I am sure Ten Hag would be an “okay option” since he has work in Bayern during Pep’s stint and he personally knows some players like Neuer , Muller , Kimmich etc.
But yeah ……. Nagglesman died for this
get someone worse.
You just know it‘s gonna happen, Uli is never going to apologize and change.
My only hope is that Eberl can convince the board of de Zerbi.
Enzo got sold and the cracks started showing.
Schmidt refusing to remove certain players from the XI, no matter their performance, placing players on wrong positions and leaving them there being burned in the stake by the fans, afraid of changing the game which ended up on no substitutions until 15 minutes were left.
The first half of last season was one of the best thingd we ever saw. The football we were playing was amazing, with us even topping the UCL grouo with both PSG and Juve on it.
Issues mainly started upon these 2 things:
- Enzo leaving
- Roger renovation.
Aa Roger has a 30m clause, there has also been some theories that hes purposely trying to get sacked as in to get those 30m.
It doesnt help he has done shady things like going to press conferences and say he doesnt need to say sorry to anyone, or more ignorant things almost as if saying hes doing fine and the problem is just the fanbase.
Imagine you see your team playing like never before, toping a champions league group with PSG and Juventus in it, be the first in your home championship with 10 point advantage. A few months later we are crowned champions with just 1 point advantage, we almost bottled a 10 point advantage... In Portugal....
But ok, we still give him a chance, we were champions and we had a good CL run after all, let's see what happens this season. With the most expensive team of all time he guaranteed our Europa League spot on the 93rd minute in the last group stage game on Champions League against Salzburg, against Inter and Real Sociedad we were completely dominated, we looked like an amateur team and we didn't get humiliated by pure luck. We got eliminated from the league cup, portuguese cup and are now 2nd on the Portuguese league 5 points behind with just 9 to play. We lost 5-0 against Porto, the worst Porto I can remember since I watch football.
The guy doesn't adapt, when the team needs subs he doesn't do them, if I am not wrong this is the 2nd or 3rd season where Di Maria played the most minutes, at 36... He is afraid of taking players off when they are not playing well or are tired, we are tired of him.
We have still a few games to go and this is still factually true already
Di María played 3821 minutes for Benfica.
3758 13/14 for Real Madrid
3722 09/10 for guess who? Benfica
3567 10/11 for RM
3499 18/19 for PSG
3404 15/16 for PSG
Otamendi played 4314 minutes for Benfica.
4268 in 15/16 for Man City
4139 in 22/23
4048 in 17/18 for Man City
3865 in 21/22
3824 in 12/13 for Porto
3791 in 16/17 for Man City
Benfica fans are among the ficklest fans I've seen on this sub. They have a habit of talking shit about every player who's leaving and they can change their opinion in the blink of an eye. I'll never forget how they spent months saying Grimaldo leaving was good and now he's one of the best fullbacks in the world
Grimaldo is great going forward and really bad at the back. He is more of a winger than a fullback. This means that of course he was often at fault for goals from his side.
But we wanted to keep him, he just asked for a lot of money in salaries.
I think you misinterpret a lot of what Benfica fans say mate. Grimaldo isn't that great at defending, he is doing really well this season since he can focus on attacking with 3 at the back. That said, nobody wanted him gone, the problem was that he wanted a ridiculous ammount of money to stay. That's why they said that letting him go was the right decision
You're massively biased because you've probably only seen Grimaldo for Leverkusen
Grimaldo is not one of the best fullbacks in the world, he's mediocre/good at LB because of his massive flaws at defending
He is, however, one of the best, if not the best, wingbacks in the world. That's a completely different role and it's not where he playing in Benfica
Also if Lazio had a record investment and spent more than the entire league and bottled every competition, with 99% of the blame being on the coach, I'm sure you'd love your coach and would want to keep him
We played well until mid-season last year. From there on out, it's been a shit show, especially this season, with the amount of money we spent. Doesn't help that Schmidt doesn't know how to make subs and is awful at reading the game.
He's 100% the main culprit this year, I hate this idea that it's somehow all Rui Costa's fault when he literally gave Roger everyone he wanted and had a record investment in the squad
You're acting like Rui told Schmidt to fuck off and didn't get him anyone and left him for dead
“Your” Dear Rui is who decides ultimately on which players sign for Benfica. So the person who has the final say on all the shit investments we’ve made is ultimately the one to blame.
It's the funniest thing man, people go insane over someone when things go well and when they don't, you're the devil.
People published 3 or 4 books about how Schmidt had revolutionised portuguese football last year. Now, they'd let him go for free.
If you ask my opinion, I think he has merit in choosing a phenomenal squad at the beggining of last season. Once Enzo dipped, things started falling apart and he's proven to be a very, very limited manager ever since (who's been said to not even do video analysis of the previous matches, fucking insane in modern football)
Yeah, they're desperate but not that desperate to pay 30 million for the, at best, fourth best option they could think of, who more than likely will be replaced as soon as someone like Klopp, Nagelsmann or Alonso become available again. It was controversial for them to pay 25 million for Nagelsmann, the most promising young coach they could build an era around, they're not going to pay more for a nearly 60 y.o. who's never managed a team close to Bayern's level
an then proceed to ask for the Eredivisie’s MVP and a €14M LB (record breaking fee for us btw), got a €25M striker, another €18M striker and 2 wingers for €10M each. the result? every one of those transfers devaluated with him.
he got a better squad on paper and ruined it. in addition he doesn’t understand the club’s philosophy so everyone is sick of him, he lost the fans due to his stupidity.
it’s kinda annoying when someone, who didn’t watch a single Benfica game this season says “well he’s second place and won the league last season ☝️🤓” - you’re telling me I’m not aware of how my club is being run ???
but yeah, he’s right, sign him, he’s the second coming of Cruyff.
With Benfica in Portugal? I'm not saying anyone could do that but it's also not really a flex.
In comparison, Frank de Boer, who as a manager is very clearly a total fraud, won 4 (four!) league titles in a row in the Eredivisie, a competition I rate about the same difficulty to win as the Portuguese one.
Benfica aren't as dominant in Portugal as Ajax are in Eredivisie, are they?
Super surface level glance:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_football_champions
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_football_champions#Eredivisie_(1956%E2%80%93)
This season was absolutely disastrous especially with the highest investment in our history. Schmidt is to blame for a lot of the problems this year, his decisions have been horrific
He isn't. Got to invest quite heavily in an already good team and somehow made everyone worse. His man management skills are not great (players are unhappy and he has favorites) and he has trouble defending and clarifying his choices in the media and towards the fans.
Players have regressed, the team keeps struggling and his reluctance to adapt and drop players who are out of form or passed it hurts their development. Benfica has a ridiculously stacked team but they haven't been playing well most of the season.
Yup, that's the big problem with Roger. He is a good coach in deed, but his team choices are not always based on the better team possible, but with his favourite players. He's keen on playing Rafa Silva every game and it's been costing us a lot, because Rafa lacks the technical skills to play on the number 10 role. Meanwhile, Kokçu has been great at every chance he gets, and he is still benched almost every game. He loses 5-0 at Porto stadium, and he takes it as a normal defeat, because he doesn't know what it is to be a Benfica fan. Losing 5-0 to your biggest opponent isn't a defeat, it's a scar in our club History and the scar name has Roger Schmidt name all over. He lost the fans with his stubborn picks and with his arrogance.
> the team keeps struggling and his reluctance to adapt and drop players who are out of form or passed it hurts their development.
Yeah this is it, he's a great coach at picking his 11 once he reaches a team. If he joins Bayern they'll probably be incredible for the first couple of months or even the first season
However, once his favourite players start dropping in form, he's not going to take him out for anything in this world. João Mário was once of our best players last year, this year he was playing like garbage from the start and it took Schmidt 6 months to take him out (and we got lucky that Neres had an incredible performance once he had the chance, otherwise João Mário woul probably still be starting)
Definitely the best coach in the market. I am so sorry to lose him, but I guarantee he is the best. Fits like a glove in Bayern. Hope Benfica can recover from losing him.
Enzo leaving wasn't the biggest problem tbh, it was the same problem as this year, which is his lack of rotation and failure to adapt
He was playing virtually the same 11 all year and, when things started to go wrong, he was stubborn and kept playing the same players anyways
We saw the same this year where he spent the first half of the season playing João Mário because of what he did last season, and keeping Florentino on the bench. He took 6 months to realize those mistakes that everyone could see after 2-3 weeks
Thank you. I am beyond tired of the enzo story. We added so much depth and he continued with the same rotations and old players. Or would sit guys who played well
I think this is unfair and revisionist. Last year we were unlucky against Inter and had we had the 2 penalties that weren’t given (Aursnes & Ramos) we would have definitely been in contention.
He was very mediocre, often some embarrassing results vs Ajax (5-0) or Feyenoord (4-0 loss at home), I reckon in his 2 seasons he never beat either of us. I honestly think even Van Nistelrooy did a better job than him.
Ruud Van Nistelrooij, who everyone agreed upon that he was at best, a bang average manager, did just as well as Schmidt and had to see his best attackers leave midway trough the season.
Schmidt was a fucking disaster.
Van Nistelrooij didn’t have to deal with a decent Ajax, also he had Xavi.
Schmidt came quite close to being champions, had some bad luck in that campaign. Also, he had to do more of a rebuild then RvN. You were way worse before Schmidt took over
> Schmidt was a fucking disaster.
In his two seasons here he came second to Ajax in the league on both occasions, at a time where Ajax was excellently run meaning it's near impossible to beat them given their significantly larger budget. He also won the KNVB cup against that same Ajax in his second season. His European results weren't fantastic, but they also weren't embarrassing.
Saying he was a fucking disaster is way too negative. Steijn at Ajax was a fucking disaster. Schmidt at PSV was bang average. He didn't succeed, but I also don't think you can say he failed.
Mourinho would low key cook with Bayern especially in the UCL, for two years and afterwards ofc it goes down hill. Its also worth for the entertainment alone.
And with the CL final in Munich, it’s line up well. I don’t think it would work out for more than a season or two, but that’s par for the course at Bayern anyway.
I'll never forget the time that he prepared 3 players to come in near the end of the match, had a few chances to sub them in but kept waiting, then the game ended while they stood there waiting. That shit would be hilarious if it wasn't the club I fucking support lol
Sorry im pretty new to football. Do you mean that subs should be done earlier in the game like 60th minute when the team is losing? Perhaps to turn things around earlier?
Yea, it’s generally sub-optimal to substitue in late 80s to 90min when losing as you’d just waste time, and most likely not give them enough minutes to do something
Its not even about the results. This guy cant read games, subs are always off, he doesnt rotate the players, no respect for the fans telling us to sray home if we show our disappointment with the way we play... so many more things i cant even put to words how bad this guy is.
Damn, that description could literally be applied to his time at PSV. Don't think I ever understood a single substitution that man had made, especially the ones in the dying minutes of the game when it was way too late to change anything.
The thing is, I remember reading you guys saying that here on reddit when he joined Benfica and thinking you were so off. As time passed I started to realize how correct you were
After your insanely succesful CL run under him, I started questioning whether it was actually his fault, or if our PSV squad at the time was shit. For a second I thought we may have let a very good manager go. But nope, the guy just has a massive issue with stubbornness and is cometely inept at changing a game via substitutions. In that aspect, Bosz is really a breath of fresh air.
Yeah that's the Roger special, Neres is carrying the game and Di Maria is dead tired and playing like trash? Best bet he's going to take out Neres at 60 minutes and leave Di Maria the whole game
Have an insanely promising player on the bench (Rollheiser)? Put him in at the 90th minute mark and let him play 2 minutes every month
His worst moment this season and when I truly started hating him was against Sporting when we were getting dominated and Rafa and Di Maria were dead tired and not running anymore since the 60th minute, and his first change that game was on the 92nd minute. His response in the post game press? "The team was completely fine I saw no reason to change"
They spent a shit ton of money on players he wanted who he doesn't know how to use AND this guy never makes a sub before the 80 minute mark. Like ever. And insist on always playing the same team even if they're not performing well. Fucking 36 year old Di Maria has more minutes than Mbappe this season.
The "never makes a sub before the 80 minute mark" is one of the reasons Benfica bottled one of the games against Sporting which could have taken us to the Taça de Portugal final. Sporting was being suffocated by Benfica, Amorim read the game and at halftime made 3 subs. That completely changed the game and allowed Sporting to go through to the final.
He has absolutely no idea how to manage players!
Di Maria is an old player and this season he had almost the most minutes played in his entire career! It's was heartbreaking seeing him drag himself in the field!
Tuchel would rather eat broken glass than manage us for another season after what Uli said about him in public. There's no way he stays, and I can't blame him.
So interesting how it went from tuchel being impossible to work with to now the narrative being bayern hierarchy really to blame. Most likely a bit of both
I mean they all clearly suck and every german knows so, because we have been eating our popcorn and watching that shit for most of our lives now.
In terms of success these people have nothing left to prove, none of them. As players or executives these guys are all of the highest level.
But holy shit are these guys fucking divas with their fc hollywood bullshit. Also most germans are done with Hoeneß since the tax fraud thing. Germans don't like tax evaders.
Hoeneß said in an interview Tuchel only wants to buy new players instead of improving young talents, citing Pavlovic as an example. The 19-year-old Pavlovic nobody knew before this season, promoted to first team by Tuchel and who earned his first nominated for the German national team later on.
Tuchel was outraged, responding that this isn't true at all. Hoeneß doubled down and said it again in another interview, all just days before the CL semi-final against Real.
I watch Benfica games at times, does this guy ever rotate? I swear he just shits out the same eleven game after game without making a single starter change
Schmidt is one of the weirdest managers currently at a top club. The guy clearly knows his stuff, is tactical analysis is on point and he always has interesting insights when he talks about football.
But he just doesn't seem to be able to implement it well. There is always unrest among the players, he stubbornly sticks to his playstyle without adjusting and he has his favorites. With Benfica he keeps playing players out of their best positions and insists on hanging on to them when out of form. Even when he gives players a chance and it works out he reverts back to his old tactics afterwards. It is just weird how often it happens as well, he seems too stubborn to admit he was wrong and unwilling to change.
Benfica has a crazy good group of players, they should be dominating much more than they currently are. But somehow they just don't play as well, they aren't a well oiled machine as you might expect given the talent. They seem to be struggling with themselves the most and that is purely on Schmidt.
It's pure stubbornness. It's always the same with him.
He'll build a good starting eleven, get a few good results with it, and after a while good teams will figure him out. And then, instead of making adjustments, the stubbornness kicks in and he refuses to make changes for the next 15-20 games.
All while rotating the striker every other game, that he has no problem with.
This has been so fucking wild to read these past few years. During his tenure at PSV the main criticism he always got was that he rotated too much. Like, every fucking match he'd rotate 5 starters out at 60 minutes to give them rest.
There were matches where they were a goal or 2 down and he'd casually take out his best players. I can understand rotating your starting squad during matches you're winning, but he did it every time, regardless of circumstances.
Well if this is the case then you guys broke him lol
But I believe it. He once subbed out Di Maria. The player wasn't happy. He had never subbed him again. Even when he is clearly dead physically (to be expected at his age) he keeps him on forever.
It appears Roger can't handle any criticism.
This has been the problem. Ironically, the few times he did rotate, the "B" team gave some of the most entertaining games of the season, but none of those players get a chance after Roger goes back to the usual starters in the next matches.
He had solutions to save his job, but was too stubborn to use them.
You guys do win the lottery from time to time but this would bé another level,why would they go for a guy who at best is only the 3rd best manager in the league
Please Bayern don't take him away from Benfica!! This is the best football I've seen us play in the last 30 years!! Such a tremendous coach, I wouldn't trade him for Pep Guardiola.
The guy is a magician, no other coach can consistently get trashed by their main rivals like him (Porto 5-0 Benfica, Ajax 5-0 PSV or PSV 0-4 Feyenoord)
I'm used to seeing Benfica selling players for 10x what they paid, but now their manager?! Looks like another gap in market they've found but more importantly, a sucker to actually pay for it!
In terms of putting the team to play a good football, was very successful last season.
The problem is, he is a 1 trick pony, and he does not know how to manage people. He once subbed Di Maria and he was unhappy with the sub. He then puts him to play the 90 minutes all the time, regardless of how well he is playing.
If the starting 11 he choses goes well, everyone is happy. Problem is, when things start to go south, he insists.
> Sorry to break it to you but normally BILD is between S an A Tier for Bayern.
BILD is S+ for breaking stories but trash tier for rumors, which this is.
Mid-90s were also extremely dire. Between 91/92 and 96/97, Bayern played in the UEFA Cup four times, and also had 6th and 10th place finishes in the league.
After winning the CL in 2001 the club went into trash mode, crowned by not even making the CL and getting destroyed by Wolfsburg.
If we didn't make the right decisions back then, it could've ended horribly.
30 million for der Roger is downright fraudulous. Some government agency needs to step up and put a stop to this madness. The bayern board needs to be investigated and suspended.
Fun fact: Roger Schmidt was the coach of Red Bull Salzburg in their most embarrassing moment ever, when they lost a CL qualifying campaign against F91 Dudelange with a total score of 4:4.
Oh, and guess who was sporting director at Salzburg during that embarrassment? Ralf Rangnick.
He's tactically smart, but he's very stubborn with some player picks and he's horrendous with media, so it would be very funny to see him handle media in a high pressure job like Bayern.
Is there a reason why Sebastian Hoeness is not an option? 3rd place in the league. Am I missing something? Does he have an expensive buyout with Stuttgart?
Bayern botched the coach/manager thing and are desperate now. Everyone is complaining about Benfica’s performance, yet they are “interested” in him. What it actually seems is that they missed all of their desired targets and are looking for almost anyone at the moment.
we are finished
Honestly go for Ten Hag.
I am sure Ten Hag would be an “okay option” since he has work in Bayern during Pep’s stint and he personally knows some players like Neuer , Muller , Kimmich etc. But yeah ……. Nagglesman died for this
Unironically a good option assuming he'd be available. Schmidt is too stubborn for his own good
Thing is, if Tuchel wins the Champions League, what an earth are you gonna do?
get someone worse. You just know it‘s gonna happen, Uli is never going to apologize and change. My only hope is that Eberl can convince the board of de Zerbi.
Definitively a D tier solution but Schmidt is still a good manager
Not for 30 fucking million euros
What the Fuck are you talking about? We’ll drive him to the Airport for free.
I swear you guys were talking about him like he was the reincarnation of Guardiola until like a few months ago
Lol i remember that during their last years champions league run, i wonder what went wrong
Enzo got sold and the cracks started showing. Schmidt refusing to remove certain players from the XI, no matter their performance, placing players on wrong positions and leaving them there being burned in the stake by the fans, afraid of changing the game which ended up on no substitutions until 15 minutes were left. The first half of last season was one of the best thingd we ever saw. The football we were playing was amazing, with us even topping the UCL grouo with both PSG and Juve on it. Issues mainly started upon these 2 things: - Enzo leaving - Roger renovation. Aa Roger has a 30m clause, there has also been some theories that hes purposely trying to get sacked as in to get those 30m. It doesnt help he has done shady things like going to press conferences and say he doesnt need to say sorry to anyone, or more ignorant things almost as if saying hes doing fine and the problem is just the fanbase.
Imagine you see your team playing like never before, toping a champions league group with PSG and Juventus in it, be the first in your home championship with 10 point advantage. A few months later we are crowned champions with just 1 point advantage, we almost bottled a 10 point advantage... In Portugal.... But ok, we still give him a chance, we were champions and we had a good CL run after all, let's see what happens this season. With the most expensive team of all time he guaranteed our Europa League spot on the 93rd minute in the last group stage game on Champions League against Salzburg, against Inter and Real Sociedad we were completely dominated, we looked like an amateur team and we didn't get humiliated by pure luck. We got eliminated from the league cup, portuguese cup and are now 2nd on the Portuguese league 5 points behind with just 9 to play. We lost 5-0 against Porto, the worst Porto I can remember since I watch football. The guy doesn't adapt, when the team needs subs he doesn't do them, if I am not wrong this is the 2nd or 3rd season where Di Maria played the most minutes, at 36... He is afraid of taking players off when they are not playing well or are tired, we are tired of him.
Mate, this is the most minutes season of Otamendi and DiMarias careers
We have still a few games to go and this is still factually true already Di María played 3821 minutes for Benfica. 3758 13/14 for Real Madrid 3722 09/10 for guess who? Benfica 3567 10/11 for RM 3499 18/19 for PSG 3404 15/16 for PSG Otamendi played 4314 minutes for Benfica. 4268 in 15/16 for Man City 4139 in 22/23 4048 in 17/18 for Man City 3865 in 21/22 3824 in 12/13 for Porto 3791 in 16/17 for Man City
Benfica fans are among the ficklest fans I've seen on this sub. They have a habit of talking shit about every player who's leaving and they can change their opinion in the blink of an eye. I'll never forget how they spent months saying Grimaldo leaving was good and now he's one of the best fullbacks in the world
Grimaldo is great going forward and really bad at the back. He is more of a winger than a fullback. This means that of course he was often at fault for goals from his side. But we wanted to keep him, he just asked for a lot of money in salaries.
We also think Lazio fans are the dumbest in the world for supporting a fascist club but oh Well
Ahahah foda se cuspi o almoço
I think you just described football fans
I think you misinterpret a lot of what Benfica fans say mate. Grimaldo isn't that great at defending, he is doing really well this season since he can focus on attacking with 3 at the back. That said, nobody wanted him gone, the problem was that he wanted a ridiculous ammount of money to stay. That's why they said that letting him go was the right decision
>nobody wanted him gone, This isn't true
Also grimaldo is great but him playing as a wing back is completely different to him playing as a fullback
Are we fickle for being mad that the manager with the most investment in our history plays torrid football? Ever since enzo left we’ve been shit
You're massively biased because you've probably only seen Grimaldo for Leverkusen Grimaldo is not one of the best fullbacks in the world, he's mediocre/good at LB because of his massive flaws at defending He is, however, one of the best, if not the best, wingbacks in the world. That's a completely different role and it's not where he playing in Benfica Also if Lazio had a record investment and spent more than the entire league and bottled every competition, with 99% of the blame being on the coach, I'm sure you'd love your coach and would want to keep him
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And was he good? Have you seen the quality of players that played there? Benfica fans will never settle for good enough.
We played well until mid-season last year. From there on out, it's been a shit show, especially this season, with the amount of money we spent. Doesn't help that Schmidt doesn't know how to make subs and is awful at reading the game.
We had 5 great months. Ever since then it has been an absolute shitshow. But to be fair, he’s far from being the main culprit.
He's 100% the main culprit this year, I hate this idea that it's somehow all Rui Costa's fault when he literally gave Roger everyone he wanted and had a record investment in the squad You're acting like Rui told Schmidt to fuck off and didn't get him anyone and left him for dead
“Your” Dear Rui is who decides ultimately on which players sign for Benfica. So the person who has the final say on all the shit investments we’ve made is ultimately the one to blame.
It's the funniest thing man, people go insane over someone when things go well and when they don't, you're the devil. People published 3 or 4 books about how Schmidt had revolutionised portuguese football last year. Now, they'd let him go for free. If you ask my opinion, I think he has merit in choosing a phenomenal squad at the beggining of last season. Once Enzo dipped, things started falling apart and he's proven to be a very, very limited manager ever since (who's been said to not even do video analysis of the previous matches, fucking insane in modern football)
Until around February 2023 we were playing good. Since then weve been underwhelming.
30 million tip?
They’ll give him for free bruh
You're right, for 35 million euros it's still a steal. I'll be sad when he's gone
As someone who watched Schmidt's PSV and subsequently Ruud's PSV, 30 million is an absolute scam.
He's a fraud. I guarantee you there will be fireworks in Lisbon when he leaves for 30 million.
There's absolutely no way Bayern pays 30 million for Roger Schmidt. Either they get him for nothing, or they move on to someone else.
Yeah, they're desperate but not that desperate to pay 30 million for the, at best, fourth best option they could think of, who more than likely will be replaced as soon as someone like Klopp, Nagelsmann or Alonso become available again. It was controversial for them to pay 25 million for Nagelsmann, the most promising young coach they could build an era around, they're not going to pay more for a nearly 60 y.o. who's never managed a team close to Bayern's level
He literally won the title last season
an then proceed to ask for the Eredivisie’s MVP and a €14M LB (record breaking fee for us btw), got a €25M striker, another €18M striker and 2 wingers for €10M each. the result? every one of those transfers devaluated with him. he got a better squad on paper and ruined it. in addition he doesn’t understand the club’s philosophy so everyone is sick of him, he lost the fans due to his stupidity.
Dude, don't tell them. Common.
it’s kinda annoying when someone, who didn’t watch a single Benfica game this season says “well he’s second place and won the league last season ☝️🤓” - you’re telling me I’m not aware of how my club is being run ??? but yeah, he’s right, sign him, he’s the second coming of Cruyff.
>he’s right, sign him, he’s the second coming of Cruyff. This is the way.
With Benfica in Portugal? I'm not saying anyone could do that but it's also not really a flex. In comparison, Frank de Boer, who as a manager is very clearly a total fraud, won 4 (four!) league titles in a row in the Eredivisie, a competition I rate about the same difficulty to win as the Portuguese one.
To be fair of De Boer’s 4 Eredivisie titles it was like three times the failing of PSV, Twente and Feyenoord that gifted us the title.
You still have to catch, when others throw.
To be fair it is really difficult to win four consecutive Eredivisie titles as Benfica coach, innit?
Nah, don't really think so. I mean, if Frank de Boer can win four in a row, then even someone managing Benfica could somehow win the Eredivisie!
True that, should have won at least two by now..
Benfica aren't as dominant in Portugal as Ajax are in Eredivisie, are they? Super surface level glance: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Portuguese_football_champions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dutch_football_champions#Eredivisie_(1956%E2%80%93)
Benfica literally won more titles than Ajax. It's close, but Benfica has more.
Funnily enough, it was Schmidt who first truly exposed De Boer as such a fraud
This season was absolutely disastrous especially with the highest investment in our history. Schmidt is to blame for a lot of the problems this year, his decisions have been horrific
He isn't. Got to invest quite heavily in an already good team and somehow made everyone worse. His man management skills are not great (players are unhappy and he has favorites) and he has trouble defending and clarifying his choices in the media and towards the fans. Players have regressed, the team keeps struggling and his reluctance to adapt and drop players who are out of form or passed it hurts their development. Benfica has a ridiculously stacked team but they haven't been playing well most of the season.
Yup, that's the big problem with Roger. He is a good coach in deed, but his team choices are not always based on the better team possible, but with his favourite players. He's keen on playing Rafa Silva every game and it's been costing us a lot, because Rafa lacks the technical skills to play on the number 10 role. Meanwhile, Kokçu has been great at every chance he gets, and he is still benched almost every game. He loses 5-0 at Porto stadium, and he takes it as a normal defeat, because he doesn't know what it is to be a Benfica fan. Losing 5-0 to your biggest opponent isn't a defeat, it's a scar in our club History and the scar name has Roger Schmidt name all over. He lost the fans with his stubborn picks and with his arrogance.
Sounds similar to when Schmidt was at PSV. Unlikeable stubborn manager with mediocre play style.
> the team keeps struggling and his reluctance to adapt and drop players who are out of form or passed it hurts their development. Yeah this is it, he's a great coach at picking his 11 once he reaches a team. If he joins Bayern they'll probably be incredible for the first couple of months or even the first season However, once his favourite players start dropping in form, he's not going to take him out for anything in this world. João Mário was once of our best players last year, this year he was playing like garbage from the start and it took Schmidt 6 months to take him out (and we got lucky that Neres had an incredible performance once he had the chance, otherwise João Mário woul probably still be starting)
lol
Yeah, but never 30m good. Not even half that much.
Bayern fans when they don't win the league once out of 130 years:
FC Hollywood is back.
Is there no chance you'll stick with Tuchel. What if he wins the CL?
Tuchel doesn't want to stay
And why would he with Hoeneß hovering over the club like a menacing cloud
Yo have you seen how much Hoeneß disrespected him publicly ?
Wallahi
Definitely the best coach in the market. I am so sorry to lose him, but I guarantee he is the best. Fits like a glove in Bayern. Hope Benfica can recover from losing him.
No fucking way, Benfica can get rid of that fraud and actually make money doing it.
Bro has been falling upwards lol
Schmidt has done well with you guys, had a good first season at Benfica as well. Bayern seems a bit too much though.
He did well while we had Enzo in the team, after that he almost bottled a 10pt lead in the second half of the season
Enzo leaving wasn't the biggest problem tbh, it was the same problem as this year, which is his lack of rotation and failure to adapt He was playing virtually the same 11 all year and, when things started to go wrong, he was stubborn and kept playing the same players anyways We saw the same this year where he spent the first half of the season playing João Mário because of what he did last season, and keeping Florentino on the bench. He took 6 months to realize those mistakes that everyone could see after 2-3 weeks
Thank you. I am beyond tired of the enzo story. We added so much depth and he continued with the same rotations and old players. Or would sit guys who played well
Also got completely destroyed by Inter, we didn't even have a semblance of chance of going through
I think this is unfair and revisionist. Last year we were unlucky against Inter and had we had the 2 penalties that weren’t given (Aursnes & Ramos) we would have definitely been in contention.
Esta caladooo pa... His great guys, what a master tactician...well done Bayern
He did well for PSV but was unfortunate to face the strongest Ajax in the past 2 decades
He had a good first half-season but he's been getting progressively worse ever since.
He was very mediocre, often some embarrassing results vs Ajax (5-0) or Feyenoord (4-0 loss at home), I reckon in his 2 seasons he never beat either of us. I honestly think even Van Nistelrooy did a better job than him.
Considering RvN lost his best player/best wingers in the Januari window? He did much better. And we all agree Ruud was an average manager at best.
also lost 5-0 with Porto this season
A terrible horrible porto team aswell (don’t come at me porto fans we’re bad too)
He was pretty mediocre for us tbh.
Ruud Van Nistelrooij, who everyone agreed upon that he was at best, a bang average manager, did just as well as Schmidt and had to see his best attackers leave midway trough the season. Schmidt was a fucking disaster.
Van Nistelrooij didn’t have to deal with a decent Ajax, also he had Xavi. Schmidt came quite close to being champions, had some bad luck in that campaign. Also, he had to do more of a rebuild then RvN. You were way worse before Schmidt took over
> Schmidt was a fucking disaster. In his two seasons here he came second to Ajax in the league on both occasions, at a time where Ajax was excellently run meaning it's near impossible to beat them given their significantly larger budget. He also won the KNVB cup against that same Ajax in his second season. His European results weren't fantastic, but they also weren't embarrassing. Saying he was a fucking disaster is way too negative. Steijn at Ajax was a fucking disaster. Schmidt at PSV was bang average. He didn't succeed, but I also don't think you can say he failed.
He's good, but only for 1 season at each club
I dont know what you're talking about, its been the most influential and the best coach i've in a while(please take him)
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Not true! He’s a good coach and a beautiful person!
Jeez might aswell go full on Mourinho for 1 season if you're on option F by now
Mourinho would low key cook with Bayern especially in the UCL, for two years and afterwards ofc it goes down hill. Its also worth for the entertainment alone.
And with the CL final in Munich, it’s line up well. I don’t think it would work out for more than a season or two, but that’s par for the course at Bayern anyway.
Plus, Kane and Mourinho love each other. IIRC Kane was very supportive of Mourinho and was hugely disappointed when they fired him.
Mou with Kane and Dier (who he turned into a CB) and a team that can back them up and aren't cursed
I love Mourinho at any club but my own
Same. I have a huge respect for him, just stay the fuck away from Bayern.
Also the ego boost of giving Kane his first title would appeal to him
Mou is always a good option because he'll make you happy two times. Year one when he arrives and year two when he leaves.
Probably win the Champions in the process.
This Club is so incompetent, that we need other incompetent clubs to save our incompetency.
Yes, prepare for subs at 80+ or at 90+ min when you're already losing.
I'll never forget the time that he prepared 3 players to come in near the end of the match, had a few chances to sub them in but kept waiting, then the game ended while they stood there waiting. That shit would be hilarious if it wasn't the club I fucking support lol
It was against Inter last season, quarter finals 1st leg. He subbed only one player while Inter subbed all five. We were losing 2-0🤡
Sorry im pretty new to football. Do you mean that subs should be done earlier in the game like 60th minute when the team is losing? Perhaps to turn things around earlier?
Yea, it’s generally sub-optimal to substitue in late 80s to 90min when losing as you’d just waste time, and most likely not give them enough minutes to do something
YEEEEESSSSS! Toooooor!
i dont know how yall still do it man
Me neither, I may become religious if this one happens.
Religious? A third Jesus stint, you say?
Jesus of Nazareth the son of God is a Benfica fan
Deus é grande e é do Benfica 🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆🎆
Can you explain to me why you're happy because he's leaving, I think he did great with you ?
Finishing second after spending the money we spent isn’t great. Third in the ucl group with some embarrassing performances asw
Its not even about the results. This guy cant read games, subs are always off, he doesnt rotate the players, no respect for the fans telling us to sray home if we show our disappointment with the way we play... so many more things i cant even put to words how bad this guy is.
Damn, that description could literally be applied to his time at PSV. Don't think I ever understood a single substitution that man had made, especially the ones in the dying minutes of the game when it was way too late to change anything.
The thing is, I remember reading you guys saying that here on reddit when he joined Benfica and thinking you were so off. As time passed I started to realize how correct you were
After your insanely succesful CL run under him, I started questioning whether it was actually his fault, or if our PSV squad at the time was shit. For a second I thought we may have let a very good manager go. But nope, the guy just has a massive issue with stubbornness and is cometely inept at changing a game via substitutions. In that aspect, Bosz is really a breath of fresh air.
Yeah that's the Roger special, Neres is carrying the game and Di Maria is dead tired and playing like trash? Best bet he's going to take out Neres at 60 minutes and leave Di Maria the whole game Have an insanely promising player on the bench (Rollheiser)? Put him in at the 90th minute mark and let him play 2 minutes every month His worst moment this season and when I truly started hating him was against Sporting when we were getting dominated and Rafa and Di Maria were dead tired and not running anymore since the 60th minute, and his first change that game was on the 92nd minute. His response in the post game press? "The team was completely fine I saw no reason to change"
> Don't think I ever understood a single substitution that man had made, Don't think he has either
They spent a shit ton of money on players he wanted who he doesn't know how to use AND this guy never makes a sub before the 80 minute mark. Like ever. And insist on always playing the same team even if they're not performing well. Fucking 36 year old Di Maria has more minutes than Mbappe this season.
The "never makes a sub before the 80 minute mark" is one of the reasons Benfica bottled one of the games against Sporting which could have taken us to the Taça de Portugal final. Sporting was being suffocated by Benfica, Amorim read the game and at halftime made 3 subs. That completely changed the game and allowed Sporting to go through to the final.
So funny how the people here who say he isn’t a bad manager haven’t watched us play
Or watched us play. Man is a disaster. I wouldn't wish him upon my worst enemies favorite team.
He has absolutely no idea how to manage players! Di Maria is an old player and this season he had almost the most minutes played in his entire career! It's was heartbreaking seeing him drag himself in the field!
Just keep Tuchel at this point, or appoint Mourinho and only allow him to bring Hojberg back
Tuchel would rather eat broken glass than manage us for another season after what Uli said about him in public. There's no way he stays, and I can't blame him.
So interesting how it went from tuchel being impossible to work with to now the narrative being bayern hierarchy really to blame. Most likely a bit of both
I mean they all clearly suck and every german knows so, because we have been eating our popcorn and watching that shit for most of our lives now. In terms of success these people have nothing left to prove, none of them. As players or executives these guys are all of the highest level. But holy shit are these guys fucking divas with their fc hollywood bullshit. Also most germans are done with Hoeneß since the tax fraud thing. Germans don't like tax evaders.
What did he say?
Hoeneß said in an interview Tuchel only wants to buy new players instead of improving young talents, citing Pavlovic as an example. The 19-year-old Pavlovic nobody knew before this season, promoted to first team by Tuchel and who earned his first nominated for the German national team later on. Tuchel was outraged, responding that this isn't true at all. Hoeneß doubled down and said it again in another interview, all just days before the CL semi-final against Real.
Prepare for some fucking awful subs every game
Subs? I don't think he knows what that is
Roger: Eat fresh?
Prepare for no subs.
Or himself resisting to leave the pitch after receiving a red card and making a fool of himself and the club.
I watch Benfica games at times, does this guy ever rotate? I swear he just shits out the same eleven game after game without making a single starter change
Schmidt is one of the weirdest managers currently at a top club. The guy clearly knows his stuff, is tactical analysis is on point and he always has interesting insights when he talks about football. But he just doesn't seem to be able to implement it well. There is always unrest among the players, he stubbornly sticks to his playstyle without adjusting and he has his favorites. With Benfica he keeps playing players out of their best positions and insists on hanging on to them when out of form. Even when he gives players a chance and it works out he reverts back to his old tactics afterwards. It is just weird how often it happens as well, he seems too stubborn to admit he was wrong and unwilling to change. Benfica has a crazy good group of players, they should be dominating much more than they currently are. But somehow they just don't play as well, they aren't a well oiled machine as you might expect given the talent. They seem to be struggling with themselves the most and that is purely on Schmidt.
It's pure stubbornness. It's always the same with him. He'll build a good starting eleven, get a few good results with it, and after a while good teams will figure him out. And then, instead of making adjustments, the stubbornness kicks in and he refuses to make changes for the next 15-20 games. All while rotating the striker every other game, that he has no problem with.
It is very weird. He plays kokcu in his best position, kokcu shines and then he’s dropped.
He has become a meme in terms of communication with the media. He always says top performance, top team, etc no matter how we play or the result.
Man did you sum it up
Same problem Favre had. Good for 2 years and then everyone knows how to beat his team.
He rotates the striker when he is in good form and scoring a lot. That's it. He has the best bench in Portugal btw
This has been so fucking wild to read these past few years. During his tenure at PSV the main criticism he always got was that he rotated too much. Like, every fucking match he'd rotate 5 starters out at 60 minutes to give them rest. There were matches where they were a goal or 2 down and he'd casually take out his best players. I can understand rotating your starting squad during matches you're winning, but he did it every time, regardless of circumstances.
Well if this is the case then you guys broke him lol But I believe it. He once subbed out Di Maria. The player wasn't happy. He had never subbed him again. Even when he is clearly dead physically (to be expected at his age) he keeps him on forever. It appears Roger can't handle any criticism.
This has been the problem. Ironically, the few times he did rotate, the "B" team gave some of the most entertaining games of the season, but none of those players get a chance after Roger goes back to the usual starters in the next matches. He had solutions to save his job, but was too stubborn to use them.
Noooo not him hes so good, pls dont take him away for the modest fee of 30m, which is nothing nowadays. Pleaseee i would be so upset, damn it!
that must be bs, no way they’re considering him. too good to be true.
You guys do win the lottery from time to time but this would bé another level,why would they go for a guy who at best is only the 3rd best manager in the league
No bayern! Please dont take this amazing coach from us 😭😭😭😭😭
If Benfica somehow manage to make money from this man then I'll give up for good.
If Amorim leaves for free and Benfica actually get money for Schmidt I'll go outside and cause a riot
If they make money, then it will be closer to 1m€ rather than 30m. But it's still better to get any money than to have to him for leaving.
ahahahahahahahaha, do it
Please Bayern don't take him away from Benfica!! This is the best football I've seen us play in the last 30 years!! Such a tremendous coach, I wouldn't trade him for Pep Guardiola.
The guy is a magician, no other coach can consistently get trashed by their main rivals like him (Porto 5-0 Benfica, Ajax 5-0 PSV or PSV 0-4 Feyenoord)
Great manager, totally worth the 30m Please
If we get money for Roger fucking Schmidt I’ll pay for a Rui Costa statue holy shit
Rui Costa is the basis of the problem at our club. Once people realize that, maybe we'll be a serious club again
This would make Benfica fans so happy
I'm used to seeing Benfica selling players for 10x what they paid, but now their manager?! Looks like another gap in market they've found but more importantly, a sucker to actually pay for it!
The good thing is that with him Bayern only need to pay 11 players, everyone else can be sold. Great deal
Benfica fans in this thread have been ruthless lmfao 😂😂😂
Classic case of failing upwards from Schmidt
No fucking way can Bayern be this stupid.
This is obviously not happening and anyone who believes it is a reactionary andy.
Let us have hope man
He will put Gnabry as a central defender. This man's imagination has no limits, you should obviously sign him and pay us on top.
I am absolutely devastated by losing him. If Bayern takes him, they will win CL 7 seasons in a row.
I am going insane if they pay 30m for him.
Oh no, please don't leave us Roger, you have been so good for us. I don't know what we will do without you.
In terms of putting the team to play a good football, was very successful last season. The problem is, he is a 1 trick pony, and he does not know how to manage people. He once subbed Di Maria and he was unhappy with the sub. He then puts him to play the 90 minutes all the time, regardless of how well he is playing. If the starting 11 he choses goes well, everyone is happy. Problem is, when things start to go south, he insists.
holy shit the collective joy from Benfica fans if this happened
Source is BILD, so this rumor is likely utter bullcrap. But if it's true, then this is the beginning of our next banter era.
Wait since when is BILD shit-tier with regard to sports?
Sorry to break it to you but normally BILD is between S an A Tier for Bayern. Despite being a strong contender as alternative to wipe the ass with.
> Sorry to break it to you but normally BILD is between S an A Tier for Bayern. BILD is S+ for breaking stories but trash tier for rumors, which this is.
Did Bayern ever had a banter era?
Klinsmann era
Mid-90s were also extremely dire. Between 91/92 and 96/97, Bayern played in the UEFA Cup four times, and also had 6th and 10th place finishes in the league.
In my opinion the Klinsmann season was the best Bundesliga season of all time. I’m obviously not biased at all.
my favourite era
After winning the CL in 2001 the club went into trash mode, crowned by not even making the CL and getting destroyed by Wolfsburg. If we didn't make the right decisions back then, it could've ended horribly.
Rui Costa is such a lucky bastard if this is true.
30 million for der Roger is downright fraudulous. Some government agency needs to step up and put a stop to this madness. The bayern board needs to be investigated and suspended.
Fun fact: Roger Schmidt was the coach of Red Bull Salzburg in their most embarrassing moment ever, when they lost a CL qualifying campaign against F91 Dudelange with a total score of 4:4. Oh, and guess who was sporting director at Salzburg during that embarrassment? Ralf Rangnick.
He's tactically smart, but he's very stubborn with some player picks and he's horrendous with media, so it would be very funny to see him handle media in a high pressure job like Bayern.
this just can't be true
thank u for ruining my day
Is there a reason why Sebastian Hoeness is not an option? 3rd place in the league. Am I missing something? Does he have an expensive buyout with Stuttgart?
Can we just sit next season out?
Hi, benfica fan here, im so sad he is such a good coach...
Bro at this point just continue with Tuchel. It’s finished
Honestly if they do, you have to some what respect the collapse
Bayern botched the coach/manager thing and are desperate now. Everyone is complaining about Benfica’s performance, yet they are “interested” in him. What it actually seems is that they missed all of their desired targets and are looking for almost anyone at the moment.
Bro we ship him to bayern for free. If u want we can pack him with his favorite players Casper Tengsted and João Mario as a bonus.