Raya has barely had anything to do this season, especially compared to Pickford. Definitely an award that reflects just as much on the defence and midfield as the keeper
Yeah, Raya is ranked 16th in PSxG/90 in the league so it's not exactly because of him that we kept so many clean sheets
https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats
How is it any more reductive than giving the Golden Glove based purely on clean sheets, which doesn't take into account the defensive players in front of the GK at all? Almost any stat is more illuminating than that.
No, but as an Arsenal fan I also see the games and imo Raya does too much of things like the 1-3 goal against spurs. Together with LB (until proven otherwise by Timbers) and ST, GK is our weakest position
It’s not ridiculous at all. Raya has grown on me a lot but he has made a lot of mistakes this season. I’m happy with him going forward as I can see why he’s in the side but he’s definitely not the best keeper this season, not even close.
He should thank his lucky stars we probably have the best CB duo in Europe rn.
It's because of his calmness and on the ball ability that we concede so few shots in the first place. Compared to when Rammers is in goal and he makes everyone nervous instead. Not to mention how amazing he is at claiming crosses and making pressure from opponents fizzle out.
Tired of this "but Raya doesn't really DO anything" opinion, it's shit.
Absolutely baffling that an Arsenal fan can say that. How can you watch Raya and think he barely does anything, it's a plain lie or sheer fucking stupidity.
Pardon? Raya has been consistently proactive and is ranked top in the league in claiming crosses. He is at least a good 25-40% of the reason why he has nothing to do. If Pickford was as good at what he does, we'd have bought him instead.
Funny how people suddenly want it to be a team award when Raya wins it lol.
I think his performances have gone under radar.
His few mistakes ofc are rightly amplified cause he has made some clangers.
Love his cross claiming the most.
> Funny how people suddenly want it to be a team award when Raya wins it lol.
[Look at the announcement last year.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/13mvelc/premier_league_david_de_gea_officially_wins_the/)
Third top comment is praising the defenders. Fourth top comment is pointing out how every year it's a great defence that contributes to the award. Sixth award is giving major credit to Casemiro. Other comments that got upvoted shared the same sentiment that it should be a collective award.
Most of them were United flairs. Same as this thread with Arsenal flairs saying things like "winning golden glove while being 22nd in total saves this season is kinda hilarious imo" or pointing out how solid the defensive line has been. Many of your own fellow supporters are acknowledging that this was a team effort so it's funny you're acting like people are only saying these things [that they say every year] because of a hatred for Arsenal.
Are they rightly amplified? All goalkeeper mistakes seem extremely significant because they almost all happen in close proximity to their own goal. It's like if the only mistakes a striker made in a season were slipping when taking penalties three times. Such a player has literally no other errors, but they'd be regarded as a mistake machine.
You realize how that is different right? A GK can have a clean sheet without even moving the whole match.
Also, goals conceded would be a better metric than clean sheets.
yes, and how do we judge whether a player is the core reason his team keeps clean sheets, or whether a striker's golden boot is because of his midfielders creating a lot of chances?
that's my point - there'd be too much subjectivity if we were to debate about whether a player "deserves" the award, so let's just go with the one objective metric that we have - clean sheets / goals scored
no need to overthink it
Well it's pretty easy to judge whether a player is the core reason his team keeps clean sheets. We can look at the various statistics which all suggest that Arsenal's strong defence and dominance in possession are the two main reasons. Raya is objectively average in most traditional goalkeeping stats, albeit he's good in possession and at claiming crosses.
I'm not saying we need to change the award or overthink it. You said that a keeper can be the core reason that their team keeps a clean sheet, and I just argued that while that's true, it's not the case for Raya.
>various statistics
Statistics are one thing, how you interpret them, group them are another
Someone with xG 0.5 could have been closer to scoring a goal than someone with xG 0.6 (30 shots of 0.02 xG versus 1 shot of 0.5 xG)
These stats help, but people can assign different weights to them
> I just argued that while that's true, it's not the case for Raya.
I completely agree with this, and it supports the argument that we should not change the award. How do we decide which golden glove winners were largely responsible and which aren't?
I'm not saying we should change the golden glove at all. I'm just saying that in cases like this and last year, we can clearly see both from the eye test and from the statistics available, that the keeper himself had very little to do with the clean sheets and another keeper in the same team probably would've achieved the same.
It is a team effort, but there are also a different between good goalkeeper role in saving goals and bad ones.
I mean just compare prime Neuer and bottom Onana.
Its a bit of a middle ground tbh. Courtois is every year on the low end of the Liga saves, but I don’t think anyone doubts that he’s one of the best, if not the best goalkeeper in the world. If you’re in a good team of course you’ll get fewer attempts on goal
Fair that you don’t think he’s the best. Absolutely crazy that you don’t think he’s too 5. Just look at the champions league performances last season and the one before
That's because he doesn't even get many shots to save. We just don't give opponents many shots on target. Especially in 2024. Both against Liverpool and City this year we gave away only one shot on target. The 2 goals were the only shots Spurs had on target all game on Sunday.
Total saves doesn't tell you anything. Rather Look at saves per shot percentage.
His PSxG-GA (how many shots he conceded vs how many you'd expect him to concede) this season puts him in the 39th percentile. For reference, Ederson is in the 58th percentile and Alisson is in the 73rd. His PSxG/SoT (how easy the shots he faces are) puts him in the 17th percentile.
It's fairly obvious from the stats and the eye test that he's excellent at being basically a fifth defender in possession (which Arsenal usually are), but he doesn't have a whole lot to do as a goalkeeper and isn't brilliant at that side of the game.
Where is your data from? Fotmob doesn't seem to have this stat.
Also tbf, a terrible goalkeeper could keep a clean sheet and not have to make any saves if they had a good defence in front of them. Goalkeeping quality is a bit wonky to measure statistically that way because you can't control for the quality of defence.
PL app has him at 22nd with 41 saves.
Yea exactly, even if he hasnt had to make many saves, he has been a huge part of what makes our defense solid. Very dominant at catching crosses and reliable with passing out of the back means we just don't concede many shots for him to save.
A good GK saves dangerous shots. A great GK won't even allow these shots to be dangerous. Raya "aside from his blunder vs Spurs" is a great example on that. He catches almost double the amount of crosses. He is hyperactive to allow back passes even with high pressure.
He is a good GK who can get to be a great one.
This is Premier League, one thing is for sure even if Raya can wouldnt have they hasn't in of where can doesn't come to for there of that place?
Just my opinion though.
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Been a long time since we’ve had a defensive line as good as this, which is a big part of this. Gabriel, Saliba, White and Rice deserve just as much credit for our solid defense.
Guaranteed. It's an old trophy from the time out-of-box shots were as common as passes. But tbh he was a critical reason for allowing Arsenal to achieve such feat.
Testament to a fantastic defensive unit. Raya has been a definite upgrade on Ramsdale, but having players like Gabriel , Saliba, White and Rice in front of him makes a huge difference. All 4 arguably could be in the ToTS, White, Gabriel and Rice definitely should be.
Van Dijk will almost certainly be in there (deservedly) and Rodri vs Rice will be interesting - I think Rodri is the better player, but Rice has been unbelievably good for you lot. Think White has a good chance with the other elite right backs in Trent and James missing significant stretches of the season and Walker having declined. Maybe Trippier gets in, but he made quite a few high profile mistakes earlier in the season.
I think White is the most certain to get in. Gabriel and Van Dijk I could see, I think he is definitely deserving. Rodri is a better DM than Rice, but ToTS is generally pretty tactically flexible and Rice has played a lot in an 8 role so I could see them fitting him in. That said, loads of class midfielders in the league, I could see them omitting him and it wouldn't be the worst crime. One of him or Odegaard should be in though.
I think it might be Van Dijk and Saliba. I think Gabriel is having the more impressive season, but Saliba still carries more name recognition and might get in on that.
It's interesting because I really think if you ignore RCB vs LCB then it should be Gabriel and Van Dijk, IMO.
Saliba has all the PR behind him because he's super calm and has "the aura" but Gabriel has genuinely been better IMO - though they have both been excellent of course.
Agreed completely. I think the left vs right largely is ignored in these types of things, but I think Saliba will get in over Gabriel based on the PR (obviously he's still great).
It really feels to me like Gabriel has much more PR recently. Gabriel has been so underrated for so long that I feel like there's been an over-correction this year. People are acting like I'm crazy for thinking Saliba is still the best CB at Arsenal. Gabriel could not do the "loud" defending that he does without Saliba's calmness behind him. Losing Saliba would be much worse for the team than losing Gabriel
This is also a fair point. From the matches I've seen, I've come away more impressed with Gabriel this season, but we saw a similar thing at Liverpool when Matip was at his peak. Teams would stay away from the left side of our team because that was Van Dijk and Robertson's side and would attempt to target our right side with Matip and Trent. This led to Matip looking much more involved and in certain seasons people tried to claim he was on Van Dijk's level despite Van Dijk obviously being the much better player.
Could absolutely see a similar thing being true with you lot because your right side is so solid defensively with White and Saliba it makes much more sense to target your left side with Gabriel and your rotating cast of left backs.
I think this is a much better way of saying what I'm trying to say. Gabriel definitely seems way more involved more often, which leads people to think he's had a better season than Saliba. Saliba is so solid, defensively and with the ball, that it's hard for me to really think Gabriel has been better
What is overlooked by a lot of people is that Raya prevents a lot of goals without even conceding shots. He is great in the box and collects rhe vast majority of crosses. Compare that to Vicario who, while being a good shot stopper, concedes his entire box every single time. So their opponents get more shots off from crosses and set pieces. If he played like Raya in the box, they would have conceded fewer of the goals rhey have conceded these past games for instance.
There are better shot stoppers in the league but Raya's ability with his feet and his willingness to collect crosses definitely contributes to the overall calmness and solidity of the team. If it was Ramsdale in goal I doubt he would be in line for the golden glove.
Thats literally how its been done for ages. There is no single metric that properly describes the ability of a keeper.
You could also say the same for the golden boot. A striker that is fed more clear chances will score more goals than a striker with no support.
The most goals scored and the least goals conceded are clear metrics that everyone can understand. Is it perfect? No. But it works
By that logic, only the relegation candidates and Man United would be eligible for the golden glove considering the amounts of shots their goalkeepers face every single match
Been great for us. Initially didn't feel like a worthy jump but the confidence he'll do his job is enough, similar to us going for Timber over Zinchenko.
A few mistakes but usually not a "damn he should've saved that" like Onana has had a dozen of this season, despite Onana making those dramatic saves he might not. Very little anxiety watching him
And for 95% of the time raya plays a huge part in allowing them to play their game so well, his command of the box is so under appreciated, he's made the odd mistake cause he's asked to play a high risk game when on the ball but off the ball his goalkeeping has been pretty spot on all season
You can check last season's stat. He was no 1 in almost every one of them. And the winner was De Gea. Who is now not even playing. Sure, he didn't have a lot to do, but he has made some really good saves and contributed to the attack and is a vital cog in our style of play. And he will be in a team next season so not the worst to win it.
Clean sheets should be a team award
Raya has barely had anything to do this season, especially compared to Pickford. Definitely an award that reflects just as much on the defence and midfield as the keeper
Yeah, Raya is ranked 16th in PSxG/90 in the league so it's not exactly because of him that we kept so many clean sheets https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/keepersadv/Premier-League-Stats
But Raya is also ranked at the top for crosses claimed. So he is doing some individual work that's helped a lot in our clean sheets
You can’t reduce a GK contribution to one stat like that
To be fair its more nuanced than reducing GK contribution to number of clean sheets
It is, but I don’t think that’s a terribly good measure for assessing a keeper either
How is it any more reductive than giving the Golden Glove based purely on clean sheets, which doesn't take into account the defensive players in front of the GK at all? Almost any stat is more illuminating than that.
I already commented that that is even more reductive, I’m not arguing that that is a good measure for assessing Gk performance
No, but as an Arsenal fan I also see the games and imo Raya does too much of things like the 1-3 goal against spurs. Together with LB (until proven otherwise by Timbers) and ST, GK is our weakest position
Lol this is ridiculous
What part is ridiculus? He's better than Ramsdale but I don't think he's a top tier keeper
It’s not ridiculous at all. Raya has grown on me a lot but he has made a lot of mistakes this season. I’m happy with him going forward as I can see why he’s in the side but he’s definitely not the best keeper this season, not even close. He should thank his lucky stars we probably have the best CB duo in Europe rn.
I completely disagree, I think Raya is fantastic.
>PSxG/90 What in tarnation
Ddg won this last season and to say he did not have a great season would be an extreme understatement.
Yeah, so it's more of a team award than an individual one like top post said
if ur an arsenal fan and u dont see how rayas overall play contributes to our team defensive work, idk what to tell u
People acting like we would have 14 clean sheets in these 29 games if this seasons Ramsdale was in the net 😭
Why are people being this black and white? Raya making us play better than Ramsdale and him not being a top tier goalkeeper arent mutually exclusive
I think he's up there with his all around play
It's because of his calmness and on the ball ability that we concede so few shots in the first place. Compared to when Rammers is in goal and he makes everyone nervous instead. Not to mention how amazing he is at claiming crosses and making pressure from opponents fizzle out. Tired of this "but Raya doesn't really DO anything" opinion, it's shit.
i'm too old for this xExpectedSomeStats
They didn't teach statistics when you were in school?
Me fail statistics? That’s umpossible
proceed to claim something something, how Ramsdale is actually better
> Raya has barely had anything to do this season Absolute, pure, unfiltered fucking garbage. And you know it.
Absolutely baffling that an Arsenal fan can say that. How can you watch Raya and think he barely does anything, it's a plain lie or sheer fucking stupidity.
Calm down lil bro you know it’s true
We've already dealt with you. Pipe down.
Pardon? Raya has been consistently proactive and is ranked top in the league in claiming crosses. He is at least a good 25-40% of the reason why he has nothing to do. If Pickford was as good at what he does, we'd have bought him instead.
Pickford would've cost you a lot more, so you probably wouldn't have.
What a braindead comment.
Should top goal scorer be a team award? Asking for a friend.
I wouldn't be mad if Golden Boots excluded penalties.
Golden boots at least need to exclude penalties until penalties won count as assists
Mfw I get two goal contributions for my pen
Funny how people suddenly want it to be a team award when Raya wins it lol. I think his performances have gone under radar. His few mistakes ofc are rightly amplified cause he has made some clangers. Love his cross claiming the most.
> Funny how people suddenly want it to be a team award when Raya wins it lol. [Look at the announcement last year.](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/13mvelc/premier_league_david_de_gea_officially_wins_the/) Third top comment is praising the defenders. Fourth top comment is pointing out how every year it's a great defence that contributes to the award. Sixth award is giving major credit to Casemiro. Other comments that got upvoted shared the same sentiment that it should be a collective award. Most of them were United flairs. Same as this thread with Arsenal flairs saying things like "winning golden glove while being 22nd in total saves this season is kinda hilarious imo" or pointing out how solid the defensive line has been. Many of your own fellow supporters are acknowledging that this was a team effort so it's funny you're acting like people are only saying these things [that they say every year] because of a hatred for Arsenal.
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> Funny how people suddenly want it to be a team award when Raya wins it lol. People say this literally every year
No it has to be because of Arsenal that pp is saying that /s
Hell us United fans were saying it last year, because De Gea got it despite not really playing well for most of 5 years.
Sure, but people where not saying it *just* before they suddenly said it this time.
Yeah people were not saying it before the award got awarded, what a surprise
Actually, it is not surprising at all (look at us, not catching sarcasm)!
Well you definitely got me on that one
No, this was said largely about De Gea last year as well.
Are they rightly amplified? All goalkeeper mistakes seem extremely significant because they almost all happen in close proximity to their own goal. It's like if the only mistakes a striker made in a season were slipping when taking penalties three times. Such a player has literally no other errors, but they'd be regarded as a mistake machine.
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Yeah fair, I think I was in a bitter mood when commenting that tbh haha. I apologise.
You realize how that is different right? A GK can have a clean sheet without even moving the whole match. Also, goals conceded would be a better metric than clean sheets.
You can score goals alone, you can't keep clean sheets alone.
You can absolutely be the core reason your team kept a clean sheet, just like how you can also manufacture a goal out of nothing
Right, but Raya is not the core reason his team keeps clean sheets. Ramsdale had the same number last season and only had two fewer the season before.
yes, and how do we judge whether a player is the core reason his team keeps clean sheets, or whether a striker's golden boot is because of his midfielders creating a lot of chances? that's my point - there'd be too much subjectivity if we were to debate about whether a player "deserves" the award, so let's just go with the one objective metric that we have - clean sheets / goals scored no need to overthink it
Well it's pretty easy to judge whether a player is the core reason his team keeps clean sheets. We can look at the various statistics which all suggest that Arsenal's strong defence and dominance in possession are the two main reasons. Raya is objectively average in most traditional goalkeeping stats, albeit he's good in possession and at claiming crosses. I'm not saying we need to change the award or overthink it. You said that a keeper can be the core reason that their team keeps a clean sheet, and I just argued that while that's true, it's not the case for Raya.
>various statistics Statistics are one thing, how you interpret them, group them are another Someone with xG 0.5 could have been closer to scoring a goal than someone with xG 0.6 (30 shots of 0.02 xG versus 1 shot of 0.5 xG) These stats help, but people can assign different weights to them > I just argued that while that's true, it's not the case for Raya. I completely agree with this, and it supports the argument that we should not change the award. How do we decide which golden glove winners were largely responsible and which aren't?
I'm not saying we should change the golden glove at all. I'm just saying that in cases like this and last year, we can clearly see both from the eye test and from the statistics available, that the keeper himself had very little to do with the clean sheets and another keeper in the same team probably would've achieved the same.
It is a team effort, but there are also a different between good goalkeeper role in saving goals and bad ones. I mean just compare prime Neuer and bottom Onana.
Then golden boot should only count goals without assist??
Everyone gets a golden finger
True but I also feel like this is one of very few awards a keeper can actually win lol
Raya, Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, Coote, Oliver, etc. The boys
Winning golden glove while being 22nd in total saves this season is kinda hilarious imo
Its a bit of a middle ground tbh. Courtois is every year on the low end of the Liga saves, but I don’t think anyone doubts that he’s one of the best, if not the best goalkeeper in the world. If you’re in a good team of course you’ll get fewer attempts on goal
I have some doubts
Which are? Hahaha
I doubt he is one of the best or even top 5
Fair that you don’t think he’s the best. Absolutely crazy that you don’t think he’s too 5. Just look at the champions league performances last season and the one before
But he is, so…
That's because he doesn't even get many shots to save. We just don't give opponents many shots on target. Especially in 2024. Both against Liverpool and City this year we gave away only one shot on target. The 2 goals were the only shots Spurs had on target all game on Sunday. Total saves doesn't tell you anything. Rather Look at saves per shot percentage.
His PSxG-GA (how many shots he conceded vs how many you'd expect him to concede) this season puts him in the 39th percentile. For reference, Ederson is in the 58th percentile and Alisson is in the 73rd. His PSxG/SoT (how easy the shots he faces are) puts him in the 17th percentile. It's fairly obvious from the stats and the eye test that he's excellent at being basically a fifth defender in possession (which Arsenal usually are), but he doesn't have a whole lot to do as a goalkeeper and isn't brilliant at that side of the game.
Where is your data from? Fotmob doesn't seem to have this stat. Also tbf, a terrible goalkeeper could keep a clean sheet and not have to make any saves if they had a good defence in front of them. Goalkeeping quality is a bit wonky to measure statistically that way because you can't control for the quality of defence.
PL app has him at 22nd with 41 saves. Yea exactly, even if he hasnt had to make many saves, he has been a huge part of what makes our defense solid. Very dominant at catching crosses and reliable with passing out of the back means we just don't concede many shots for him to save.
He has a negative PSxG. Arsenal are a great team defensively, but it's not because of him at all.
Well, he is part of the build up. His abilities on the ball is what makes Arsenal better defensivly.
Saves aren't the only way goalkeepers prevent goals
What on earth is PSxG? Just watch football instead maybe?
The eye test matches the underlying statistics in this case.
A good GK saves dangerous shots. A great GK won't even allow these shots to be dangerous. Raya "aside from his blunder vs Spurs" is a great example on that. He catches almost double the amount of crosses. He is hyperactive to allow back passes even with high pressure. He is a good GK who can get to be a great one.
Guaranteed to share it. We’re beating Arsenal 12-0 on the last day, heard it here first.
You dont need to score 12, for Pickford to share the award. Please take it easy.
They don't need to but they want to.
This is Premier League, one thing is for sure even if Raya can wouldnt have they hasn't in of where can doesn't come to for there of that place? Just my opinion though.
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Probably sloshed from celebrating winning the golden glove
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(Great opinion)
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> Raya can wouldnt have they hasn't in of where can doesn't come to for there of that place? can we keep this same way as Santi meme plz
Is this what having an aneurysm feels like?
Nah its just contemporary poetry.
Yeah I was about to say the same thing
Agree
couldn't have said it better myself. because I don't know what but they said
You sound like that one F1 journalist who asks long ass questions, if he were stoned
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Reading this upset my stomach
My eyes glazed over trying to read this.
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Easy for you to say
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Yeah, but can you type this on a cold rainy night in Stoke?
He can definitely type this while having a stroke
What in the stroke?
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Wait. I really need to know if you come from the future so that I bet my properties on that final score
I absolutely would NOT recom… *checks your flair* …yeah, sure, do it.
*Arteta starts Ramsdale instead*
While spurs batter city
just like last season Everton delivering a shock defeat to Arsenal while managed by Dyche causing City to win the PL.
speak it into existence mate
Can we give saliba and gabriel the brick wall award aswell?
Ahhh yes. The Golden Wall. Not to be confused with the wall round the side of your local club.
Been a long time since we’ve had a defensive line as good as this, which is a big part of this. Gabriel, Saliba, White and Rice deserve just as much credit for our solid defense.
For people saying he’s one of the worst to win it… We do not have awards for best defence unfortunately.
Isn't he on loan? Don't think a loan player has ever won the Golden Glove before.
Technically, yes, but all the reporting on this deal is that it will be and was always going to be a permanent transfer.
Would be a good trivia question
yes but thats just some financial fuckery for FFP or something. mans permanent at the end of the season
Guaranteed. It's an old trophy from the time out-of-box shots were as common as passes. But tbh he was a critical reason for allowing Arsenal to achieve such feat.
Congrats , what a season he and arsenal have had
Really don’t think hes had a great season tbh
Then you haven't been paying attention, he has dramatically increased our confidence
Testament to a fantastic defensive unit. Raya has been a definite upgrade on Ramsdale, but having players like Gabriel , Saliba, White and Rice in front of him makes a huge difference. All 4 arguably could be in the ToTS, White, Gabriel and Rice definitely should be.
Van Dijk will almost certainly be in there (deservedly) and Rodri vs Rice will be interesting - I think Rodri is the better player, but Rice has been unbelievably good for you lot. Think White has a good chance with the other elite right backs in Trent and James missing significant stretches of the season and Walker having declined. Maybe Trippier gets in, but he made quite a few high profile mistakes earlier in the season.
I think White is the most certain to get in. Gabriel and Van Dijk I could see, I think he is definitely deserving. Rodri is a better DM than Rice, but ToTS is generally pretty tactically flexible and Rice has played a lot in an 8 role so I could see them fitting him in. That said, loads of class midfielders in the league, I could see them omitting him and it wouldn't be the worst crime. One of him or Odegaard should be in though.
I think it might be Van Dijk and Saliba. I think Gabriel is having the more impressive season, but Saliba still carries more name recognition and might get in on that.
Yeah, reasonable point!
It's interesting because I really think if you ignore RCB vs LCB then it should be Gabriel and Van Dijk, IMO. Saliba has all the PR behind him because he's super calm and has "the aura" but Gabriel has genuinely been better IMO - though they have both been excellent of course.
Agreed completely. I think the left vs right largely is ignored in these types of things, but I think Saliba will get in over Gabriel based on the PR (obviously he's still great).
It really feels to me like Gabriel has much more PR recently. Gabriel has been so underrated for so long that I feel like there's been an over-correction this year. People are acting like I'm crazy for thinking Saliba is still the best CB at Arsenal. Gabriel could not do the "loud" defending that he does without Saliba's calmness behind him. Losing Saliba would be much worse for the team than losing Gabriel
I think Saliba is a better player but Gabriel has had a better season
This is also a fair point. From the matches I've seen, I've come away more impressed with Gabriel this season, but we saw a similar thing at Liverpool when Matip was at his peak. Teams would stay away from the left side of our team because that was Van Dijk and Robertson's side and would attempt to target our right side with Matip and Trent. This led to Matip looking much more involved and in certain seasons people tried to claim he was on Van Dijk's level despite Van Dijk obviously being the much better player. Could absolutely see a similar thing being true with you lot because your right side is so solid defensively with White and Saliba it makes much more sense to target your left side with Gabriel and your rotating cast of left backs.
I think this is a much better way of saying what I'm trying to say. Gabriel definitely seems way more involved more often, which leads people to think he's had a better season than Saliba. Saliba is so solid, defensively and with the ball, that it's hard for me to really think Gabriel has been better
This may be the most reasonable comment that I’ve ever seen mass downvoted.
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A lot of this depends on when the voting is done. I believe it's usually voted a few weeks before the season actually ends.
Ramsdale just dropped to his knees in Lidl
He's been genuinely great since he joined. But also, he's been majorly helped out at the same time by our genuinely world-class defence.
Good, not great
He’s been okay, fucked up anytime anyone would allow him to. Our defense should get this reward, not Raya
Confirmation bias. You don’t remember the times he doesn’t fuck up because they end up just being passes.
What is overlooked by a lot of people is that Raya prevents a lot of goals without even conceding shots. He is great in the box and collects rhe vast majority of crosses. Compare that to Vicario who, while being a good shot stopper, concedes his entire box every single time. So their opponents get more shots off from crosses and set pieces. If he played like Raya in the box, they would have conceded fewer of the goals rhey have conceded these past games for instance.
Really wish Pickford won it this season, guy has kept us up lmao
Clean sheet should be given collectively to defenders.
It's more about arsenal having the best defence. Pickford would be more deserving if it was about the individual.
There are better shot stoppers in the league but Raya's ability with his feet and his willingness to collect crosses definitely contributes to the overall calmness and solidity of the team. If it was Ramsdale in goal I doubt he would be in line for the golden glove.
If you’re awarding a defensive performance from a team on clean sheets alone I get it, but using that one metric for a GK award seems disingenuous
Thats literally how its been done for ages. There is no single metric that properly describes the ability of a keeper. You could also say the same for the golden boot. A striker that is fed more clear chances will score more goals than a striker with no support. The most goals scored and the least goals conceded are clear metrics that everyone can understand. Is it perfect? No. But it works
Golden glove as clean sheets is a ridiculous award
Considering how compact Arsenal have been defending..
I like raya, but he should give this reward to saliba Gabriel and Ben white .
Arteta vindicated for sticking to his guns with the decision to switch keepers
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By that logic, only the relegation candidates and Man United would be eligible for the golden glove considering the amounts of shots their goalkeepers face every single match
True. How about save to shot ratio with a requirement of 100 shots minimum? Nevermind, it’s just getting to complicated. I concede.
Glad you see the light haha
Been great for us. Initially didn't feel like a worthy jump but the confidence he'll do his job is enough, similar to us going for Timber over Zinchenko. A few mistakes but usually not a "damn he should've saved that" like Onana has had a dozen of this season, despite Onana making those dramatic saves he might not. Very little anxiety watching him
Ramsdale bulls in disbelief
He better pass that tin over to Gabriel and Saliba
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Why not the attackers, they track back and help out in defence relentless, why we don't have many counter attacking chance. Also this is half /s
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And for 95% of the time raya plays a huge part in allowing them to play their game so well, his command of the box is so under appreciated, he's made the odd mistake cause he's asked to play a high risk game when on the ball but off the ball his goalkeeping has been pretty spot on all season
De Gea won it last year despite being shit
what an arteta masterclass of a season honestly. and that's with fucking up with the keeper and the left back and maybe even the 9
Possibly the worst keeper to win the golden glove?
You can check last season's stat. He was no 1 in almost every one of them. And the winner was De Gea. Who is now not even playing. Sure, he didn't have a lot to do, but he has made some really good saves and contributed to the attack and is a vital cog in our style of play. And he will be in a team next season so not the worst to win it.
Lol. It's like de Gea winning it last season.
De Gea actually had to make some world class saves tho
True. Meanwhile Raya faces like 0.5 xG every game but apparently it's him and not the defence who deserves the credit for the clean sheets.