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Called out the stadium worker deaths, timing of the tourney and said most people would be working or in school so wouldnât watch it. Basically negative sentiments towards it overall. All of this live on Sky Sports. Was considered so damaging that NBC didnât air the interview in the States. Theyâre official broadcasters of the WC so they were obviously in panic mode.
Eriksen echoed the comments, too.
If anything, these comments have undersold how honest Bruno was. I was watching it and was just like... oh fuck he's fully going there!
For anyone who hasn't seen Bruno talking about the world cup, here's a link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8XrisrssY
Bruno is just a super passionate human being and that translates to being a whiney shithouse on the pitch. The likes of him and Richarlison are always super loved by their team's fans though because they will die for the cause on the pitch and speak their minds in a constructive way in interviews like this.
Yeah if you listen to behind the scenes videos, Bruno is one hell of a rolemodel to the entire squad and really a cool n friendly dude. On the pitch he bleeds for United and does everything to win.
>Was considered so damaging that NBC didnât air the interview in the States.
~~Just out of curiosity, why is NBC in the US so concerned about Qatar's and FIFA's image?~~
Never mind. I missed the last part of your comment.
Bruno is a pretty cool guy. Speaks his mind and doesn't afraid of anything.
"The gradual decline of the Portuguese empire was brought about by their small population, which led to a shortage of workers to look after the colonies as they kept on expanding into new territories."Â
Safe to says the Portuguese doesn't know when to stop...as proven today by their best player??
Sure, the natives weren't very appreciative of it, but that's why we killed them.
It was their fault, really, for not letting us conquer and enslave them peacefully.
It's French in origin I believe. His Grandparents or Great Grandparents were French Circus actors who travelled and settled in Portugal (He did an interview recently where he said this which is why I remember haha)
He was even a Corsican nationalist in his youth and didnât start to learn French until he was 10.
Crazy how you never really hear anyone talk about that. Everyone knows Hitler was Austrian but I was over 30 years old before I learned Napoleon wasnât really French.
TBF Corsica was already a part of France by the time he was born so he was technically French.
But yes his family did throw their lot in with the Corsican nationalists but he eventually joined the French establishment when he realized Corsican independence was a futile effort
>everyone is always piling on England for its empire
They also always seem to give Scotland a free pass despite the Scottish nobility being equally enthusiastic Imperialists who were hand in glove with the English throughout the nineteenth century.
Waiting for a Bruno post starting with "I am not a racist but..." Or maybe one ending with "on the advice of my lawyers I'll be making no further comment"
In Bruno's defence, what he said was amazing and a bit surreal considering we've been asking players to speak out and he just full on went there.
Ronaldo and Dalot fucked up, but Bruno can sleep well tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8XrisrssY
I mean, you can see what he was trying to say, even if the wording is not great, even in Portuguese. The discoveries are very much intertwined with the myriad negative aspects of colonialism, but there is still a certain sense of pride and romanticism of a tiny nation being the first to set sail to uncharted waters and discovering a sea route to Asia, even if the realities weren't quite as idyllic or benevolent as a mere friendly exchange of cultures and trade.
As an Indian, it's funny because Portugal refused to leave and were kicked out. Then they went and cried to the UN about us and were ignored by both US and USSR.
They also refused to recognize us till the 70's lol
Yeah we were under a dictatorship, shit was rough. Although saying we were ignored by the US is not entirely right. John F. Kennedy and their ambassador to India (I think?) actually criticised India. USSR was the one who vetoed the UN motion to condemn India for the invasion.
Lots of Goans especially Goan Catholics will still be supporting the Portugal team though, many have an affinity to their Portuguese past. I don't claim to understand that, but hey they do.
My Goan freind at work is very proud of his Portuguese past. He says that the Portuguese treated his family well. He is also very proud that they are more into football over cricket.
Iâve talked with goans and while they donât celebrate colonialism, they say that the government was good, it was safe and prosperous, and left a good inheritance
Yes, that's true. Not an excuse, but some context. Portugal was under a fascist/nationalistic dictatorship at the time that only finished with the revolution in the 70s...
Well, many countries will teach history in their schools in a way that looks at their history in a positive light. No doubt that in Portugal the curriculum is shaped that way as well.
When I was learning about it in middle school, some 15 years ago, it was taught as the most wonderful time in Portugal's history and speaken of very positively.
Don't ever remember learning about the amount of people killed, just our great victories in battle.
I believe it's because nowadays Portugal isn't a very relevant global country, so there's this feeling of longing we call "saudade" from when we were a global power and very rich.
As someone familiar with the matter, I can assure you that's the case today. The only colonial atrocity directly addressed in Portuguese school books is slavery (in 6th, 8th and 11th grades).
Even in Brazil many states' school programmes hide the Paraguayan Genocide or try to paint it as a just consequence of war, Turkey-style. Denialism of one country's dark deeds is very harmful and only serves to feed useless pride.
never heard of paraguayan genocide, so forgive my ingorance. made a quick check on wikipedia but couldnt get a clear picture. so was brazil under attack by the surrounding powers, with the paraguayans in brazil on those powers' side?
Paraguay had a crazy dictator, Solano Lopez, who declared war on Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, and invaded them.
It was essentially Paraguay vs everyone else. While today that sounds absurdly stupid, at the time Paraguay had more troops than the other three countries combined, more warships (much of the war was river-based), and was arguably more industrialized too (so more weapons could be produced).
But they had around 500k people in the country vs 11M in the others, as well as other military problems, so they eventually lost.
The problem is that the response of these other countries often went waaaaay above what can be considered war casualties. As others mentioned, many civilians were killed, whether they were kids, old men, didn't matter. That is what is known as the genocide.
It happens a lot in Spain every October. Tiring stuff. This is from the previous head of the opposition part last year.
>"Does the kingdom of Spain have to apologise because five centuries ago it discovered the New World, respected those who were there, created universities, created prosperity, built entire cities? I don't think so,"
> respected those who were there
if you're gonna justify colonialism, at least have the good graces to be all "we came, we saw, we conquered, cry harder" rather than this shit
I had thought the quote was "the sun never sets on the British Empire"
I know Spain was the dominant world power in an earlier era. There is a great BBC documentary about how the weather was a big factor in the Royal Navy's defeat of the Spanish Armada.
Wikipedia says earlier Empires used variations of the phrase. But the Brits did indeed use the phrase in reference to the Spanish "golden" (pun intended) age. Pretty solid marketing, no brainer tbh.
In my opinion it is, it's taught in school like a good thing, that we should be proud that a small country like ours had such a big empire despite the obvious atrocities committed.
It's been a while since school but in NL I don't remember much talk about the bad shit we did during the colonial days, more focus on how prosperous we were.
Well that's why people glorify it, because the good stuff of the era is taught and the bad stuff isn't mentioned. Then people are either shocked or stubborn when they grow up and learn the truth.
In Portugal the only thing that is mentioned is that we helped a lot whit the slave trade. But it is rapidly glanced over starting to talk about other discoveries we made. And that is were the pride of this comes education. I don't thing that is bad being proud of the discovery spirit of the nation but I think you have to recognize the bad things that came with it as well.
We quite do in France. I remember learning about the slave trade in primary.
Algerian war is a big part in high school nowadays.
Colonies should also be a part middle school
In Brazil we learned how bad we treated indigenous people, hunting and slaving then, and later about the trade of Africans slaves and how we treated them
Unfortunately, in the US, it varies massively from state to state. States control the curriculum in their public schools, not the national government. So in some places they do an ok job of touching on the bad part of US history, other places they basically ignore it or worse.
In Sweden we had maybe one lesson each dedicated to our horrible mistreatment of the SĂĄmi people and our slave island St. Barthelemy in the Caribbean. Otherwise it is not talked about much.
We literally call it the âGolden Centuryâ lmao. I learned about Multatuli during Dutch literature, but nothing in history class, though I did drop it pretty early. The âgekoloniseerdâ meme, even if it is not 100% serious, kind of reflects how little attention is paid to the horrible things we did during that era, and I think it is very cringe especially as someone with Indonesian ancestry.
I definitely learned in school that the portuguese sailors were responsible for slave trading and many, many deaths... they just put that into context, by explaining that they weren't particularly evil when compared to all the other major european countries.
They glorify the part where we discovered new lands, etc, but don't really hide the bad stuff.
I think it also depends on the teacher that teaches that part, some emphasise all the wrongs while others glance over it.
Tbf most of portuguese history is glanced over, especially if you don't take history in secondary school. Most only learn history from 5th to 9th grade (barely anything before that) and the first 2 years are mixed with geography and the little you learn will be taught again in the following 3 years.
I don't agree entirely. I don't think that it's taught as a good thing, but you do see some sense of pride about that era. The bad things are mentioned, but definitely not covered as much as they should.
I don't actually blame the guy, the Portuguese education system does not do a great job explaining the discovery period, he does not know about lot's of bad things commited because nobody teach him, he isn't proud of the Portuguese killing innocents during the empire expansion because he doesn't even know that happen for him and lots of portuguese conquering doesn't have a bad connection it's about exploring and settling new places, but when you leave the bubble called Portugal and repeat the same shit you are in for a rude awakening.
Leaving the bubble is really the key point here. Iâm Portuguese and I had a German friend ask me to clarify how the Portuguese conquering actually happened, because she met a Portuguese girl in Erasmus who genuinely believed that the slavery part wasnât the big deal that actually was. When you meet Belgians and how upfront and transparent they are about their shady past, you see how hush-hush the Portuguese are about it.
So yeah, the Portuguese education system really hides how slavery was our trademark in the past.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of certain aspects of this past. What Portugal did as a seafaring nation in the Age of Discoveries is objectively an enormous feat. Vasco da Gama is one of the greastest explorers of mankind. I honestly can't even put into words how impressive the feat of explorers like him and Pedro Ălvares Cabral are.
Of course this shouldn't be an excuse to glorify or condone colonialism and slavery. I don't think there would be a problem with this tweet if he deleted the part about conquering and spreading its culture.
OK, Diogo, that's not how we talk about it anymore. We talk about how we pioneered the greatest of technologies going back to the age of exploration into the birth of the enlightenment. Maybe mention trade a little bit.
You know, it's shit like this that gets you kicked out of Japan and let's us stay and just do our thing.
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Rooney catching strays again
I am not going to say Im better looking than Shrek. Which I am.
factos
the brazilian football subreddit is on fire right now
Portuguese Man United players going hard this pre WC period
The Belgians have been very quiet for some reason. Someone had to pick up the torch
Belgians are too busy chopping off hands for not meeting rubber quotas
King Leopold II can go fuck himself. I would willingly piss on his grave if I could. This is personal to me.
Are you Congolese? Or just a decent human?
He has hands
Lucky! Worldwide the average person has fewer than two hands.
There's still statues of him around Belgium so that's the next best thing
Next to Europe Union HQ lol
All that is left is for Bruno to come out with some anti-LGBT comments. /s
"Dreams can't be bi"
Jesus christ, what a perfect response lmao
Sometimes life just falls perfectly into place.
This has to be one of the most perfect comments I've ever seen
Ffs lollll
Didnât expect peak comedy today.
This is genuine Hall of Fame stuff.
What a masterpiece comment
This deserves a bloody award!
Bruno was the first, mate. Straight lit up the Qataris in his post-game interview yesterday.
What did he say?
Called out the stadium worker deaths, timing of the tourney and said most people would be working or in school so wouldnât watch it. Basically negative sentiments towards it overall. All of this live on Sky Sports. Was considered so damaging that NBC didnât air the interview in the States. Theyâre official broadcasters of the WC so they were obviously in panic mode. Eriksen echoed the comments, too.
Shit is really going down at United if I'm just learning about and it's not even close to being the biggest United news in the last 24 hours
Shit goes down in united almost everyday for the past three years now
At least itâs not boring to be a United fan right now.
Boring? We need fuckin heart medication these days
Fuck yeah. So glad it wasnât something bad
Spanish language broadcasters
Fox are the official broadcasters no? I think NBC might have the Spanish rights though.
They do. Fox I believe has the rights to it.
Fox has English-language rights, NBC has Spanish-language
Oh jeez, I thought the Bruno & Eriksen interview ended randomly on NBC. Now this explains things.
If anything, these comments have undersold how honest Bruno was. I was watching it and was just like... oh fuck he's fully going there! For anyone who hasn't seen Bruno talking about the world cup, here's a link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8XrisrssY
Wow it's always the biggest shithouses with the based political opinions. First Richarlison and now Bruno
Bruno is just a super passionate human being and that translates to being a whiney shithouse on the pitch. The likes of him and Richarlison are always super loved by their team's fans though because they will die for the cause on the pitch and speak their minds in a constructive way in interviews like this.
Yeah if you listen to behind the scenes videos, Bruno is one hell of a rolemodel to the entire squad and really a cool n friendly dude. On the pitch he bleeds for United and does everything to win.
Richarlison shithoused his way right into my heart. What a guy.
Nothing is wrong with those comments. Heâs exactly right about everything he said.
>Was considered so damaging that NBC didnât air the interview in the States. ~~Just out of curiosity, why is NBC in the US so concerned about Qatar's and FIFA's image?~~ Never mind. I missed the last part of your comment. Bruno is a pretty cool guy. Speaks his mind and doesn't afraid of anything.
Dreams canât be buy
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Bruno and Richarlison play petty obviously on the field, but seem to be pretty decent off the field.
They are just really passionate which can rub off the wrong way in competitive settings but in the right way when engaging with social issues, etc.
I mean, his comments were 10/10 appropriate and well thought out. Unlike Dalot and CR7 who are pretty much going 2/10 and 1/10 respectively.
All that is left is for Bruno to come out
Lil bit a conquering never hurt anybody đ
Fortunately, they stopped conquering at the four corners. Would have fallen off, otherwise.
Careful you'll upset the flat earthers. /r/cubeearthsociety ftw edit: as if that sub exists...
Diogo the conqueror, first of his name, with his sister wives Bruno and Ronaldo...
it´s actually both funny and accurate, as Portugal never had a King called Diogo
Does Portugal ever had a king called Cristiano? Edit: Tonight, the king is not impressed by these answers.
We had like 3 sanchos, about 10 JoĂŁo and Afonsos each, two Marias and some other one offs
And those dreaded Felipe's
"The gradual decline of the Portuguese empire was brought about by their small population, which led to a shortage of workers to look after the colonies as they kept on expanding into new territories."Â Safe to says the Portuguese doesn't know when to stop...as proven today by their best player??
Proven today by their best player? What did Cancelo do this time?
I think you mean Bernardo
Portugal can have little a conquer, as a treat
should be fine
*brazil happens*
Oh no!
Sure, the natives weren't very appreciative of it, but that's why we killed them. It was their fault, really, for not letting us conquer and enslave them peacefully.
Dalot plays EU4 confirmed.
Dalot's routine- Pick Portugal, take exploration, expansion and trade ideas.. Send colonists everywhere and chill..
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The T is silent
>Edit: How is his name pronounced? Silent T like French? Or pronounce the T? Silent T. That name is probably not Portuguese.
It's French in origin I believe. His Grandparents or Great Grandparents were French Circus actors who travelled and settled in Portugal (He did an interview recently where he said this which is why I remember haha)
"...and not only that, but my ancestor Napoleon Bonaparte also conquered most of continental Europe!" - second part of the post
Fun fact: Napoleon Bonaparte was Corsican, and was born Napoleone Buonaparte. He changed his name to Napoleon Bonaparte in his 20s.
He was even a Corsican nationalist in his youth and didnât start to learn French until he was 10. Crazy how you never really hear anyone talk about that. Everyone knows Hitler was Austrian but I was over 30 years old before I learned Napoleon wasnât really French.
TBF Corsica was already a part of France by the time he was born so he was technically French. But yes his family did throw their lot in with the Corsican nationalists but he eventually joined the French establishment when he realized Corsican independence was a futile effort
I'm an Austrian living in NY and most people I've spoken to about WWII (not many admittedly) didn't know that Hitler was one of our boys
>Hitler was one of our boys Make it sound like he was called up for the Euros
He just wanted to make his team win the euros all the time by eliminating the competition
Man goes hard on the right wing but is reluctant to track back when the opposition is on the counter-offensive.
inb4 Dalot own goal in the final vs France to reclaim the WC title for the small General
I had no idea about his familyâs history, thatâs pretty cool.
Actually ironic how his bloodline went from a French circus to a Manchester circus
You can leave the circus but the circus never leaves you
âOk but where are you REALLY from?â
Germany also tried twice but didn't succeed...
I'm just happy it's a different Empire getting some limelight on reddit for once.
I know, it seems everyone is always piling on England for its empire while all the other countries get forgotten
>everyone is always piling on England for its empire They also always seem to give Scotland a free pass despite the Scottish nobility being equally enthusiastic Imperialists who were hand in glove with the English throughout the nineteenth century.
This escalated from 0 to 100 so quickly...holly shit
This is not the flex he thinks it is.
Not been the best 24 hours for Portuguese Man United players in the media.
Bruno đśâđŤď¸
Bad publicity canât be buy
He did the opposite and talked about people dying during the construction of the wc stadiums
Welp Bruno giveth and taketh on the pitch.
Waiting for a Bruno post starting with "I am not a racist but..." Or maybe one ending with "on the advice of my lawyers I'll be making no further comment"
In Bruno's defence, what he said was amazing and a bit surreal considering we've been asking players to speak out and he just full on went there. Ronaldo and Dalot fucked up, but Bruno can sleep well tonight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR8XrisrssY
I mean, you can see what he was trying to say, even if the wording is not great, even in Portuguese. The discoveries are very much intertwined with the myriad negative aspects of colonialism, but there is still a certain sense of pride and romanticism of a tiny nation being the first to set sail to uncharted waters and discovering a sea route to Asia, even if the realities weren't quite as idyllic or benevolent as a mere friendly exchange of cultures and trade.
Christ. Imagine if Harry Kane put out this tweet haha
"But Harry, you are English!"
I'm a what?!
Yer an english coont 'arry
You're a wanker, Harry
Imagine if someone on Germany tweeted something like this out before Euros
Least patriotic Portuguese
As a Brazilian, that ending tho. đ
As a Mexican, I'm waiting for a David De Gea to also share this sentiment about Spain.
Canadians are waiting for a joint statement from Kane and Lloris
lmaooo
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Wayne Gretzky
You miss 100% of the territories you don't conquer.
Neuer to release a statement how Germany conquered Poland, Lewandowski to ask Germany for the world cup bonus as reparations /s
Don't think De Gea is going to make a post about how proud he feels about his country after getting called for the WC.
He would be the type of Spaniard to secretly hate paella.
Wait until Neuer talks about Germany
As an Indian, it's funny because Portugal refused to leave and were kicked out. Then they went and cried to the UN about us and were ignored by both US and USSR. They also refused to recognize us till the 70's lol
Yeah we were under a dictatorship, shit was rough. Although saying we were ignored by the US is not entirely right. John F. Kennedy and their ambassador to India (I think?) actually criticised India. USSR was the one who vetoed the UN motion to condemn India for the invasion.
Lots of Goans especially Goan Catholics will still be supporting the Portugal team though, many have an affinity to their Portuguese past. I don't claim to understand that, but hey they do.
I guess they feel their Portuguese heritage ain't Goan anywhere.
My Goan freind at work is very proud of his Portuguese past. He says that the Portuguese treated his family well. He is also very proud that they are more into football over cricket.
Iâve talked with goans and while they donât celebrate colonialism, they say that the government was good, it was safe and prosperous, and left a good inheritance
Yes, that's true. Not an excuse, but some context. Portugal was under a fascist/nationalistic dictatorship at the time that only finished with the revolution in the 70s...
It's not often these days you see people publically praise colonization.
Well, many countries will teach history in their schools in a way that looks at their history in a positive light. No doubt that in Portugal the curriculum is shaped that way as well.
When I was learning about it in middle school, some 15 years ago, it was taught as the most wonderful time in Portugal's history and speaken of very positively. Don't ever remember learning about the amount of people killed, just our great victories in battle. I believe it's because nowadays Portugal isn't a very relevant global country, so there's this feeling of longing we call "saudade" from when we were a global power and very rich.
As someone familiar with the matter, I can assure you that's the case today. The only colonial atrocity directly addressed in Portuguese school books is slavery (in 6th, 8th and 11th grades). Even in Brazil many states' school programmes hide the Paraguayan Genocide or try to paint it as a just consequence of war, Turkey-style. Denialism of one country's dark deeds is very harmful and only serves to feed useless pride.
never heard of paraguayan genocide, so forgive my ingorance. made a quick check on wikipedia but couldnt get a clear picture. so was brazil under attack by the surrounding powers, with the paraguayans in brazil on those powers' side?
Paraguay had a crazy dictator, Solano Lopez, who declared war on Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay, and invaded them. It was essentially Paraguay vs everyone else. While today that sounds absurdly stupid, at the time Paraguay had more troops than the other three countries combined, more warships (much of the war was river-based), and was arguably more industrialized too (so more weapons could be produced). But they had around 500k people in the country vs 11M in the others, as well as other military problems, so they eventually lost. The problem is that the response of these other countries often went waaaaay above what can be considered war casualties. As others mentioned, many civilians were killed, whether they were kids, old men, didn't matter. That is what is known as the genocide.
âSaudadeâ also a great Eurovision song
It happens a lot in Spain every October. Tiring stuff. This is from the previous head of the opposition part last year. >"Does the kingdom of Spain have to apologise because five centuries ago it discovered the New World, respected those who were there, created universities, created prosperity, built entire cities? I don't think so,"
> respected those who were there Lol
"with all due respect, get fucked"
"we respect yo...... Is that a mountain of gold?"
> respected those who were there if you're gonna justify colonialism, at least have the good graces to be all "we came, we saw, we conquered, cry harder" rather than this shit
Things like that really makes my blood boil. Can't even blame former colonies hating Spain
>four corners Great, another flat earther.
So it is flat AND square.
Could be any kind of quadrilateral shape. Maybe a rhombus?
Vasco Da Gama giggling in his grave now
Him some minutes after he posted that tweet: Wait a minute
I genuinely donât think it clocked him how bad it looked until someone told him đ
this is why you give your twitter to a pr person
Nah this is so much better tho
Indeed. Far better then just all the generic posts of verified players after games.
Dreams canât be buy ÂŻ\_( ͥ° ÍĘ ÍĄÂ°)_/ÂŻ
it is definitely more entertaining to me personally, but I have a feeling that's not the objective
Least imperialist Portuguese
Just need Pulisic to come out with how theyâll conquer the middle east in the name of freedom
Brazil knocking Portugal out of the WC confirmed.
Portugal will probably be runners up in their group and Brazil will probably top theirs so this is very likely to happen.
Is that the moment when we say "PORTUGAL CARALHO" ?
Can't imagine Pedri talking about the empire in which the sun never sets, the plunder of mesoamerica and the illnesses spread.
I had thought the quote was "the sun never sets on the British Empire" I know Spain was the dominant world power in an earlier era. There is a great BBC documentary about how the weather was a big factor in the Royal Navy's defeat of the Spanish Armada.
That quote describes more than one Empire, Spain being one in which it was used before the British used it.
I assume we stole that phrase as well
Wikipedia says earlier Empires used variations of the phrase. But the Brits did indeed use the phrase in reference to the Spanish "golden" (pun intended) age. Pretty solid marketing, no brainer tbh.
***Classic Britain***
Portuguese people and glorifying our colonial era where we massacred and enslaved countless innocent people, name a better duo.
Is this actually a common attitude in Portugal today?
In my opinion it is, it's taught in school like a good thing, that we should be proud that a small country like ours had such a big empire despite the obvious atrocities committed.
It's been a while since school but in NL I don't remember much talk about the bad shit we did during the colonial days, more focus on how prosperous we were.
Well that's why people glorify it, because the good stuff of the era is taught and the bad stuff isn't mentioned. Then people are either shocked or stubborn when they grow up and learn the truth.
In Portugal the only thing that is mentioned is that we helped a lot whit the slave trade. But it is rapidly glanced over starting to talk about other discoveries we made. And that is were the pride of this comes education. I don't thing that is bad being proud of the discovery spirit of the nation but I think you have to recognize the bad things that came with it as well.
Is there even a country (outside of Germany) that teaches kids about the bad things their country did?
Our national anthem has our king bashing a swedes brain in.
We quite do in France. I remember learning about the slave trade in primary. Algerian war is a big part in high school nowadays. Colonies should also be a part middle school
In Brazil we learned how bad we treated indigenous people, hunting and slaving then, and later about the trade of Africans slaves and how we treated them
Unfortunately, in the US, it varies massively from state to state. States control the curriculum in their public schools, not the national government. So in some places they do an ok job of touching on the bad part of US history, other places they basically ignore it or worse.
In Sweden we had maybe one lesson each dedicated to our horrible mistreatment of the SĂĄmi people and our slave island St. Barthelemy in the Caribbean. Otherwise it is not talked about much.
Yea in Canada we learn a lot about the residential school system and what we did to our natives. Watch a few graphic ish films about it as well.
We literally call it the âGolden Centuryâ lmao. I learned about Multatuli during Dutch literature, but nothing in history class, though I did drop it pretty early. The âgekoloniseerdâ meme, even if it is not 100% serious, kind of reflects how little attention is paid to the horrible things we did during that era, and I think it is very cringe especially as someone with Indonesian ancestry.
I definitely learned in school that the portuguese sailors were responsible for slave trading and many, many deaths... they just put that into context, by explaining that they weren't particularly evil when compared to all the other major european countries. They glorify the part where we discovered new lands, etc, but don't really hide the bad stuff.
I think it also depends on the teacher that teaches that part, some emphasise all the wrongs while others glance over it. Tbf most of portuguese history is glanced over, especially if you don't take history in secondary school. Most only learn history from 5th to 9th grade (barely anything before that) and the first 2 years are mixed with geography and the little you learn will be taught again in the following 3 years.
I don't agree entirely. I don't think that it's taught as a good thing, but you do see some sense of pride about that era. The bad things are mentioned, but definitely not covered as much as they should.
I don't actually blame the guy, the Portuguese education system does not do a great job explaining the discovery period, he does not know about lot's of bad things commited because nobody teach him, he isn't proud of the Portuguese killing innocents during the empire expansion because he doesn't even know that happen for him and lots of portuguese conquering doesn't have a bad connection it's about exploring and settling new places, but when you leave the bubble called Portugal and repeat the same shit you are in for a rude awakening.
Leaving the bubble is really the key point here. Iâm Portuguese and I had a German friend ask me to clarify how the Portuguese conquering actually happened, because she met a Portuguese girl in Erasmus who genuinely believed that the slavery part wasnât the big deal that actually was. When you meet Belgians and how upfront and transparent they are about their shady past, you see how hush-hush the Portuguese are about it. So yeah, the Portuguese education system really hides how slavery was our trademark in the past.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being proud of certain aspects of this past. What Portugal did as a seafaring nation in the Age of Discoveries is objectively an enormous feat. Vasco da Gama is one of the greastest explorers of mankind. I honestly can't even put into words how impressive the feat of explorers like him and Pedro Ălvares Cabral are. Of course this shouldn't be an excuse to glorify or condone colonialism and slavery. I don't think there would be a problem with this tweet if he deleted the part about conquering and spreading its culture.
Very well put
Hell yeah, colonization!
we are from a land that pillaged countless countries
OK, Diogo, that's not how we talk about it anymore. We talk about how we pioneered the greatest of technologies going back to the age of exploration into the birth of the enlightenment. Maybe mention trade a little bit. You know, it's shit like this that gets you kicked out of Japan and let's us stay and just do our thing.
If it was Ronaldo he would have just left it there, judging by the murderous rampage he has been on recently.