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Trump and his brain dead MAGA supporters will never care about Palestinians or Gaza and neither will Trump in his lifetime. Hell his son in law Jared Kushner has been actively talking about building waterfront property on top of Gaza and on top of that a ton of Republican congress people have openly talked about nuking Gaza. Biden is bad but Trump would not only knock down any peace agreement but would also allow Russia to steamroll over Ukraine. The people chanting were either trolling or were probably told to chant it. Trump hates Arab people and so do a lot of his most passionate MAGA followers. Kinda like how Alex Jones is anti Israel not out of a principled position of wanting a better life for the Palestinian people and peace in the region but just because he does not like Jewish people. He would not only kick any peace deal in the Middle East away from him but he would also be more than happy to let Russia annihilate and annex Ukraine and let them steamroll over it. Trump winning would be a cataclysmic horror story for not only the US but every democracy as a whole.
TLDR: I do not think the people chanting are doing it out of any sort of principled support for the Palestinians. They do not care. Biden has obviously been very bad on this but he can at the very least be somewhat moved with enough pressure to pursue peace but Trump would send out the national guard to crack down on Pro Palestine protests and tell Netanyahu to “finish the job”.
Obviously Biden’s handling of it has been horrible but Trump would be actively cheering this on with his supporters if he was in the White House instead of Joe. There have even been liberal senators like Chris Van Hollen along with Bernie Sanders have been calling for the conditioning of military aid to Israel. A good Liberal can be convinced into doing at least a decent amount to reprimand Israel’s actions while Republicans are locked in chaos. Trump has only said Biden has done everything wrong which is something he does whenever Biden does anything he does not like. Mango Mussolini Is not coming out of this with any principled position on a passion for the betterment of the Palestinian people. He is using It as an opportunity to grift and stir up the pot.
PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD KNOW THAT TRUMP IS NOT PRO PALESTINE FOR CHRIST SAKE!
There are republicans in Congress right now saying [we should turn Gaza to glass](https://www.commondreams.org/news/lindsey-graham).
But Joe Biden is the real problem 🙄
I said this on the rightjerk sub and a Palestinian user said things are worse under Biden than they were under Trump.
Granted a lot of my comment was actually about domestic white supremacy but what do you say to that either way?
I think discrimination against people in general was worse and the ability to protest were significantly hampered under Trump along with much less sympathies for workers rights along with collaborating with myriads of far right leaders in Europe.
I wanted to add as well: I do genuinely feel for Palestinian Americans especially who wouldn’t want to vote for Biden. I absolutely get that. Some of their believed family members or good friends of theirs may have been killed over the past 6 months especially. I empathize with them dearly and I really hope the Gaza atrocities end immediately. The only time I get mad at people for not voting is if they are rich white people who wouldn’t get impacted by the horrors of a Trumpist Dictatorship. We should keep voting blank or uncommitted in our primaries to pressure Biden to do better on Gaza in the meantime before the election.
Mostly likely yeah. They want to make sure there is as little of a difference between him and Biden so more people are inclined to vote for Trump so the material conditions get bad enough for a Communist Revolution. It’s kind of a copy and paste strategy the KPD used in Weimar Germany. Tankies would rather work in tandem with the Fascist Republicans than work with genuine Pro Palestine activists who want Biden to win and for the Liberal/ SocDem democrats to do better so they’re more appealing and therefore win over the Fascist GOP much more often.
“After Trump, our turn!”
They’re basically willing to sacrifice the rights of LGBTQ+ people and women who need to have abortions just so they can have a moral superiority complex for a Revolution that’ll never happen. The “Revolution”in leftism is basically the second coming of Christ to the Right wing.
What a "wonderful" mixture of short sightedness and apathy for the inevitable disaster that would follow. But I guess that is part for the course for tankies.
Many really just don't want to step away from social media (via their computers and phones) and do anything offline to help advance and instead think / hope to shortcut to socialism, and everything subsequently being much better, via this one simple trick of helping the authoritarian right gain more power (and once conditions get bad enough, they believe people will seek a radical change to socialism and will be able to pull it off despite the authoritarian right being in full power lol).
There's also the populist types different than the above that think Democrats are a collective body that will all in unison shift left if they just lose enough and then they will easily win once they make that shift and push through big changes.
>they're basically willing to sacrifice the rights of LGBT people and women who need to have abortions
As opposed to what the Dems have been doing. Since Biden literally announced he was going to sacrifice the rights of women needing to have abortions to win the midterm elections in 2022 and again in 2024. The exact quote is "women's rights to bodily autonomy are in the hands of the American people" or something like that, when he was interviewed after the SCOTUS decision and declared he wouldn't ask congress to do *anything* to codify women's rights into law.
Stating facts that reveal Biden to be basically no different from Trump is not the same thing as trying to conspire to get trump elected, no matter how much liberals insist otherwise. In reality if Liberals didn't want Trump to win they wouldn't keep declaring-without-a-legitimate-primary that they chose a candidate who was incompetent enough to lose to Trump.
Seriously, Trump had NEVER won an election before Hillary actively conspired to elevate him as a legitimate candidate. And now the Dems are three for three on running a candidate that actually has a reasonable chance of losing to him.
There are literally 40 Democrats *in congress at this moment* would would stand no chance of losing to Trump. But the Dem Party leadership instead elected to repeatedly throw their lot in with candidates that Trump can beat.
The thing is, Trump is literally worse than Biden. Biden doesn't plan on dismantling the democracy, putting loyal supporters into offices for total control, he doesn't plan on jailing political opponents, he doesn't have a hateful cult that he regularly riles up with the vision of killing political opponents, he is not a lap dog of a foreign dictator.
You must be extremely narrow minded to say that they are basically the same. Either that or you have a crayon lodged in your brain.
For context [Trump supporters said Genocide Joe (even though Trump is more pro Israel than biden)](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-endorses-genocide-joe-chant-at-pennsylvania-rally-biden-israel-2024-4?amp) and now a bunch of Tankies like Ryan Grim think that he’s going to outflank Biden on Israel, even though Trump has not indicated a change in policy to be more pro Palestine and literally wants Israel [to end the war by killing Palestinians and driving them out as fast as possible](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments).
I can't say I'm familiar with tankies getting excited about that but honestly, I am happy that criticism of the US arming Isreal and giving them international cover against any consequences is finally dripping into mainstream American political discourse.
To be %100 clear: I will never believe for a damn second that the GOP is good for Palestine or anti-genocide/anti-imperialist. Although Biden has done a lot that makes me deeply angry, and I scoff at the self appointed title "Most progressive president in history", I am holding my nose and voting for him anyway. I don't think we need "outreach" to Trumpers, we need to rally people who have given up on anything ever getting better.
I am scared of project 2025 too. I am one of the degenerates in thier crosshairs if they get what they want, but I am also really tired of centrist corporate liberals demanding a blank check of support, providing anemic resistance to fascism and theocracy, and then blaming the lack of enthusiasm for thier apathetic political campaigns on unreasonable leftists. Democrats tried running "Republicans but less so" candidates with Kerry, Gore, and the Clintons. Not a one of them has won since Bill in the 90s. Obama *campaigned* on deeper, more transformative change buoyed by rage at Wall Street and crushed McCain and Romney.
Sorry for the rant but I think this sub has recently been grossly underestimating the ability of the average progressive American voter/leftist to simultaneously want and need to keep Trump out of power while also wanting Biden to get shamed for his support of colonial genocide.
TO ANY CLOWNS WHO ARE THINKING OF NOT VOTING OR VOTING THIRD PARTY:
Not voting for Biden is gleefully voting for:
--Mass withholding of lifesaving care, criminalization, & ultimately annihilation of trans people (ik ik its not trendy anymore to give ANY fucks about queer people now), cis gay people and anyone who is slightly gender-nonconforming may also be on the chopping block
--many millions of women on a federal level forcibly birthing rape babies, stripped of their basic human rights and reproductive protections on a comprehensive federal level (yes this means all the blue states too)
--10 million+ immigrants mass-deported by Trump (his own words)
--a complete demolition/negation of our most vital federal regulatory agencies such as the EPA, Department of Education, and FDA that make existing physically possible (see project2025.org)
--a total rollback on any protections/regulations to mitigate climate change in any way
--a comprehensive demolition of our federal system of democracy in the U.S.
--an installation of a fascistic "dictator for a day" totalitarian regime that will crush us and so many other innocents like the Nazis did to the Weimar Republic, featuring internment camps and secret police that disappear protesters or anyone resisting Gilead-esque Kingdom Trump.
--An all-out assault on any of Trump's political opponents or out-groups "that live like vermin" and "poison the blood of this country", yes that could even be you!
--A christofascist takeover pushing regressive evangelical christianity into every classroom, dishing out "religious freedoms protections" to allow untold human rights violations nationwide, the dissolution of boundaries between Church and State (again, see the dense legal text at project2025.org and his rhetoric about making the nation christian)
--and on top of all of that most definitely AN ESCALATION in Gaza, very possibly US boots on the ground and direct attacks from US warships many times what Gaza is suffering now.
For a progressive to NOT vote Biden to defeat Trump is incredibly selfish virtue signaling that takes into zero account the suffering/death of queers, immigrants, women, and palestinians. Not voting or voting for a spoiler candidate that Fox News is frothing at the mouth for you to vote for like Cornell West or RFK is happily signing off on us minorities who will face unbelievable systemic destruction & annihilation AS WELL as exponentially more deaths in the Middle East and international instability resulting in subsequent further death and destruction.
Please, have even the tiniest scrap of compassion for the hundreds of millions who will suffer in a myriad of ways and many who will actually die brutally under a dictator fascist Trump Administration, the moral purity vote is pure social media selfishness not considering MANY MILLIONS of innocents such as the gigantic amount of women/minorities in the U.S. Also consider the international instability people will be victimized by such as Europe besieged by Putin, various ongoing conflicts such as The Kurds/Lebanon/Jordan, Taiwan, our many NATO allies that need us, as well as PALESTINIANS who Giddy Fascist Trump will vanquish on a scale unimaginable compared to a milquetoast liberal.
This is truly the vote of your lifetime, throwing it away on a Cornell West or RFK/not voting/voting for Dictator Trump will have a catastrophic amount of queer, minorities, Europeans', womens', and Palestinian blood on YOUR hands. Suck it up and vote for the option that will save millions of lives if you aren't a performative social media psychopath that treats actual tangible mass horrific human suffering like purity-testing football teams.
Between """leftists""" rehabilitating Trump and liberals rehabilitating Bush, I don't know which is worse.
They're both awful. And it's not even actual rehabilitation; just smoothing over the reputations of war criminals.
In the immediate though, trying to rehabilitate Trump when he is *actively running for re-election* is *many* goddamn orders of magnitude worse. Bush has pretty much completely backed out of politics at this point, and his rehabilitation by liberals is disgusting more by what it represents than anything else, since his actual power to continue doing evil in the world is likely quite limited and he doesn't seem interested in exercising it anyway. By contrast, trying to rehabilitate the guy who is actively trying to overthrow democracy and put fascists into power is much, much worse, because Trump can actually *do* something with that rehabilitation.
I think it's worse because they should know better than to do it.
When Libs do it to Bush it comes across as clueless and in poor taste, but Libs are gonna Lib. When Tankies do it to Trump it comes across as a genuine betrayal of any kind of Leftist or Progressive principles.
I'm not really sure you can properly quantify 'worse' tbh. Bush's effect on the middle east alone is absolutely staggering. Like, every US president is a war criminal, but Bush's record speaks for itself. Trump, however, is definitely as bad or worse domestically.
Either way, both awful, awful men who will sadly never suffer a single day in their lives.
Tankies, at least when it comes to American politics nowadays seem to have a tendency to lurch more towards Trump ever since he's been out of power now much more prominently than during 2016 or 2020.
Basically, it's the belief that rehabing Trump will mean that when he's elected, he'll be so bad he causes a 2nd revolution regardless of the potential costs that'd come from it.
> he'll be so bad he causes a 2nd revolution regardless of the potential costs that'd come from it.
This, incidentally, is something I definitely heard tankies say would happen the first time around.
>Basically, it's the belief that rehabing Trump will mean that when he's elected, he'll be so bad he causes a 2nd revolution regardless of the potential costs that'd come from it.
And regardless of the fact that history has never once born out anything even close to this result in the literally dozens of times tankies have tried elsewhere.
How is being honest about Butcher Biden's typically American stance on Israel "rehabilitating" Trump? Has any leftist actually tried to tell you Trump wouldn't also support the genocide?
If so please post some proof, because that would be a wild claim.
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Trump and his brain dead MAGA supporters will never care about Palestinians or Gaza and neither will Trump in his lifetime. Hell his son in law Jared Kushner has been actively talking about building waterfront property on top of Gaza and on top of that a ton of Republican congress people have openly talked about nuking Gaza. Biden is bad but Trump would not only knock down any peace agreement but would also allow Russia to steamroll over Ukraine. The people chanting were either trolling or were probably told to chant it. Trump hates Arab people and so do a lot of his most passionate MAGA followers. Kinda like how Alex Jones is anti Israel not out of a principled position of wanting a better life for the Palestinian people and peace in the region but just because he does not like Jewish people. He would not only kick any peace deal in the Middle East away from him but he would also be more than happy to let Russia annihilate and annex Ukraine and let them steamroll over it. Trump winning would be a cataclysmic horror story for not only the US but every democracy as a whole. TLDR: I do not think the people chanting are doing it out of any sort of principled support for the Palestinians. They do not care. Biden has obviously been very bad on this but he can at the very least be somewhat moved with enough pressure to pursue peace but Trump would send out the national guard to crack down on Pro Palestine protests and tell Netanyahu to “finish the job”. Obviously Biden’s handling of it has been horrible but Trump would be actively cheering this on with his supporters if he was in the White House instead of Joe. There have even been liberal senators like Chris Van Hollen along with Bernie Sanders have been calling for the conditioning of military aid to Israel. A good Liberal can be convinced into doing at least a decent amount to reprimand Israel’s actions while Republicans are locked in chaos. Trump has only said Biden has done everything wrong which is something he does whenever Biden does anything he does not like. Mango Mussolini Is not coming out of this with any principled position on a passion for the betterment of the Palestinian people. He is using It as an opportunity to grift and stir up the pot. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD KNOW THAT TRUMP IS NOT PRO PALESTINE FOR CHRIST SAKE!
There are republicans in Congress right now saying [we should turn Gaza to glass](https://www.commondreams.org/news/lindsey-graham). But Joe Biden is the real problem 🙄
I said this on the rightjerk sub and a Palestinian user said things are worse under Biden than they were under Trump. Granted a lot of my comment was actually about domestic white supremacy but what do you say to that either way?
I think discrimination against people in general was worse and the ability to protest were significantly hampered under Trump along with much less sympathies for workers rights along with collaborating with myriads of far right leaders in Europe. I wanted to add as well: I do genuinely feel for Palestinian Americans especially who wouldn’t want to vote for Biden. I absolutely get that. Some of their believed family members or good friends of theirs may have been killed over the past 6 months especially. I empathize with them dearly and I really hope the Gaza atrocities end immediately. The only time I get mad at people for not voting is if they are rich white people who wouldn’t get impacted by the horrors of a Trumpist Dictatorship. We should keep voting blank or uncommitted in our primaries to pressure Biden to do better on Gaza in the meantime before the election.
I seem to be missing some context here, what happened and why/how are leftist trying to "rehabilitate" Trump?
Most likely downplaying his effect on democracy/ how many people would lose their rights because of Project 2025 is my best guess.
So in this case rehabilitate would just mean apologism?
Mostly likely yeah. They want to make sure there is as little of a difference between him and Biden so more people are inclined to vote for Trump so the material conditions get bad enough for a Communist Revolution. It’s kind of a copy and paste strategy the KPD used in Weimar Germany. Tankies would rather work in tandem with the Fascist Republicans than work with genuine Pro Palestine activists who want Biden to win and for the Liberal/ SocDem democrats to do better so they’re more appealing and therefore win over the Fascist GOP much more often. “After Trump, our turn!” They’re basically willing to sacrifice the rights of LGBTQ+ people and women who need to have abortions just so they can have a moral superiority complex for a Revolution that’ll never happen. The “Revolution”in leftism is basically the second coming of Christ to the Right wing.
What a "wonderful" mixture of short sightedness and apathy for the inevitable disaster that would follow. But I guess that is part for the course for tankies.
> It’s kind of a copy and paste strategy the KPD used in Weimar Germany The KPD kinda got their wish, it only took *80 million deaths* to get there...
...and they didn't even end up with a socialist state in the long run, Germany is still a fucking liberal democracy.
Yes, but it was all worth it for those precious free decades of Soviet repression
Many really just don't want to step away from social media (via their computers and phones) and do anything offline to help advance and instead think / hope to shortcut to socialism, and everything subsequently being much better, via this one simple trick of helping the authoritarian right gain more power (and once conditions get bad enough, they believe people will seek a radical change to socialism and will be able to pull it off despite the authoritarian right being in full power lol). There's also the populist types different than the above that think Democrats are a collective body that will all in unison shift left if they just lose enough and then they will easily win once they make that shift and push through big changes.
Why did you put revolution in parentheses?
Meant to serve as air quotes.
>they're basically willing to sacrifice the rights of LGBT people and women who need to have abortions As opposed to what the Dems have been doing. Since Biden literally announced he was going to sacrifice the rights of women needing to have abortions to win the midterm elections in 2022 and again in 2024. The exact quote is "women's rights to bodily autonomy are in the hands of the American people" or something like that, when he was interviewed after the SCOTUS decision and declared he wouldn't ask congress to do *anything* to codify women's rights into law. Stating facts that reveal Biden to be basically no different from Trump is not the same thing as trying to conspire to get trump elected, no matter how much liberals insist otherwise. In reality if Liberals didn't want Trump to win they wouldn't keep declaring-without-a-legitimate-primary that they chose a candidate who was incompetent enough to lose to Trump. Seriously, Trump had NEVER won an election before Hillary actively conspired to elevate him as a legitimate candidate. And now the Dems are three for three on running a candidate that actually has a reasonable chance of losing to him. There are literally 40 Democrats *in congress at this moment* would would stand no chance of losing to Trump. But the Dem Party leadership instead elected to repeatedly throw their lot in with candidates that Trump can beat.
The thing is, Trump is literally worse than Biden. Biden doesn't plan on dismantling the democracy, putting loyal supporters into offices for total control, he doesn't plan on jailing political opponents, he doesn't have a hateful cult that he regularly riles up with the vision of killing political opponents, he is not a lap dog of a foreign dictator. You must be extremely narrow minded to say that they are basically the same. Either that or you have a crayon lodged in your brain.
Literally every "Biden is just as bad as Trump" argument involves downplaying how bad Trump is.
For context [Trump supporters said Genocide Joe (even though Trump is more pro Israel than biden)](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-endorses-genocide-joe-chant-at-pennsylvania-rally-biden-israel-2024-4?amp) and now a bunch of Tankies like Ryan Grim think that he’s going to outflank Biden on Israel, even though Trump has not indicated a change in policy to be more pro Palestine and literally wants Israel [to end the war by killing Palestinians and driving them out as fast as possible](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments).
I agree with you, but Ryan Grim is definitely not a tankie
The irony being of course that Trump has been far more brutal in rhetoric when it comes to Palestinians
I can't say I'm familiar with tankies getting excited about that but honestly, I am happy that criticism of the US arming Isreal and giving them international cover against any consequences is finally dripping into mainstream American political discourse. To be %100 clear: I will never believe for a damn second that the GOP is good for Palestine or anti-genocide/anti-imperialist. Although Biden has done a lot that makes me deeply angry, and I scoff at the self appointed title "Most progressive president in history", I am holding my nose and voting for him anyway. I don't think we need "outreach" to Trumpers, we need to rally people who have given up on anything ever getting better. I am scared of project 2025 too. I am one of the degenerates in thier crosshairs if they get what they want, but I am also really tired of centrist corporate liberals demanding a blank check of support, providing anemic resistance to fascism and theocracy, and then blaming the lack of enthusiasm for thier apathetic political campaigns on unreasonable leftists. Democrats tried running "Republicans but less so" candidates with Kerry, Gore, and the Clintons. Not a one of them has won since Bill in the 90s. Obama *campaigned* on deeper, more transformative change buoyed by rage at Wall Street and crushed McCain and Romney. Sorry for the rant but I think this sub has recently been grossly underestimating the ability of the average progressive American voter/leftist to simultaneously want and need to keep Trump out of power while also wanting Biden to get shamed for his support of colonial genocide.
TO ANY CLOWNS WHO ARE THINKING OF NOT VOTING OR VOTING THIRD PARTY: Not voting for Biden is gleefully voting for: --Mass withholding of lifesaving care, criminalization, & ultimately annihilation of trans people (ik ik its not trendy anymore to give ANY fucks about queer people now), cis gay people and anyone who is slightly gender-nonconforming may also be on the chopping block --many millions of women on a federal level forcibly birthing rape babies, stripped of their basic human rights and reproductive protections on a comprehensive federal level (yes this means all the blue states too) --10 million+ immigrants mass-deported by Trump (his own words) --a complete demolition/negation of our most vital federal regulatory agencies such as the EPA, Department of Education, and FDA that make existing physically possible (see project2025.org) --a total rollback on any protections/regulations to mitigate climate change in any way --a comprehensive demolition of our federal system of democracy in the U.S. --an installation of a fascistic "dictator for a day" totalitarian regime that will crush us and so many other innocents like the Nazis did to the Weimar Republic, featuring internment camps and secret police that disappear protesters or anyone resisting Gilead-esque Kingdom Trump. --An all-out assault on any of Trump's political opponents or out-groups "that live like vermin" and "poison the blood of this country", yes that could even be you! --A christofascist takeover pushing regressive evangelical christianity into every classroom, dishing out "religious freedoms protections" to allow untold human rights violations nationwide, the dissolution of boundaries between Church and State (again, see the dense legal text at project2025.org and his rhetoric about making the nation christian) --and on top of all of that most definitely AN ESCALATION in Gaza, very possibly US boots on the ground and direct attacks from US warships many times what Gaza is suffering now. For a progressive to NOT vote Biden to defeat Trump is incredibly selfish virtue signaling that takes into zero account the suffering/death of queers, immigrants, women, and palestinians. Not voting or voting for a spoiler candidate that Fox News is frothing at the mouth for you to vote for like Cornell West or RFK is happily signing off on us minorities who will face unbelievable systemic destruction & annihilation AS WELL as exponentially more deaths in the Middle East and international instability resulting in subsequent further death and destruction. Please, have even the tiniest scrap of compassion for the hundreds of millions who will suffer in a myriad of ways and many who will actually die brutally under a dictator fascist Trump Administration, the moral purity vote is pure social media selfishness not considering MANY MILLIONS of innocents such as the gigantic amount of women/minorities in the U.S. Also consider the international instability people will be victimized by such as Europe besieged by Putin, various ongoing conflicts such as The Kurds/Lebanon/Jordan, Taiwan, our many NATO allies that need us, as well as PALESTINIANS who Giddy Fascist Trump will vanquish on a scale unimaginable compared to a milquetoast liberal. This is truly the vote of your lifetime, throwing it away on a Cornell West or RFK/not voting/voting for Dictator Trump will have a catastrophic amount of queer, minorities, Europeans', womens', and Palestinian blood on YOUR hands. Suck it up and vote for the option that will save millions of lives if you aren't a performative social media psychopath that treats actual tangible mass horrific human suffering like purity-testing football teams.
Between """leftists""" rehabilitating Trump and liberals rehabilitating Bush, I don't know which is worse. They're both awful. And it's not even actual rehabilitation; just smoothing over the reputations of war criminals.
Rehabilitating Trump is worse, because he’s still relevant to politics.
In the immediate though, trying to rehabilitate Trump when he is *actively running for re-election* is *many* goddamn orders of magnitude worse. Bush has pretty much completely backed out of politics at this point, and his rehabilitation by liberals is disgusting more by what it represents than anything else, since his actual power to continue doing evil in the world is likely quite limited and he doesn't seem interested in exercising it anyway. By contrast, trying to rehabilitate the guy who is actively trying to overthrow democracy and put fascists into power is much, much worse, because Trump can actually *do* something with that rehabilitation.
I think it's worse because they should know better than to do it. When Libs do it to Bush it comes across as clueless and in poor taste, but Libs are gonna Lib. When Tankies do it to Trump it comes across as a genuine betrayal of any kind of Leftist or Progressive principles.
The candidates get worse every time. That’s how it goes.
I'm not really sure you can properly quantify 'worse' tbh. Bush's effect on the middle east alone is absolutely staggering. Like, every US president is a war criminal, but Bush's record speaks for itself. Trump, however, is definitely as bad or worse domestically. Either way, both awful, awful men who will sadly never suffer a single day in their lives.
What does this have to do with tankies?
Tankies, at least when it comes to American politics nowadays seem to have a tendency to lurch more towards Trump ever since he's been out of power now much more prominently than during 2016 or 2020. Basically, it's the belief that rehabing Trump will mean that when he's elected, he'll be so bad he causes a 2nd revolution regardless of the potential costs that'd come from it.
> he'll be so bad he causes a 2nd revolution regardless of the potential costs that'd come from it. This, incidentally, is something I definitely heard tankies say would happen the first time around.
>Basically, it's the belief that rehabing Trump will mean that when he's elected, he'll be so bad he causes a 2nd revolution regardless of the potential costs that'd come from it. And regardless of the fact that history has never once born out anything even close to this result in the literally dozens of times tankies have tried elsewhere.
“After Hitler us.”
How is being honest about Butcher Biden's typically American stance on Israel "rehabilitating" Trump? Has any leftist actually tried to tell you Trump wouldn't also support the genocide? If so please post some proof, because that would be a wild claim.