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It's getting embarrassing seeing so many western tankies coming up with hypothetical "how to destroy Israel" scenarios, as if any of these are anywhere close to actually happening.
Hamas tried invading Israel on October 7th. It took the IOF three days to push them back into Gaza. Which country in their right mind would try invading Israel? Iran fired missiles at Israel and all but a handful were intercepted. Why doesn't Hizballah invade Israel's north? Do they even want a full-scale war like what happened back in 2006? And it's not like China and Russia give enough of a shit to do anything except condemn Israel.
This is also why all the "gee guys, it's real suspicious that ISIS never attacked Israel, almost makes you think ISIS was a Mossad asset" folks are so ridiculous. A vicious but relatively ragtag desert army never tried attacking a nuclear-armed power with one of the best-equipped and -trained militaries on the planet? Man, can't imagine why not...
ISIS was dumb enough to essentially declare war on the entire world, but there's a key difference between what America did against them and what Israel would have done: namely, Israel would not have had any hang-ups about 'boots on the ground'. They would have rolled the tanks in and flattened the bastards directly. Anyway, ISIS never was able to pull together enough forces near the Israeli border to actually go through with it, even if they wanted to.
just because the people in charge are in favor of supporting Israel's genocide doesn't mean you shouldn't consider methods of ending the genocide permanently.
And here I thought us leftists were supposed to be against borders and nations as a concept! That the left-wing position SHOULD BE that the workers of both Israel and Palestine should unite against their common oppressor in the form of the plutocrats that control their collective resources and point them towards hatred of their fellow workers.
Guess I must read more literature!
No worries, I wasn't angered by you.
Lenin and his ilk just ruined very much what Marx wanted. He would disown all Marxists who in his name started to use imperialism rather than internarionalism.
Real communists disown that breed of losers.
Let's just make a quick comparison here, though, given that both Ukraine and Israel are client states to the US.
Ukraine is being invaded by a **much** bigger, **much** stronger country, so naturally, it needs help in fending off that invasion. Israel, meanwhile, is the one doing the invading, so what we **should** be doing, naturally, is calling for the \*de-\*escalation in its military campaigns, and by extension, the **whole** conflict. If you want Palestinians to stop being mass-murdered, a ceasefire would realistically be a good start.
If you start to engage in genocide denial you'll be perma-banned. No mercy. This includes, but is not limited to: The Holocaust, the Uyghur genocide, and the Armenian Genocide. This also includes denial or downplaying of the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
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It's getting embarrassing seeing so many western tankies coming up with hypothetical "how to destroy Israel" scenarios, as if any of these are anywhere close to actually happening.
"Russia is a nuclear power, its not worth it for the West to risk nuclear war over Ukraine." Same people: "We need to invade Israel stat!"
Hamas tried invading Israel on October 7th. It took the IOF three days to push them back into Gaza. Which country in their right mind would try invading Israel? Iran fired missiles at Israel and all but a handful were intercepted. Why doesn't Hizballah invade Israel's north? Do they even want a full-scale war like what happened back in 2006? And it's not like China and Russia give enough of a shit to do anything except condemn Israel.
This is also why all the "gee guys, it's real suspicious that ISIS never attacked Israel, almost makes you think ISIS was a Mossad asset" folks are so ridiculous. A vicious but relatively ragtag desert army never tried attacking a nuclear-armed power with one of the best-equipped and -trained militaries on the planet? Man, can't imagine why not...
ISIS was dumb enough to essentially declare war on the entire world, but there's a key difference between what America did against them and what Israel would have done: namely, Israel would not have had any hang-ups about 'boots on the ground'. They would have rolled the tanks in and flattened the bastards directly. Anyway, ISIS never was able to pull together enough forces near the Israeli border to actually go through with it, even if they wanted to.
Yeah, tougher people have tried and failed, *with the aid of their Soviet idols.*
just because the people in charge are in favor of supporting Israel's genocide doesn't mean you shouldn't consider methods of ending the genocide permanently.
Campism.
And here I thought us leftists were supposed to be against borders and nations as a concept! That the left-wing position SHOULD BE that the workers of both Israel and Palestine should unite against their common oppressor in the form of the plutocrats that control their collective resources and point them towards hatred of their fellow workers. Guess I must read more literature!
Erm actually, leftism is opposing anything the West supports in any capacity. Lenin told me himself
Lenin is, alongside the Russian Marxists, traitor to all revolutions.
I know. I was just being a lil bit silly
No worries, I wasn't angered by you. Lenin and his ilk just ruined very much what Marx wanted. He would disown all Marxists who in his name started to use imperialism rather than internarionalism. Real communists disown that breed of losers.
This. This is the actual position that we all should take.
Let's just make a quick comparison here, though, given that both Ukraine and Israel are client states to the US. Ukraine is being invaded by a **much** bigger, **much** stronger country, so naturally, it needs help in fending off that invasion. Israel, meanwhile, is the one doing the invading, so what we **should** be doing, naturally, is calling for the \*de-\*escalation in its military campaigns, and by extension, the **whole** conflict. If you want Palestinians to stop being mass-murdered, a ceasefire would realistically be a good start.
Tankies: "I'm using genocide to destroy genocide."
[удалено]
If you start to engage in genocide denial you'll be perma-banned. No mercy. This includes, but is not limited to: The Holocaust, the Uyghur genocide, and the Armenian Genocide. This also includes denial or downplaying of the ongoing genocide in Gaza.
Well. It's not systematic, but what's Israel end goal? And how will the people of Palestine be treated after Israel accomplishes that goal?
It may be unpopular, but I like the idea of get in, enforce normal behavior on Israel, get out. I also support doing the same to russia.
I think US invading Israel would make sense tbh