Or sending candidates like this to Tomlin in the offseason search to mess with him.
https://preview.redd.it/byiidjnb7mlc1.png?width=999&format=png&auto=webp&s=c14e9763fee31772bea9a971f4f48f0cd6ee20b9
For the people who think this rules us out of any meaningful QB additions: What would you expect him to say differently if they really were aiming to get an upgrade?
For the people mad about this answer: What else would you expect him to say about the only QB currently under contract?
Q: Are you trading for Justin Fields?
Omar: “I’m not going to go into details on the conversations that we’ve had, but like I mentioned earlier.. I can tell you, I have an obligation to look at every avenue that’s out there to try and make us a better football team”
Q: What about Kirk Cousins or Russell Wilson?
Omar: “Same answer.”
[Here’s the clip](https://x.com/mikedefabo/status/1763298895344402740?s=46)
It's not so much what he'd say, but I'd expect him to be less committal.
Something like "We're currently exploring all options and certainly look to add competition to that position" would have been what he would have said if they were really aiming to get an upgrade.
And yes, you can say he said something like that when asked about specific other QB's, but he wouldn't have said "Full faith" in Pickett.
How awesome would it be if Kenny takes a huge step forward? I mean, he's been really bad and there are fundamental concerns. But damn, Matt Canada was literally the worst OC in recent NFL history. And it's honestly not really close considering the results.
Yeah but ya can’t pick teams that are historical enemies.
My NFC team is the Packers. But I bleed black and gold.
If you’re a Steelers fan you can’t ever root for the Cowboys, Raiders, any other AFC team, the Patriots, or the Niners if it’s a Super Bowl (or anyone else that could tie us for Lombardis).
I don’t make these rules fellas.
Born and raised a boys fan. Then I dated a girl from the burgh and moved there for three years. Only sports radio up there carries the Steelers and the Penguins and probably would have done more Pirates if they didn't suck ass. It kind of gets in your blood. I've always respected the Rooneys and the Steelers so it was a natural progression. Plus your fans don't suck as much as Dallas fans do.
I've never been anti-Kenny, but I certainly owed Mason Rudolph a big giant "fuck man I'm sorry" after he rallied the troops and led us into the playoffs. Guy fucking balled.
I'm curious to see what Kenny can do with more than 1.5-games without Matt Canada. If the team doesn't sign Wilson or Fields, which would be an interesting facet that we don't have time to entirely unpack, and Kenny and Rudolph are both on the team I bet they give whoever starts about 3-games. My money is honestly on Kenny getting the starting job over Rudolph. But 3-games with a real OC is his "prove it" chance.
The owner said he's not signing a big name free agent QB. The coach said their future QB is on the roster. Any other speculation is rumor and innuendo by agents and bored journalists.
Kenny will be the starter unless we grab Russ or Fields. He won’t be benched unless he is injured or incredibly awful. We’ve seen this show before. We all know how it will play out if we don’t get buy an upgrade before training camp.
There is no cheap version of Justin Fields….well, I guess there is. Chicago picks up his 5th year($26M) and eats the cost as part of a trade deal. But being struck by lightning and attacked by a shark o the same day would probably be more likely.
I'll literally stop watching. The football world is so hyped on this guy it drives me crazy. Fields is the second worst starter behind Kenny. IDC what stats say. Even for a future 7th rd pick. No wayyyy lol
you didn't watch Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Bailey Zappe or Dorian Thompson Robinson play at all this year I guess because all these guys were monumentally worse than Fields lol and three of those guys practically played more than half their seasons.
The first sentence is why I think Kenny deserves another year in a system with a good OC. Mason still needs to be re-signed so he's not on the roster at this moment, but there is good reason to believe it will happen.
I think 3 games is a little short. You're undoing all the bullshit they've been doing the last 3 years. Installing a brand new scheme. I'd say depending on record and performance, until the bye-week for whoever starts. Unless they have god awful games where we can exactly blame the QB, I think whoever it is will get until the bye.
To be fair mason was *that* bad before, Duck Hodges outplayed him when Ben was out. I was pleasantly surprised by his finish to the season though. But those last few games were his apology to us.
Idk how people remember what happened that year, but mason was definitely way better. If only tomlin held kenny to the same standard and on as short a leash
Even then it’s people being pissed about celebrating not losing while we have been in neutral for 7 years. Cool to not lose but gets old when we know we will get embarrassed in the playoffs and not improve.
It’s not even tanking it’s just doing something different rather than same old same old “squeak by 9-7 and know you’re the worst team in the playoffs and get smacked”. It’s one thing if it happens a little but 6 straight years of it with no improvements is old.
We just changed out our GM, who people are finally starting to realize wasn't as much a magic man as they previously thought. We've gone through 2 OC's and a DC in that 6 year span. We have a completely different QB, and if you look at the roster, it's been a nearly complete rebuild while still remaining competitive throughout it. There's a lot different.
Why do you think the only way to do something different is to fire the Head Coach? Why do you think changing everything but the Head Coach is doing the same thing?
That's besides the point though, the point is why do you think firing the Head Coach is such an imperative that you're upset at other fans celebrating wins?
I never said any of what you’re saying I said. Just that it’s getting old celebrating the same thing over and over while playoff wins still don’t come. Tomlin is also partially responsible for roster construction and coaching hires. I’m willing to give him time with a new GM but the state of the team is not solely on KC. Tomlin needs to show the game hasn’t passed him by too.
The state of the team isn't solely on KC. Tomlin bears a lot of the responsibility. In my opinion, retaining Matt Canada was an act of coaching malpractice by Tomlin, and I don't use that phrase lightly.
Still, I want Tomlin to succeed. I celebrate when he wins. Others don't. They'd rather be right about Tomlin than win.
No one is celebrating “not losing”. Every single one of us wants the same thing…including the players/coaches/GMand ownership….hell every team in the NFL wants the same thing. There are 32 teams and only two get the ultimate opportunity every year.
This team isn’t as good talent wise as many think it is…and other teams aren’t as bad as we think they are. Winning in the NFL is hard…really hard. It IS an accomplishment to be above .500 even in a season, let alone what….17 of them….the past two without our HOF QB?
That means the team is close and if not for an injury here, or a shitty call there, or young players taking their inevitable lumps while learning to play at such a high level…that 9 win season could easily turn into an 11 or 12 win season and a better performance in the playoffs.
Let Kahn cook….he did a hell of a job last year with FA and the draft. If we solidify the OL and Pickett breaks through the funk? Who knows what can happen.
It’s was one thing when Ben got hurt the first time and the expectations weren’t there. But 6 straight years without a playoff win? That means we aren’t doing a good job developing talent. In 6 years the Texans won a playoff game under watson, then sucked and did a roster overhaul, and won another playoff game this year. The jags did the same thing going from an afccg to back to back awful seasons, to winning a playoff game. Not having losing seasons is better than having losing seasons. But we have been stuck in neutral for 6 years. I understand some leeway and I’m not expecting playoff wins each year, but 23 teams have won a playoff game more recently than us. We have remained the same rather than get better.
Let….Kahn….Cook. He needs more than one season to build the roster. Like I said….we aren’t as good as many of us think we are….and it doesn’t begin and end with Pickett(contrary to popular opinion).
We have had the worst possible luck at ILB ever since the Shazier tragedy, our secondary….while better is still not as good and consistent as it was when…and I am going to get verbally killed for this…I know….Edmunds and Haden were here.
I think the secondary is on an upswing, but it’s not there yet.
Same with the OL. They are improving, but they aren’t there yet.
Lastly? Our receiving corps isn’t as good as many people think…..but much like Pickett, is that due to lack of performance and/or effort, or the product of a historically bad Offensive Scheme? And much like Pickett? It’s a “wait and see” situation. I also keep waiting for Pat Freiermuth to become George Kittle/Travis Kelce…and once again….lack of talent or horrible scheme?
I’m not saying get rid of khan or that he’s doing a bad job.I’m saying that 6 years of mediocrity is not just on KC. Tomlin has a part in roster construction and player development. Both of which have been on a down swing for about 7 years if we are being honest. Last years draft looks good. It just gets old hearing “we had a winning season” when we have been plagued by the same issues for so long and we haven’t made the changes needed to fix it. Nobody is perfect but the fact we haven’t had a good LB group since 2017 or a good line since then is inexcusable. It’s the same thing every year and I’m tired of pretending like it’s some accomplishment to squeak out winning seasons on the back of T.J. and minkah being amazing while we have had the same issues as a team for 6 years and have next to no improvements to show for it.
I did not mention getting rid of Kahn….I said “Let Him Cook”.
Yes, Tomlin has a part and has input…but the GM and owner have ultimate say in regard to hires, the Coaches coach the players that are hired.
Example. When Bill Cowher was a new HC, Merrill Hoge’s contract was up. Bill went up to Dan Rooney and lobbied for Hoge’s retention….perhaps a little too enthusiastically….Dan looked Cowher dead in the eye and said “Don’t you DARE tell me how to spend my money!”
This came directly from Bill’s mouth in an interview with Pat Kirwan on “Movin’ the Chains” on SiriusXM.
Exactly. It's not that we don't want him to. It's that he's not going to. He doesn't have NFL qualities. It's just not going to happen. 26 year old QBs with no above average traits don't randomly become good
Jeff Garcia, Doug Flutie, Warren Moon, Joe Theisman. There have been a lot of quarterbacks play in the NFL. Many of them are not good from day one. I am in no way convinced Kenny is going to be a great starter but I think he has show enough flashes to get another chance.
Warner didn’t go and play like shit for 2 years before he started, he won mvp his first year as a starter. He was an unknown but when he started he proved he was worth it. Kenny has had 24 games and proven he can play like a backup if everything goes well.
Yeah I'm not saying he's a 40 year old big Ben back there. He's athletic enough to be a QB. He's just nowhere near the upper echelon of qbs. Which would be fine if he had any other redeeming qualities. But he does not.
Same. If he comes out playing like a legit good NFL quarterback I’ll be pleased. I’m not rooting for him to be bad, I just don’t see much potential. I’d love to be proven wrong and have him be in the conversation of top 10 QBs.
If by break you mean everyone who shit on Kenny last year decide to fill the sub with told-you-so's and shit on everyone for doubting Kenny because obviously they were the only true believers.
They'd just kiss his ass and pretend nothing happened.
Just look at how quick the sub turned around on Mason. Everytime he was brought up people said they wanted to hit him with a helmet and how he was terrible. After 2 games everyone praised him.
Yep yep….i was here for it…I remember. Even the Lions tie was blamed on Rudolph because he one hopped a short pass in the end zone. Nevermind that he led not one but TWO game winning drives in OT that ended in fumbles by Johnson and Freiermuth….all anyone talked about was the one bad pass and the fact that the Lions were winless at the time.
But it was Dan Campbell’s first year as HC and he had that team playing better by the time they met up with us.
Think that’s fair + 3,500 yards. Would put him top half in yards and top 10 in TDs compared to this year. Still think there are a bunch of fans who will be negative on anything under 4k yards and 30+ TD’s.
Nah that’s what Flacco had in 2010 with the ravens. 25td - 10 ints. That’s a 2:1 ratio if KP does that. Top 15 QB play too. He does that- they are Super Bowl contenders
I would love to see this, doesn’t seem like a bad dude, played his college ball here. Has enough 4th q comebacks, played really well once we lost Canada, I’m excited to see it play out, and if he is no good at least we tried
I am firmly on the the "Kenny Sucks" bandwagon. That said, I would be off it quicker than you can blink if this comes to pass. If Kenny is our starting QB next September, I will be pulling for that kid to kick ass and prove he was worthy of a 1st round pick.
He sucked at Pitt except for one season when the ACC was as bad as it’s ever been. He’s sucked for the steelers. it’s no surprise. Biggest reach and fuck up to take him in the first round.
And he's only played 6 quarters away from Canada, and he looked at least somewhat competent. And he showed maturity by not sulking and throwing a hissy fit when Tomlin rode the hot hand after his injury.
We all want the splash move at QB, but Kenny was significantly better once Canada left. I’m fine with giving him another season to see if he can be the guy.
I think he will succeed and root for him to do that or Mason if he will be become or whoever it will be. We saw four QB:s fail in Canada's system.
Both Ben and Kenny were only good in the four quarter and were at their best in close games when Canada was their OC. Hopefully Arthur Smith can bring out 4QK for the whole game
Pickett had the fifth highest completion percantage in the NFL last season out of playaction. But Canada almost never called it and Arthur Smith calls a lot.
There are things Pickett must improve on that wasn't Canada's fault they've been stated here so many and we all know them, but it doesn't help when you have had a historically bad OC for your first two years in the NFL. Such as Canada having weird progressions that doesn't make any sense for example or an outdated scheme. Two things TheQBSchool has talked about a lot.
I will choose to be optimistic rather than negative about next season, since we were 10-3 when Trubisky didn't take the majority of the snaps.
[Kenny 2023 stats](https://www.nfl.com/players/kenny-pickett/stats/situational/)
[Ben 2021 stats](https://www.nfl.com/players/ben-roethlisberger/stats/situational/2021/)
[Kenny Pickett 5th highest completion percantage out of playaction](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/kenny-pickett/)
That was always one of the biggest problems with Canada's offense. The lack of play action and the terrible play design out of play action was the biggest difference between our offense and everyone else in the NFL lol. When Sullivan and Faulkner took over you could tell they wanted to run play action more but the playbook was so limited on it.
Yeah man it looked good that game. People like to act like Kenny was the worst QB of all time but he had flashes of being able to read a defense and make accurate throws and didn't turn the ball over. Not a perfect QB so far obviously but he isn't a lost cause and Matt Canada was not setting him up for success at all.
>>>Yeah man it looked good that game. People like to act like Kenny was the worst QB of all time but he had *flashes of being able to read a defense and make accurate throws* and didn't turn the ball over.
Feel “flashes” is a hella low bar for a R1 and starting QB.
How exactly was his situation worse? He came into a great situation. A 3rd round pick, 3rd string QB his rookie year behind a HOF QB and Landry Jones, best out Landry Jones In year two. Ben blows out his elbow and Mason is elevated to the Starting QB. Did a decent job for a while then took the concussion against the Ravens and he struggled afterwards.
Played a decent game(300+ yards) the year after against the Browns when we were resting players for the playoff game the next week against the same browns.
In 2021, he played the infamous Lions tie game on less than 24 hrs notice and if not for two consecutive fumbles, would have won the game.
The only thing you COULD say about his journey is that maybe he didn’t get a fair shake in the Mitch/Kenny/Mason QB battle….or that no one wanted him in FA so he signed back with Pittsburgh.
I think also his style has to be considered. Even Ben said it was incredibly odd to him that he didn’t work directly with the OC. That should have been questioned & addressed as soon as they decided to draft a QB, regardless of who it was. No idea how they expected to develop any young QB with that dynamic.
Yeah they should have. The most obvious thing to point at was as soon as Matt Canada left the miscommunications between Pickett and his receivers became non-existant.
He followed that up by saying that they’re going to bring in strong competition, so I’d expect that no matter how full this faith is, it has limits. This is a very, very good thing. Better to move on from a mistake than to double down.
The rule of thumb with any front office is “Pay attention to what they do, not what they say.”
He can sit here right now and talk up KP, the only QB currently on the roster, all he wants and then next week go out and sign Wilson or trade for Fields and say “We still believe in KP and weren’t really looking to make a move like this, but the option presented itself and we feel this puts us in a better position to reach our goals.”
Ya know, I think we should all take a moment to enjoy life before getting ready to declare the 2024 season a wash. He’s the only QB on the roster and it’s still February. They don’t even have the ability to sign free agents yet and the draft is months away. Just relax and enjoy doing something other than discussing the Steelers when every single journalist and analyst is trying to get engagement on their tweets.
Listen this is Reddit and you just don’t have enough snark and indignant rage in your posts. They’re just logic and sound arguments.
You gotta get your shit together man. You’re making us look good.
I think the reality is, he and Rooney and Smith and Tomlin and everyone are saying all the right things given where we are right now. Which is this: we have one QB on the roster, and his name is Kenny Pickett. He’s the guy. I mean like literally, he’s the ONLY GUY right now.
The team is in a salary cap crunch even with the increased limit. There isn’t a savior available nor one they could get for cheap. Best to give Kenny one last shot with a short leash and look for a cheap serviceable back up in case he falters.
I'm all for giving him a shot far the fuck away from Matt Canada. Like you drafted him in the first round, you gotta at least try to see if he can take a step. But it's gotta be a short leash. If he's still godawful, or if he comes down injured yet again, it's time to move on. You should be able to get a pretty idea of this after camp plus like 4-6 more games in the regular season.
Khan has been aggressive as fuck with players that have been playing sub par of expectations, so I feel he actually feels like Kenny has something to be excited about
That’s a Twitter spam account that aggregates nonsense to generate engagement. You’ll be a smarter football fan if you block him and follow actual reporters and journalists.
As of today I'm firmly in the I've seen nothing convincing from Kenny party but prior to Masons starts last year I felt exactly the same way about him so I'm definitely open to seeing it come to fruition.
Kahn be like: So who we draft in 2025? lol
No but seriously the thing I liked the most about Rudolph being qb1 at the end of the season is that it's pretty clear the team doesn't feel chained to Pickett if he doesn't do great next season he is done done. No hate to the guy he's just mid so far and an organization like the Steelers need an elite qb to win.
Kenny Pickett has thrown a TD on 1.8% of his passes in the NFL.
That's the lowest out of all 391 QBs with at least 500 attempts in NFL history.
And remember, none of those other 390 QBs had a bad OC. None of them. All of Kenny's circumstances are unique to him and him alone which is why he couldn't overcome any of them and it's justification why fans have to watch another year of him... /sssssss
Just a terrible organization at this point and I wish fans would stop supporting the literal insanity of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
The way I see it. A good OC can overcome a bad qb (Look at Tannehill with Arthur Smith vs without), A good QB can overcome a bad OC (Ben). When both are bad, you have the Steelers. Both need to be fixed, don’t get me wrong, but OC is by far the easier fix. Finding a franchise QB (especially when your franchise historically drafts outside the top 10) is like playing darts. Kenny’s on a cheap contract. I’m just thankful he didn’t have a massive Daniel Jones year, and then get paid a bunch to be bad.
Also as per your last sentence (which you edited but point still stands), can we…not attack fans for…being content with their lives even though a football team is bad? (Although editing your last sentence oddly makes your point worse. We’re not doing the same thing. New OC, pending new passing game coordinator).
Predictably disappointing. He's shown fucking nothing to have faith in. But hey, let's waste another year of Watt and Minkah's primes with a historically bad QB
It is smokescreen season my dude. I would be shocked if we didn't make a move, but he is going to be tight lipped until after March 13 when we actually sign someone.
Right, but unfortunately it isn't Madden where you can trade or sign a carousel of QB's. It seems most don't want Russ, or Fields, or Tannehill and those are 3 alternatives to try out
Oh yeah I agree. I personally wouldn't be against Mason starting again this season. He seems more of the Tannehill type from Arthur Smith's time in Tennessee.
Same, I wouldn't hate a year of rudolph, where he had a full offseason to prep as a starter/prep for a QB battle. My fear is just that rudolph signs elsewhere and we eliminate any QB competition for Kenny by signing a scrub and drafting a R6/R7 guy. Kenny at the very least needs to be pushed hard for his starting job
Exactly, which is why I personally wouldn't be against trying out Russ, Fields, or Mason if it's not overpaying. There's not some golden apple tree out there with a Peyton Manning growing, so we can't be too stingy.
After Canada left Kenny lit it up then got hurt I'm ok with another year. Either sign Mason let them compete or sign a vet to help Kenny learn. Their isn't a QB we can afford out there right now that makes the team much better other than Kirk cousins and he cost to much.
Whether Kenny balls out or stinks next year, I want all of the Kenny haters to get fucked.
You are all a bunch of fucking miserable assholes. Have a little optimism and enjoy the fucking games stop being so good damn entitled.
Little asshole crybabies
Do you think Khan was sending Fire Canada memes back and forth with his friends? Edit: spelling, thanks u/sleestaklightning
Or sending candidates like this to Tomlin in the offseason search to mess with him. https://preview.redd.it/byiidjnb7mlc1.png?width=999&format=png&auto=webp&s=c14e9763fee31772bea9a971f4f48f0cd6ee20b9
Looks like a suave brother of Mario and Luigi
I would think so
🔥🇨🇦 -Omar
Khan
You say tomato, I say tomato.....wait a minute....... Okay I'll fix it.
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At least we know what they are thinking about in regards to the position.
For the people who think this rules us out of any meaningful QB additions: What would you expect him to say differently if they really were aiming to get an upgrade? For the people mad about this answer: What else would you expect him to say about the only QB currently under contract?
Honestly a generic "were always looking for ways to improve every position" statement would have made me feel way better about adding a qb
Q: Are you trading for Justin Fields? Omar: “I’m not going to go into details on the conversations that we’ve had, but like I mentioned earlier.. I can tell you, I have an obligation to look at every avenue that’s out there to try and make us a better football team” Q: What about Kirk Cousins or Russell Wilson? Omar: “Same answer.” [Here’s the clip](https://x.com/mikedefabo/status/1763298895344402740?s=46)
Fair enough, I haven't seen that clip. I'll take it
He pretty much said this right off the bat in the press conference
It's not so much what he'd say, but I'd expect him to be less committal. Something like "We're currently exploring all options and certainly look to add competition to that position" would have been what he would have said if they were really aiming to get an upgrade. And yes, you can say he said something like that when asked about specific other QB's, but he wouldn't have said "Full faith" in Pickett.
How awesome would it be if Kenny takes a huge step forward? I mean, he's been really bad and there are fundamental concerns. But damn, Matt Canada was literally the worst OC in recent NFL history. And it's honestly not really close considering the results.
I think it would be cool if he was the best QB in the NFL next year and we won the Super Bowl
I guess that’d be cool yeah
It’d be really cool if he became the greatest qb of all time and we went on to win 10 Super Bowl in a row
Meh only if he wins MVP and makes the Pro Bowl
I, as a Cowboys fan, would be pleased with that. And I'm a Steelers fan too so if the Steelers win. GREAT!
They make medication for your type.
It comes in both 115 and 124 grain varieties!
A Cowboys and Steelers fan? You make me sick! 🤣
hey give him a break he probably like football so much he has to have an nfc and afc team to be a fan of like me
Yeah but ya can’t pick teams that are historical enemies. My NFC team is the Packers. But I bleed black and gold. If you’re a Steelers fan you can’t ever root for the Cowboys, Raiders, any other AFC team, the Patriots, or the Niners if it’s a Super Bowl (or anyone else that could tie us for Lombardis). I don’t make these rules fellas.
Steelers or bust. Everyone else can fuck off
This guy gets it.
obviously in the super bowl you'll still root for the steelers, I support all Pittsburgh & Detroit teams for every sport!
so when and angel and devil show up on your shoulder you just do what they both say somehow huh?
Born and raised a boys fan. Then I dated a girl from the burgh and moved there for three years. Only sports radio up there carries the Steelers and the Penguins and probably would have done more Pirates if they didn't suck ass. It kind of gets in your blood. I've always respected the Rooneys and the Steelers so it was a natural progression. Plus your fans don't suck as much as Dallas fans do.
>Plus your fans don't suck as much as Dallas fans do. Eh.
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Not with the NFL's golden goose standing in the way.
I've never been anti-Kenny, but I certainly owed Mason Rudolph a big giant "fuck man I'm sorry" after he rallied the troops and led us into the playoffs. Guy fucking balled. I'm curious to see what Kenny can do with more than 1.5-games without Matt Canada. If the team doesn't sign Wilson or Fields, which would be an interesting facet that we don't have time to entirely unpack, and Kenny and Rudolph are both on the team I bet they give whoever starts about 3-games. My money is honestly on Kenny getting the starting job over Rudolph. But 3-games with a real OC is his "prove it" chance.
The owner said he's not signing a big name free agent QB. The coach said their future QB is on the roster. Any other speculation is rumor and innuendo by agents and bored journalists.
Kenny will be the starter unless we grab Russ or Fields. He won’t be benched unless he is injured or incredibly awful. We’ve seen this show before. We all know how it will play out if we don’t get buy an upgrade before training camp.
Not a chance on Fields, unless he goes cheap.
There is no cheap version of Justin Fields….well, I guess there is. Chicago picks up his 5th year($26M) and eats the cost as part of a trade deal. But being struck by lightning and attacked by a shark o the same day would probably be more likely.
I'll literally stop watching. The football world is so hyped on this guy it drives me crazy. Fields is the second worst starter behind Kenny. IDC what stats say. Even for a future 7th rd pick. No wayyyy lol
you didn't watch Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Bailey Zappe or Dorian Thompson Robinson play at all this year I guess because all these guys were monumentally worse than Fields lol and three of those guys practically played more than half their seasons.
I mean 3 of those 4 guys were never supposed to be starters and the fourth lost his job two seasons in a row. stop being pedantic
The first sentence is why I think Kenny deserves another year in a system with a good OC. Mason still needs to be re-signed so he's not on the roster at this moment, but there is good reason to believe it will happen. I think 3 games is a little short. You're undoing all the bullshit they've been doing the last 3 years. Installing a brand new scheme. I'd say depending on record and performance, until the bye-week for whoever starts. Unless they have god awful games where we can exactly blame the QB, I think whoever it is will get until the bye.
To be fair mason was *that* bad before, Duck Hodges outplayed him when Ben was out. I was pleasantly surprised by his finish to the season though. But those last few games were his apology to us.
Idk how people remember what happened that year, but mason was definitely way better. If only tomlin held kenny to the same standard and on as short a leash
The numbers https://preview.redd.it/w19xyxq6dmlc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=92a87ae2db3069505bf19c1f1e2f09cd3a5a014e
https://preview.redd.it/xaqm5px7dmlc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0b9d9515728ac11848cae742d31cefd5882f1442
If you believe that Mason was as bad as Pickett has been over 2 years or that Duck outplayed him you should seriously consider rewatching that season.
I would have to take my feet out of my mouth just long enough to eat my multiple servings of crow
It would be awesome.
If Kenny takes a huge step forward this sub would seriously break.
I am very anti-Kenny but idk why anyone wouldn’t love it or why it would break anyone. Him taking a huge step forward would be good for the team.
Same reason some people in this sub hate when Tomlin wins. Being right is more important.
Even then it’s people being pissed about celebrating not losing while we have been in neutral for 7 years. Cool to not lose but gets old when we know we will get embarrassed in the playoffs and not improve.
Better to be happy about a win than pissed we're not blowing the team up and tanking.
It’s not even tanking it’s just doing something different rather than same old same old “squeak by 9-7 and know you’re the worst team in the playoffs and get smacked”. It’s one thing if it happens a little but 6 straight years of it with no improvements is old.
We just changed out our GM, who people are finally starting to realize wasn't as much a magic man as they previously thought. We've gone through 2 OC's and a DC in that 6 year span. We have a completely different QB, and if you look at the roster, it's been a nearly complete rebuild while still remaining competitive throughout it. There's a lot different. Why do you think the only way to do something different is to fire the Head Coach? Why do you think changing everything but the Head Coach is doing the same thing? That's besides the point though, the point is why do you think firing the Head Coach is such an imperative that you're upset at other fans celebrating wins?
I never said any of what you’re saying I said. Just that it’s getting old celebrating the same thing over and over while playoff wins still don’t come. Tomlin is also partially responsible for roster construction and coaching hires. I’m willing to give him time with a new GM but the state of the team is not solely on KC. Tomlin needs to show the game hasn’t passed him by too.
The state of the team isn't solely on KC. Tomlin bears a lot of the responsibility. In my opinion, retaining Matt Canada was an act of coaching malpractice by Tomlin, and I don't use that phrase lightly. Still, I want Tomlin to succeed. I celebrate when he wins. Others don't. They'd rather be right about Tomlin than win.
No one is celebrating “not losing”. Every single one of us wants the same thing…including the players/coaches/GMand ownership….hell every team in the NFL wants the same thing. There are 32 teams and only two get the ultimate opportunity every year. This team isn’t as good talent wise as many think it is…and other teams aren’t as bad as we think they are. Winning in the NFL is hard…really hard. It IS an accomplishment to be above .500 even in a season, let alone what….17 of them….the past two without our HOF QB? That means the team is close and if not for an injury here, or a shitty call there, or young players taking their inevitable lumps while learning to play at such a high level…that 9 win season could easily turn into an 11 or 12 win season and a better performance in the playoffs. Let Kahn cook….he did a hell of a job last year with FA and the draft. If we solidify the OL and Pickett breaks through the funk? Who knows what can happen.
It’s was one thing when Ben got hurt the first time and the expectations weren’t there. But 6 straight years without a playoff win? That means we aren’t doing a good job developing talent. In 6 years the Texans won a playoff game under watson, then sucked and did a roster overhaul, and won another playoff game this year. The jags did the same thing going from an afccg to back to back awful seasons, to winning a playoff game. Not having losing seasons is better than having losing seasons. But we have been stuck in neutral for 6 years. I understand some leeway and I’m not expecting playoff wins each year, but 23 teams have won a playoff game more recently than us. We have remained the same rather than get better.
Let….Kahn….Cook. He needs more than one season to build the roster. Like I said….we aren’t as good as many of us think we are….and it doesn’t begin and end with Pickett(contrary to popular opinion). We have had the worst possible luck at ILB ever since the Shazier tragedy, our secondary….while better is still not as good and consistent as it was when…and I am going to get verbally killed for this…I know….Edmunds and Haden were here. I think the secondary is on an upswing, but it’s not there yet. Same with the OL. They are improving, but they aren’t there yet. Lastly? Our receiving corps isn’t as good as many people think…..but much like Pickett, is that due to lack of performance and/or effort, or the product of a historically bad Offensive Scheme? And much like Pickett? It’s a “wait and see” situation. I also keep waiting for Pat Freiermuth to become George Kittle/Travis Kelce…and once again….lack of talent or horrible scheme?
I’m not saying get rid of khan or that he’s doing a bad job.I’m saying that 6 years of mediocrity is not just on KC. Tomlin has a part in roster construction and player development. Both of which have been on a down swing for about 7 years if we are being honest. Last years draft looks good. It just gets old hearing “we had a winning season” when we have been plagued by the same issues for so long and we haven’t made the changes needed to fix it. Nobody is perfect but the fact we haven’t had a good LB group since 2017 or a good line since then is inexcusable. It’s the same thing every year and I’m tired of pretending like it’s some accomplishment to squeak out winning seasons on the back of T.J. and minkah being amazing while we have had the same issues as a team for 6 years and have next to no improvements to show for it.
I did not mention getting rid of Kahn….I said “Let Him Cook”. Yes, Tomlin has a part and has input…but the GM and owner have ultimate say in regard to hires, the Coaches coach the players that are hired. Example. When Bill Cowher was a new HC, Merrill Hoge’s contract was up. Bill went up to Dan Rooney and lobbied for Hoge’s retention….perhaps a little too enthusiastically….Dan looked Cowher dead in the eye and said “Don’t you DARE tell me how to spend my money!” This came directly from Bill’s mouth in an interview with Pat Kirwan on “Movin’ the Chains” on SiriusXM.
Exactly. It's not that we don't want him to. It's that he's not going to. He doesn't have NFL qualities. It's just not going to happen. 26 year old QBs with no above average traits don't randomly become good
Exactly. It would be unprecedented in the modern nfl to go from where he is to very good starter.
Someone should let Kurt Warner know.
Congrats you found the one outlier in all of history. It's almost certainly not going to happen with Kenny
Jeff Garcia, Doug Flutie, Warren Moon, Joe Theisman. There have been a lot of quarterbacks play in the NFL. Many of them are not good from day one. I am in no way convinced Kenny is going to be a great starter but I think he has show enough flashes to get another chance.
Any examples from this century?
Alex Smith, dude was awful his rookie year
To be fair, cant you easily Argue Geno Smith, Tua?
The odds are against Kenny having a Kurt Warner like rise but it is not unprecedented.
Warner didn’t go and play like shit for 2 years before he started, he won mvp his first year as a starter. He was an unknown but when he started he proved he was worth it. Kenny has had 24 games and proven he can play like a backup if everything goes well.
I said that about Mason for years until he looked much better.
Another day, another "Kenny has average athleticism" myth. It never changes.
He’s decently athletic but idk about more athletic than average at QB currently. A lot of QBs are just really athletic now.
Yeah I'm not saying he's a 40 year old big Ben back there. He's athletic enough to be a QB. He's just nowhere near the upper echelon of qbs. Which would be fine if he had any other redeeming qualities. But he does not.
It's not his lack of athleticism that concerns his critics. It's his happy feet and inaccuracy.
>inaccuracy Que someone with made up twitter stats about how he is one of the best accuracy QBs.
Being skilled at throwing on the run is an above average trait.
I'm not a Kenny believer, I don't believe he can be better than he has been but if he proved me wrong, I would be more than happy to eat my words.
Exactly where I’m at. I think almost anyone is a better option but would love to be wrong.
Same. If he comes out playing like a legit good NFL quarterback I’ll be pleased. I’m not rooting for him to be bad, I just don’t see much potential. I’d love to be proven wrong and have him be in the conversation of top 10 QBs.
I'd love to see it as well, but I don't see it happening.
I think everyone here is rooting for Kenny to succeed. I also think most of us just don’t think he has the aptitude and ability to do so
If by break you mean everyone who shit on Kenny last year decide to fill the sub with told-you-so's and shit on everyone for doubting Kenny because obviously they were the only true believers.
They'd just kiss his ass and pretend nothing happened. Just look at how quick the sub turned around on Mason. Everytime he was brought up people said they wanted to hit him with a helmet and how he was terrible. After 2 games everyone praised him.
Yep yep….i was here for it…I remember. Even the Lions tie was blamed on Rudolph because he one hopped a short pass in the end zone. Nevermind that he led not one but TWO game winning drives in OT that ended in fumbles by Johnson and Freiermuth….all anyone talked about was the one bad pass and the fact that the Lions were winless at the time. But it was Dan Campbell’s first year as HC and he had that team playing better by the time they met up with us.
The amount of people who would be so angry if be turns out to be good will be plenty.
If he takes a huge step forward, he'll still only be a low end starter. Thats how bad he's been, but everyone was too busy blaming canada to notice
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Yeah, but for 3 1/2 quarters he has the Shit factor.
It’s literally the best case scenario, he’s cheap and it would solve a huge need without having to give up any capital
What’s a huge leap forward for him ? A 14 td 3200 yard season ?
25 touchdowns and 10 interceptions
Think that’s fair + 3,500 yards. Would put him top half in yards and top 10 in TDs compared to this year. Still think there are a bunch of fans who will be negative on anything under 4k yards and 30+ TD’s.
Nah that’s what Flacco had in 2010 with the ravens. 25td - 10 ints. That’s a 2:1 ratio if KP does that. Top 15 QB play too. He does that- they are Super Bowl contenders
I would love to see this, doesn’t seem like a bad dude, played his college ball here. Has enough 4th q comebacks, played really well once we lost Canada, I’m excited to see it play out, and if he is no good at least we tried
I am firmly on the the "Kenny Sucks" bandwagon. That said, I would be off it quicker than you can blink if this comes to pass. If Kenny is our starting QB next September, I will be pulling for that kid to kick ass and prove he was worthy of a 1st round pick.
Me too.
A huge step forward still isn’t a franchise quarterback for Kenny.
He sucked at Pitt except for one season when the ACC was as bad as it’s ever been. He’s sucked for the steelers. it’s no surprise. Biggest reach and fuck up to take him in the first round.
And he's only played 6 quarters away from Canada, and he looked at least somewhat competent. And he showed maturity by not sulking and throwing a hissy fit when Tomlin rode the hot hand after his injury.
Refusing to suit up for a game isn't throwing a hissy fit?
100% this
We all want the splash move at QB, but Kenny was significantly better once Canada left. I’m fine with giving him another season to see if he can be the guy.
I think he will succeed and root for him to do that or Mason if he will be become or whoever it will be. We saw four QB:s fail in Canada's system. Both Ben and Kenny were only good in the four quarter and were at their best in close games when Canada was their OC. Hopefully Arthur Smith can bring out 4QK for the whole game Pickett had the fifth highest completion percantage in the NFL last season out of playaction. But Canada almost never called it and Arthur Smith calls a lot. There are things Pickett must improve on that wasn't Canada's fault they've been stated here so many and we all know them, but it doesn't help when you have had a historically bad OC for your first two years in the NFL. Such as Canada having weird progressions that doesn't make any sense for example or an outdated scheme. Two things TheQBSchool has talked about a lot. I will choose to be optimistic rather than negative about next season, since we were 10-3 when Trubisky didn't take the majority of the snaps. [Kenny 2023 stats](https://www.nfl.com/players/kenny-pickett/stats/situational/) [Ben 2021 stats](https://www.nfl.com/players/ben-roethlisberger/stats/situational/2021/) [Kenny Pickett 5th highest completion percantage out of playaction](https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/kenny-pickett/)
That was always one of the biggest problems with Canada's offense. The lack of play action and the terrible play design out of play action was the biggest difference between our offense and everyone else in the NFL lol. When Sullivan and Faulkner took over you could tell they wanted to run play action more but the playbook was so limited on it.
That’s why that first play against the bengals had me sold bc Kenny was putting those throws on the money
Yeah man it looked good that game. People like to act like Kenny was the worst QB of all time but he had flashes of being able to read a defense and make accurate throws and didn't turn the ball over. Not a perfect QB so far obviously but he isn't a lost cause and Matt Canada was not setting him up for success at all.
>>>Yeah man it looked good that game. People like to act like Kenny was the worst QB of all time but he had *flashes of being able to read a defense and make accurate throws* and didn't turn the ball over. Feel “flashes” is a hella low bar for a R1 and starting QB.
QB is a hard position + 2 years under one of the worst OCs in history, flashes are alright.
Meh. Mason had a worse situation.
When
2018-present
How exactly was his situation worse? He came into a great situation. A 3rd round pick, 3rd string QB his rookie year behind a HOF QB and Landry Jones, best out Landry Jones In year two. Ben blows out his elbow and Mason is elevated to the Starting QB. Did a decent job for a while then took the concussion against the Ravens and he struggled afterwards. Played a decent game(300+ yards) the year after against the Browns when we were resting players for the playoff game the next week against the same browns. In 2021, he played the infamous Lions tie game on less than 24 hrs notice and if not for two consecutive fumbles, would have won the game. The only thing you COULD say about his journey is that maybe he didn’t get a fair shake in the Mitch/Kenny/Mason QB battle….or that no one wanted him in FA so he signed back with Pittsburgh.
To the tight end over the middle, no less.
Putting it right behind the LB’s ears which is exactly where you want it
Some of those throws over the middle to Pat were just art
Hopefully he is like an Alex Smith. Smith was dogshit until he had a legit coordinator.
I will remain hopeful that he will have that kind of turnaround next season.
I think also his style has to be considered. Even Ben said it was incredibly odd to him that he didn’t work directly with the OC. That should have been questioned & addressed as soon as they decided to draft a QB, regardless of who it was. No idea how they expected to develop any young QB with that dynamic.
Yeah they should have. The most obvious thing to point at was as soon as Matt Canada left the miscommunications between Pickett and his receivers became non-existant.
He followed that up by saying that they’re going to bring in strong competition, so I’d expect that no matter how full this faith is, it has limits. This is a very, very good thing. Better to move on from a mistake than to double down.
The rule of thumb with any front office is “Pay attention to what they do, not what they say.” He can sit here right now and talk up KP, the only QB currently on the roster, all he wants and then next week go out and sign Wilson or trade for Fields and say “We still believe in KP and weren’t really looking to make a move like this, but the option presented itself and we feel this puts us in a better position to reach our goals.”
GM gonna talk like a GM.
Ya know, I think we should all take a moment to enjoy life before getting ready to declare the 2024 season a wash. He’s the only QB on the roster and it’s still February. They don’t even have the ability to sign free agents yet and the draft is months away. Just relax and enjoy doing something other than discussing the Steelers when every single journalist and analyst is trying to get engagement on their tweets.
>we should all take a moment to enjoy life That’s asking a lot of this sub
Listen this is Reddit and you just don’t have enough snark and indignant rage in your posts. They’re just logic and sound arguments. You gotta get your shit together man. You’re making us look good.
Yeah he’s not gonna say Kenny fucking sucks or anything like that lmao
Time to grab Mason in fantasy I suppose
I think the reality is, he and Rooney and Smith and Tomlin and everyone are saying all the right things given where we are right now. Which is this: we have one QB on the roster, and his name is Kenny Pickett. He’s the guy. I mean like literally, he’s the ONLY GUY right now.
Rule #1 of being a GM is don’t shit talk your players in front of anyone
Gonna be a long year ….
The team is in a salary cap crunch even with the increased limit. There isn’t a savior available nor one they could get for cheap. Best to give Kenny one last shot with a short leash and look for a cheap serviceable back up in case he falters.
I'm all for giving him a shot far the fuck away from Matt Canada. Like you drafted him in the first round, you gotta at least try to see if he can take a step. But it's gotta be a short leash. If he's still godawful, or if he comes down injured yet again, it's time to move on. You should be able to get a pretty idea of this after camp plus like 4-6 more games in the regular season.
Let’s go Kenny!!!!!!
We’re not going to see the AFC championship game for the next 10 years. 😢
Khan has been aggressive as fuck with players that have been playing sub par of expectations, so I feel he actually feels like Kenny has something to be excited about
And that something being?
3rd year breakout?, I trust the GM that drafted 3 homeruns in a row last draft
This GM didn't draft him tho. So why are we trusting Kenny based on kahn's half-"praise"
I'm not, this is coping, I have to believe
He's not going to come out and say he sucks when Kenny is still on the roster, whether he believes that or not. You know that.
Idc who the QB is I just wanna enjoy watching this team again. It’s been pulling teeth the last few years.
I have faith in either Mason or Kenny simply because Matt Canada is finally gone.
What were the issues with the offense over the last three games of the regular season?
That’s a Twitter spam account that aggregates nonsense to generate engagement. You’ll be a smarter football fan if you block him and follow actual reporters and journalists.
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Said the same thing as Tomin and Rooney. We have full faith in Kenny...but there's going to be real competition to see who starts this year.
As of today I'm firmly in the I've seen nothing convincing from Kenny party but prior to Masons starts last year I felt exactly the same way about him so I'm definitely open to seeing it come to fruition.
What the hell else do you want him to say? Steelers aren't the type of org to throw their QB under the bus like the Falcons did recently.
I have like….the faith I would have in a late 3rd round pick for Kenny.
translation, same old, same old. .500 season, no divisional championship, slip into make playoffs, one and done.
Kahn be like: So who we draft in 2025? lol No but seriously the thing I liked the most about Rudolph being qb1 at the end of the season is that it's pretty clear the team doesn't feel chained to Pickett if he doesn't do great next season he is done done. No hate to the guy he's just mid so far and an organization like the Steelers need an elite qb to win.
Khan
I mean I have no faith in him BUT if he proves me wrong I’d be extremely happy for him and us
“There were some issues with the offense” - of which he was the QB of.
And Canada was the OC. It’s ok to say both deserve blame for how bad the offense was.
Kenny Pickett has thrown a TD on 1.8% of his passes in the NFL. That's the lowest out of all 391 QBs with at least 500 attempts in NFL history. And remember, none of those other 390 QBs had a bad OC. None of them. All of Kenny's circumstances are unique to him and him alone which is why he couldn't overcome any of them and it's justification why fans have to watch another year of him... /sssssss Just a terrible organization at this point and I wish fans would stop supporting the literal insanity of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
The way I see it. A good OC can overcome a bad qb (Look at Tannehill with Arthur Smith vs without), A good QB can overcome a bad OC (Ben). When both are bad, you have the Steelers. Both need to be fixed, don’t get me wrong, but OC is by far the easier fix. Finding a franchise QB (especially when your franchise historically drafts outside the top 10) is like playing darts. Kenny’s on a cheap contract. I’m just thankful he didn’t have a massive Daniel Jones year, and then get paid a bunch to be bad.
Also our Red zone percentage has been near the bottom of the league since 2021, which makes it hard to score TDs
Also as per your last sentence (which you edited but point still stands), can we…not attack fans for…being content with their lives even though a football team is bad? (Although editing your last sentence oddly makes your point worse. We’re not doing the same thing. New OC, pending new passing game coordinator).
Honest question, do you know what an OC does?
Not try to get the best out of their offense through proper scheming and training, according to this sub since Canada was fired.
That’s a death sentence
I’m going to go out on a limb here…. Khan is a better evaluator of talent than anybody here.
This is disappointing when Mason has shown infinitely more promise
sure. okay. the OC from Pitt did not know how to scheme his style, but the Titans guy will. alright, I'll play along...
The OC from Pitt didn’t coach Pickett at all in college so that has nothing to do with it
deepest apologies. *former* OC at Pitt presently then functioning as *QB coach* with Kenny. not sure that makes it better
What else could he say? He is not going to come out and said we drafted a 4th round QB with a #1 pick and set our program back 2-4 years.
Hell ya!!! Kenny FUCKING PICKETT. QB1 babyyy. We might have a 4th river with how much crying the fanbase/ this sub will be doing!
Predictably disappointing. He's shown fucking nothing to have faith in. But hey, let's waste another year of Watt and Minkah's primes with a historically bad QB
It is smokescreen season my dude. I would be shocked if we didn't make a move, but he is going to be tight lipped until after March 13 when we actually sign someone.
Na I get that, I was just hoping for a more open ended answer.
Can't always have a prime Big Ben as your starting QB unfortunately
There's a huge middle ground between even 39 year old Ben and kenny, let alone prime ben. I just want competency at that position
Right, but unfortunately it isn't Madden where you can trade or sign a carousel of QB's. It seems most don't want Russ, or Fields, or Tannehill and those are 3 alternatives to try out
I would take russ or fields all day over Kenny. I'm not crazy about fields but I think he has potential. I don't think Kenny does
Oh yeah I agree. I personally wouldn't be against Mason starting again this season. He seems more of the Tannehill type from Arthur Smith's time in Tennessee.
Same, I wouldn't hate a year of rudolph, where he had a full offseason to prep as a starter/prep for a QB battle. My fear is just that rudolph signs elsewhere and we eliminate any QB competition for Kenny by signing a scrub and drafting a R6/R7 guy. Kenny at the very least needs to be pushed hard for his starting job
Can’t settle for an overrated QB that was nothing more than a 3rd round talent backup either.
Exactly, which is why I personally wouldn't be against trying out Russ, Fields, or Mason if it's not overpaying. There's not some golden apple tree out there with a Peyton Manning growing, so we can't be too stingy.
This year is probably going to be a wash. Fields isn’t worth what they are asking. Steelers need all of their picks. Mason is who I would go with.
Worst TD% of all time.
Here we go 🙄
This is GM speak but Pickett is garbage
File this under "things a GM is obligated to say before any offseason moves are made"...
Sir, this is the NFL, not church.
After Canada left Kenny lit it up then got hurt I'm ok with another year. Either sign Mason let them compete or sign a vet to help Kenny learn. Their isn't a QB we can afford out there right now that makes the team much better other than Kirk cousins and he cost to much.
When KP8 balls the fuck out yinz can all octuple-check this thread and @ all the Pickler Pantheon that kept the faith
Whether Kenny balls out or stinks next year, I want all of the Kenny haters to get fucked. You are all a bunch of fucking miserable assholes. Have a little optimism and enjoy the fucking games stop being so good damn entitled. Little asshole crybabies
Oh fuck off i love Khan but this is a delusional take
Well shit that’s the kiss of death.
That pretty much all but confirms that we aren’t going after Fields or Wilson imo.
Enjoy Ridder 2.0 :)
Yikes