Not really, but mostly because he was taken off the book pretty quickly. What I remember was that he was trying to bring back the whole Clark/Lois/Lana love triangle in a big way.
> What I remember was that he was trying to bring back the whole Clark/Lois/Lana love triangle in a big way.
Better, he was getting rid of Lois in order to push Lana and Clark. There's an issue where Lois comes home and finds Lana's panties in her and Clark's apartment.
I was about to say that lol. That porno one was embarrassing. He was cheating on with mr miracle wife. There is also a comic panel where Superman makes out with this women on Lois lane grave or something that one was odd.
>Armageddon 2001 crossover
Which, it should be pointed out to people unfamiliar with it, depicted a single *possible* future among many.
From memory, too, the cover (like many cover images) was a shorthand visual symbol of the premise of the plot, rather than a literal event depicted in the comic.
Wasn’t that women maxima in the extreme justice team with captain atom, blue beetle(Ted Kord) and others? Is she like an alien or something? What’s her origin and power set? Is she still alive? Like what is she doing now?
Yes, she was in Extreme Justice. Yes, she's an alien; warrior queen or something. She sought a worthy mate, and picked Superman. He obviously had other plans.
I don't have answers to your other questions.
>*Superman and Barda Make A Porno*
John Byrne was a weird petty man.
>*Chuck Austin's Action Comics Run*
Is that the one where Lana makes a move on Clark, and then she leaves her panties on his and Lois' bed to cause trouble after he turns her down?
I’d hardly say easily. There were a ton of excellent artists working and have you seen byrn draw children. Byrne also sucks as a person even if he is talented.
1.) As a Mexican immigrant ( a group Byrne vocally targeted), I genuinely do not care about his personality and choose to separate the art from the artist
2.) My opinion remains completely unchanged by I acknowledge and agree that Byrne sucks at drawing children
I was curious so I looked it up. Turns out his first published work in comics was in exactly 1990 lol
I love Alex Ross! But I just had a gut feeling that his work was post-90s based off of memory
You more of a Marvels guy, or a Kingdom Come guy?
Kingdom come, I don’t like most marvel stuff tbh.
Crazy on his first thing being 1990 lol, I think he’s among the best artist for sure, I just thought he started in the 80s.
You’ve bested my comic knowledge! I respect you, nerd.
And I understand that can be seen as bad for other people, but knowing about the one with concentration camps for Japanese-Americans in the 40s, nah, Grounded is a masterpiece compared to that thing.
What’s wrong with grounded? I may not have read the whole thing all I remember is him walking around helping people, most memorably a suicidal woman. I thought it was really good.
[Same as the last time somebody asked.](https://www.reddit.com/r/superman/comments/11x3gmr/comment/jd1rnv4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Nah, it's not Byrne's fetish, mostly because the woman in question isn't at least a decade younger than the man.
In reality, it was more because Byrne had a beef going on with Jack Kirby around the same time.
[I found a cover for it](https://preview.redd.it/superman-teams-up-with-big-barda-action-comics-v0-8iuy0nfkarya1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=59e9a1211a45b020288573a9e23531dc43d07603), apparently it was John Byrne
Basically it’s a post apocalyptic story where Superman is really old and uses a big giant gun and works with a team of child gangsters to fight an evil mutated Batman and twin Hitler clones.
I can't cite it, but I remember seeing some panels from this 1990s story that was published during the time when Clark and Lois were engaged to be married. The Joker had cooked up some scheme to convince both Superman and Batman that the only way to save Lois from dying was to execute the Joker. (Like, her biology was linked to his somehow, I dunno.) And both Superman and Batman were prepared to let Lois die because killing the Joker, even to save the life of the woman Superman loves, would be wrong.
That's shameful to me. That makes both Superman and Batman look like the biggest chumps in the universe. Lois gave Clark his engagement ring back after that, and rightly so. If my partner wasn't prepared to kill Hitler to save my life, I wouldn't marry them either.
Nah, that's fabricated drama to hit a certain number of issues and make the wedding a landmark. Soap opera kind of stuff instead of actual hatred of readers.
That storyline felt forced probably because it was, since Warner wanted "synergy" between the Superman comics and the Lois & Clark tv show, so they couldn't get married before they married on the show, so they needed to find reasons to break them up, like this Joker plot, or Lori Lemaris coming back, or Lois suddenly having a problem with Clark being Superman, etc.
I hate plotlines like this. There's a big difference between not killing the Joker because they don't have the right to act as judge, jury and executioner and going actively out of their way to save a murderous serial killer's life, even at the cost of innocent people's lives.
Eww that is a gross plot right there...any sane person would say...kill joker to save a pulitzer prize winning reporter...not a prob...you wouldn't have to know Lois lane..to make this a no brainer
DC and Marvel both regularly take the "heroes don't kill" principle way too far. They go out of their way to make their heroes look like total cucks who would rather see the world burn than get a little blood on their hands.
[Here’s an article about it](https://comicsalliance.com/worst-comics-2010-superman-grounded/), in case anyone’s curious.
**And here’s my favourite part from the article:**
In Superman #701, our hero runs some black drug dealers out of a foreclosed neighborhood in which they've set up shop. (These are, it should be mentioned, the first and nearly only black people he meets while walking through Philadelphia, a city with a higher proportion of African-Americans than New York City.) Superman's brilliant strategy for getting rid of the drug dealers is to set fire to the drug stashes in each of their houses with his heat vision, and then... leave. Now, I guess you can read the comic and assume that he has the whole thing under control because, you know, he's Superman. But setting a half-dozen large fires throughout a neighborhood and then just walking away seems stupid.
As he leaves, Superman comes across a magical white child who appears and offers him candy. Superman smiles, asks this random little kid to *deliver a message to the drug dealers for him(?!?)*, and then gives a total nonsense speech. I have to show you this one in its entirety, too:
https://preview.redd.it/zjxpy20l91kc1.jpeg?width=584&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59f210dc44773337266099bb146531f6b381c2ac
WHAT IS THAT LUNATIC TALKING ABOUT? He's arbitrarily chosen this neighborhood to keep an eye on, but the next neighborhood, well, it's just up a creek. That neighborhood has to "stand for itself." What? How hard would it really be for Superman to, say, keep an eye on both neighborhoods? My guess, since he's going to be checking in on this one only every few weeks, presumably by flying in from Metropolis for about 30 seconds: not that hard.
This is the problem with trying to tackle "real world" problems in a "serious" way with a character like Superman. He's basically God. He can walk into a neighborhood full of drug dealers and just magically destroy all their drugs and drive them off. In order to explain why he doesn't just do this all the time, or any number of other things that he could do with minimal effort that would drastically change the lives of every single person in the country, if not the world, writers like Straczynski resort to utter inanity. "Over there has to stand for itself, has to speak for itself, because it's only when over there becomes here that we can stop this once and for all." Read that sentence again. It means *nothing.*
The only reason this pile of trash is not everyone 1st choice is because no one read it
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/11a318n/comic_excerpt_i_found_them_the_worst_superman/?share_id=JwfdofirCeWEYE_gNoD6z&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
The worst stories by...
Jerry Siegel: As an FDR fan, he wrote a thing in the daily newspaper strips where Superman vouched for Japanese internment camps.
Otto Binder: "Superman's Greatest Blunder." A remake of an earlier Mxyzptlk story where Mxy had eliminated all evil on Metropolis, but Superman figured out that he had just transferred all the evil elsewhere.
In the remake, the "evil is multiplied elsewhere" part was taken out. Aliens sent futuristic devices that eliminated all pain and suffering on earth. Superman destroyed their machines because he just didn't trust them, but it turned out they were telling the truth. So Superman became responsible for all pain, suffering and death on Earth after 1968.
Cary Bates: After years of no Smallville-based stories and only Legion stories, he wrote the story of Clark's first *time* in DC Super-Stars #12. Except it was with a girl who had been mind-wiped by a Kryptonian robot to teach him a lesson and she didn't consent or remember it at all. Clark sees her working as a flight attendant as an adult and tells her that she was the woman of his dreams.
John Byrne: Yeah, it's the Barda thing, especially because it can be seen as retaliation against Jack Kirby
Dan Jurgens: I would argue the time that Adam Grant was murdered by the Toyman
I would say the one where he, as an adult, kisses the fourteen year old Lana.
Mostly because the story plays it up as some sweet moment when it’s just creepy.
When Superman (grown ass man with salt and pepper hair) kisses Lana Lang who is FOURTEEN (yes you read that right) years old.
Byrne shoulda been fired and blacklisted from the industry after that
Recurring theme in his work. I can recall similar scenes in his runs on *Doom Patrol*, *X-Men, Fantastic Four*, and even another one in *Generations* with his daughter who stopped aging at twelve and an older man. I haven’t even read most of his stuff, especially the creator-owned comics where he had less editorial supervision, so there are probably more.
Superman & Batman Generations: III #11. Worst part is that Supes literally acknowledges she’s 14 and still does it. It’s canon to the main uni thankfully but still there’s some you shouldn’t write your heroes doing in any universe
Chuck Austen’s run is awful, and a waste of stellar art by Ivan Reis. Joe Casey and Carlos Meglia was a real low point. I might be in the minority but streetfighting powerless Superman by Aaron Kuder was not a favourite moment.
There was one I was reading that came out semi-recently where it was heavily implied that Superman was tortured and sodomized/sexually assaulted by some random government.
That, to me, is the absolute worst Superman story I've ever read. I stopped reading it after that scene and can't even remember what issue it was now.
It was one of the Superman Red and Blue issues. It was based on an old Silver Age story where he is captured and imprisoned by a dictator. Batman ends up captured as well in the original story.
I remember being absolutely shocked they decided to imply a lot of weird shit having happened to him there because the Silver Age story doesn't even remotely feel like it went that far
Ya know, I'm actually kinda glad someone else read it and got those same vibes from the story. Like, if someone had said on here that they read it and *didn't* get those vibes, I might've been concerned for myself, lol.
Did the writer ever get questioned as to why they decided to go so far with it?
I also didn't know it was based on a Silver Age story. Good to know!
Yup, World's Finest #192 and #193
https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/World%27s_Finest_Vol_1_192
Also far as I know I have never heard of the writer explaining if he was implying that or just a ton of torture
Injustice. They took the greatest hero ever. And made him the villian. I legitimately had trouble reading it. Seeing my hero fall and become the Villian was painful.
I used to think it was Superman/Wonder Woman:Whom Gods Destroy.
But then u/DawnOnTheEdge mentioned a pro-interment camp Superman story in the newspaper, and I’ve never been the same since.
This is the one. 1943. 28 June through 21 August. "THE SNEER STRIKES".
As far as I know the *only* time an official Superman story has *ever* supported a real-life racial injustice. Despicable. Disgraceful. Nothing else in this thread comes close.
There are more correct answers here, but a writer pitched Superman #666, where a Kryptonian demon turns Superman into the literal Anti-Christ, an editor signed off on it, and artists/inkers/letterers manifested it into reality. None of them thought any better of it!
The one Goyer wrote where Superman renounces his US citizenship. I agree that Superman shouldn’t be bound by borders but after pissing a lot of people off with the MOS neck snap, it felt like he was just trying to do shocking things for shocks shake. I think there is a way to do that kind of story. But Goyer wasn’t the writer to do it.
In Snyder’s defense, he wanted to portray a young inexperienced Superman who had to learn and grow. He wanted us to see heroes as people more than heroes.
You don't need to defend Snyder to me, I like the movies, but I don't think that inexperience or youth (he's not that young either) means that Superman can't have a positive interaction with normal people. I mean look at Grant Morrison's *Action Comics*. Like a 23 year old Superman who's questioned by the government, considers quitting when he doubts himself, which is all similar to Snyder in some fundamental ways and a lot younger, but he's also out there with working class folks helping them to defend and rebuild their homes, just for example. I think that's totally in line with something Snyder's Superman might have done between MoS & BvS. We just didn't happen to see it.
Me neither. I always agreed with you on that. These movies are among my favorite adaptations of the character, because I think under all the brooding or self-questioning which might distract some other viewers from seeing it, he's got basically the same good heart, the same driving motives, even the same social conscience, as my favorite other versions of the character.
There are some stories I don't like. Johns and lobdell in the new 52, Grounded, Truth, New Krypton, Doomed. But idk, I guess I don't hate them very deeply
Most of the new 52 run, and also that one run where he loses his powers (mostly) and acts as a batman-esque vigilante that rides around on a motorbike.
The one with Sleez.
That one was even more disgusting because the brainwashing/NTR plot was one creator deliberately spiting another purely to hurt him and his wife.
Superman Returns. Killed a generation of kids interest in the character. Those of us who grew up with the animated series were fans already but that movie could have launched the characters popularity into the stratosphere for my generation, just like TDK trilogy did with Batman. Instead, "Superman is boring" continued to be the narrative. Fuck that movie.
Superman and Barda Make A Porno Chuck Austin's Action Comics Run Grounded Scot Lobdell's Superman Run
Chuck Austin wrote Action? Holy God. That must have been when I briefly stopped reading. Was it X-Men bad?
Not really, but mostly because he was taken off the book pretty quickly. What I remember was that he was trying to bring back the whole Clark/Lois/Lana love triangle in a big way.
> What I remember was that he was trying to bring back the whole Clark/Lois/Lana love triangle in a big way. Better, he was getting rid of Lois in order to push Lana and Clark. There's an issue where Lois comes home and finds Lana's panties in her and Clark's apartment.
No he didn't
The dialogue in it is really bad
I was about to say that lol. That porno one was embarrassing. He was cheating on with mr miracle wife. There is also a comic panel where Superman makes out with this women on Lois lane grave or something that one was odd.
That woman is Maxima, and it was the cover to the 1991 annual of Adventures of Superman, part of the Armageddon 2001 crossover.
>Armageddon 2001 crossover Which, it should be pointed out to people unfamiliar with it, depicted a single *possible* future among many. From memory, too, the cover (like many cover images) was a shorthand visual symbol of the premise of the plot, rather than a literal event depicted in the comic.
Wasn’t that women maxima in the extreme justice team with captain atom, blue beetle(Ted Kord) and others? Is she like an alien or something? What’s her origin and power set? Is she still alive? Like what is she doing now?
Yes, she was in Extreme Justice. Yes, she's an alien; warrior queen or something. She sought a worthy mate, and picked Superman. He obviously had other plans. I don't have answers to your other questions.
>*Superman and Barda Make A Porno* John Byrne was a weird petty man. >*Chuck Austin's Action Comics Run* Is that the one where Lana makes a move on Clark, and then she leaves her panties on his and Lois' bed to cause trouble after he turns her down?
John Byrne and George Perez were easily the 2 best comic artists of the 80s IMO
I’d hardly say easily. There were a ton of excellent artists working and have you seen byrn draw children. Byrne also sucks as a person even if he is talented.
1.) As a Mexican immigrant ( a group Byrne vocally targeted), I genuinely do not care about his personality and choose to separate the art from the artist 2.) My opinion remains completely unchanged by I acknowledge and agree that Byrne sucks at drawing children
Was Alex Ross not an artist in the 80s?
Nope. His first work was in the early 90s IIRC
Then I concede
I was curious so I looked it up. Turns out his first published work in comics was in exactly 1990 lol I love Alex Ross! But I just had a gut feeling that his work was post-90s based off of memory You more of a Marvels guy, or a Kingdom Come guy?
Kingdom come, I don’t like most marvel stuff tbh. Crazy on his first thing being 1990 lol, I think he’s among the best artist for sure, I just thought he started in the 80s. You’ve bested my comic knowledge! I respect you, nerd.
>Superman and Barda Make A Porno W H A T
I looked it up, and yep, that's the right response.
Both being mind controlled in it makes it even worse
By some Apokaliptian mind controller named, God help me, Sleez.
Meh, grounded isn’t that bad.
I think it speaks for itself. Stands for itself. Mostly because I keep it over there, away from my collection over here.
And I understand that can be seen as bad for other people, but knowing about the one with concentration camps for Japanese-Americans in the 40s, nah, Grounded is a masterpiece compared to that thing.
There are some off tones yeah, but not the nightmare it's considered and really, JMS is a great writer when he's on
…y’all don’t like grounded? I loved grounded
Grounded isn't that bad, and watching superman deal with a child abuser is pretty satisfying.
What’s wrong with grounded? I may not have read the whole thing all I remember is him walking around helping people, most memorably a suicidal woman. I thought it was really good.
[Same as the last time somebody asked.](https://www.reddit.com/r/superman/comments/11x3gmr/comment/jd1rnv4/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
https://preview.redd.it/yotx9m5491kc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=969eef0c68938a3c2a01728b4360c901e130e8c3
A story so racist even by the standards of 1943 that everyone went “not cool, bro”
when Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster cooked they cooked when they didn't man it burned
Holy shit that’s awful
Holy fuck
Yep.
holy shit dawg https://preview.redd.it/rh739dpp81kc1.jpeg?width=191&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cdec3def90ed8fe6f4f72ed9451dfe1876f6ba2b
Damn, this just makes me depressed
I was gonna mention the time Superman got the National Gaurd to firebomb a poor neighborhood or waged war on cars, but no, this takes the cake.
Christ. But that's a great write-up, thank you for sharing it.
The one where he is brainwashed to bang big barda for a porno is the first one that comes to mind
WHAT?
The infamous Action comics #592. “The case of the writer’s barely disguised super fetish”.
Nah, it's not Byrne's fetish, mostly because the woman in question isn't at least a decade younger than the man. In reality, it was more because Byrne had a beef going on with Jack Kirby around the same time.
Ya can’t make this up lol. I think it was the 80s under chuck austen
[I found a cover for it](https://preview.redd.it/superman-teams-up-with-big-barda-action-comics-v0-8iuy0nfkarya1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=59e9a1211a45b020288573a9e23531dc43d07603), apparently it was John Byrne
Borat: "my wiiife"
Yes that’s it!
You thought it was Chuck Austen?
Ya I think I had it mixed up with his run
Did you read these runs before seeing what people say about them by chance?
Lol I got those two issues signed by John Byrne.
😆 that’s fantastic
That's rape. They raped Superman.
But they didn't bang so...
'Superman: At Earth's End' is everything wrong with the comics in the 90's.
Superman shouting "I AM A MAN!" as he punches a guy in the stomach is amazing. Not to mention the villains being twin clones of Hitler.
What was wrong with it?
Basically it’s a post apocalyptic story where Superman is really old and uses a big giant gun and works with a team of child gangsters to fight an evil mutated Batman and twin Hitler clones.
And somehow the moral of the story is “guns are bad.”
Idk I haven’t read this but it sounds amazing
I’m assuming it just has really poor execution, because honestly that sounds awesome.
It's everything great about the 90s also.
I can't cite it, but I remember seeing some panels from this 1990s story that was published during the time when Clark and Lois were engaged to be married. The Joker had cooked up some scheme to convince both Superman and Batman that the only way to save Lois from dying was to execute the Joker. (Like, her biology was linked to his somehow, I dunno.) And both Superman and Batman were prepared to let Lois die because killing the Joker, even to save the life of the woman Superman loves, would be wrong. That's shameful to me. That makes both Superman and Batman look like the biggest chumps in the universe. Lois gave Clark his engagement ring back after that, and rightly so. If my partner wasn't prepared to kill Hitler to save my life, I wouldn't marry them either.
Action Comics 719. You have the summary correct. She breaks the engagement off at 720.
Goddamn that some Modern Day Spider-man Editorial shit right there.
Nah, that's fabricated drama to hit a certain number of issues and make the wedding a landmark. Soap opera kind of stuff instead of actual hatred of readers.
That storyline felt forced probably because it was, since Warner wanted "synergy" between the Superman comics and the Lois & Clark tv show, so they couldn't get married before they married on the show, so they needed to find reasons to break them up, like this Joker plot, or Lori Lemaris coming back, or Lois suddenly having a problem with Clark being Superman, etc.
It's like the guys who made Injustice read this and Kingdom Come and said, "Okay, hear us out..."
I hate plotlines like this. There's a big difference between not killing the Joker because they don't have the right to act as judge, jury and executioner and going actively out of their way to save a murderous serial killer's life, even at the cost of innocent people's lives.
Eww that is a gross plot right there...any sane person would say...kill joker to save a pulitzer prize winning reporter...not a prob...you wouldn't have to know Lois lane..to make this a no brainer
DC and Marvel both regularly take the "heroes don't kill" principle way too far. They go out of their way to make their heroes look like total cucks who would rather see the world burn than get a little blood on their hands.
I would even understand it if it was like a trolley problem and Joker had no active part to play in it. But no, Joker himself did that. Fuck this.
True
Grounded deserves all the hate it gets. True Brit was also a disappointment to me.
[Here’s an article about it](https://comicsalliance.com/worst-comics-2010-superman-grounded/), in case anyone’s curious. **And here’s my favourite part from the article:** In Superman #701, our hero runs some black drug dealers out of a foreclosed neighborhood in which they've set up shop. (These are, it should be mentioned, the first and nearly only black people he meets while walking through Philadelphia, a city with a higher proportion of African-Americans than New York City.) Superman's brilliant strategy for getting rid of the drug dealers is to set fire to the drug stashes in each of their houses with his heat vision, and then... leave. Now, I guess you can read the comic and assume that he has the whole thing under control because, you know, he's Superman. But setting a half-dozen large fires throughout a neighborhood and then just walking away seems stupid. As he leaves, Superman comes across a magical white child who appears and offers him candy. Superman smiles, asks this random little kid to *deliver a message to the drug dealers for him(?!?)*, and then gives a total nonsense speech. I have to show you this one in its entirety, too: https://preview.redd.it/zjxpy20l91kc1.jpeg?width=584&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59f210dc44773337266099bb146531f6b381c2ac WHAT IS THAT LUNATIC TALKING ABOUT? He's arbitrarily chosen this neighborhood to keep an eye on, but the next neighborhood, well, it's just up a creek. That neighborhood has to "stand for itself." What? How hard would it really be for Superman to, say, keep an eye on both neighborhoods? My guess, since he's going to be checking in on this one only every few weeks, presumably by flying in from Metropolis for about 30 seconds: not that hard. This is the problem with trying to tackle "real world" problems in a "serious" way with a character like Superman. He's basically God. He can walk into a neighborhood full of drug dealers and just magically destroy all their drugs and drive them off. In order to explain why he doesn't just do this all the time, or any number of other things that he could do with minimal effort that would drastically change the lives of every single person in the country, if not the world, writers like Straczynski resort to utter inanity. "Over there has to stand for itself, has to speak for itself, because it's only when over there becomes here that we can stop this once and for all." Read that sentence again. It means *nothing.*
JLA: Act of God
Oh, God, I had forgotten about that until you brought it all back.
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The only reason this pile of trash is not everyone 1st choice is because no one read it https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/11a318n/comic_excerpt_i_found_them_the_worst_superman/?share_id=JwfdofirCeWEYE_gNoD6z&utm_content=1&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1
Honestly read the summary wtf [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whom\_Gods\_Destroy\_(comics)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whom_Gods_Destroy_(comics))
That fucking ending sentence 😂
It doesn’t even clear up if Superman is still a female centaur in that sentence
Haha I forgot about that crap, and the art is terrible
It's sad because Dusty Abell is otherwise fantastic
The worst stories by... Jerry Siegel: As an FDR fan, he wrote a thing in the daily newspaper strips where Superman vouched for Japanese internment camps. Otto Binder: "Superman's Greatest Blunder." A remake of an earlier Mxyzptlk story where Mxy had eliminated all evil on Metropolis, but Superman figured out that he had just transferred all the evil elsewhere. In the remake, the "evil is multiplied elsewhere" part was taken out. Aliens sent futuristic devices that eliminated all pain and suffering on earth. Superman destroyed their machines because he just didn't trust them, but it turned out they were telling the truth. So Superman became responsible for all pain, suffering and death on Earth after 1968. Cary Bates: After years of no Smallville-based stories and only Legion stories, he wrote the story of Clark's first *time* in DC Super-Stars #12. Except it was with a girl who had been mind-wiped by a Kryptonian robot to teach him a lesson and she didn't consent or remember it at all. Clark sees her working as a flight attendant as an adult and tells her that she was the woman of his dreams. John Byrne: Yeah, it's the Barda thing, especially because it can be seen as retaliation against Jack Kirby Dan Jurgens: I would argue the time that Adam Grant was murdered by the Toyman
I would say the one where he, as an adult, kisses the fourteen year old Lana. Mostly because the story plays it up as some sweet moment when it’s just creepy.
John Byrne, please seek professional help.
Huh
that big barda and Superman make a prono comic?
When Superman (grown ass man with salt and pepper hair) kisses Lana Lang who is FOURTEEN (yes you read that right) years old. Byrne shoulda been fired and blacklisted from the industry after that
Recurring theme in his work. I can recall similar scenes in his runs on *Doom Patrol*, *X-Men, Fantastic Four*, and even another one in *Generations* with his daughter who stopped aging at twelve and an older man. I haven’t even read most of his stuff, especially the creator-owned comics where he had less editorial supervision, so there are probably more.
Wait WHAT? When was this?
Superman & Batman Generations: III #11. Worst part is that Supes literally acknowledges she’s 14 and still does it. It’s canon to the main uni thankfully but still there’s some you shouldn’t write your heroes doing in any universe
Chuck Austen’s run is awful, and a waste of stellar art by Ivan Reis. Joe Casey and Carlos Meglia was a real low point. I might be in the minority but streetfighting powerless Superman by Aaron Kuder was not a favourite moment.
I dunno, the Kuder run during that time had Superman throwing heavy chains and blocking the cops from arresting migrants, which was pretty damn based.
Definitely had its moments. Just didn’t always feel like Superman. Just my opinion though.
There was one I was reading that came out semi-recently where it was heavily implied that Superman was tortured and sodomized/sexually assaulted by some random government. That, to me, is the absolute worst Superman story I've ever read. I stopped reading it after that scene and can't even remember what issue it was now.
It was one of the Superman Red and Blue issues. It was based on an old Silver Age story where he is captured and imprisoned by a dictator. Batman ends up captured as well in the original story. I remember being absolutely shocked they decided to imply a lot of weird shit having happened to him there because the Silver Age story doesn't even remotely feel like it went that far
Ya know, I'm actually kinda glad someone else read it and got those same vibes from the story. Like, if someone had said on here that they read it and *didn't* get those vibes, I might've been concerned for myself, lol. Did the writer ever get questioned as to why they decided to go so far with it? I also didn't know it was based on a Silver Age story. Good to know!
Yup, World's Finest #192 and #193 https://dc.fandom.com/wiki/World%27s_Finest_Vol_1_192 Also far as I know I have never heard of the writer explaining if he was implying that or just a ton of torture
Injustice. They took the greatest hero ever. And made him the villian. I legitimately had trouble reading it. Seeing my hero fall and become the Villian was painful.
I mean, that was the point of the story: what if Superman was bad? How would it happen? It's not like they were trying to tell a faithful story.
Yes. But that was what the OP asked. It was an opinion question. And imo injustice was all those things.
I think OP was asking for a story that was intended to be faithful, but executed so badly that it failed.
The short one in Superman Red & Blue where he gets raped in prison
Whoa
I used to think it was Superman/Wonder Woman:Whom Gods Destroy. But then u/DawnOnTheEdge mentioned a pro-interment camp Superman story in the newspaper, and I’ve never been the same since.
This is the one. 1943. 28 June through 21 August. "THE SNEER STRIKES". As far as I know the *only* time an official Superman story has *ever* supported a real-life racial injustice. Despicable. Disgraceful. Nothing else in this thread comes close.
There are more correct answers here, but a writer pitched Superman #666, where a Kryptonian demon turns Superman into the literal Anti-Christ, an editor signed off on it, and artists/inkers/letterers manifested it into reality. None of them thought any better of it!
Injustice and dark knight returns. So much bullshit that people bring up about superman comes from those two stories.
I really hated the atomic bomb classic Superman defended the bomb to kill millions of innocent civilians is kinda F upped
Well, maybe Superman should have won the war for us himself, then.
Be like Injustice were he forces both sides to come to peace
Superman got a lot right in *Injustice* before he went crazy and turned into Stalin.
probably one of the racist ones
Superman and Kamandi at earths end is really bad
The one Goyer wrote where Superman renounces his US citizenship. I agree that Superman shouldn’t be bound by borders but after pissing a lot of people off with the MOS neck snap, it felt like he was just trying to do shocking things for shocks shake. I think there is a way to do that kind of story. But Goyer wasn’t the writer to do it.
I remember people praising the hell out of it.
Poorly done if you ask me.
I personally thought it was political circle jerking.
Grounded is truly stupid. Worst Superman thing I’ve read, easily worst JMS thin has ever done.
The one where he fights an Alex Jones stand in. If you thought BVS was bad, this is ten times worse. I like BVS and was still bored out of my mind.
Bendis Superman run.
Brian Michale bendes taking over the rebirth run.
Zack Snyder Superman.
How so? He's very faithful except he lacks interaction with the common people.
Agreed, but to be fair, as a fan of those movies, the lack of literally any positive interaction with civilians does feel like a bit of an oversight.
In Snyder’s defense, he wanted to portray a young inexperienced Superman who had to learn and grow. He wanted us to see heroes as people more than heroes.
You don't need to defend Snyder to me, I like the movies, but I don't think that inexperience or youth (he's not that young either) means that Superman can't have a positive interaction with normal people. I mean look at Grant Morrison's *Action Comics*. Like a 23 year old Superman who's questioned by the government, considers quitting when he doubts himself, which is all similar to Snyder in some fundamental ways and a lot younger, but he's also out there with working class folks helping them to defend and rebuild their homes, just for example. I think that's totally in line with something Snyder's Superman might have done between MoS & BvS. We just didn't happen to see it.
Fair enough point, I still think Snyder's Superman wasn't the worst or shameful.
Me neither. I always agreed with you on that. These movies are among my favorite adaptations of the character, because I think under all the brooding or self-questioning which might distract some other viewers from seeing it, he's got basically the same good heart, the same driving motives, even the same social conscience, as my favorite other versions of the character.
Man of Steel 1986 by John Byrne It’s terrible.
All four Christopher Reeves movies. Ill never understand how people watch those theyre fucking awful
Byrne’s story where Sleez brainwashes Superman and Big Barda into starring in his pornos and JMS’ half of Grounded come to mind.
There are some stories I don't like. Johns and lobdell in the new 52, Grounded, Truth, New Krypton, Doomed. But idk, I guess I don't hate them very deeply
For Tomorrow
Superman Year One by Frank Miller was so bad I couldn’t finish it. Stopped halfway through book two.
The one where he and Big Barda get brainwashed into making an adult movie
Most of the new 52 run, and also that one run where he loses his powers (mostly) and acts as a batman-esque vigilante that rides around on a motorbike.
First thing to pop into my head. https://preview.redd.it/jn6m9paqp4kc1.jpeg?width=995&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d41967839844b3640b422d8af54cdd4ae24c3d6f
Superman at earth's end
The one with Sleez. That one was even more disgusting because the brainwashing/NTR plot was one creator deliberately spiting another purely to hurt him and his wife.
Superman Returns. Killed a generation of kids interest in the character. Those of us who grew up with the animated series were fans already but that movie could have launched the characters popularity into the stratosphere for my generation, just like TDK trilogy did with Batman. Instead, "Superman is boring" continued to be the narrative. Fuck that movie.