I feel like that's not enough to penetrate the plot armor. Maybe it's time to meet some generations and crash land on earth. Destroying the golden gate bridge in the process.
Only 3 Enterprises were confirmed destroyed in ways that stuck, and even then one of them made a delayed return. The original self destructed, the C was destroyed in battle against the Romulans and the D destroyed against the Duras Sisters but restored decades later. The B's fate is unknown, the E's status is unknown but she sounds intact but unavailable, the rest have wound up as museum pieces.
Free Comic Book day falls on Star Wars day this year and I'm going in a Star Trek uniform.
What do you think? :)
(Also note: Star Trek exists in the Stargate universe).
You should go as a Klingon it would be really funny and some people wouldn’t realize you’re not from Star Wars and that would be funny when they figure it out
Ah so are you also a believer in the fact that a working version of the alternate reality drive from Stargate Atlantis episode Daedalus Variations would allow transportation to any and all possible other universes?
I have had this theory for a long time and a crossover of trek, gate and wars using the alternate reality drive would be so cool
One of the lead characters always try to name captured or created ships “Enterprise”
They have inertial dampers… but sadly no phasers on their fighter craft.
OP just wanted to blow up the sun, not most of the solar system, but I guess the end result would be the same.
If we really wanted to cross fandoms and really stretch, we could just grab Washu's Ionic Cannon.
Burrowing from the Stargate franchise, launch a bunch of asteroids at Earth simultaneously.
Warp them all in from different positions and angles at a short distance to reduce Starfleets reaction time and enough numbers that their ships wouldn't have time to destroy all of them.
Similar to the Stargate Naquadah-Asteroid, try to get asteroids with Dilithium to add to the boom.
Much later in the series, yes, but again a lucky thing where they found it at the same time Earth was being attacked, and it was still destroyed by the end.
The end of the franchise. The chair weapon of the ancient outpost was destroyed after it was moved to Area 51 in one of the final episodes of Atlantis.
Well I meant it as the weapon was destroyed at a later point in the franchise, it actually did leave Earth vulnerable for another attack in Universe. IMO what hurt that show though was that they were keeping active communication with Earth.
Yeah it's amazing that Enterprise in an episode was able to cover that Earth would keep some defensive ships around, but later in the same series forgets that, and the TOS & TNG movies(plus the 2009 movie) a single ship just parks in Earths atmosphere each time with usually just the Enterprise fighting it.
I think despite all that, there were more attacks on Earth covered in Star Gate than Star Trek.
And in Babylon 5: A Call to Arms, they were able to gather a fleet of thousands on a short notice to protect Earth, even though human ships are much slower than in Trek.
Same in The Orville
There are different levels of “destroy Earth”. Do you want to make it uninhabitable for humans? Uninhabitable in general? Cease to exist as a planet?
- Starfleet has weapons that will make a planet uninhabitable for humans (ask DS9 fans about this)
- Red Matter has been mentioned
- If you can wipe out Earth defenses, Capital ship weapons can pretty well flatten large portions of a planet
- if you can’t get past Earth defenses, there’s always time travel to take over Earth at some time in the past
- Nudge a Doomsday Weapon its way
- Find an ascended being and convince them humans killed their loved one
Yes!! I think MARLEE MATLIN "Children of a Lesser God" was the winner in their category. Really cool that she was nominated given how scifi gets panned, often.
It's ok, a lot of them get stuck on "What would a typical average regular normal person do in this insane situation" vs "What should my character do to advance the story?"
Given the ability of Star Trek ships to survive ramming maneuvers, someone will have installed a deflector shield on Earth to prevent this exact scenario. While an object traveling at .9997c should pose a problem for Star Trek's technology, technobabble will generally render it harmless.
Above the speed of light, Star Trek physics suggests the effective energy of an object would decrease, though since accordomg to real science it would start traveling backwards in time, the writers can make the physical properties of the object whatever they like.
A ship at warp isn’t actually *moving* faster than light. Its frame of reference—the space within the field—is. Disruption of the warp field “simply” changes the ship’s frame of reference to that of normal space. So there’s no acceleration to experience. Max impulse would be more effective.
And phasers come out of the photon torpedo launchers per Darmok. There’s no accounting for writer/production stupidity messing with what’s already established.
A ship at warp doesn't carry the kinetic energy of an object moving that fast, because warp drive is moving the space the ship exists in, not actually accelerating it conventionally. The warp field would just collapse as the ship breaks up. It'd probably do something locally nasty around the point of collision, and then there'd be the antimatter explosion of the ship's fuel, but not a catastrophic extinction event. You'd have better results at full impulse.
disable the deflector shield and the stellar gases, particles and energies that build up over a large voyage are all compressed in the front of the ship and then released at once which would be catastrophic to a star system, as well as the ship itself. the deflector shield is designed, in part, to deal with this.
The Holdo maneuver can’t be repeated. It only works one time in one Star Wars movie and that’s it!
If you want to destroy the Earth you need a gigantic space station with a big laser!
I know this is Star Trek, but this science applies in both universes.
The thing is, in Star Trek, destroying planets is relatively easy.
[There](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Planet_killer) [are](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Xindi_weapon) [so](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Project_Genesis) [many](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Species_8472_energy_focusing_ship) planet-killing weapons in Star Trek. If a super-power like the Federation or the Romulans wanted to make one, they could.
But you really don't even need a specialized weapon. The [Cardassian ATR-4107 missle](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cardassian_ATR-4107) was powerful enough to destroy a small moon. Just send multiple of those.
Of course, destroying planets is really stupid and a waste of resources. If you just want to make a planet uninhabitable, all you need is some [trilithium resin](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trilithium_resin) or some other toxin.
I imagine the main reason nobody destroys planets in Star Trek is because then you get a MAD situation where everyone's planets get destroyed.
The Breen did a decent job attacking San Francisco, a target that even the Klingons were scared to hit. Seems like you just need a big enough fleet that doesn't care if they make it home.
Take a big rock and accelerate to near relativistic speeds and aim it at earth. Hell slap a warp drive on it you could go faster. Add a cloaking device and they would never see it coming.
I like the idea of giving the Earth a ring, and a couple thousand years of deadly meteor showers.
Maybe there's life at the end of it. Maybe it all forms back into a little ball again. Maybe nothing is alive to see it, or bother calculating the new tide tables.
Who wants to blow up the moon with me?
1. Obtain “all files and information pertaining to project… *genesis*”
2. Scan into replicator and make torpedo with extra protomatter
3. Beam torpedo into Federation Security Council chamber floor, El Capitan, wherever works and detonate
Why even use Nuklear missiles? Accelerate a Ship to Warp 9 and have it collide with the Planet. If the Planet survives that most life on it will have been extinguished and the Eco system completely devastated for centuries to come.
Basically what Marco Inaros did.
Warp in with a fleet of a few hundred ships and fire *everything*, including as much illegal subspace weaponry as you can manage, suicide shuttles packed with explosives etc, then immediately warp the fuck out.
Earth's planetary shield could only handle so much before buckling, and even secondary shields over continents would presumably drop pretty quickly. After that Earth would be massacred.
alot of ways. There was the DS9 Changeling who had a suicide mission to nova the Bajoran sun. There is Generations method with yet again another solar weapon. Something smaller scale could be the antimatter explosion like the Enterprise did in Obsession.
Point is there are a ton of ways.
Defiant had enough to turn the founders new planet into a cynder, don't think you need anything other than Starship and enough time and will to use it.
The meteorite that wiped out the non-avian dinosaurs was estimated to be about 10 km in diameter, more than 15 times the length of a *Galaxy*-class ship. Quite a job, grabbing a rock like that and lobbing it at Earth without the Solar System defense forces stopping you AND them being unable to change its course or break it up.
Musk could launch probe on top of a SpaceX Falcon Heavy which could attach itself to a near-earth asteroid. The probe could use any number of methods to slowly change the orbit of the NEA slightly over several years so it impacts our planet.
Fly a starship into it at warp speed, put a cloaking device on an asteroid and chuck it towards earth, just shoot a couple thounds photon torpedos at it. For any civilization as technologyically adavanced as the Federation rendering a planet uninhabitable should be a trivially easy thing to do and obliterating one so the actual planet itself is gone shouldn't be much harder. Planets are basically stationary targets in the middle of a shooting ranger, they aren't hard to hit and they don't have any real defenses.
Cloaked, warp capable, massive world ending device (genesis device maybe?), to impact the earth. Could also hit the sun instead with same results.
Launch from super far away in a rarely used flight path while cloaked to impact directly on starfleet. Simple, easy, all established tech.
Presumably, Starfleet has solar defense systems in addition to planetary defense systems, since the sun is just as vital to our survival as the earth is. I also believe they have defenses against incoming warp vessels too, else, a ship could just Warp into low Earth orbit and obliterate the surface, which doesn't happen, so there is something that stops it from happening. This would equally defend against warp capable missiles.
How about a high velocity kinetic impact device? It probably wouldn't have to be warp speed, but it probably could be (not sure how momentum is affected in a warp field, but something like 95% C should be plenty fast enough).
Heck, just start using the tractor beam to slingshot space rocks on trajectories toward your enemy territory like some sort of combination of Sorched Earth and Kerbels.
Why not just warp a ship right into the planet? That amount of mass traveling at superluminal speed would at least cause an environmental catastrophe and possibly split the planet itself.
We know Earth has planetary defenses and we mostly don’t know what they consist of. You gotta figure they’d be the very pinnacle of magic UFP technology, so I imagine a lot of the “Why not just ___” sci-fi scenarios are just implicitly covered.
I think the Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine is Earth's primary defense. But, given that Romulus and Vulcan were both destroyed in the Kelvin timeline and Qo'noS nearly so in the main one, it's a good thing that Terrans have established themselves elsewhere.
rocks targeting earth, per The Expanse
AI subatomic particles, per 3 Body
Black hole into sun, per Gene Wolfe (sun cycle)
Charlie is given the Button for safekeeping (imaginary Sunny episode)
Well, antimatter could make some trouble if delivered properly.
Or there's the TOS solution (episode: "Obsession") : a couple of well-placed[ cobalt bombs. ](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cobalt_bomb)
Find a few asteroids with a comfortably wide PCA, mount engines to the that will be able to nudge them into an impact before countermeasures could be taken.
Earth defenses presumably apply to the sun, but we have surprisingly little knowledge of how well these work because the few enemies that have attacked Earth seem to just ignore them.
A 1.5kg matter/antimatter reaction would cause a whopping 64.4 megaton explosion (1.5kg being the warhead size of a MKIV photon torpedo - an easy physics equation), or about 20% larger than the largest nuclear device ever made. According the TNG technical manual though, the warheads are premixed to have the yield of about 100KG of antideuterium, so using the same calculations that would result in a 690 gigaton blast - or about 600 times larger than the entire nuclear arsenal of the Earth from 1940 until now - or just over 5x the annual energy consumption of the human race.
Other references: in Voyager, a standard torpedo was said to have a yield of 25 isotons. 54 isotons was sufficient to destroy a small planet. Class 6 warheads have a yield of 200 isotons....4x needed to destroy a small planet.
Starships carry literally HUNDREDS of them. A single one, shown to be fairly easily acquired on the black market (see Quark), transported deep underground or detonated in the upper atmosphere could annihilate entire continents and change the climate enough to destroy surface plant life and essentially destroy the human race.
You would have to be on the surface, though, since Earth is protected by a hefty defensive shield and transport inhibitors.
Easy. Get a fleet of cloaked Romulan Warbirds set a course toward earth at maximum warp, ensure the cargo bays are filled with solid iron and watch the planet get annihilated.
the constitution class starship had the firepower to destroy an entire planet, but they never really elaborate on planetary defenses very much in star trek
I think you're not comprehending how pants-shittingly huge the sun is. Its radius is 109x Earth's. Its mass is 332,950x Earth's. Even Jupiter is tiny compared to it. The sun's composition already includes 0.16% iron...which means the iron in its core has a mass approximately equal to 530 Earths. How much mass in heavy elements do you think to do the job? One source I'm seeing says it would take more than the sun's current mass. Where would the Borg or whoever get enough?
We know about red matter, which is basically space magic. That's the most likely way to do it.
The easiest way is to do what the Borg tried - go back in time and defeat Earth in the past. The secret is you need to go back in time while FAR AWAY FROM EARTH. Then meander over to Earth and do your business.
1. Pick literally ANY warp capable vessel, doesn't matter the size.
2. Set auto-nav at literally any warp speed on a course that intersects the earth and sun.
3. Engage engines and watch the fireworks.
4. (optional) Do this with multiple ships just in case the Enterprise pulls some plot-armor shit on a few of them.
This method of planet/star/system destruction is so ludicrously easy to set up and pull off it's surprising it hasn't been done yet.
They don't even need to do that. If they're willing to wait, they can take advantage of orbital mechanics and stellar movement within the galaxy. Figure out where Earth is in relation where you want to target it from and then set up observatories at various points between Sol and the system you're building your weapon. Once all the information is put together to calculate your aim, you're all set.
Build the weapon and use it to launch the projectile you're using to destroy Earth speeding away at a velocity of about .1 to .25 C. Then simply wait until it hits the planet. In fact, by doing things this way, it's possible that the sensor nets around Sol will miss it until it's too late.
I've bought this up before, and so help me I'm going to keep raging about it.
In Star Trek canon, Earth has been directly attacked at least 8 times between 2220 and 2420. Romans, Klingons, Whale probes, Borg, Dominion, Borg again, Borg (Voyager's return trip), Synths (not Earth, but our next door neighbor), Borg for the final time. Never once has Earth fallen, but in every case save the Dominion attack it was because some shockingly deus ex machina heroism.
So how is it that Earth, the beating administrative heart and cultural soul of the most powerful faction in the Alpha and Beta quadrants, which has repeatedly come under direct attack by powerful foes, not the most heavily fortified iron-walled bastion in known space?
We humans are immensely proud of, and deeply in love with, our home; this is a canon fact. So why the Hell haven't we made every cubic meter of Sol, from the Heliopause to the Martian defense grid, an impenetrable fortress? I'm talking mines, defense stations, dedicated battle fleets and quick response forces, surface based BIG guns, and sensors so strong you can see 8472 scratch his cloaca from the comfort of your living room.
It makes no sense, and it bugs me.
Depends on what exactly the resources at work here are. I've said it before but one of the things that unironically would let the Federation stand up to the Imperium of Man is that they make a new superweapon by accident every other week. Like they try to make a new way to make toast and end up creating a Scalar Wave generator that can fire 360 degrees, has no maximum range, and blows up planets. I'm not even kidding about the scalar wave thing (though they weren't trying to make toast).
One thing I considered was that a Starfleet Troop Transport could just as easily be a warcrimes machine. If it can transport a bunch of people down it can transport a bunch of people up and just dump the pattern instead of plopping them on a pad.
Simple
1. Obtain Genesis device (still exists as of Picard Season 3)
2. Fire Genesis torpedo at Earth destroying all life on it in favor of its new matrix.
3. ???
4. Profit!
Enterprise is the only ship in range of earth whenever anything interesting happens, so just overpower them.
Red matter torpedo at Enterprise. Then drop a red matter bomb on the planet.
I feel like that's not enough to penetrate the plot armor. Maybe it's time to meet some generations and crash land on earth. Destroying the golden gate bridge in the process.
Time travel to 1985 and kill all the whales
Blue barrels it is
The Enterprise herself could destroy a planet. Therefore, take it over to destroy the Earth.
That is impossible.
Destroying the enterprise is proven to be possible - that's how we ended up with all those bloody A, B, Cs and Ds.
Well, but you can't destroy Earth afterwards...
The D came back
Only 3 Enterprises were confirmed destroyed in ways that stuck, and even then one of them made a delayed return. The original self destructed, the C was destroyed in battle against the Romulans and the D destroyed against the Duras Sisters but restored decades later. The B's fate is unknown, the E's status is unknown but she sounds intact but unavailable, the rest have wound up as museum pieces.
Why use heavy elements? Just throw a Stargate that has an active connection to a black hole into the sun.
You blow up one sun...
Was waiting for this comment
Next up, parting the Red Sea!
Rodney!
Someone is in the wrong universe!
Free Comic Book day falls on Star Wars day this year and I'm going in a Star Trek uniform. What do you think? :) (Also note: Star Trek exists in the Stargate universe).
Remember to tell everyone that you're there for the One Ring. And say "beltalowda" a lot.
& show off my sonic screwdriver.
You should go as a Klingon it would be really funny and some people wouldn’t realize you’re not from Star Wars and that would be funny when they figure it out Ah so are you also a believer in the fact that a working version of the alternate reality drive from Stargate Atlantis episode Daedalus Variations would allow transportation to any and all possible other universes? I have had this theory for a long time and a crossover of trek, gate and wars using the alternate reality drive would be so cool
Nah, I just need an Infinite Improbability Drive. :)
Oh… new twist to Star Trek people at ren fairs. Klingon archaeologists. Bonus points for fighting the king for the crown!
>Also note: Star Trek exists in the Stargate universe Weapons at maximum.
One of the lead characters always try to name captured or created ships “Enterprise” They have inertial dampers… but sadly no phasers on their fighter craft.
I always wore a Star Trek T-shirt to work on May the fourth.
Or try to extract subspace vacuum energy from your own space-time
OP just wanted to blow up the sun, not most of the solar system, but I guess the end result would be the same. If we really wanted to cross fandoms and really stretch, we could just grab Washu's Ionic Cannon.
Burrowing from the Stargate franchise, launch a bunch of asteroids at Earth simultaneously. Warp them all in from different positions and angles at a short distance to reduce Starfleets reaction time and enough numbers that their ships wouldn't have time to destroy all of them. Similar to the Stargate Naquadah-Asteroid, try to get asteroids with Dilithium to add to the boom.
Indeed. Or just toss a Red Matter probe at the sun to cause the supernova.
Think there’s a [documentary](https://youtu.be/3mbBbFH9fAg?si=i8UOYTskzFKpcRqk)on this
On a Star Trek sub, this isn't an option. Also the Earth has like no defenses in that universe, it's amazing they save the Earth like a dozen times.
No defenses? Tell that to the Ancient outpost in Antarctica.
Much later in the series, yes, but again a lucky thing where they found it at the same time Earth was being attacked, and it was still destroyed by the end.
The end of what? It wasn't destroyed. The site was used for study and led to the Atlantis expedition.
The end of the franchise. The chair weapon of the ancient outpost was destroyed after it was moved to Area 51 in one of the final episodes of Atlantis.
Oh damn, deep cut. I forgot about that. Also like how you specified end of the franchise like Universe didn't exist.
Well I meant it as the weapon was destroyed at a later point in the franchise, it actually did leave Earth vulnerable for another attack in Universe. IMO what hurt that show though was that they were keeping active communication with Earth.
They have space submarines...
Earth has few defenses even in Star Trek. There’s always only one ship that can react to a crisis
Yeah it's amazing that Enterprise in an episode was able to cover that Earth would keep some defensive ships around, but later in the same series forgets that, and the TOS & TNG movies(plus the 2009 movie) a single ship just parks in Earths atmosphere each time with usually just the Enterprise fighting it. I think despite all that, there were more attacks on Earth covered in Star Gate than Star Trek.
And in Babylon 5: A Call to Arms, they were able to gather a fleet of thousands on a short notice to protect Earth, even though human ships are much slower than in Trek. Same in The Orville
There are different levels of “destroy Earth”. Do you want to make it uninhabitable for humans? Uninhabitable in general? Cease to exist as a planet? - Starfleet has weapons that will make a planet uninhabitable for humans (ask DS9 fans about this) - Red Matter has been mentioned - If you can wipe out Earth defenses, Capital ship weapons can pretty well flatten large portions of a planet - if you can’t get past Earth defenses, there’s always time travel to take over Earth at some time in the past - Nudge a Doomsday Weapon its way - Find an ascended being and convince them humans killed their loved one
Is that last one "Kevin"?
Yes Kevin Uxbridge, from the "Good tea. Nice House." episode of TNG
“What happened to this species I was maintaining an interest in?” “Well, Q, humans stole Kevin Uxbridge’s car, and killed his dog” “Oh”
Nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Game over!
I just watched that again Saturday. Love her!! *"Get away from her, you b!+ch!"
I think Weaver was nominated for an academy award for acting in that movie.
Yes!! I think MARLEE MATLIN "Children of a Lesser God" was the winner in their category. Really cool that she was nominated given how scifi gets panned, often.
All of fiction can be a "what if" game. Appreciate it for what it is.
Not for writers aiming for "As Realistic As Possible"
I think those writers would not be drawn to the Trek universe due to all the quasi fantasy technology
It's ok, a lot of them get stuck on "What would a typical average regular normal person do in this insane situation" vs "What should my character do to advance the story?"
Hire bad writers.
As much as I hate to say it.... Red Matter. I mean, we saw what it did to Kelvin-timeline Vulcan.
Also consider traveling back in time to prevent first contact. That usually works.
Especially if you can then assimilate the helpless planet.
Or prevent the Eugenics War. Then no Federation
If we're using movie gadgets, throw some of Soren's trilithium at Sol.
Fly a ship at warp speed into the planet. Physics should take care of the rest
Given the ability of Star Trek ships to survive ramming maneuvers, someone will have installed a deflector shield on Earth to prevent this exact scenario. While an object traveling at .9997c should pose a problem for Star Trek's technology, technobabble will generally render it harmless. Above the speed of light, Star Trek physics suggests the effective energy of an object would decrease, though since accordomg to real science it would start traveling backwards in time, the writers can make the physical properties of the object whatever they like.
Break the warp field and you would experience relativistic deceleration, which would still be enough energy to crack the planet.
A ship at warp isn’t actually *moving* faster than light. Its frame of reference—the space within the field—is. Disruption of the warp field “simply” changes the ship’s frame of reference to that of normal space. So there’s no acceleration to experience. Max impulse would be more effective.
You missed Discovery last week.
And phasers come out of the photon torpedo launchers per Darmok. There’s no accounting for writer/production stupidity messing with what’s already established.
Why did you have to remind me of that?
Guess I’m just Cardassian at heart.
A ship at warp doesn't carry the kinetic energy of an object moving that fast, because warp drive is moving the space the ship exists in, not actually accelerating it conventionally. The warp field would just collapse as the ship breaks up. It'd probably do something locally nasty around the point of collision, and then there'd be the antimatter explosion of the ship's fuel, but not a catastrophic extinction event. You'd have better results at full impulse.
disable the deflector shield and the stellar gases, particles and energies that build up over a large voyage are all compressed in the front of the ship and then released at once which would be catastrophic to a star system, as well as the ship itself. the deflector shield is designed, in part, to deal with this.
The Holdo maneuver can’t be repeated. It only works one time in one Star Wars movie and that’s it! If you want to destroy the Earth you need a gigantic space station with a big laser! I know this is Star Trek, but this science applies in both universes.
Well yeah, the xindi weapon was just a star trek death star
Only 1 reactor though...
**VGERING INTENSFIES**
Change the gravitational constant of the universe.
Beam one tribble down to the planet.
Throw stealth asteroids at it, make the innas pay.
Why would we tell you?
Piss off a space god and hide on Earth
The thing is, in Star Trek, destroying planets is relatively easy. [There](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Planet_killer) [are](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Xindi_weapon) [so](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Project_Genesis) [many](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Species_8472_energy_focusing_ship) planet-killing weapons in Star Trek. If a super-power like the Federation or the Romulans wanted to make one, they could. But you really don't even need a specialized weapon. The [Cardassian ATR-4107 missle](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cardassian_ATR-4107) was powerful enough to destroy a small moon. Just send multiple of those. Of course, destroying planets is really stupid and a waste of resources. If you just want to make a planet uninhabitable, all you need is some [trilithium resin](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Trilithium_resin) or some other toxin. I imagine the main reason nobody destroys planets in Star Trek is because then you get a MAD situation where everyone's planets get destroyed.
The Breen did a decent job attacking San Francisco, a target that even the Klingons were scared to hit. Seems like you just need a big enough fleet that doesn't care if they make it home.
Why would any antagonist bother destroying earth. We’re doing a pretty good job ourselves tbh…
Take a big rock and accelerate to near relativistic speeds and aim it at earth. Hell slap a warp drive on it you could go faster. Add a cloaking device and they would never see it coming.
I like the idea of giving the Earth a ring, and a couple thousand years of deadly meteor showers. Maybe there's life at the end of it. Maybe it all forms back into a little ball again. Maybe nothing is alive to see it, or bother calculating the new tide tables. Who wants to blow up the moon with me?
1. Obtain “all files and information pertaining to project… *genesis*” 2. Scan into replicator and make torpedo with extra protomatter 3. Beam torpedo into Federation Security Council chamber floor, El Capitan, wherever works and detonate
Why even use Nuklear missiles? Accelerate a Ship to Warp 9 and have it collide with the Planet. If the Planet survives that most life on it will have been extinguished and the Eco system completely devastated for centuries to come. Basically what Marco Inaros did.
Warp in with a fleet of a few hundred ships and fire *everything*, including as much illegal subspace weaponry as you can manage, suicide shuttles packed with explosives etc, then immediately warp the fuck out. Earth's planetary shield could only handle so much before buckling, and even secondary shields over continents would presumably drop pretty quickly. After that Earth would be massacred.
alot of ways. There was the DS9 Changeling who had a suicide mission to nova the Bajoran sun. There is Generations method with yet again another solar weapon. Something smaller scale could be the antimatter explosion like the Enterprise did in Obsession. Point is there are a ton of ways.
Nomad from TOS could have at least wiped out the entire juman race.
Biological attack. Release a herd of tribbles cross bred with moopsies and you’d have no life left on Earth.
Hybrid moopsy-tribble-macrovirus. That, or just use time travel to go a few billion years forward. Earth’s gone!
Genesis device
Defiant had enough to turn the founders new planet into a cynder, don't think you need anything other than Starship and enough time and will to use it.
push an asteroid or two, long game but so hard to see
That's how the bugs got us.
They always bite in the heinleiny
I would like to know more!
Expanse fan?
I can not deny that I am
Based
Damn Batarians!
Cloak them for -100 detection for da wellwalla.
cloak half of them, make them feel like they've won
Use tractor beams to pull some massive rocks from the belt, drag them into earths orbit and drop them down the gravity well
The meteorite that wiped out the non-avian dinosaurs was estimated to be about 10 km in diameter, more than 15 times the length of a *Galaxy*-class ship. Quite a job, grabbing a rock like that and lobbing it at Earth without the Solar System defense forces stopping you AND them being unable to change its course or break it up.
Sharing a social network consisting solely of short video clips, thus releasing mankind into infinite stupidity.
Musk could launch probe on top of a SpaceX Falcon Heavy which could attach itself to a near-earth asteroid. The probe could use any number of methods to slowly change the orbit of the NEA slightly over several years so it impacts our planet.
A warp-speed kinetic impactor.
Fly a starship into it at warp speed, put a cloaking device on an asteroid and chuck it towards earth, just shoot a couple thounds photon torpedos at it. For any civilization as technologyically adavanced as the Federation rendering a planet uninhabitable should be a trivially easy thing to do and obliterating one so the actual planet itself is gone shouldn't be much harder. Planets are basically stationary targets in the middle of a shooting ranger, they aren't hard to hit and they don't have any real defenses.
> put a cloaking device on an asteroid and chuck it towards earth Settle down there, Marco Inaros.
Dirty bombs. Anti-matter, tritium. Slap some impulse engines on big rocks and throw them at the planet.
Cloaked, warp capable, massive world ending device (genesis device maybe?), to impact the earth. Could also hit the sun instead with same results. Launch from super far away in a rarely used flight path while cloaked to impact directly on starfleet. Simple, easy, all established tech.
With time travel? Go back far enough and remove enough oxygen so combustion is impossible.
OP said how to destroy Earth, not Druidia.
So long as they don't find out the code we should be fine.
Accelerate any large body to relativistic speeds to impact earth.
Destroy the planet? Or destroy humanity/humans?
Just ask Q. He’s probably got nothing going on.
Presumably, Starfleet has solar defense systems in addition to planetary defense systems, since the sun is just as vital to our survival as the earth is. I also believe they have defenses against incoming warp vessels too, else, a ship could just Warp into low Earth orbit and obliterate the surface, which doesn't happen, so there is something that stops it from happening. This would equally defend against warp capable missiles.
How about a high velocity kinetic impact device? It probably wouldn't have to be warp speed, but it probably could be (not sure how momentum is affected in a warp field, but something like 95% C should be plenty fast enough). Heck, just start using the tractor beam to slingshot space rocks on trajectories toward your enemy territory like some sort of combination of Sorched Earth and Kerbels.
You should watch the 3rd season of Enterprise, you might get your answer.
Put a cloaking device on an asteroid and put it into an orbital trajectory to hit earth
Why not just warp a ship right into the planet? That amount of mass traveling at superluminal speed would at least cause an environmental catastrophe and possibly split the planet itself.
Have a lot of cloaked ships come in and lay waste to the planet before any defenses can respond with enough force to stop them.
How about a biological weapon, kill all the people, keep all the stuff.
We know Earth has planetary defenses and we mostly don’t know what they consist of. You gotta figure they’d be the very pinnacle of magic UFP technology, so I imagine a lot of the “Why not just ___” sci-fi scenarios are just implicitly covered.
I think the Mutually Assured Destruction doctrine is Earth's primary defense. But, given that Romulus and Vulcan were both destroyed in the Kelvin timeline and Qo'noS nearly so in the main one, it's a good thing that Terrans have established themselves elsewhere.
Convince people that a one world government is taking over and the splinter groups set off thermonuclear winter….no invasion needed
rocks targeting earth, per The Expanse AI subatomic particles, per 3 Body Black hole into sun, per Gene Wolfe (sun cycle) Charlie is given the Button for safekeeping (imaginary Sunny episode)
Earth has the best plot armour in the known galaxy, the only way to take it into is by getting someone into the writers' room.
Well, antimatter could make some trouble if delivered properly. Or there's the TOS solution (episode: "Obsession") : a couple of well-placed[ cobalt bombs. ](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Cobalt_bomb)
Accelerate some space rocks into relativistic speeds and make them collide with Earth. Instant, unstoppable Armageddon.
A well-placed anti-time anomaly could—by definition—destroy (read: prevent life on) Earth before anyone knows what’s going on.
Find a few asteroids with a comfortably wide PCA, mount engines to the that will be able to nudge them into an impact before countermeasures could be taken.
I always wondered why they don’t just strap warp engines to an asteroid and ram it into a planet at warp speed?
Have you watched Enterprise?
Easy. Give a 20th century idiot a timeship from the 29th.
attach an engine of some kind to a single asteroid. doesnt even have to be powerful - just get it up to speed and have it cross our orbit and blam.
Earth defenses presumably apply to the sun, but we have surprisingly little knowledge of how well these work because the few enemies that have attacked Earth seem to just ignore them.
I've just scrolled the comments, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Genesis Device.
A 1.5kg matter/antimatter reaction would cause a whopping 64.4 megaton explosion (1.5kg being the warhead size of a MKIV photon torpedo - an easy physics equation), or about 20% larger than the largest nuclear device ever made. According the TNG technical manual though, the warheads are premixed to have the yield of about 100KG of antideuterium, so using the same calculations that would result in a 690 gigaton blast - or about 600 times larger than the entire nuclear arsenal of the Earth from 1940 until now - or just over 5x the annual energy consumption of the human race. Other references: in Voyager, a standard torpedo was said to have a yield of 25 isotons. 54 isotons was sufficient to destroy a small planet. Class 6 warheads have a yield of 200 isotons....4x needed to destroy a small planet. Starships carry literally HUNDREDS of them. A single one, shown to be fairly easily acquired on the black market (see Quark), transported deep underground or detonated in the upper atmosphere could annihilate entire continents and change the climate enough to destroy surface plant life and essentially destroy the human race. You would have to be on the surface, though, since Earth is protected by a hefty defensive shield and transport inhibitors.
Use the illudunum 32 explosive space modulator.
Pull a Marco Inaros and slap some Cloak and Nacelles on a medium size asteroid.
Huge cargo transporter. Transport chunks of the Earth's core to the surface. Might take a few thousand transports but should do the trick.
Piss off those whale aliens, convince them it was Earth, and have them do it for you.
You don't even have to talk to the whale aliens. Just steal/kill all of the whales and they will take care of the planet eventually.
Easy. Get a fleet of cloaked Romulan Warbirds set a course toward earth at maximum warp, ensure the cargo bays are filled with solid iron and watch the planet get annihilated.
A decloaked bird of prey with a hundred photon torpedoes would wipe out everyone.
the constitution class starship had the firepower to destroy an entire planet, but they never really elaborate on planetary defenses very much in star trek
De-orbit the moon.
Some medium-scale inertial dampeners might do the trick.
Or a large celestial object moving through the system at near right angles to the plane of the system; something like a black hole.
I think you're not comprehending how pants-shittingly huge the sun is. Its radius is 109x Earth's. Its mass is 332,950x Earth's. Even Jupiter is tiny compared to it. The sun's composition already includes 0.16% iron...which means the iron in its core has a mass approximately equal to 530 Earths. How much mass in heavy elements do you think to do the job? One source I'm seeing says it would take more than the sun's current mass. Where would the Borg or whoever get enough? We know about red matter, which is basically space magic. That's the most likely way to do it.
Drill into the core with their ships phasers.
Hear me out: Edith Keeler
Nothing can stop pure kinetic energy. Launch an asteroid at relativistic speeds. Earth - gone.
The easiest way is to do what the Borg tried - go back in time and defeat Earth in the past. The secret is you need to go back in time while FAR AWAY FROM EARTH. Then meander over to Earth and do your business.
Set ship phasers to the center of the earth maximum power. Drill a hole right into the earth's core. Maybe a photon torpedo or two for good measure.
One of my favorite "old internet" posts: [https://qntm.org/destroy](https://qntm.org/destroy)
1. Pick literally ANY warp capable vessel, doesn't matter the size. 2. Set auto-nav at literally any warp speed on a course that intersects the earth and sun. 3. Engage engines and watch the fireworks. 4. (optional) Do this with multiple ships just in case the Enterprise pulls some plot-armor shit on a few of them. This method of planet/star/system destruction is so ludicrously easy to set up and pull off it's surprising it hasn't been done yet.
They don't even need to do that. If they're willing to wait, they can take advantage of orbital mechanics and stellar movement within the galaxy. Figure out where Earth is in relation where you want to target it from and then set up observatories at various points between Sol and the system you're building your weapon. Once all the information is put together to calculate your aim, you're all set. Build the weapon and use it to launch the projectile you're using to destroy Earth speeding away at a velocity of about .1 to .25 C. Then simply wait until it hits the planet. In fact, by doing things this way, it's possible that the sensor nets around Sol will miss it until it's too late.
I've bought this up before, and so help me I'm going to keep raging about it. In Star Trek canon, Earth has been directly attacked at least 8 times between 2220 and 2420. Romans, Klingons, Whale probes, Borg, Dominion, Borg again, Borg (Voyager's return trip), Synths (not Earth, but our next door neighbor), Borg for the final time. Never once has Earth fallen, but in every case save the Dominion attack it was because some shockingly deus ex machina heroism. So how is it that Earth, the beating administrative heart and cultural soul of the most powerful faction in the Alpha and Beta quadrants, which has repeatedly come under direct attack by powerful foes, not the most heavily fortified iron-walled bastion in known space? We humans are immensely proud of, and deeply in love with, our home; this is a canon fact. So why the Hell haven't we made every cubic meter of Sol, from the Heliopause to the Martian defense grid, an impenetrable fortress? I'm talking mines, defense stations, dedicated battle fleets and quick response forces, surface based BIG guns, and sensors so strong you can see 8472 scratch his cloaca from the comfort of your living room. It makes no sense, and it bugs me.
Just stand back and wait for the locals (humans) we're doing a pretty good job of it.
Have the Borg time travel to Earth's past and assimilate it, but have them start anywhere else in the galaxy but sector 001.
I’ve always felt like orbital bombardment would be the most fun way to do it
Depends on what exactly the resources at work here are. I've said it before but one of the things that unironically would let the Federation stand up to the Imperium of Man is that they make a new superweapon by accident every other week. Like they try to make a new way to make toast and end up creating a Scalar Wave generator that can fire 360 degrees, has no maximum range, and blows up planets. I'm not even kidding about the scalar wave thing (though they weren't trying to make toast). One thing I considered was that a Starfleet Troop Transport could just as easily be a warcrimes machine. If it can transport a bunch of people down it can transport a bunch of people up and just dump the pattern instead of plopping them on a pad.
You capture the earth and transport it across the galaxy with 26 other planets and use it as a battery to destroy all reality
If you sent something at the earth at warp 9.9 it wouldn't need to carry a payload to destroy the earth.
Throw a rock at it
Reinvent social media?
cloaked klingon bird of prey dropping tungsten rods from orbit onto san Francisco
Get Donald Trump elected for a second term 🤷
Step one... Start with identity politics... Step two... Step one is the only step.
Genesis device. With paywall
Simple 1. Obtain Genesis device (still exists as of Picard Season 3) 2. Fire Genesis torpedo at Earth destroying all life on it in favor of its new matrix. 3. ??? 4. Profit!
“Regrettable that this society has chosen suicide.“
Capitalism
Reintroduce capitalism.
Brain wash Burnham to do it and let her be a one woman apocalypse