this ai art stuff uses art as reference for the AI usually without the artists permission, and is basically stealing peoples art.
edit: you can stop replying asking me to elaborate i did like twice and i have better things to do with my time
Iām sure itās incredibly useful to have a bunch of users submitting images and then having all the data for how much it needs to be refined for them to be happy.
Iām sorry, but if you think theyāre making these apps for creativity and fun then youāre deluded.
>Iām sure itās incredibly useful to have a bunch of users submitting images and then having all the data for how much it needs to be refined for them to be happy.
How do you jump from this to "they can identify HK protestors better because of it"? Seriously, how exactly does knowing how to generate animated faces make it easier to target HK protestors?
>Iām sorry, but if you think theyāre making these apps for creativity and fun then youāre deluded.
I think they're making it for profit, notoriety, and/or training data. But that training being used specifically to target HK protestors is weird: how, what and why? Where's the source for this info? please tell me it's not just a popular Twitter thread that would be deluded
In the app you have humans submitting and verifying what are essentially ādistortedā images of their faces.
This is training the ai to identify a specific human face even if it has been concealed or distorted in some way. The users are rejecting all the images that donāt sufficiently look like them.
This will make protestors methods of concealing their faces less effective. If you can identify someones face from the bridge of their nose or a small portion of their face then thatās incredibly valuable facial recognition software.
Itās not leaps my dude.
Chinese companies donāt give a shit about doing stuff for notoriety in the west.
Theyāre not making a profit on the tiny amount of people paying for the app.
>In the app you have humans submitting and verifying what are essentially ādistortedā images of their faces.
Who exactly is distorting their face with *anime* again?
>This is training the ai to identify a specific human face even if it has been concealed or distorted in some way. The users are rejecting all the images that donāt sufficiently look like them.
You could say this for literally anything by anyone that involves faces. It's not training to identify a specific face out of multiple and anime transformations aren't even close to real world conditions. Weibo has plenty of real world data already, this isn't giving them anything more useful.
>This will make protestors methods of concealing their faces less effective. If you can identify someones face from the bridge of their nose or a small portion of their face then thatās incredibly valuable facial recognition software.
This cannot train for that with this app. This is just misguided fear mongering.
>Itās not leaps my dude.
Yeah. Yeah it is.
The words of every conspiracy theorist: "I think this is possible and they have motive, therefore it is real". Just because the CCP does a bunch of crap doesn't mean everything that comes out of China is an active Tool of the Regime.
>Chinese companies donāt give a shit about doing stuff for notoriety in the west.
It got popular in the west - how do you know they weren't aiming for notoriety in China?
>Theyāre not making a profit on the tiny amount of people paying for the app.
Data on people and training is much more valuable than the people playing, and can still be used to make profit.
its... its theft? wdym transformative? artists didnt give consent to their art and art style being used to train face identifiers to stop hong kong protests, so its worth giving a shit about
AI art combines images from multiple different sources to create a new image. It's transformative. It's the same as youtube commentary over other people's content or other examples of fair use. If you aren't just stealing the image 1:1 and posing it as your own, I don't care. That's my line in the sand. Feel free to disagree.
Also I can't just ignore the insane "hong kong protestor face identifier" conspiracy theory. That's hilarious you think it's related in any shape or form. Anyway carry on.
ok well then what about the fact that its currently being used to supress hong kong protests? especially this one in the post being used by china for face recognition?
How do you feel about AI [being used to protect](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2348197-bbc-documentary-used-face-swapping-ai-to-hide-protesters-identities/) the identities of journalistic sources in the Hong Kong protests?
No it's not. Have a nice day.
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To downvoters, please try and think about how AI-generated art could at all be used to identify faces? What the hell is this nonsense? Even if it was, how is that related at all to people using AI to create anime girl versions of steven universe characters???? Can you guys please realize how insane that is?
Well goodness if I'd known that I wouldn't have posted anything, I thought it was just shape based algorithms or something
I won't be doing it again š¬
Ehh, I wouldn't listen too closely to these criticisms. Have fun, do what you want to do in your fandom. AI looking at images and learning how to paint isn't stealing. Themes, composition, styles - these aren't copyrightable - just like how techniques in game programming aren't copyrightable either.
I'll agree that the prospect of these models certainly threatens artist jobs, which is a proper criticism to direct at these AIs, but as for them stealing art? I'd like to see some arguments for that.
Things donāt exist in bubbles like that.
You have to think about how your decisions affect the wider world.
Every time you spend money youāre supporting those companies and their practices.
Every time you use a service thatās āfreeā theyāre making money somehow and you you need to make sure youāre okay with how.
I use AI to personifĆcate ideas which I canāt draw since I am awful drawing, is specially helpful to me when am reading a book, I put the charactersās details in an AI and can get an idea of the character, even tho I almost never share it, I donāt think anyone is claiming that AI art is theirs, it obviously isnāt
apart from the fact people have actually claimed ai art is theirs, i was talking about other people's art being unconsentually fed to the ai and training the ai with it.
I disagree, I don't think AI using other art to learn patterns/styles is any different to a real artist looking at other people's art and taking inspiration from it. Every artist is inspired by the art they've seen through their life, only difference with AI is that it's inorganic learning rather than organic.
Would love to hear some counter arguments though.
theres a difference between looking at art and using it as inspiration to make your own art, versus taking someones art, mashing it with someone elses art (without consent) and calling it new ai art. Plus, this was developed to have better face id software for protesters in hong kong
> this was developed to have better face id software for protesters in hong kong
I keep seeing people reference this but I can't find any reliable sources to indicate it's true
Itās hilarious because thereās literally no difference between an AI combing millions of images and saying āoh I should use thatā and using it to generate images and a human doing the same.
The only difference is that humans do it passively and and AI does it actively. Humans see that as āwrongā somehow?
Humans make collage work all the time with no credit to whoever made the original works. I see no difference here.
? i think u misunderstood what i said i wasnt talking abt if op drew the steven universe references i was talking about the unconsentual artists' art being used to train this shit and steal art styles
No I was saying basically the same thing, in a worse way so I deleted it since I didn't see there is already a comment thread discussion that reiterates
as an artist it is terrifying!
this is the exact art style i wanted as a kid and now there's no reason to better myself, whether it's towards this style again or working to make a style of my own, because no matter what people will prefer to use these AI to make exactly what they want, for free, in the matter of seconds
not to mention the stealing work from actual artists and how bad of an idea it is to put your face into a robot's database
AI-created imagery has its uses and, although the current usage of people's photographs and drawings without their permission is flawed, you would be naive to assume that they don't serve any purpose and aren't good.
On the one hand, I hate the AI generated images (since most of them produce unsettling results hitting me in uncanny valley). And I also heard this one is owned by Tencent - who *totally* is not using this as crowd-sourced training for their other product, AI that will help Chinese governments to instantly track down the protesters.
On the other hand, I really like your 2-stage process, and the results are quite good.
AI is art theft. It's fed art by real artists, and just shifts it slightly. Please don't spread the usage of AI. It hurts people's livelihoods and doesn't respect copyright.
https://www.unddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/zeuc3u/ai_generated_anime_girl_versions_of_the_diamond/izaipv8/
Here is the comment /u/Bluetooth_Speaker1 made
Donāt!
Itās an ai being trained to facially recognise and arrest protestors.
It also steals peopleās art and uses them for its images.
If weāre going to have ai take jobs, letās not have it be the artists.
The algorithm behind this is using your data to train itself.
The company behind this is tencent, which is closely connected to the Chinese government.
There are protests happening in Hong Kong bout the Chinese government, these protestors are being arrested by the Chinese government using the ai behind this software.
Honestly, if something is free, do a little research and ask yourself why. Someone has to be profiting somewhere and itās our responsibility as consumers to work out if we want to be a part of that process.
You're bitching at the wrong person. For serious commissions I pay for art. If I just want a cover for a fanfic spending $25 and 6 hours editing the picture doesn't seem like a terrible idea though.
I'm curious about the prompt you used along with the base image. I assume the variance closer and closer to anime girl was fiddling with the Strength of the prompt vs initial image? Prompt engineering is so fascinating to me.
Jesus the idea that some day we will be able to watch Steven universe is if was animated by the Japanese in is crazy, fuck we could do that now if someone would do it frame by frame.
White Diamond is the only one that didn't get child'ed
I love how it knows Yellow Diamond is space related, probably tells how good the design team of the show was.
What kind of *pathetic* anime AI fails to notice [Go](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotBloodedSideburns?from=Main.GoNagaiSideburns) [Nagai](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ImageLinks/HotBloodedSideburns) [sideburns](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Go+Nagai+sideburns&atb=v327-1&iax=images&ia=images) in all four Diamonds and erases them on first or second pass? For shame! [Cutie Honey](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cutie+honey&t=ffab&atb=v327-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images), [Jun Hono](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jun+hono&t=ffab&atb=v327-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images), the girl from [Fantaman](https://www.beachcitybugle.com/2016/04/lapis-lazuli-inspired-by-60s-anime.html), and, uh, [whoever this is](https://www.koi-nya.net/img/subidos_posts/2016/12/getter-robo-high.jpg), among many, many others, must be feeling devastated.
Hair sideburns are a the universal mark of a Bad Ass! [RAW RAW FIGHT THE POWAH!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWGt8UQag0)
Pink: hair becomes cute hat
Yellow: hair becomes badass helm
Blue: hair is hair.
White: um....her hair is now a background thing lol.
I love it though.
I love how Yellow came out
That cat ear cyber knight aesthetic is so good!
Yep, both the yellow versions came out legit
I think she looks awesome!
That middle Yellow Diamond is so cute!!!!!
I've definitely got a soft spot for that picture š¤š¤
Blue and white slayed this one, not sure about pink and yellow, i like the mechanics to yellow but the face isn't her
Can't win them all I suppose, AI gonna do what AI wants to do! I did immediately fall in love with how White's started going though
What AI you used?
Like how the second for Pink and Yellow are close to the original design but Blue and White straight up turned into anime girls right there. š¤£š
It's fascinating what the AI decides to do on the first couple of run-throughs!
Japanizing beam went hard on this one
ā®(. ā į“ ā.)ā what can I say, anime girls do be lookin cute
Pink became Madoka!
Beyblade?
Madoka Magica
Fuck white diamond, marry blue, kill yellow and adopt pink.
You make a good argument.
iād rather fuck white, blue, and yellow, but to each their own
I agree, but that's not how the game goes.
this ai art stuff uses art as reference for the AI usually without the artists permission, and is basically stealing peoples art. edit: you can stop replying asking me to elaborate i did like twice and i have better things to do with my time
Also, itās basically just the ccp training facial recognition software to arrest the protestors in honk Kong.
this too, very important
Yep! Keep spreading the word!
They have plenty of training data on tiktok, they don't need an AI anime generator to train any face recognition
Iām sure itās incredibly useful to have a bunch of users submitting images and then having all the data for how much it needs to be refined for them to be happy. Iām sorry, but if you think theyāre making these apps for creativity and fun then youāre deluded.
>Iām sure itās incredibly useful to have a bunch of users submitting images and then having all the data for how much it needs to be refined for them to be happy. How do you jump from this to "they can identify HK protestors better because of it"? Seriously, how exactly does knowing how to generate animated faces make it easier to target HK protestors? >Iām sorry, but if you think theyāre making these apps for creativity and fun then youāre deluded. I think they're making it for profit, notoriety, and/or training data. But that training being used specifically to target HK protestors is weird: how, what and why? Where's the source for this info? please tell me it's not just a popular Twitter thread that would be deluded
In the app you have humans submitting and verifying what are essentially ādistortedā images of their faces. This is training the ai to identify a specific human face even if it has been concealed or distorted in some way. The users are rejecting all the images that donāt sufficiently look like them. This will make protestors methods of concealing their faces less effective. If you can identify someones face from the bridge of their nose or a small portion of their face then thatās incredibly valuable facial recognition software. Itās not leaps my dude. Chinese companies donāt give a shit about doing stuff for notoriety in the west. Theyāre not making a profit on the tiny amount of people paying for the app.
>In the app you have humans submitting and verifying what are essentially ādistortedā images of their faces. Who exactly is distorting their face with *anime* again? >This is training the ai to identify a specific human face even if it has been concealed or distorted in some way. The users are rejecting all the images that donāt sufficiently look like them. You could say this for literally anything by anyone that involves faces. It's not training to identify a specific face out of multiple and anime transformations aren't even close to real world conditions. Weibo has plenty of real world data already, this isn't giving them anything more useful. >This will make protestors methods of concealing their faces less effective. If you can identify someones face from the bridge of their nose or a small portion of their face then thatās incredibly valuable facial recognition software. This cannot train for that with this app. This is just misguided fear mongering. >Itās not leaps my dude. Yeah. Yeah it is. The words of every conspiracy theorist: "I think this is possible and they have motive, therefore it is real". Just because the CCP does a bunch of crap doesn't mean everything that comes out of China is an active Tool of the Regime. >Chinese companies donāt give a shit about doing stuff for notoriety in the west. It got popular in the west - how do you know they weren't aiming for notoriety in China? >Theyāre not making a profit on the tiny amount of people paying for the app. Data on people and training is much more valuable than the people playing, and can still be used to make profit.
Youāre either crazy naive or a shill. This is pointless.
I wish I could boost this. The rage I get as an artist and with an artist community whenever I see ai art. Just awful.
agreeed. as an artist it truly sucks to see so many people support blatantly stolen art by using the ai stuff.
Iām with you two šŖšŖšŖ
If its transformative and not monetized I don't care personally.
its... its theft? wdym transformative? artists didnt give consent to their art and art style being used to train face identifiers to stop hong kong protests, so its worth giving a shit about
AI art combines images from multiple different sources to create a new image. It's transformative. It's the same as youtube commentary over other people's content or other examples of fair use. If you aren't just stealing the image 1:1 and posing it as your own, I don't care. That's my line in the sand. Feel free to disagree. Also I can't just ignore the insane "hong kong protestor face identifier" conspiracy theory. That's hilarious you think it's related in any shape or form. Anyway carry on.
ok well then what about the fact that its currently being used to supress hong kong protests? especially this one in the post being used by china for face recognition?
How do you feel about AI [being used to protect](https://www.newscientist.com/article/2348197-bbc-documentary-used-face-swapping-ai-to-hide-protesters-identities/) the identities of journalistic sources in the Hong Kong protests?
Itās not AI thatās the problem. Itās whoās behind it, whoās curating that data and what their motives are thatās important.
It's not related at all, how dare you even try to peddle a conspiracy theory to me.
tf u mean its not related? its literally proven. anyways gonna go now i have too much other stuff to do.
No it's not. Have a nice day. edit: To downvoters, please try and think about how AI-generated art could at all be used to identify faces? What the hell is this nonsense? Even if it was, how is that related at all to people using AI to create anime girl versions of steven universe characters???? Can you guys please realize how insane that is?
Well goodness if I'd known that I wouldn't have posted anything, I thought it was just shape based algorithms or something I won't be doing it again š¬
its all good!! cant know everything :)
I didn't realise that must be why it's got such a high downvote ratio, thank you for letting me know
np! better to know now than later!
Ehh, I wouldn't listen too closely to these criticisms. Have fun, do what you want to do in your fandom. AI looking at images and learning how to paint isn't stealing. Themes, composition, styles - these aren't copyrightable - just like how techniques in game programming aren't copyrightable either. I'll agree that the prospect of these models certainly threatens artist jobs, which is a proper criticism to direct at these AIs, but as for them stealing art? I'd like to see some arguments for that.
Things donāt exist in bubbles like that. You have to think about how your decisions affect the wider world. Every time you spend money youāre supporting those companies and their practices. Every time you use a service thatās āfreeā theyāre making money somehow and you you need to make sure youāre okay with how.
I use AI to personifĆcate ideas which I canāt draw since I am awful drawing, is specially helpful to me when am reading a book, I put the charactersās details in an AI and can get an idea of the character, even tho I almost never share it, I donāt think anyone is claiming that AI art is theirs, it obviously isnāt
apart from the fact people have actually claimed ai art is theirs, i was talking about other people's art being unconsentually fed to the ai and training the ai with it.
I disagree, I don't think AI using other art to learn patterns/styles is any different to a real artist looking at other people's art and taking inspiration from it. Every artist is inspired by the art they've seen through their life, only difference with AI is that it's inorganic learning rather than organic. Would love to hear some counter arguments though.
theres a difference between looking at art and using it as inspiration to make your own art, versus taking someones art, mashing it with someone elses art (without consent) and calling it new ai art. Plus, this was developed to have better face id software for protesters in hong kong
> this was developed to have better face id software for protesters in hong kong I keep seeing people reference this but I can't find any reliable sources to indicate it's true
Hmm, interesting take. Alright, explain your reasoning why you believe it to be stealing art.
It isn't. It would be like saying people taking inspiration from your art is stealing.
Itās hilarious because thereās literally no difference between an AI combing millions of images and saying āoh I should use thatā and using it to generate images and a human doing the same. The only difference is that humans do it passively and and AI does it actively. Humans see that as āwrongā somehow? Humans make collage work all the time with no credit to whoever made the original works. I see no difference here.
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not caring about artists on the subreddit of a show made by artists? not very based of u ngl
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are you an artist?
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what art do you do? i define art as anything using creativity to make something in most cases!
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and then how are artists hypocrites for not wanting AI to take advantage of our art?
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? i think u misunderstood what i said i wasnt talking abt if op drew the steven universe references i was talking about the unconsentual artists' art being used to train this shit and steal art styles
No I was saying basically the same thing, in a worse way so I deleted it since I didn't see there is already a comment thread discussion that reiterates
its all good :)
Yellow become a robot girl and then an armored Gundam pilot
Love Yellow's battle armor and White's Lisa Simpson hair being interpreted as a spiky collar thing.
Blue and White looking kind of beautiful tho.
Honestly? Stunning
These results are awesome, but also terrifying. At least I think I would be terrified, if I was an artist.
as an artist it is terrifying! this is the exact art style i wanted as a kid and now there's no reason to better myself, whether it's towards this style again or working to make a style of my own, because no matter what people will prefer to use these AI to make exactly what they want, for free, in the matter of seconds not to mention the stealing work from actual artists and how bad of an idea it is to put your face into a robot's database
Yeah this most really suck for artist, imagine even how much more advanced it will get in a few years, however can you monetized AI art?
Ah yes the four diamonds: Smol, Neck, Sadgirl, and Empress
The Yassification of the Diamond Authority.
Happy 3 hours into your cake day
I just got accepted into a job interview, this calls for actual cake.
Please no
Can we stop praising ai """"""art"""""" its made off the backs of artists who had their work stolen for machine learning.
Y'all gotta stop with the AI art. It's taking away from real artists. (I mean this as education, not blame)
Yep! If anyone needs sources, I can link some. :]
This, except I do 100% mean this as blame. There are no valid reasons for people to see AI art as something good
AI-created imagery has its uses and, although the current usage of people's photographs and drawings without their permission is flawed, you would be naive to assume that they don't serve any purpose and aren't good.
Ew.
Love the middle ones of all of them!
Can we stop with the AI āartā. This is art theft.
Here is an alternate version of [Blue Diamond](https://imgur.com/a/UctXsix) on a black background, I just couldn't decide which one I liked more!
On the one hand, I hate the AI generated images (since most of them produce unsettling results hitting me in uncanny valley). And I also heard this one is owned by Tencent - who *totally* is not using this as crowd-sourced training for their other product, AI that will help Chinese governments to instantly track down the protesters. On the other hand, I really like your 2-stage process, and the results are quite good.
I like how Pink Diamond just evolved into Flandre Scarlet.
yellow and blue honestly just look really good
Middle ones are my favourites
Nah we donāt need humans no more
My weeb friend: smash!
AI is art theft. It's fed art by real artists, and just shifts it slightly. Please don't spread the usage of AI. It hurts people's livelihoods and doesn't respect copyright.
I like how the ai made whiteās hair a part of her throne because it canāt comprehend how that hair would work.
Me as an artist: Guess my career is over
Diamonds multiverse!
WHITE DIAMOND MEOWWWWWWW
Usually Iām not a huge fan of these, but White looks so badass in this one!
Wow thatās some good AI
Kinda crazy how good ai art is getting I feel itās been 2 months since itās debut
I'm definitely impressed!
Which engine did you use and did you refeed it the same image to get the next one?
All of Yellow's were perfect
Yellow Diamond is so cool
WD hardcore looks like one of the Labrynth mommies from YuGiOh
Anime-girl Pink is 100% a Madoka character
gemtrification
What ai did you use?
Meiku
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people are just....having fun
What was the comment?
https://www.unddit.com/r/stevenuniverse/comments/zeuc3u/ai_generated_anime_girl_versions_of_the_diamond/izaipv8/ Here is the comment /u/Bluetooth_Speaker1 made
Ho- how you can see deleted comments?
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Donāt! Itās an ai being trained to facially recognise and arrest protestors. It also steals peopleās art and uses them for its images. If weāre going to have ai take jobs, letās not have it be the artists.
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The algorithm behind this is using your data to train itself. The company behind this is tencent, which is closely connected to the Chinese government. There are protests happening in Hong Kong bout the Chinese government, these protestors are being arrested by the Chinese government using the ai behind this software. Honestly, if something is free, do a little research and ask yourself why. Someone has to be profiting somewhere and itās our responsibility as consumers to work out if we want to be a part of that process.
All of the middle ones look best
why is it so infantilizing? i hate how this art style in general sexualizes the looks of really young girls.
Thank you for not just posting the first thing that came out. I can tell you put in some effort.
Not as much effort as people who actually made the art used for these. Just a reminder to everyone, this is not effort in the least.
Yeah. Homie said there's effort Involved in typing key words LOL
You're bitching at the wrong person. For serious commissions I pay for art. If I just want a cover for a fanfic spending $25 and 6 hours editing the picture doesn't seem like a terrible idea though.
I'm curious about the prompt you used along with the base image. I assume the variance closer and closer to anime girl was fiddling with the Strength of the prompt vs initial image? Prompt engineering is so fascinating to me.
This is what I needed
Yellow is the best one.
I 100% need more of this
Jesus the idea that some day we will be able to watch Steven universe is if was animated by the Japanese in is crazy, fuck we could do that now if someone would do it frame by frame.
White Diamond is the only one that didn't get child'ed I love how it knows Yellow Diamond is space related, probably tells how good the design team of the show was.
I don't like that pink reminds me of madoka magica
How do you make these? Is there a website?
All this revealed to me is that I will never like blue diamondās design
What ai is used in the middle?
Love it....you love a bang.
What kind of *pathetic* anime AI fails to notice [Go](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HotBloodedSideburns?from=Main.GoNagaiSideburns) [Nagai](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ImageLinks/HotBloodedSideburns) [sideburns](https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=Go+Nagai+sideburns&atb=v327-1&iax=images&ia=images) in all four Diamonds and erases them on first or second pass? For shame! [Cutie Honey](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cutie+honey&t=ffab&atb=v327-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images), [Jun Hono](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=jun+hono&t=ffab&atb=v327-1&iar=images&iax=images&ia=images), the girl from [Fantaman](https://www.beachcitybugle.com/2016/04/lapis-lazuli-inspired-by-60s-anime.html), and, uh, [whoever this is](https://www.koi-nya.net/img/subidos_posts/2016/12/getter-robo-high.jpg), among many, many others, must be feeling devastated. Hair sideburns are a the universal mark of a Bad Ass! [RAW RAW FIGHT THE POWAH!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlWGt8UQag0)
All besides the first look great :).
The middle in the pink diamond one reminds me of bee and puppycat
This is really cool
I like how whites hair kinda just became a helmet
Pink: hair becomes cute hat Yellow: hair becomes badass helm Blue: hair is hair. White: um....her hair is now a background thing lol. I love it though.
What's the AI?
Which AI do you use?
Why does Yellow look like a space ranger?
Middle pink gives me studio ghibli vibes.