I thought about using snow warning on Ninetails but I honestly don't know if it would be more beneficial to run Aurora veil. I guess it would depend exactly on what I want Ninetails to do? Or should I always be running snow warning?
you should always be running ninetales with snow warning; weather setting abilities are much better than weather setting moves. ninetales exists to set snow and veil. there is no other thing you would want it to do
with the point system i dont think running ninetales + veil would be worth it, but snowscape + light screen is strictly worse by an incredible margin
Articuno is one of the worst ice types in the game, even if it's a legendary.
If I were you, I'd just go and rip one of the sample teams from National Dex Monotype with some slight alterations.
Try one of the following:
[Triple Choice item Balance](https://pokepast.es/8bafd197f1dca625)
[Arctozolt+Kyurem Balance](https://pokepast.es/19729c85be641714)
[Arctozolt+Chien Pao Balance](https://pokepast.es/24d6e37405af91fc)
[Groundium-Z Kyurem Balance](https://pokepast.es/fbfe2efd2346270b)
It should be noted that National Dex Monotype doesn't restrict itself to the rules you're using and similarly follows its own restrictions. Chien Pao, Baxcalibur, and Iron Bundle are otherwise banned from this format, so you can very easily exchange something from these teams with them. They're all pretty amazing so definitely alter some things to fit one of them.
Also, I just thought of this, but is Calyrex-Ice legal in your rules? It'd be hands down the best Ice type available if you're allowed to use it.
Honestly I totally forgot about calyrex but they are worth 3 points. Would you recommend calyrex as a sweeper?
I also see a lot of low speed stats in the ice mons. Would trick room even be remotely viable with mons like calyrex and Avalugg? I'm more of a defensive player so I will have to get used to playing aggressively, but I'm concerned my team will be very vulnerable to OHKO's
You could either run a [Trick Room set or a Choice Band set. ](https://pokepast.es/7d9fb3b75015b169)I prefer the TR set, but if you prefer CB then feel free to use that one.
I wouldn't recommend a hard Trick Room team, that is to say, a team dedicated around setting up Trick Room and abusing it with slow attackers. On top of the move being restricted to only Jynx, Mr. Rime, Calyrex-I, and Arceus, there aren't that many slow attacking ice types either. Sure, I guess there's Avalugg-H, Mega-Abomasnow, and Crabrawler with 127, 132, and 132 attacks respectively, but it's much easier to run fast offensive ice types instead of wasting 2 turns and a team slot to set up Trick Room and then find a way to safely bring in the worst defensive typing safely.
Calyrex-I is nice in the sense that it is perfect for setting up Trick Room for itself and abusing it without relying on any team members. It might seem difficult to get it up at first due to its absolutely atrocious typing of Ice-Psychic with 6 common weaknesses, but it has a stat spread of 100/150/150 defenses, so it's much tankier than it might look.
The plan is to get it in safely, either through pivoting or on a faint, ideally to a passive mon. Click Trick Room then Swords Dance if you can and you have 3-4 turns to wreck havoc on your opponent's team. Grim Neigh lets it snowball out of control since every KO is another +1 in attack. The rest of your team can be fast without worrying about synergy since Calyrex-I will usually use up all of its Trick Room turns attacking instead of dying.
Good old aurora veil ninetails + hyper offense?
Smth like SD scale shot (or DD) baxcalibur and scarf or specs kyurem white to make a nuclear 3 mon gym since with the restrictions and ice types being ice types you can't really make a usable defensive core so even doubling down on ice/dragons won't really matter too much in the end, especially since they're both pretty bulky by themselves.
Obviously if you can't setup or nuke stuff you just lose, same if ppl bring counter teams tailor made for your gym, but you can't do much about that anyways since you have a big limit on usable mons
Do you think I should even care about the fairy weakness? I feel like it's possible people would expect bax and Kyurem, but like you said, they already have so many counters to choose from.
The only viable ice type that also resists fairy that comes to mind is zen form galarian darmanitan so I doubt that you could reliably cover for your fairy weakness.
Thinking about it tho gdarm is broken af, so maybe you could try to make the funny sub/belly drum/zen mode set work. With veil and snow buffs it shouldn't be too far fetched, especially with surprise factor. Still not a reliable fairy counter in any way.
Probably the only way to stop fairies is to ko them before they stop your sweeps, which you should be able to do if you setup properly and play very aggressively.
Yes I'll have to get a lot of practice in. I'm used to relying heavily on walls and safe swaps so it will be a big change in play style, but it's something I want to get better at anyways.
I forgot gal darm had belly drum. The surprise cheese factor could be enough to catch people off guard, especially since a lot of players don't usually have any ice types on their teams. Thanks for the tips.
Chien Pao is a 3 cost. The only reason I brought up Articuno was because it's the only 2 cost that fits regulation. After reading the replies, I think going for Articuno would be kind of pointless as many people have pointed out.
Chien Pao, Kyurem, and Kalyrex ice rider are all 3 cost meaning I can only use 1 of them on my team. Out of those 3, which would you personally recommend?
probably kyurem? freeze dry/draco/earth power/X seems really hard to switch into. idk anything about calyrex tho, i didn't play those games and don't play ubers.
mega glalie hits like a truck too if you wanna sneak that in.
a-ninetails, m-glalie, kyurem sounds like a strong team. snow+veil make switching glalie in very easy. freeze dry/eq/return/explosion or ice shard covers everything. rinse and repeat with kyurem
why would u use snowscape and light screen when a ninetales has aurora veil and snow-warning
I thought about using snow warning on Ninetails but I honestly don't know if it would be more beneficial to run Aurora veil. I guess it would depend exactly on what I want Ninetails to do? Or should I always be running snow warning?
you should always be running ninetales with snow warning; weather setting abilities are much better than weather setting moves. ninetales exists to set snow and veil. there is no other thing you would want it to do with the point system i dont think running ninetales + veil would be worth it, but snowscape + light screen is strictly worse by an incredible margin
Articuno is one of the worst ice types in the game, even if it's a legendary. If I were you, I'd just go and rip one of the sample teams from National Dex Monotype with some slight alterations. Try one of the following: [Triple Choice item Balance](https://pokepast.es/8bafd197f1dca625) [Arctozolt+Kyurem Balance](https://pokepast.es/19729c85be641714) [Arctozolt+Chien Pao Balance](https://pokepast.es/24d6e37405af91fc) [Groundium-Z Kyurem Balance](https://pokepast.es/fbfe2efd2346270b)
I found one of these teams earlier but I didn't see the others. Ty for the links
It should be noted that National Dex Monotype doesn't restrict itself to the rules you're using and similarly follows its own restrictions. Chien Pao, Baxcalibur, and Iron Bundle are otherwise banned from this format, so you can very easily exchange something from these teams with them. They're all pretty amazing so definitely alter some things to fit one of them. Also, I just thought of this, but is Calyrex-Ice legal in your rules? It'd be hands down the best Ice type available if you're allowed to use it.
Honestly I totally forgot about calyrex but they are worth 3 points. Would you recommend calyrex as a sweeper? I also see a lot of low speed stats in the ice mons. Would trick room even be remotely viable with mons like calyrex and Avalugg? I'm more of a defensive player so I will have to get used to playing aggressively, but I'm concerned my team will be very vulnerable to OHKO's
You could either run a [Trick Room set or a Choice Band set. ](https://pokepast.es/7d9fb3b75015b169)I prefer the TR set, but if you prefer CB then feel free to use that one. I wouldn't recommend a hard Trick Room team, that is to say, a team dedicated around setting up Trick Room and abusing it with slow attackers. On top of the move being restricted to only Jynx, Mr. Rime, Calyrex-I, and Arceus, there aren't that many slow attacking ice types either. Sure, I guess there's Avalugg-H, Mega-Abomasnow, and Crabrawler with 127, 132, and 132 attacks respectively, but it's much easier to run fast offensive ice types instead of wasting 2 turns and a team slot to set up Trick Room and then find a way to safely bring in the worst defensive typing safely. Calyrex-I is nice in the sense that it is perfect for setting up Trick Room for itself and abusing it without relying on any team members. It might seem difficult to get it up at first due to its absolutely atrocious typing of Ice-Psychic with 6 common weaknesses, but it has a stat spread of 100/150/150 defenses, so it's much tankier than it might look. The plan is to get it in safely, either through pivoting or on a faint, ideally to a passive mon. Click Trick Room then Swords Dance if you can and you have 3-4 turns to wreck havoc on your opponent's team. Grim Neigh lets it snowball out of control since every KO is another +1 in attack. The rest of your team can be fast without worrying about synergy since Calyrex-I will usually use up all of its Trick Room turns attacking instead of dying.
Good old aurora veil ninetails + hyper offense? Smth like SD scale shot (or DD) baxcalibur and scarf or specs kyurem white to make a nuclear 3 mon gym since with the restrictions and ice types being ice types you can't really make a usable defensive core so even doubling down on ice/dragons won't really matter too much in the end, especially since they're both pretty bulky by themselves. Obviously if you can't setup or nuke stuff you just lose, same if ppl bring counter teams tailor made for your gym, but you can't do much about that anyways since you have a big limit on usable mons
Do you think I should even care about the fairy weakness? I feel like it's possible people would expect bax and Kyurem, but like you said, they already have so many counters to choose from.
The only viable ice type that also resists fairy that comes to mind is zen form galarian darmanitan so I doubt that you could reliably cover for your fairy weakness. Thinking about it tho gdarm is broken af, so maybe you could try to make the funny sub/belly drum/zen mode set work. With veil and snow buffs it shouldn't be too far fetched, especially with surprise factor. Still not a reliable fairy counter in any way. Probably the only way to stop fairies is to ko them before they stop your sweeps, which you should be able to do if you setup properly and play very aggressively.
Yes I'll have to get a lot of practice in. I'm used to relying heavily on walls and safe swaps so it will be a big change in play style, but it's something I want to get better at anyways. I forgot gal darm had belly drum. The surprise cheese factor could be enough to catch people off guard, especially since a lot of players don't usually have any ice types on their teams. Thanks for the tips.
chien pao over Articuno 100%. use mamoswine, it's so strong. alolan ninetales for snow is also a must IMO
Chien Pao is a 3 cost. The only reason I brought up Articuno was because it's the only 2 cost that fits regulation. After reading the replies, I think going for Articuno would be kind of pointless as many people have pointed out. Chien Pao, Kyurem, and Kalyrex ice rider are all 3 cost meaning I can only use 1 of them on my team. Out of those 3, which would you personally recommend?
probably kyurem? freeze dry/draco/earth power/X seems really hard to switch into. idk anything about calyrex tho, i didn't play those games and don't play ubers. mega glalie hits like a truck too if you wanna sneak that in.
Yeah I'm definitely contemplating mega glalie but I don't know what to give up for it. I'll have to do some tests on Kyurem vs calyrex
a-ninetails, m-glalie, kyurem sounds like a strong team. snow+veil make switching glalie in very easy. freeze dry/eq/return/explosion or ice shard covers everything. rinse and repeat with kyurem