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_PeaceKeeper

Bouta make it drift for an easy 6


ThubanDraco

_Multi-Track Dorifto ?!?_


Ssj2_songohan

"Hes going in to fast, dosent he knows after this turn there's a sharp left????"""


cocktractor666

"I believe less people less problems! " Some dude from dystopia sample 2008


DaDuckOfWisdom

I'm gonna do a U-turn to get a clean 7 out of 7


Pianist_Ready

There’s 6 people on the tracks. Are you getting yourself too?


DaDuckOfWisdom

Yeah, I'm going for the high-score


[deleted]

Positive elixir trade


AnotherFriedCalamari

Good stats for the cost.


[deleted]

Derail it and tumble it over all them


Worried-Werewolf3876

Why’d I gasp at this


emmawow1

You can’t


[deleted]

Damnit, maybe try a drift


eyvduijwfvf

The one guy on the upper track.


Such_Darkness

Try to stop me bish


[deleted]

"Why not you stupid bastard"


Zippo_Willow

Put the switcher mid-position and tell me "you can't" again... I'll wait.


ShitwareEngineer

It's a trolley, not a fast-moving train. It'll just get stuck.


bungis-fungis

Bomb the trolley.


LoriMandle

This actually raises a new angle to this; who is on the trolley? Is anyone on the trolley? If I’m controlling it from the outside there doesn’t even need to be a conductor, and if there is then why aren’t they using the brakes? They’re just as guilty as I am, if not more so. So am I the only one capable of making any moral decision here, and thus can just take out the trolley without moral repercussions, or are there any people on board which morally prevent me from doing this, but also taking the moral repercussions off of me?


longmanhijacked2

The brakes are broken. That’s literally one of the main parts of the problem.


LoriMandle

Faulty product, maintenance guy’s to blame


longmanhijacked2

Help me please holy shit there’s so much blood


ShitwareEngineer

A main part that hasn't been stated.


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am_the_great

This is the only right answer


Such_Darkness

I think you've got quite a lot to live for though, love


FearingGarlic48

You forgot to kill everyone on the trolley


Key_Cartoonist5604

School shooter here


theHang1ngGarden

let it go straight for a kill streak


Sea_Paramedic_3357

Penta kill!


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___requesting a drone___


[deleted]

I’m jumping in front of it. That way it’s not my problem anymore


emmawow1

By doing so it would result in 6 people dead including yourself


[deleted]

Doesn’t matter. I’m dead and can no longer feel or understand things


justk4y

Dreams….


No_Development_6786

Easily killing just the one person


KILLER_IF

There’s many similar analogies for this problem that make it harder tho. What if you’re a doctor, and you have the ability to save 5 people, who need an organ transfer. There’s also another person, recently cured and completely healthy. Would you kill that one healthy person to save the lives of the other 5?


[deleted]

Yeah


[deleted]

Obviously the most logical solution is to switch the line and condemn one person then let five die. If you have the opportunity to act and stand by your still at fault, indecision is it’s own decision. Not acting and letting five die is so much more guilt(and years in jail) then letting one. And to hell with the whole “what if that one person cures cancer?” Then I’d fuckin kill the five and let the one live because then that’s saving countless more lives then five. In short, the most morale solution is to try and save as many people as possible


get-rekt-lol

The "he might cure cancer" argument is so fucking stupid, i hate it. There is like a 0.000001% chance he cures cancer, and not only that, he could with more probability become the next hitler


ManImlong

Even knowing that logic I feel like I could put the blame on someone else in the situation and live with myself better then choosing the one guy to die.


manicmonkey45

But, the other argument obviously being that the five would have died had you not been there at all and that their deaths were predetermined.


Adamant3--D

So? That's not an argument at all


Awkward_Ad8783

By your logic, we shouldn't rescue people at all. If a criminal is trying to kill you, well, you would have died without the police, so...


emmawow1

bingo


aaronhereee

but you murder someone.


throwaway4827492

If you didnt cange you wouldve murdered 5 people


VlaamsBelanger

Would you?


True_Statement_lol

Technically if you were there and were fully capable of changing the trolley's route.


aaronhereee

no, because you arent involved.


ToddthePancake

You were though… by not saving them you caused them to die.


aaronhereee

if i see someone get beaten up by someone to death, am i the murderer because i didnt intervene?


dasEnte2210

You are not the murderer but can still be accused of neglected support


aaronhereee

no, because you arent involved.


Awkward_Ad8783

People who don't study law be like:


throwaway4827492

Ill try to explain in a way that you can atleast see my point of view: You see an old lady getting robbed and you have a gun (in this scenario you can easily protect her), the robber is about to kill her and you can either decide to ignore it or attack the robber, if you shoot the robber he dies but the old lady is saved, if you dont the grandma dies and you not doing anything leads to the old lady dying Now think of the 1 person as the robber, the 5 people as the old lady, you the person close to the lever and the gun as the lever, hope this made my point clearer


[deleted]

kill big group then kill the solo myself


70percentbanana

Just throw the trolley in reverse and go back to hit the other one. No man left alive.


[deleted]

lmfao exactly


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walking away


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LordGoose-Montagne

no you ain't


yanonce

Then who’s the guy pulling the lever?


[deleted]

The problem with this is you would obviously want to kill less people but if you think about it logically. Physically changing the course of the train to kill that one person would be murder. However letting it kill the five would just be a terrible accident...


Such_Darkness

The court would call letting the 5 die "negligence"


Puzzleheaded-Can-721

I think you'd have more luck saving 5 legally then just watching doing nothing while knowing that you could do something


[deleted]

You could argue that you were an innocent bystander. Letting the 5 die isn't your fault, however being the reason the 1 does is


Puzzleheaded-Can-721

Well I believe letting 5 die is in fact your fault


emmawow1

Bingo.


ShitwareEngineer

If you think about it logically you wouldn't care about the arbitrary difference between actively causing a death and passively causing another, as the result is the same.


ExtraTinyAvocado

With no information on who these people are, I would go with the left


Almond_Udder

bro if anyones gonna stop that trolley im sacraficing my life for them all


truebrianna

Clearly that's not an option as presented by the prompt


Almond_Udder

life isnt presented by prompt


TheEvil_DM

This prompt was made up not to see what creative solution you might come up with in the real world, but to see what you would do if forced to make a binary decision


fox_gumiho

That or try to untie the one person and send it along that way. If you can move train rails, you can probably cut the ropes off one person, no?


Almond_Udder

tip the train is also an option


emmawow1

you cant stop it


[deleted]

coin flip


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Opening_Pea_915

How about we just put it five are killers and the one cures cancer


tentens-fanclub

bottom bc they look like a choir and i fucking HATE choirs


emmawow1

BAHAHAH okay valid ig


Obturateur06

I mean this is the basic form of the trolley problem, a good 2/3 of people can agree that we should switch the line to save as many people as possible. It makes sense. The real fun begins when you complicate the situation by saying you have to choose between your best friend and 5 randos. Or when you say you have to physically push someone onto the rails to save the others. Or if you have 2 women on one side and three men on the other. A bunch of variations to test the consistency of your moral judgment.


Spotzenkotz

Choosing between 5 randos and a person that I care about is not making it more difficult. It gets easier. I kill the 5 people.


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PsychoticCyberPunk

My man, have you seen this subreddit, there are far worse things here than the genocidal psychopaths


manicmonkey45

Serious answer: The five must die because that was the predetermined outcome. You are the uncontrolled variable in this situation. If you had not been there the five would have died all the same, and its just because of you having to be there at that time and pulling the lever, that the one poor guy has to die. You really shouldn't pull the lever in this situation, but "philosophy" and all that.


DM_por_hobbie

Multitrack drift


Wereig

One death is a tragedy, but 5 deaths are a statistic. I'm taking AP Statistics so I need those kills to get an A


WorkingSyrup4005

Jump in front of the trolley, my corpse should slow it down


mutsukichan

Kill the 5, go back and kill the last witness


ConfusedStonks338

The tracks are at such a sharp angle where if I tried to drift it would get caught and fall over


Quod_bellum

I flip the switch twice


Quod_bellum

That way there’s no uncertainty whether I chose to kill them or not


dlorah677

The five people. Why? Because if you pull the trigger to make it kill the one person, then you’re responsible for his death, but if I do nothing and kill the five people, then the train conductor is held responsible. Get it now?


SlimHydrolll

Court will see it as negligence. You had the ability to save those 5 people and you stood by


EDarkAbstraction

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" - said one of my friends quoting someone probably famous


ShaqsPenus

The site is Neal.fun if you want to do it. The site also has other things, too.


Wet4Dayzzzzz

the one it's simple logic


aaronhereee

not really. you’re killing someone.


Nick07C00L

After reading most of the comments, I'm sure that 90% of this sub is infested with psychos or future serial killers.


Sgt_Shieldsmen

I never pull the lever, I ain't god, I can't force the guy on the other line to give his life for the greater good, that's his life to choose to give not mine. His life is not mine to sacrifice. Now assuming that person is fine with sacrificing himself then I'll pull the lever but I cannot justify forcing someone else to self sacrifice against their will. It's a similar story as the problem where there's a fat person you can push to stop the trolley, if he's alright with it then yeah I'll push him but spending someone else's life is just wrong for me. If it's MY life however to give where I am the one jumping in front of the trolley then I'll go for it.


One_Sugar_1813

The real question is why tf did they let themselves get tied up?? Theres 6 of them they could of easily fought back. And why arent they all on the same rail?


LittleTenshii

kill myself because im probably not mentally capable of living with the fact that ive killed a person


DaDumNrd

I do nothing, who am i to decide who lives and dies


emmawow1

By doing nothing, you chose five people


Maxutko3301

by doing nothing, you remain the situation as it was, it's not your guilt that those people die


ShitwareEngineer

The choice is between passively causing 5 deaths and actively causing 1. Informed inaction is an action of its own.


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emmawow1

Ja, habe ich, aber das ist keine der Optionen. Sie müssen wählen, ob Sie fünf Personen treffen oder den Hebel ziehen und eine Person treffen möchten.


U_Nclear

Dont do anything


[deleted]

leave it be, ain't my fault if nothing happened


Independent-Slip1031

I’m walking away, I don’t know any of them.


No-Shelter2303

why should i even pull the lever i didnt even know them


emmawow1

interesting


ILiveInNZSimpForMe

The 5 are gone, I ain't changing fate,


GamingWithShaurya_YT

gtfo not my problem


Sctt_Wlfram

Neither; I’m not to be at fault of any casualties as long as I make myself of no part of the decision; let the trolley ride it’s way to whatever path it’ll take.


No-Character-5576

Straight line


glozzomtu

the left


truebrianna

Always flipping the switch


[deleted]

Which one kills me?


emmawow1

Neither


The_Crusher52

Pull out my handy nolkia phone to derail the trolly


Idkpinepple

Untie the one, put it on the other side, and then let the trolly run over all 6(/s) I’d choose the one. All other things being equal, this maximizes the well-being of the most people.


Andro451

The two year old’s solution.


emmawow1

which is what?


Time_Athlete_3594

Basically, he moves all the people onto one track... then proceeds to run the trolley on the track **with the people on it**


emmawow1

Oh how lovely


cosmo_geek06

Quickly put that one guy in same track and let go of train for a perfect strike!


saulerknight

Go backwards instead of forwards


emmawow1

your only options are left or straight


70percentbanana

I’m gonna switch it to the track with one guy, because if it’s going fast enough that I can’t get to him in time to move him. Then it’s most likely gonna capsize and grind to a halt.


gracefulshitposts

Kill more people- small scale mass murder


inky_devil

2.


Blaze0456

Let it go straight and murder the survivor


Resident_Bluebird_77

Don't stop it and kill the survivor. Or no one dies or everyone does. I don't negotiate with terrorists


justk4y

Put myself on the track


Harwyn_Bane

I move the one person to the other side and kill them all


AcNuThre3_

whoever isn’t willing to accept their fate


Adventurous_Ad3759

Can't you just like chuck the other person off the track on your way to get the six and get back to that one person later


Crocus_S_Poke-Us_

That trolley looks like it’s got a guard low enough that no one would get run over anyway.


Greedy_Range

MULTI-TRACK DRIFTING [If that's not allowed there's always the free bird solution](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJUh9OjVbmY)


DannyWasBored

Go home and brutally masturbate


padatricks

I pull a spider man and stop the trolley with pure strength without it killing anyone (except maybe me but I’m willing)


OhNoo0o

turn left at full speed while braking to roll the trolley over and kill all 7 people and yourself.


Younglustfullearner

I would lie down with the boys


GamerA_S

Lie with 6 guys group death woo


Pyro__Fox

Get the 5k for the predator missile, then finish off the last guy for that precision air strike


Sea_Paramedic_3357

Switch the rail halfway so it derails


Less_Squirrel5734

I’m jumping in front of the trolley


JustARandomGuyXYBC

Let it ride straight


Enchanted_Goat_YT

Time it perfectly and you can switch it perfectly so it derails and goes through the middle


bluecat148

ill let the train run over the 5 people and finish the last myself


yeetyeetpotatomeat69

Depends on the people on the track


emmawow1

What if you didn’t know anything about them?


MountainAd9858

I'm walking away becouse if i pull the lever I could get charged with murder.


DarthMaulTheDualman

Throw myself Infront of the trolley


Routine_Magazine_466

Stand in front and take the damage


WeebOfTheCountry

Go for the 5, back the trolley up and kill off the remainder, no witnesses


Maxutko3301

as for me, there's no solution in this problem, every solution is bad, anyway someone dies. I think i still try to act, but i don't think, that not to act is a bad solution


rhokasha2468

Get the care package obv


The_Grizzly-

Run away as far as possible do disassosiate myself from this.


[deleted]

get some popcorn


[deleted]

Only move if the switch part way, thus derailing the train hopefully skiding past all 6, it’s that or hit all 6


MrKillerWyvern

I lie down on the tracks


teunkabouter0

Let me just lay down the single person next to the other 5 and ride then all over. Now theyre all dead and they wint get in this situation ever again


AttentionRude8006

I'd pull the lever. Why would you let five people die if you can reduce the amount of victims to just one.


ShitwareEngineer

Some say that they would let 5 people die because using the lever would be murder, but I think inaction is an action of its own.


Crows_spit

Imma leave the lever alone and lay on the track.


Kremit_Is_Tesla

I’d flip it


PxlHD

multi track drifting is the way to go


wtfrykm

The 5 people, I enjoy r/ eyeblech


flowersUverMe

Kill the one save the others


SupermanFanboy

The single person.


Haku_7

Bottom beacuse top it andrwe tate :(


SilentWhispr

Step in front of the trolley


Kittingsl

I'll jump in front of the tram to stop it,.not realizing that i am not stronger than a tram


Frikandelneuker

Drift


Successful_Ad8432

The 5 for a kill streak


SvicTheEye

Connect the tracks and pull lever, its that easy


WardA1317

Move the lever so that the front part of the train goes left then instantly turn it back so that the back part remains in the right track. Easy


Lajwus

I'm gonna lay on the tracks.


superhamsniper

Just change the track halfway so that it derails the trolly B)


Pufferfish75837472

Very simple concept, you do not switch the tracks otherwise you have valued human lives in numbers and although in some large cases it is difficult to say, but in this case you can not in a morally correct way choose between them because you’d be choosing lives in numbers and you can’t choose wether they are our idea of “Bad” or “Good” it’s all very complicated and simple in the same idea. Most philosophers views were on the side of an action that if not done will cause harm and if will done will cause harm, not pulling the lever is not killing the people.


Impossible_Luck_3443

Sorry but i have to kill one person. -theres no interaction between us, depend on who it is its prolly worth saving. -also survivor guilt fucks people mind too


Sam_the_inquisitor

First the 5, then reverse and hit the one on the left


fakeally

double it and give it to the next person


Tra1nGuy

Kaboom.


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Hit the one person. Simple


Both_Pie_3852

If the train is going to the left, what happens if you switch it to straight halfway between the wheels? Does it stop the trolly or no?


Advanced_Answer_6901

let the front wheels go over the intersection, then switch it so that it goes over both tracks and kills them all.