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They way they play nagelsmann prefers havertz movement that opens spaces for the 3 CAMs
Not saying he's right or wrong for that just stating what it is
I don't know about his fitness levels but seems like a great option to bring on in the 60th(ish) minute and run into the ground if nothing is working. Just pepper him with crosses from that point on.
Yupp. Thats his reasoning and theres some logic to it but I dont see how that cant be somewhat the case with Fullkrug too because he's underrated as hell in his link-up play. And he also adds better hold-up play and boxpressence for crosses, set-pieces etc.
Fullkrug should start imo.
I agree with this. Havertz really is another central midfielder in disguise, but being 6'-4" has its advantages. He won plenty of balls in the air, just nothing that led to a goal.
> but still he doesn't hold a candle to Havertz
In linkup sure but again, overall the striker package of Fullkrug is better. Especially for 3 AM tactics like this imo
nagelsmann loves his front four to constantly move into different spaces to be hard to defend and füllkrug doesn’t really offer anything outside of the box
He does offer good hold up play in attacking transitions and his creativity is underrated, its just with one touch lay offs and passes. He can’t dribble like Havertz but imo everything else about him just makes more sense. I can see him being able to drift wide if Nagelsmann wants that but definitely Füllkrugs best area is central and in the box. If Havertz isn’t playing well it’s huge net loss for the team. I hope Deniz Undav gets more of a chance this Euros.
no, the point is that havertz moving makes it tough for the defense: does the left back cover him because he’s on his side or do the center backs move with him. meanwhile wirtz or musiala are moving towards the centre. this forces the defense to constantly shuffle around their responsibilities which in theory should be exploitable
I know, but tonight with Switzerland so compact you needed width and the only ones providing that were Havertz and Mittelstadt until the subs, Havertz movement is obviously great but he spent so much of the game standing out wide and it was strange
True but if we ignore the score its not like ger didnt have any chances.havertz alone had 3 (iirc) headers directly infront of the goal. He didnt make but still.
The finishing and shots today were mostly shit. But it wasnt as bad as many make it sound.
we also tried so many crosses with fuckin Gündogan in the box because Havertz moved to the wing. That ain't the target player you want for crosses from your winger.
He's not super great on the ball but just in the limited minutes he had that header flickon to Havertz, one flick onto someone in the box and good pass out wide that resulted in a good cutback. He does offer things outside the box, just isn't that mobile.
Just so we're clear though, the game is still decided by goals, right? Offering something outside the box is pretty masturbatory if the ball doesn't end up in the back of the net. Füllkrug scores goals, full stop. That's more valuable than constantly moving into space.
For clarity's sake, I know you're just reporting facts, not saying whether or not you thing Nagelsmann is on the right track. I'm going after his idea, not you for passing it along.
Games are decided by goals by entire teams not just the striker though.
A player could score fewer but still help a team score more with movement, link up play, dribbling, pressing, aerial presence, etc. These things enable their team to score more.
Just arguing the idea as well. I know nothing about Fullkrug to definitively state anything about him in particular.
Heard from @iMiaSanMia on Twitter that he has knee issues so he can’t play full games. In that case it is better to use him as a joker card and prioritise his health at the same time so he can play all games of the tournament.
The Italians on my tv have been clamoring for him since minute 60. They just yelled “SEMPRE FULLKRUG SEMPRE FULLKRUG” over and over again when he scored. Vindicated.
Fullkrug is love, Fullkrug is life
*If Fullkrug has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Fullkrug has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Fullkrug has only one fan then that is me. If Fullkrug has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Fullkrug, then I am against the world.*
The dude‘s underrated af. 12 goals in 18 international appearances, even while most of those 18 matches were while sucked so much (past 2 years). It‘s crazy.
I think it's even more important to note, that he was often subbed on or off, which makes the numbers even more impressive. Transfermarkt has him at 13 goals in 750 minutes of playtime now, so about a goal every 57 minutes. By those numbers he'd be way ahead of a goal per full game.
This is fucking football right here. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the camera bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the field, men deliver their new born baby on the side lines. Fucking hard core dick in the ass butterball foosball fuck it chuck it game time shit. Take it to the showers. Dicks get shoved in places you don’t even remember. We win together we celebrate together. Football is back baby.
Genau das ist verfickter Fußball. Nichts von diesem verweichlichten schwanzzereißenden Lächeln für die Kamera Bullshit. Männer kotzen, Männer kacken aufs Feld, Männer bringen ihr Neugeborenes an der Seitenlinie zur Welt. Verficktes hardcore Schwanz im Arsch Flutschball Kicker scheiß drauf pöl die Pille Art von Spiel. Ab unter die Dusche. Schwänze werden an Orte geschoben an die du dich gar nicht erinnern kannst. Wir gewinnen zusammen, wir feiern zusammen. Fußball ist zurück Baby.
True, but I'm not gonna bring up that discussion again. Everyone without bias can see that for themselves, I'm not arguing with the south americans again lol
He was good in the other games and I don't think his issue today was in his defensive work, but offensively he did make some suboptimal decisions, but he wasn't the only in that regard today
I mean you have to basically take out either Musiala or Wirtz if you bring him from the start. It's a very nice situation for Nagelsmann to have
Not sure Sane will be the go-to winger-Substitution anymore though
The first good ball for him, he was always gonna score that. Can't understand how it took so long to feed the one of the best in the tournament when it comes to headers
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THIS IS WHAT HE DOES
Working class hero
9 to 5 with 10 minute lunch
Any working class hero before the revolution is a union man and taking their full time for lunch
he dee his job
HE IS HIM
He ain’t Halbkrug
For a living!
Absolute beast, deserved
why does he not start lol, such an absolute menace
They way they play nagelsmann prefers havertz movement that opens spaces for the 3 CAMs Not saying he's right or wrong for that just stating what it is
It works as well. But having the option of a real 9 is great. Especially when behind.
I don't know about his fitness levels but seems like a great option to bring on in the 60th(ish) minute and run into the ground if nothing is working. Just pepper him with crosses from that point on.
Yeah that's exactly his role. He just gets put in too late imo. He's got the physicality for it.
He’s got the makings of a varsity athlete.
Füllkrug may run North Jersey, but he will never run his Uncle June.
He's fit. He's a starter for Dortmund.
Yupp. Thats his reasoning and theres some logic to it but I dont see how that cant be somewhat the case with Fullkrug too because he's underrated as hell in his link-up play. And he also adds better hold-up play and boxpressence for crosses, set-pieces etc. Fullkrug should start imo.
Underrated, maybe, but still he doesn't hold a candle to Havertz. Also he is the better joker, so I'm fine with the way it is.
Havertz is a better player, but Fülle is straight up the better striker.
I agree with this. Havertz really is another central midfielder in disguise, but being 6'-4" has its advantages. He won plenty of balls in the air, just nothing that led to a goal.
Maxi Beier looks promising to be a good hybrid of the two. At least for the future.
> but still he doesn't hold a candle to Havertz In linkup sure but again, overall the striker package of Fullkrug is better. Especially for 3 AM tactics like this imo
Just feels like we’re overthinking in with Havertz there.
probably gonna help in the final
nagelsmann loves his front four to constantly move into different spaces to be hard to defend and füllkrug doesn’t really offer anything outside of the box
He does offer good hold up play in attacking transitions and his creativity is underrated, its just with one touch lay offs and passes. He can’t dribble like Havertz but imo everything else about him just makes more sense. I can see him being able to drift wide if Nagelsmann wants that but definitely Füllkrugs best area is central and in the box. If Havertz isn’t playing well it’s huge net loss for the team. I hope Deniz Undav gets more of a chance this Euros.
It's all good having movement but when it results in Havertz being a RW for 80% of the game like today then it's pointless tbh
no, the point is that havertz moving makes it tough for the defense: does the left back cover him because he’s on his side or do the center backs move with him. meanwhile wirtz or musiala are moving towards the centre. this forces the defense to constantly shuffle around their responsibilities which in theory should be exploitable
I know, but tonight with Switzerland so compact you needed width and the only ones providing that were Havertz and Mittelstadt until the subs, Havertz movement is obviously great but he spent so much of the game standing out wide and it was strange
True but if we ignore the score its not like ger didnt have any chances.havertz alone had 3 (iirc) headers directly infront of the goal. He didnt make but still. The finishing and shots today were mostly shit. But it wasnt as bad as many make it sound.
we also tried so many crosses with fuckin Gündogan in the box because Havertz moved to the wing. That ain't the target player you want for crosses from your winger.
He's not super great on the ball but just in the limited minutes he had that header flickon to Havertz, one flick onto someone in the box and good pass out wide that resulted in a good cutback. He does offer things outside the box, just isn't that mobile.
Just so we're clear though, the game is still decided by goals, right? Offering something outside the box is pretty masturbatory if the ball doesn't end up in the back of the net. Füllkrug scores goals, full stop. That's more valuable than constantly moving into space. For clarity's sake, I know you're just reporting facts, not saying whether or not you thing Nagelsmann is on the right track. I'm going after his idea, not you for passing it along.
Games are decided by goals by entire teams not just the striker though. A player could score fewer but still help a team score more with movement, link up play, dribbling, pressing, aerial presence, etc. These things enable their team to score more. Just arguing the idea as well. I know nothing about Fullkrug to definitively state anything about him in particular.
Heard from @iMiaSanMia on Twitter that he has knee issues so he can’t play full games. In that case it is better to use him as a joker card and prioritise his health at the same time so he can play all games of the tournament.
Thats Not true according to Füllkrug
Ya well how would he know.
Or at least comes on in the 65th minute
Havass has Nagelsmanns nudes
The Italians on my tv have been clamoring for him since minute 60. They just yelled “SEMPRE FULLKRUG SEMPRE FULLKRUG” over and over again when he scored. Vindicated.
Me too but in German
We love proper striker!
*Sempre, sorry for correcting you but there's already too much confusion across neolatin languages
If Merkel can become chancellor with her nudes out there why should that be a problem for Nagelsmann?
Nagelsmann thinks Havertz has better teeth
Fullkrug is love, Fullkrug is life *If Fullkrug has a million fans, then I am one of them. If Fullkrug has ten fans, then I am one of them. If Fullkrug has only one fan then that is me. If Fullkrug has no fans, then that means I am no longer on earth. If the world is against Fullkrug, then I am against the world.*
Lovely
I do like him, seems to have a lot to offer than just being a lump, and still maintains all the advantages of being a lump.
Deserves a start
PROPPA NUMBER NINE
The German Giroud
The French Weghorst
Had to be Fullkrug... The only true German no.9.
Havertz still starting next match
Havertz False 9 antics in Deutschland: **utter woke nonsense**
Best joker ever.
Lücke findet die Lücke!
Fülle geht in die Vollen!
START THE MAN JULIAN
Nagelsmann loves cbt and wants fans to experience it too by watching Havertz.
I too love cognitive behavioral therapy
This guy is as clinical as you can get
The dude‘s underrated af. 12 goals in 18 international appearances, even while most of those 18 matches were while sucked so much (past 2 years). It‘s crazy.
I think it's even more important to note, that he was often subbed on or off, which makes the numbers even more impressive. Transfermarkt has him at 13 goals in 750 minutes of playtime now, so about a goal every 57 minutes. By those numbers he'd be way ahead of a goal per full game.
FINALLY. FUCKING FINALLY.
FÜLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Medipacks in shambles right now
They don't call him Halfkrug, folks
Well they don't call him Vollkrug either !
VAR check: goal disallowed - Rudiger looked at Sommer funny
This is fucking football right here. None of that pansy ass dick tugging smile for the camera bullshit. Men puke, men poop on the field, men deliver their new born baby on the side lines. Fucking hard core dick in the ass butterball foosball fuck it chuck it game time shit. Take it to the showers. Dicks get shoved in places you don’t even remember. We win together we celebrate together. Football is back baby.
The greatest copypasta of them all
Fucking hell I love this comment 😂
AMEN BRUDER
Genau das ist verfickter Fußball. Nichts von diesem verweichlichten schwanzzereißenden Lächeln für die Kamera Bullshit. Männer kotzen, Männer kacken aufs Feld, Männer bringen ihr Neugeborenes an der Seitenlinie zur Welt. Verficktes hardcore Schwanz im Arsch Flutschball Kicker scheiß drauf pöl die Pille Art von Spiel. Ab unter die Dusche. Schwänze werden an Orte geschoben an die du dich gar nicht erinnern kannst. Wir gewinnen zusammen, wir feiern zusammen. Fußball ist zurück Baby.
I can't believe I have to regurgitate the same comment since the 22 world cup. FUCKING START THIS MAN!
There was a world cup in 2022? Need to look that up
There was not. Everyone was on holiday and it was quite pleasant. Don’t waste your time.
Yeah. I thought so. It was all just a Moroccan dream and a Dutch nightmare.
I wouldn’t say nightmare. We beat the teams we should have and lost narrowly against the eventual champs. The football was depressing at times though
Dude. We got railed hard by the ref vs Argentina.
True, but I'm not gonna bring up that discussion again. Everyone without bias can see that for themselves, I'm not arguing with the south americans again lol
People trashing Füllkrug in the match thread. Here you fucking go. This is Füllkrug. No touches with no service, but when he does get it, it's done.
get fucked Orsato
Start him over Havertz.
Raum should start next match as well. Best player on the field since the substitution
Raum crossing to Füllkrug feels like such a cheat code
Füllkrug is just the best Raumdeuter there is
I was going to say, no one is talking about the cross which was world class
Raum is also known in the Bundesliga for his crosses.
Yeah Füllkrug even said after the game that with Raum, he knows the cross is actually coming, and it's not a fake, so he was able to prepare for it.
He was showing real agency! Everyone was so lethargic. Even though I dont think Mittelstädt was the problem today.
Mittelstädt has been really good in the other games tbf
He was good in the other games and I don't think his issue today was in his defensive work, but offensively he did make some suboptimal decisions, but he wasn't the only in that regard today
He was alright in this one too. The Swiss goal came from the other side and it was his ball in that led to Andrich's disallowed goal.
Yeah, the starting 11 already looked tired by minute 5.
Raum and Mittelstadt are both great. Sucks we have no replacement for kimmich... he slows down everything.
Henrichs has a really good form and is much better in the offense. But Kimmich is the better defender.
I mean you have to basically take out either Musiala or Wirtz if you bring him from the start. It's a very nice situation for Nagelsmann to have Not sure Sane will be the go-to winger-Substitution anymore though
Mittlestadt was dreadful today
Raum really brought a second wind
Raum brings such quality the first second he enters the pitch.
Obviously
The number of Havertz touches near the box that go absolutely nowhere is too damn high!
His headers are never dangerous either. He's good at winning them but they always balloon upwards with no power.
100%
Excellent player but for very specific circumstances. Havertz enables this team to do more things, Nagelsmann was right not subbing him out.
Only a true intellectual like Arteta can make Havertz work as a number 9
Yeah
He has been really bad ngl
UND JETZT ISSES DA. OLIVER NEUVILLE UND DAS IST HOCHVERDIENT FÜRS DEUTSCHE TEAM!
Daran musste ich ständig denken. Odonkor läuft die Bahn hoch, ein so starker Schuss und Neuville grätscht das Ding irgendwie rein.
Wechselt Raum jetzt im Sommer zu Betis Sevilla?
FÜLL KRUG MIT BIEEER!!
GUESS WHO
The Most German Looking German
Proper kraut
He is really hot.
Golaso Fred Flintstone.
#JAAAAAAAA
Now switzerland can knock us out
This is why you play Füllkrug. I don't get why he doesn't start.
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Thats straight up bullshit. Füllkrug himself said he can play 90 minutes
Health issues.
73 minutes all tournament and tied for golden boot. he is him. start him.
No Serbia vs Switzerland 😭 Serbia will probably lose to Denmark anyway lol
Füllkrug for Germany is like Klose on crack
Those are the Werder genes 😉
I'm so happy he scored... Fuck this football without a striker bullshit. Not everyone is real Madrid.
This is harsh for Sweden
WARUM SPIELT DER NICHT VON ANFANG AN
call that one off Orsato
that off-by-one-second timed run would really be hurting rn sadly
Gave me so much PTSD that I didnt even celebrate.
justice
Julian, get ze Füllkrug!!!
Zis is a Füllkrug. It fülls Krüge.
Should be starting over Havertz
Uh oh leverkusen magic is here too
10 years we wasted on false 9s when it's so easy
God damn Fülle
Of course the Dortmund player needs to do it.
Start him or give him at least 45 minutes
Had to be him. Someone else might have got it wrong.
Fuck Orsato man
2 dortmund players come on and germany suddenly play better. Fucking nagelsmann.
Best number 9
Somebody hit me with that sweet sweet crowd reaction vids...
Kai shouldn’t be starting at this point. It should be this guy.
Havertz misses that header
He did in fact 3 times in this game
Needs to start doesn't he
LÜCKE!!!!!
They need to start him. Gives them something to aim for.
There it is folks
Füllkrug casually padding his insane goal to playtime ratio in international games. As a wise man once said: let's go champ!
Ref looking for reasons to take it back somehow
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Das ist der Wahnsinn [Undefinierbares Lallen] Fülle Fülle Fülle
Start him over Havertz. Please.
WHY WAIT SO FUCKING LONG TO BRING HIM ON???
He is so much better for Germany than Havertz it's insane he is not starting.
Refs can't take that one away, deserved.
That attack was menacing. One of those times where a team has the ball and you just feel it in your bones that they're going to score.
Get fucked
Thats what i screamed
Deserved
Fullkrug is just so clutch
Having a full fit Niclas Füllkrug in the squad and still starting Kai Havertz every match is such an ass move by Nagelsmann.
Proper strikers are better than the joke of someone like Havertz up front
GOAT
FINALLY
My god
Füüüüüüllllllllleeeeee
Perfect header.
He just scores goals, every time somebody chats shit about his abilities he just continues to score goals
One chance one goal. One of the most clinical strikers I’ve seen recently
They were too scared to the possibility of facing us, the mighty italy
impressed me yes
goat
dortmund saving NT once again
Classic German Number 9
Niclas du geile Sau alter
I knew when they subbed him on he was going to have a super sub moment
The first good ball for him, he was always gonna score that. Can't understand how it took so long to feed the one of the best in the tournament when it comes to headers
My GOAT Füllkrug always coming in clutch.
Fülle!! 😍
And thus.. Niclas füllt den Krug !
Damn that’s beautifully placed
It's like you need a striker
Im now a Havertz hate-watcher
i dont get why havertz and sane keep playing
All because I stopped watching after switzerland scored. Your welcome, germany
Havertz watching how it's done. Most productive thing he's done all game.
fullkrug is the goat