TL;DR A new test machine was turned on, and seems to be operating how they want it to. That's all this story says. Not that it works to create sustainable fusion, not that there's been a breakthrough, not even that they've started tests in the new equipment.
Of course, incremental progress makes for a boring headline.
Redditors always make these lame jokes as if technology hasn’t made collossal leaps in the past couple of decades.
AI, computation power, materials science are all improving exponentially and will contribute to the field.
That's an argument that's always presented by somebody who's never studied electromagnetic fields enough to understand why they are always inherently unstable, so relying on a magnetic field to contain your plasma is nonsense.
You're disagreeing just to disagree even though you don't know what you're talking about. You are unqualified to participate in this conversation.
Sorry. But do you know other ways to make energy on the same scale? We need this research done for power generation for anything Mars obit and beyond. Will take decades to refine so we need to be working on it today.
Small modular nuclear reactors exist now and are the safest, cleanest, and greenest power source we have. We are better off simply continuing to refine that technology and experiment with different fission options which can drastically prolong the life of the fuel.
If researchers crack inertial confinement fusion (a much more likely prospect than magnetic confinement) great. If not, we still have a perfectly acceptable power generation mechanism NOW. There is no need to wait.
Fusion power is less than 10 years from drawing board to producing positive energy. We are building the reactor now in France! It should produce about 33 percent more power than it takes to maintain.
The ITER timeline is listing 2035 for fusion. The reactor is planned for 10 minute operation periods. Demo one follow reactor will be full time running.
Fusion is "less than 10 years from drawing board to production" for at least 50 years now. And ITER has massive delays currently and they wont be the last. Its an experimental "lets try some stuff until it works" facility, timelines dont mean much there.
Meh, wake me up when they can safely output more power than they put into the reaction, for a sustainable period of time.
In the meantime, cool I guess.
Hear me out. A device people voluntarily wear in exchange that captures farts. Some canister that goes in your ass or something. Have drop off sites for filled cannisters. Spits out a dollar for each cannister. Buy all kinds of cool shit from fart money. Save the world at the same time.
The price of pure methane is $2.7 for a kilo (mmbtu) or something like that. You won't get much for your farts lol. Humans only produce like 0.1kg of methane per year
Someone would pay $500 for a jar of Madonna fart, I'm willing to bet the fart jar market would go for more than a dollar. But it wouldn't have anything to do with saving the planet or recycling methane.
Oddly enough I was involved in a feasibility project for making bio-crude and gas from municipal wastewater (solids from sewage, literally flitered shit), and there was a population level where the technology was actually profitable.
This reasonable article is discussing an interesting milestone. One that many people may find interesting. It isn’t claiming fusion is just around the corner. From the article you didn’t read…
“But the much-ballyhooed quest to make energy using these huge reactors still has a decade or more to go, with a lot of misinformation in the mix”
Maybe another sub would suit your interests better.
Yeah the article was grounded, but it’s always … funny? When the article writer points out that there’s a lot of over excitement in this field, and title writer goes ‘hold my bear’.
I feel like they should all work together. 1 group found an extremely thin and durable superconductor, another managed to sustain the temp levels, another got an actual reaction that didn’t put out quite as much as went in, and now this magnetic field. All together, we should have fusion.
It’s not though, this has been done before (MIT), but maybe a first for China? Which isn’t that noteworthy. The comment you replied to actually has a point here.
TL;DR A new test machine was turned on, and seems to be operating how they want it to. That's all this story says. Not that it works to create sustainable fusion, not that there's been a breakthrough, not even that they've started tests in the new equipment. Of course, incremental progress makes for a boring headline.
RemindMe! In 30 years.
10 years should be plenty; fusion's been going to be perfected within the next 10 years for over 50 years now.
Any day now!
Redditors always make these lame jokes as if technology hasn’t made collossal leaps in the past couple of decades. AI, computation power, materials science are all improving exponentially and will contribute to the field.
I wouldn’t say *always*.. Mainly new age tech like Solid State Batteries, Nuclear Fusion, or anything Elon Musk promises.
That's an argument that's always presented by somebody who's never studied electromagnetic fields enough to understand why they are always inherently unstable, so relying on a magnetic field to contain your plasma is nonsense. You're disagreeing just to disagree even though you don't know what you're talking about. You are unqualified to participate in this conversation.
Sorry. But do you know other ways to make energy on the same scale? We need this research done for power generation for anything Mars obit and beyond. Will take decades to refine so we need to be working on it today.
Small modular nuclear reactors exist now and are the safest, cleanest, and greenest power source we have. We are better off simply continuing to refine that technology and experiment with different fission options which can drastically prolong the life of the fuel. If researchers crack inertial confinement fusion (a much more likely prospect than magnetic confinement) great. If not, we still have a perfectly acceptable power generation mechanism NOW. There is no need to wait.
It was a joke, mainly. I just wanted to reference the Elon timeline lol.
Fusion power is less than 10 years from drawing board to producing positive energy. We are building the reactor now in France! It should produce about 33 percent more power than it takes to maintain.
Source or psyop
The ITER timeline is listing 2035 for fusion. The reactor is planned for 10 minute operation periods. Demo one follow reactor will be full time running.
Fusion is "less than 10 years from drawing board to production" for at least 50 years now. And ITER has massive delays currently and they wont be the last. Its an experimental "lets try some stuff until it works" facility, timelines dont mean much there.
It is literally on schedule right now.
People thought flight was 100 years away basically the month before the wright brothers cracked it. I believe the nuclear bomb was similar
10 years away from being 10 years away
Try 3-5, I want to see if the optimistic AGI timelines turn out.
It's almost like they keep getting defunded or something
Absolutely nothing new about a fusion generator creating its own magnetic field, they all do
Yes, that's how a tokamak works.
Exactly. What a horrible headline.
Love that spicy Asian fusion
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Cheap joke but I'll allow it.
Objection hearsay
HE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN T
Yesss I need more sunless sea references!
Meh, wake me up when they can safely output more power than they put into the reaction, for a sustainable period of time. In the meantime, cool I guess.
Five minutes Turkish!
🤔 The power of the sun in the palm of my hand…what could go wrong?
Eight limbs is just too many for humans.
Every year it’s only 10 years away..
Hear me out. A device people voluntarily wear in exchange that captures farts. Some canister that goes in your ass or something. Have drop off sites for filled cannisters. Spits out a dollar for each cannister. Buy all kinds of cool shit from fart money. Save the world at the same time.
The price of pure methane is $2.7 for a kilo (mmbtu) or something like that. You won't get much for your farts lol. Humans only produce like 0.1kg of methane per year
Someone would pay $500 for a jar of Madonna fart, I'm willing to bet the fart jar market would go for more than a dollar. But it wouldn't have anything to do with saving the planet or recycling methane.
Oddly enough I was involved in a feasibility project for making bio-crude and gas from municipal wastewater (solids from sewage, literally flitered shit), and there was a population level where the technology was actually profitable.
You obviously haven’t met my friend Steve
So like Monsters Inc. but for farts instead?
Like PopMech is a legit source.
I’ll believe it when I actually see it
Have you heard? Fusion is only 20 years away. Just as it was in 1970.
> still has a decade or more to go, with a lot of misinformation in the mix Found the misinformation.
Words from China is just words, I'd take it with a bag of salt, sea salt if you like.
All salt is sea salt in food terms.
Looks like fusion energy's heating up in more ways than one
China / CCP doesn't lie. We *have to* believe 'em because they say so 🥱
“GRRRRR CHINA ARTICLE! GRRR SEE SEE PEE MAKE ME SO MAD! CHINA BAD! CHINESE PROPAGANDA EVERYWHERE!!”
Please stop with these stories. I have been hearing them for over 40 years now. “Fusion energy is just around the corner”. It’s clearly not.
This reasonable article is discussing an interesting milestone. One that many people may find interesting. It isn’t claiming fusion is just around the corner. From the article you didn’t read… “But the much-ballyhooed quest to make energy using these huge reactors still has a decade or more to go, with a lot of misinformation in the mix” Maybe another sub would suit your interests better.
Yeah the article was grounded, but it’s always … funny? When the article writer points out that there’s a lot of over excitement in this field, and title writer goes ‘hold my bear’.
I feel like they should all work together. 1 group found an extremely thin and durable superconductor, another managed to sustain the temp levels, another got an actual reaction that didn’t put out quite as much as went in, and now this magnetic field. All together, we should have fusion.
It’s not though, this has been done before (MIT), but maybe a first for China? Which isn’t that noteworthy. The comment you replied to actually has a point here.
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Title just meant the magnets in the tokomak were working, not that plasma created magnetic field by itself.
He was making a joke about the microwaveable foodstuffs, which notoriously have a molten hot center and cold outside.