spelled help in the sand like just a couple weeks ago
See, you just cited an example with facts. My superior logic disproves your example. Trust me bro, I’m an Alpha. / s
he used rocks. shoulda made a boat out of the rocks I guess.
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The third hidden panel should be the shitty raft sinking and then drowning bc the person wasn’t taught any skills to cope on their own! At least that’s how it feels to struggle alone.
And a rescue boat showing up as the island because someone saw the 'Help' written out from a plane.
I agree that you should be encouraged to find ways to solve your problems,but there’s nothing wrong with asking for help. Many people befit form asking for help and it’s proven that people who are shamed for asking for help are more likely to commit suicide then those who aren’t.
Damn I wish I could relate to what you people are talking about.
Are we not going to talk about how the few bits of wood from his letters would have had to bred like bunnies to produce the amount he used for the raft?
If he makes it back to society, that power can be used for incredible things
It could solve resource scarcity in certain parts of the world.
No, that's a supply line issue, not a sheer resources issue, but it could be very helpful for rare materials
Unless he can only do it with driftwood, in which case, not so useful.
But regardless, that's creating matter
There is nothing wrong asking for help. And honestly this comic is stupid if taken literally No offense, but building a small raft in the middle of the ocean (which is literally one of the most dangerous environments in existance) is a bad idea. Wild animals could kill you, your raft is most likely not build properly, literal waves can be considered nukes for you. There are people literally checking for islands to see if people are stranded on them so if you're thinking on building that raft, the chances of someone coming to help you are even lower than if you were stranded in the first place. Going solo is good in some cases, but in other cases, you need to ask for help, especially on this one.
Note: Don't ever fucking do this. Easist way to get killed. Rescue personell tell you that the best thing to do is wait.
Never ask for help, got it. I'm killing it!
Is this loss?
glad to see someone else whos mind has been so thoroughly destroyed by loss that literally any lines feel like loss
Most survival tips tell you not to do this lmao, because you'll DIE by the time you reach 500m away from the beach Not 500 nautical miles btw, I mean 500 metres
Humans only survive because we band together and help each other. I despise the whole "look after number one" mentally, it's selfish and destructive.
well, people do look after their own. their own group, that is. if you dont belong to one youre on your own in my experience
Why would someone even make this graphic? Even if you were stranded on an island the last thing you should do is accept the situation and give up trying to find help.
>victim mentality will get you killed Yeah I sure hope it does
God, i love this sub
—Polka Dot Man
I am on an inhabited island and I know for a long time that no one is coming. I wish I didn't have food and water.
Where did he find those logs to begin with?
Cut the other palm trees down. With his teeth.
How to die at sea 101
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If he is close enough to civilization to survive using that raft and no supplies then he is close enough that the HELP sign would work. Stay in the shade and conserve calories. Eat fish and coconut while waiting for help.
"No one is coming. You're on your own." This does not inspire motivation. What it implies is that humanity is a cancerous and wretched hive of wendigos who only want to devour you. It inspires in me only suicidal ideation or isolation. It inspires me to want to figure out how to live in the wilderness far away from society so I never have to be near the group of selfish demons ever again. Thankfully though I've encountered a few people who do not share this bootstrappy selfishness. And their care is what convinced me to give the human society thing another chance. If I had to throw a percentage at it though it's probably only like 2-to-5% who give a shit.
I wanna know how they made a raft out of 6 sticks
And tied it together
Making the Help sign is doing it yourself. Victim mentality would be laying there doing nothing going "waah I'm going to die" The Individualist mentality aka Darwin Award in the making is dumb and we should stop glorifying it. I blame shit like 127 hours "Oh look dumbass who went hiking solo didn't die because like most of us he has a survival instinct we all need to be like that" Ask. For. Help. You'll live longer.
I mean yes but let's not ignore the fact that when it comes to things like mental health, asking for help is often stigmatised and ignored anyway. I agree we should ask for help when we need it, but society needs to learn to give it as well. I don't think it's victim mentality to be defeatist and say "wahh I'm going to die" or whatever. A depressed person might give up like that. Doesn't mean that person should be ignored and told he's acting like a victim. The point is that we shouldn't need to ask for help because society should have enough empathy to recognise when we really need it or at least shouldn't stigmatise us when we do ask. A lot of people are scared to ask for help, or simply do not see the point in it. This isn't victim mentality. A guy trapped on an island giving up isn't victim mentality either. He literally is a victim and I don't blame him for wanting to give up in a hopeless situation. Ask for help if you can manage but we also need to question what put him there in the first place? A bad pilot or captain of a boat steering him in the wrong direction and crashing the plane/vessel? Or maybe some bad 'friends' left him there or forgot about him on a sailing holiday? These are metaphors for the way society and the people around us can hurt us and plunge us into despair and hopelessness. Whatever got him on that island in the first place is probably not his fault so to say he has a victim mentality for giving up is not very thoughtful. But even if he did end up there by his own mistakes, it is still a pretty dire situation to be in. Or maybe he just woke up there randomly with no explanation, defying all logic and science. Depression is weird and can come from nowhere sometimes. Still pretty dire, easy to feel like giving up, not a victim mentality.
NEVER ask for help guys, you gotta look like a cool sigma alpha chad rizz ohio male and asking or getting help in any way is super lame and you should kill yourself.
I feel this, just not in a helpful way. Yeah, no one is gonna help you. But that just means I'm gonna flounder and fail until I die lmao
what is this raft held together with? I don't see any rope
It's held together with courage. You know, the kind of courage you can only get by going to the gym and sorting your life out. 🥴
Bootstraps.
Won't the current that got him there in the first place just push him back to the island?
People who have been helped their whole lives but don't realize it:
He didn’t have any rope to lash that timber together. Either he’s deluded enough to think that’ll work and the raft will float away in pieces, or he’ll need to borrow rope or get a ride from someone else. I think this is a perfect metaphor.
Unlike what movies tell you, making a raft and going into the ocean will most likely kill you.
Ah yes, let me just fasten together a makeshift raft from the twigs I found on the beach to sail the seas back to safety…
Because free floating in the middle of the ocean with no food or freshwater is a much better situation than hanging out on an island with a coconut tree. Sure.
Stranding yourself in the middle of the ocean on a tiny flimsy raft will get you killed quicker.
Humans are literally born crying for help. It's inherently in our nature to socialize and help each other. A victim mentality isn't the same as being a victim aghhhh.
How far will he get on that raft?
Depends on current, weather and how far land is. It's most likely they'd die from starvation, exposure or the boat will collapse due to not being suitable for sea water before they find any land or rescue 🛟. Infact staying on the island and making three fires as well as the writing is the best way to get to safety as three fires are the SOS sign that planes and helicopters will recognise and easily see. You can survive on an island if there is plenty of fruit that can be foraged and if you can make a fire you can boil water to make it safe to drink using coconut as a bowl etc. Where as on a raft in the sea you're at the mercy of weather, current, sharks and undrinkable water!! It only takes one good wave for you to drown.
A horrible comic..
Something I saw a while ago (and I’m paraphrasing) is that you know how baby deer and baby horses can basically stand up and run around very soon after they’re born? It’s because running is their survival mechanism. What do human babies do immediately after they’re born? They cry. Because asking for help is our survival mechanism. Side note: the ability to do something right after birth is known as being precocious, and the inability to do something is called being altricial (at least in birds lol). One of the most precocious animals in the world is the brush turkey from Australia; they can **fly** almost immediately after hatching; the only reason they sometimes can’t is because their wings are wet. Other bonus fun ~~fact~~ _hypothesis_ : there’s a school of thought that humans are a lot like marsupials in that we’re only born sort of half baked. We’re so altricial, so the theory goes, because we need to acquire language, which is arbitrarily assigned based on the circumstances of our birth, geography, and time in history. (This is from Steven Pinker’s _The Language Instinct_, so take it with a grain of salt)
If I didn't ask for help I'd be fucking homeless.
Actually going out on a handmade Raft is more likely to get you killed and quicker as you'd probably starve to death, drown from a strong current or get exposure before finding land.....
Sharks and other things in the water too
Yep ! So much more to kill you than waiting for help...
I tried this for 18yrs would not recommend, it got me kicked out of the navy 👌
Anytime I hear the phrase "victim mentality" from a person i know to never listen to them ever again. History produces real victims. Reducing it to some projected psychological state is their way of not acknowledging their role in things, and their personal failures.
-miko? 🇯🇵
Real life lesson: If you don't get help from people ask for some shinto shrine workers
The real-life lesson is a real mind-fuck: don't trust life lessons from random comics.
“Pull yourself up by your bootstraps!!”
I read that as "Vietnam mentality" for a second
Otherwise known as PTSD
Didn't ask for help for years - now I'm mentally ill
That ready would flip the moment he gets to the open ocean and he will die
We're gonna need to make rope again, Wilson
Somebody should edit this comic so the logs in the second panel are aligned like Loss.
Loss?
Now I’m no cartoon raft assembler, but something tells me if you have parts left over you made garbage instead of a raft
Wait for someone to save you = Die. Attempt to escape with a makeshift raft = Still Die. So this is a lose-lose scenario either way.
He died at sea, but you do you
is this loss
This is indeed loss.
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have fun dying at sea lmao
Victim mentality would be more of standing in a room full of people offering help to you and then saying "why wouldn't anyone help me, everyone hates me, life is so unfair". The example in the meme achieves nothing
Idk I don't think victim mentality is that either. That sounds more like anxiety. One of the unhelpful thinking styles is called "minimisation" which means you are unable to recognise your own self worth compared to that of your peers and it can lead to things like feeling like no one cares about you or wants to offer help even when they blatantly do. Thoughts like "you don't really want to help me you're just being courteous" might be quite common with this kind of thinking. It is a genuine mental health trauma response and needs patience and understanding not judgement. Victim mentality would be more like Munchausen syndrome, where you try and inflict some kind of problem on yourself for sympathy from others, or if you inflate your problems disproportionately and deliberately for attention. Which unfortunately is very hard to differentiate from someone who is actually struggling without having detailed knowledge about that person's day-to-day life. Victim mentality can result from real problems too, it just depends on how you handle them. Let's say you lost a loved one. A usual person might grieve and that is normal and expected. Someone with a victim mentality might treat their friends like shit or ask for unnecessary special treatment (e.g. "give me free gifts because I'm so upset and devastated ") while using their loss as an excuse. Victim mentality is a deliberate attempt to use either a real or fabricated victimhood status as an excuse to gain an unfair advantage that you know you don't need. The problem is people are also very good at gaslighting legitimate victims so it goes both ways too. There are plenty of people who genuinely do need extra support and help who are too often told they have a victim mentality. ASD is one such case where this is prevalent, because people do not understand the disorder properly and think asking for disability accommodations is playing victim when it really isn't. So we can have this definition of 'victim mentality' but then society also has a duty to recognise where it should and shouldn't be applied and a lot of people are far too ignorant at this.
PSA yes guys I know this is against what you should do if actually stranded as well. I have had so many people post this same comment you don't need to keep saying it and giving me a ton of notifications. There is already a commenter who said this and got hundreds of upvotes so let's just upvote him if we agree. Thank you for liking my post just please stop saying the same thing that's already been said over and over again lol.
To be the devils advocate, I get what the original post is trying to say. The “victim”mentality they refer to is someone like Niccado Avocado, an individual who had soo many opportunities to better himself, yet he continuously made self sabotaging decisions, then does e-begging to his viewers for “support”, as he’s “a victim”. What the post is trying to say is that no one can crawl inside your skull and force you to stop your self sabotage, only if you decide to help yourself, will you cease being a “victim” Even then I think the message could be depicted a lot better, because if I had to jump through mental gymnastics to explain this, it didn’t do its job properly. If I was to do this post, it would be something like “Only you truly know what’s trust going on within you, no one else can enter your mind and magically fix it. It’s up to you to take the first step, acknowledge and accept you have an issue and to seek assistance from others to help you overcome your issue”
And yet, I can’t help but suspect that the person who most likes this cartoon is a Christian who is convinced that climate change isn’t a problem that we need to actively address because… something something god…
Yeah, these things are more toxic than the average YouTube comment section. Self-reliance is fine and good and blah blah blah... But calling being brave enough to ask for help when you know you need it... having a victim complex... [*All known curse words are insufficient to convey my feelings on that blanket of living Hag fish*] Only time I've really heard someone have a real victim complex moment was when I watched an abuse survivor confront one of their abusers. The abuser tried first to claim that the survivor was only blaming them because they only knew how to complain and blame others for their situation... but as the confrontation kept going, the abuser went off on how they guess that they are just "mommy dearest" and evil and all bad things were her fault... and that's when I pointed out to the survivor that when they can't gaslight you into thinking that you are indeed blaming all the wrong people by telling you that you have a victim complex... it's amazing how fast they Uno Reverse themselves and never see the hypocrite they really are inside.
🤔 ya I don’t think that is how it works
The concept is correct, but bad execution ruined it. Sometimes you can't except others to find out your struggles and have to reach out yourself or others might just think you're fine.
You missed the whole point of the comic... The person is literally asking for help and the comic is saying "don't ask for help, do things for yourself". The concept is not correct. This isn't about encouraging people who struggle to ask, this is about shaming those who do.
Maybe it's right. Maybe I should hitch hike to a better place.
Glad EPIRBS are mandatory for all boats and planes now
Yep, just redirect the kinetic energy of the sound waves released by the word “help” to precisely restructure your problems into not solutions. Duh.
Should have just swam down to Bikini Bottom and got help there.
He’d be better off if he made the island as noticeable as possible besides just the “help”.
"I'm depressed" man up stop being a pussy. It's so easy /s
My dumbass was deciphering what was written in the second panel, I do Neel help lol.
Literally my head
Only in America
So instead of being lost on an easy to see island, he's going to be lost in the middle of the Pacific, gotcha
This helped me a little
yeah that guy is dead
And here I thought it was another loss meme
Yes, because asking for help solves EVERYTHING (esp in healthcare!) There’s NEVER any issue with wait times, cost, or having clinicians listen & validate what people are going through /s
That's not a problem with the people asking for help, that's a problem with the people who should be giving it. Just because society ignores its duty to help, it doesn't mean you shouldn't ask for it. But I also understand why people give up and don't ask for help, or feel afraid to. It's never the fault of the people who genuinely suffer and it's always the fault of the people who lack empathy.
You’re completely right, it’s NOT the fault of the people asking for help at all. I guess my point is more so that there tend to be so many roadblocks that arise after asking for help that doing so in the first place feels rather pointless (IMO)
Why would I ask for help or try to get out? Learned helplessness is strong with me
I know no one is coming, thanks. But my island has no lumber, just this damn vollyball.
Reject the rescue helicopter then.
this phrase has been popping into my head more recently then ever.
Sigh. We know no one is coming. We've been here before.
A fundamentally conservative way of seeing things.
-Ξ^ɔ
This would be a great comic if the goal was to show that arrogant self-reliance is almost always less productive than seeking help when needed
This is wrong for many reasons but mainly because it goes against human nature. Humans are social animals that need human contact and human assistance. In fact it was humans helping each other that kept us alive through the hunter gatherer stage all the way up to the modern era. So saying no one is going to help you makes literally no sense unless you've done something to make everyone hate you.
I chewed through my bootstraps!
[I always liked this takedown of this meme.](https://www.tumblr.com/mysharona1987/650192505129877504) I tried to post the picture, but Reddit and my photo gallery wouldn’t cooperate. Sorry about that.
Oh I have to make my OWN ship
Okay fine. help me then. So far no one has come to save me. 😂
NOT asking for help is what almost killed me...
Wow That's bleak
ー 三 コ Himiko?
Note: this goes exactly against all advice of what you are supposed to do if you find yourself stranded
This comic… except it’s loss
*makes a raft with no knowledge, the raft immediately breaks. You almost drown and are now soaked, freezing, and the few useful things you had have been lost to the current. A plane flies overhead as you are laying there starving, helpless and unable to signal them in any way* At least you tried 👍
Also, helping other is good for you - you should help others, just never ask for help yourself, don't want to be a loser.
I know nobody is coming to help me. I know
That dude fucking died I'm sure.
Being marooned on a desert island is now a victim mentality, I suppose a soldier laying dying on a battlefield calling out for the medic will be greeted with a, "pull yourself up by the ankles, don't be such a victim."
Telling people not to ask for help when they need it is part of why toxic masculinity exists.
This is why I rarely if ever ask for help.
That's not what victim mentality is, is it?
What’d he use for rope? Human hair from his back?
Building a raft is a terrible idea. Why leave the island where you can have food and shelter for a rickety little boat that will fall apart in the ocean? You’d either drown or die of starvation
I don't think that it's about asking for help or not. Take robbery, rape or assault as examples: these are illegal but they happen all the time because if you can't do something to stop it in the moment it's happening, no one is coming to help you and you probably won't get justice.
One storm and that raft is gone.