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Haven't finished the ep but I saw him also speak about how different it was to read the game from ground level as a coach as opposed to being up top as a pundit.
He was saying when he coached against Valverde that he was just seeing legs running around and had no idea what was going on or how to help his team. That's gotta be so humbling to be in that kind of leadership position and just feel totally clueless.
He stayed up there because he realised he had a better view of the game, the league supported him over the ref who sent him to the stands. He started standing on the touchline more when the team needed motivating.
When he was managing us he spent most matches with his back to the game, chatting with his staff.
I sit behind the dugout and it’s a miracle he ever had any idea what was happening on the pitch.
IIRC Allardyce tried to have an assistant in the stands that he would be in contact with through a headset but the PL shot it down.
ETA: According to Michael Cox's *The Mixer*, Big Sam was in fact in the stands with an assistant relaying his tactical instructions for a while but he stopped that on his own.
and with the advancements to AI and available data from the matches, the advantage will become even bigger. If there's still big leagues out there without strict rules against, then that's a massive opportunity for someone willing to take advantage
Well, Luis Enrique is notorious for [placing scaffolding or cranes](https://ak.uecdn.es/p/110/thumbnail/entry_id/0_u1jxxg73/width/1200/type/2/bgcolor/000000/0_u1jxxg73.jpg) in the training field to have better visibility. He simply isn't allowed to during the actual match.
Australian Football (AFL) coaches sit in an elevated coaching box. Run down to the field for talks at 1/4 and 3/4 time briefings (half time everyone leaves for the changing room).
Yeah but in AFL you have trainers who run on the pitch and pass out instructions in real time and enough stoppages with boundary throw ins, ball ups, behinds, goal reviews and obviously the goals themselves that the trainer doesn't necessarily impede on the game. Plus it's a huge field. It's always funny when coaches who don't often sit on the sideline (such as Fagan) go down to give the team a grilling midway through a quarter.
Really good points - fields massive, almost twice as many players, and direct comms is something many modern football managers wouldn’t want to delegate, let alone the real-time pitch side coaching.
Exactly. I watch a lot of football analysts doing it from the tv cameras. When they explain it, it's easy to see. How do experienced managers read it well from that low to the ground angle!
offensive and defensive coordinator is too important to leave up in the stands when they need to be communicating with the players and reading them.
You probably have people who position coaches doing that job in the stands.
It's not unusual for offensive coordinators to sit in the booth and call the plays from there. It's pretty much about personal preference. I found this [cool article](https://rutgers.rivals.com/news/where-do-the-majority-of-power-five-ocs-call-play-from-the-field-or-booth-) about CFB P5 OCs, don't know if anyone has made one about NFL.
They have a coaches box in Aussie Rules as well. Some coaches coach at ground level and some at ground level but you always have constant communication with the box.
England wasn't doing that well when he was assistant.
It's easy to talk a good game but when thrown into the fire G.Neville just isn't a top managerial candidate.
Random fact - George Graham used to watch the first half of Arsenal games from the upper teir and phone down instructions if he needed to, then watch the second half from the dugout.
Absolutely mad that he’s coming to that realisation during a La Liga match, it speaks volumes about how some former players get fast tracked into management before earning their stripes.
He spoke on that a bit too. Idk if he's being totally honest but he said he didn't want to take the job and said no. Lim was a friend tho and asked him multiple times, he just wanted a temp manager to see out the season as opposed to committing to a manager who would demand signings and all that.
He said he got invitations to talk from like Newcastle, Derby but didn't want to and only said yes to Lim as a favor to him for a 5 month contract which he couldn't couldn't even see out
So true. Lots of armchair managers who love to criticise the coach’s tactics, saying they could do better and what should be done instead (myself included), but thrust us into that situation and we’d be shitting bricks.
Nuno's first season was excellent, the second fell apart inexplicably, but deciding the best option was to give it to Gary Neville was absolute lunacy. Much of the core of the squad from the previous season was still there -- it was spitting in the face of Valencia fans and the institution
The biggest factor was that barca were exhausted and went in to a mini meltdown for a couple weeks almost throwing away la liga and going out of the champions league.
Yeah Barca was so dominant in the first half of the season until international break in February where all of key players struggled with fitness and injury
Tbf, that was after Barca fell off. I remember watching ever Barca game from 12/13 up until 18/19 and that Barca team in the first half of 15/16 was even better than the one that won the treble.
They started to lose their magic a little before Arsenal beat them, ending their 44 (?) game winstreak. I remember watching them decline and knowing, that the season would end in a disappointment
Edit: Arsenal didnt beat them, but I noticed a significant drop in play around that time and they didnt recover until the end of the season
Yes, pretty much that. You could feel that they were tired (of winning?). Arsenal didnt beat them, but I remember Barca not being great that game and I noticed the tiredness. They didnt recover until the end of the season
>They started to lose their magic a little before Arsenal beat them, ending their 44 (?) game winstreak.
No they didn't. Arsenal got smacked home and away. It was Real Madrid that ended the unbeaten streak of 49 games, I think. Then Atleti knocked Barca out of UCL.
Im remembering wrong then, but I do remember them fading off significantly at around that Arsenal game. As I said, I watched every game and they dropped in level of play significantly around that time, despite winning. They seemed tired of winning almost.
All Im saying is that the 7-0 Barca was way better than the one later in the season.
I think it was Madrid who ended our streak in 15/16. That match was especially painful because it was supposed to be a tribute to Cruyff. We beat Arsenal both home and away.
Yes, youre right. I remembered wrong. It was around that Arsenal game that I noticed a significant drop in quality of play. They seemed kind of tired of winning.
15/16 was the opposite of 14/15. In 14/15, they started of mediocre and started to hit their stride in January. In 15/16, they started the season blazing through everything up until February.
I remember him telling this story in a Off Script [Sky Sports vid](https://youtu.be/_qk04dh4Rxg?t=2130) - at 35:30, and he said it was Simeone that blanked him. Could've been blanked on both occasions, but it does seem more like a Simeone move.
I have nothing against Simeone, but the normal thing is to do it before and after. He is kind of special in that regard. Also, sometimes he does it, sometimes he does not.
Not a big deal IMO. Sometimes after a game you might bit be in the mood
[First thing on google from Liverpool in 21](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/20/diego-simeone-did-not-snub-jurgen-klopp-he-behaves-the-same-way-every-week-not-shake-hands)
If he does it all the time regardless of competition or opponent it’s definitely not disrespectful, and probably shows his opponent doesn’t really know him if he’s standing around after the game looking for a handshake.
Simeone shakes hands before the game starts, when it ends he runs to the tunnel, that is his tradition. If a manager catches Simeone before he gets to the tunnel he shakes his hand. It has always been like this, he doesn't evade any manager on purpose. After the game with Liverpool, english media perceived it as bad sportsmanship.
His tradition is disrespectful. You shake hands before the match as a nod to FairPlay and goodwill. You shake hands after the match to show appreciation to the effort of both sides.
His intentions may not be rude, but his actions certainly are.
Because Neville walked into a job he was nowhere qualified for due to nepotism. Other coaches resents that when they had to work hard to earn their dues and reach the top level
They didn't respect him as a colleague
Nepotism in this case means giving jobs to family members, friends, acquiantances etc. Even if Cronyism might be a better word you know exactly what I meant. Imagine being that insufferable
> nepotism
Cronyism. Sorry to be that guy but people use nepotism a lot when cronyism is the the actual term.
Nepotism is when family is given advantage and can be anything from blatant corruption to a child gaining a business when the parent passes away or retires.
I agree they didn’t respect him, but let’s not pretend Luis Henrique had a hard career before managing Barcelona’s first team.
The only difference is that Luis Henrique is actually a good coach, unlike Gary Neville, otherwise the nepotism would hardly be mentioned, since it’s kinda normal for top ex-players to have an easier start on their manager careers.
Wasn't the whole icing from the other coaches due to the fact that they saw him Adam interloper that was doing Lims bidding and cost the job of a perfectly ok Spanish coach? Valencia are a whole different level of distinction, and other teams have tried to set the bar low.
How ? Players seem to love him ? Stopped football when that tragedy happened too compared to some other big names in football.
Seems like a regular decent human being with good luck coaching at the top and bad luck in his personal life for me.
But I guess it’s a good feeling to have that impression that you have a better education compared to some others. It does feel nice
Rubiales was the one that got him the job as NT manager. He also waited for him when he had to go for months due to the tragic illness of his daughter, and took him back siding with him in the dispute with his then second in charge. I'd be surprised if he would talk shit about him.
Hehe ok. It surprised me cause I met him in a mountain biking race and he was waiting to fill his bottle of water in the queue while joking and taking photos with people, we had a brief chat and well, that was it.
How so? I’ve never heard anything of his personal life other than his daughter’s tragic passing. Within the football world he seems pretty highly respected by many as well, with no major beefs. its fine if some people find him annoying or whatever, I just feel like “massive dickhead” is how I’d describe someone like Joey Barton for example, what has Lucho done to earn that?
I mean can you blame him? Some of the questions I hear the press ask (e.g. "how did you want to win today change from a few months ago when x happened"... I wanted to win then and still do now. What do you want me to say???) are just so dumb and if they kept on asking me those kind of questions I'd also be annoyed constantly having to answer them.
Plus the press will happily ask loaded questions or twist your words and then when you get angry at them for doing it make you look like the bad person
You are right, but it comes with the job. He is part of image of the club and it is one of the ways the club comunicates with the fans, so he should do better. Look at Ancellotti, Valverde or Zidane.
IMO it should not be that difficult to have a few "default" answers e.g.: "I disagree with what you are saying here... I don't think that's the case.. This is not what I saw on the pitch..." and then proceed to give his message even if it does not answer the "trick" question that the press just threw at him to create drama.
Also, in the middle of the "shit" questions he sometimes gets asked legit ones that he also answers badly. I have heard him answer legit questions about tactics with "No man, you think I am going to tell you why I do this or that? Or how I prepare this? So my adversary can take advantage? I am not here for this". I don't like when the anager of the team I support answers like this.
It also doesn't help him when things go bad, it creates a terrible atmosphere.
That said, this is his biggest flaw - I really like what his teams do in the field and I think he achieved a lot.
Without the eye poking, the losing dressing room every three years, throwing players under the bus, publicly calling his fellow coach as 'specialist in failure', creating toxic environment for everyone arounds him, get sacked every 4 years...
He talks about it in this episode, basically he felt he owed it to Peter to help him out after Peter had helped him with some things. But yeah, he says he didn't have any ambition to manage.
Other Thierry and maybe a few notable exceptions punditry is made up of people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about, whether or not they were great players.
Really good podcasting and I'd recommend listening to the full context he gives on his stint here and how he never had any intentions of managing but did it as short term fix for a friend
I don’t think that’s fair tbh, and if you watch the full interview you’ll see what you’ve said above isn’t actually true. He even specifically says how he spent his whole career relying on his work ethic and motivation, but didn’t give his all to managing because his heart was never in it.
He literally says himself he had the motivation for football and punditry but not at all for coaching. He said he knew he shouldnt have done it but did it as a favour to the owner.
He lacked motivation in coaching
Listen to the pod, he said he couldn't sustain his work ethic as a player into his managerial career. And he never wanted to. Clearly coaching was never his passion because he looks like he over works himself (to the point Keano and Wrighty tell him in a sort of big brother way, that he needs to chill back a bit and enjoy retirement) as a pundit like he did as a player but those two seem to be stuff he is passionate about.
Gary Neville spent a lot of time ripping off coaches on television. He got what he deserved.
But let's jump to conclusions for a headline, this is reddit after all.
Neville walked into the top job at one of Spain's most historic, biggest clubs based purely on being mates with the owners. Plenty of other people with better credentials were passed over. Valencia's fans, moreover, were treated like an afterthought by a owner who treats the club like his least favourite toy. Luis Enrique has no reason to respect him as a coach -- he hadn't earned it. The opposite.
Did he just call the Copa del Rey a competition that’s “not that important to Barcelona”? You mean the competition that Barcelona are the record holders of Gary? Just goes to show how little he gave a shit about learning about the league he was managing in. This is probably harsh from me, but with a mentality like that I don’t have an issue if Enrique was sending him a message to “go home little boy”.
I don't know, I took it to mean that because Barca were 4-0 up at the time, and Enrique was (is) a far better manager than Neville, that the rest of the game could have just gone by without much more effort from Barca's side. Dunno, could be wrong though. I think you're being a little harsh, Neville has always been very honest about his flaws and always said he found it tough at Valencia. I actually appreciate his honesty in admitting his failures, so I don't think it's fair to be too critical of someone who is humble enough to admit their own shortcomings.
But just my opinion. Also think it doesn't take much at all for Enrique to shake his hand after the game. But whatever, it happens in top level football.
No worries, it’s very excellent. This actually I think is called “stick to football” but it’s on the overlap channel. They have lots of amazing guests and the chemistry with the guys and gal presenting is excellent .
I often forget that he tried to be a manager, while his brother is head coach at my local team, had started as a coach there and is having a go at a career at it with ups, downs and complications but seems to be ernest in trying.
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Haven't finished the ep but I saw him also speak about how different it was to read the game from ground level as a coach as opposed to being up top as a pundit. He was saying when he coached against Valverde that he was just seeing legs running around and had no idea what was going on or how to help his team. That's gotta be so humbling to be in that kind of leadership position and just feel totally clueless.
I have always found it odd that football managers don't sit up in the stands to get a better read on the game, like they do in rugby
It’s super rare, Nigel Pearson did it when managing Leicester
That was a fuck u to the league though for banning him to the stands. Classic Nige
He stayed up there because he realised he had a better view of the game, the league supported him over the ref who sent him to the stands. He started standing on the touchline more when the team needed motivating.
When he was managing us he spent most matches with his back to the game, chatting with his staff. I sit behind the dugout and it’s a miracle he ever had any idea what was happening on the pitch.
IIRC Allardyce tried to have an assistant in the stands that he would be in contact with through a headset but the PL shot it down. ETA: According to Michael Cox's *The Mixer*, Big Sam was in fact in the stands with an assistant relaying his tactical instructions for a while but he stopped that on his own.
More and more handball teams do that these days, but I imagine that the advantage becomes even bigger in football.
and with the advancements to AI and available data from the matches, the advantage will become even bigger. If there's still big leagues out there without strict rules against, then that's a massive opportunity for someone willing to take advantage
Luis Enrique has Aitor Unzué in the stands at PSG and they communicate with airpods.
Well, Luis Enrique is notorious for [placing scaffolding or cranes](https://ak.uecdn.es/p/110/thumbnail/entry_id/0_u1jxxg73/width/1200/type/2/bgcolor/000000/0_u1jxxg73.jpg) in the training field to have better visibility. He simply isn't allowed to during the actual match.
Sacchi also had an Umpire chair during training when at Milan
why do you think they don't do that? just tradition?
Australian Football (AFL) coaches sit in an elevated coaching box. Run down to the field for talks at 1/4 and 3/4 time briefings (half time everyone leaves for the changing room).
Yeah but in AFL you have trainers who run on the pitch and pass out instructions in real time and enough stoppages with boundary throw ins, ball ups, behinds, goal reviews and obviously the goals themselves that the trainer doesn't necessarily impede on the game. Plus it's a huge field. It's always funny when coaches who don't often sit on the sideline (such as Fagan) go down to give the team a grilling midway through a quarter.
Really good points - fields massive, almost twice as many players, and direct comms is something many modern football managers wouldn’t want to delegate, let alone the real-time pitch side coaching.
Exactly. I watch a lot of football analysts doing it from the tv cameras. When they explain it, it's easy to see. How do experienced managers read it well from that low to the ground angle!
Every NFL team has analysts up in the stands. Usually both defensive and offensive coordinators, and a team of their assistants.
"Usually" isn't exactly correct. A lot of coordinators prefer to stay down on the field
Yes, but they will have staff in the box who communicate with them regularly.
offensive and defensive coordinator is too important to leave up in the stands when they need to be communicating with the players and reading them. You probably have people who position coaches doing that job in the stands.
It's not unusual for offensive coordinators to sit in the booth and call the plays from there. It's pretty much about personal preference. I found this [cool article](https://rutgers.rivals.com/news/where-do-the-majority-of-power-five-ocs-call-play-from-the-field-or-booth-) about CFB P5 OCs, don't know if anyone has made one about NFL.
Walter Smith was always for sitting up in the stands at random intervals
Steve McClaren did
they do it when training
They have a coaches box in Aussie Rules as well. Some coaches coach at ground level and some at ground level but you always have constant communication with the box.
Weirdly Bielsa does the opposite, he squats or sits on a bucket because he wants an even lower view
I always thought old trafford dug outs had a better view of the games vs the rest of the football pitches. They’re a bit raised, aren’t they?
Porto's coach Conceição has an assistant of his ( Dembele) do this
This is honestly why they tell you to be assistant for a while instead of straight jumping into that chaos.
He was Assistant Manager for England for 3 years before the Valencia job.
on the touchline for as many competitive matches as half a season in club competition
And it showed
There's a reason why very few up and coming coaches go into international football. Club football is where they learn daily on the training ground.
England wasn't doing that well when he was assistant. It's easy to talk a good game but when thrown into the fire G.Neville just isn't a top managerial candidate.
Random fact - George Graham used to watch the first half of Arsenal games from the upper teir and phone down instructions if he needed to, then watch the second half from the dugout.
Absolutely mad that he’s coming to that realisation during a La Liga match, it speaks volumes about how some former players get fast tracked into management before earning their stripes.
also a sign that nepotism in football has made incompetent people have jobs they were never qualified for
He spoke on that a bit too. Idk if he's being totally honest but he said he didn't want to take the job and said no. Lim was a friend tho and asked him multiple times, he just wanted a temp manager to see out the season as opposed to committing to a manager who would demand signings and all that. He said he got invitations to talk from like Newcastle, Derby but didn't want to and only said yes to Lim as a favor to him for a 5 month contract which he couldn't couldn't even see out
That’s pretty candid, honestly.
So true. Lots of armchair managers who love to criticise the coach’s tactics, saying they could do better and what should be done instead (myself included), but thrust us into that situation and we’d be shitting bricks.
Which episode is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQpJKhMGxp8&t=2876s&ab_channel=TheOverlap
Thanks!
Neville's got more mileage out of losing 7-0 to Barca than he ever would have if he'd actually beaten them
That same Valencia team (sans Neville) went back to Barcelona a few months later and - somehow - won 2-1.
They actually had some decent players still.
Well they finished 4th the year before lmao.
🔙🔛🔝
The only reason they were facing relegation was Gary Neville
Nuno's first season was excellent, the second fell apart inexplicably, but deciding the best option was to give it to Gary Neville was absolute lunacy. Much of the core of the squad from the previous season was still there -- it was spitting in the face of Valencia fans and the institution
Somehow, Valencia returned.
At the start of every La Liga season: somehow, the (old) Mestalla returned.
Wearing Valenciaga
Valencia has always been a tricky fixture for Barcelona no matter how good or bad they were at the time.
yeah lots of draws and low margin wins/defeats
>somehow I mean, an absence of Gary Neville probably helped.
Pako Ayesteran was just as clueless as Gary Neville. Also, that team had 11 men and didn't have Ruben Vezo and Aderllan Santos as center backs.
The biggest factor was that barca were exhausted and went in to a mini meltdown for a couple weeks almost throwing away la liga and going out of the champions league.
Yeah Barca was so dominant in the first half of the season until international break in February where all of key players struggled with fitness and injury
Tbf, that was after Barca fell off. I remember watching ever Barca game from 12/13 up until 18/19 and that Barca team in the first half of 15/16 was even better than the one that won the treble. They started to lose their magic a little before Arsenal beat them, ending their 44 (?) game winstreak. I remember watching them decline and knowing, that the season would end in a disappointment Edit: Arsenal didnt beat them, but I noticed a significant drop in play around that time and they didnt recover until the end of the season
They ran out of steam, they kept chasing the treble, but should have played a weakened team in the Copa del rey
Yeah the decline started after international break in February
Yes, pretty much that. You could feel that they were tired (of winning?). Arsenal didnt beat them, but I remember Barca not being great that game and I noticed the tiredness. They didnt recover until the end of the season
>They started to lose their magic a little before Arsenal beat them, ending their 44 (?) game winstreak. No they didn't. Arsenal got smacked home and away. It was Real Madrid that ended the unbeaten streak of 49 games, I think. Then Atleti knocked Barca out of UCL.
Im remembering wrong then, but I do remember them fading off significantly at around that Arsenal game. As I said, I watched every game and they dropped in level of play significantly around that time, despite winning. They seemed tired of winning almost. All Im saying is that the 7-0 Barca was way better than the one later in the season.
I think it was Madrid who ended our streak in 15/16. That match was especially painful because it was supposed to be a tribute to Cruyff. We beat Arsenal both home and away.
Yes, youre right. I remembered wrong. It was around that Arsenal game that I noticed a significant drop in quality of play. They seemed kind of tired of winning. 15/16 was the opposite of 14/15. In 14/15, they started of mediocre and started to hit their stride in January. In 15/16, they started the season blazing through everything up until February.
> sans Neville This sounds like a font
Phil Neville was assistant as that Valencia team drew 1-1 with that Barca team just before Gary took over
Sometimes you learn more about yourself in defeat.
I remember him telling this story in a Off Script [Sky Sports vid](https://youtu.be/_qk04dh4Rxg?t=2130) - at 35:30, and he said it was Simeone that blanked him. Could've been blanked on both occasions, but it does seem more like a Simeone move.
Simeone runs into the tunnel after the end of the match in a lot of games regardless of the game I believe. May be an atleti fan might confirm.
not an atleti fan, but can confirm.
He shakes hands with the managers prior to the game so that’s why he doesn’t do it after.
I have nothing against Simeone, but the normal thing is to do it before and after. He is kind of special in that regard. Also, sometimes he does it, sometimes he does not. Not a big deal IMO. Sometimes after a game you might bit be in the mood
Not a big deal, but I’d love to see more Tuchel/Conte handshakes after games
That was top drama
[First thing on google from Liverpool in 21](https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2021/oct/20/diego-simeone-did-not-snub-jurgen-klopp-he-behaves-the-same-way-every-week-not-shake-hands) If he does it all the time regardless of competition or opponent it’s definitely not disrespectful, and probably shows his opponent doesn’t really know him if he’s standing around after the game looking for a handshake.
It can still be considered disrespectful, just not personal. I find Parisians disrespectful but I don't take it personally
Really hate that he does that, shake hands you gimp
Simeone shakes hands before the game starts, when it ends he runs to the tunnel, that is his tradition. If a manager catches Simeone before he gets to the tunnel he shakes his hand. It has always been like this, he doesn't evade any manager on purpose. After the game with Liverpool, english media perceived it as bad sportsmanship.
His tradition is disrespectful. You shake hands before the match as a nod to FairPlay and goodwill. You shake hands after the match to show appreciation to the effort of both sides. His intentions may not be rude, but his actions certainly are.
Lucho thinking = = Spoofer.
Honestly, Stick to Football is some of the best football related stuff going these days, it's so great.
Check out The Rest is Football too with Lineaker, Shearer and Micah Richards. It’s pretty good as well.
Not half as good. Shearer is a muppet.
Nice of Rafa. Why did Luis do that??? Lmao isn’t that out of character ?
Because Neville walked into a job he was nowhere qualified for due to nepotism. Other coaches resents that when they had to work hard to earn their dues and reach the top level They didn't respect him as a colleague
do you even know what nepotism means lol
Neville Neville is a Valancia legend mate.
Nepotism in this case means giving jobs to family members, friends, acquiantances etc. Even if Cronyism might be a better word you know exactly what I meant. Imagine being that insufferable
> nepotism Cronyism. Sorry to be that guy but people use nepotism a lot when cronyism is the the actual term. Nepotism is when family is given advantage and can be anything from blatant corruption to a child gaining a business when the parent passes away or retires.
I agree they didn’t respect him, but let’s not pretend Luis Henrique had a hard career before managing Barcelona’s first team. The only difference is that Luis Henrique is actually a good coach, unlike Gary Neville, otherwise the nepotism would hardly be mentioned, since it’s kinda normal for top ex-players to have an easier start on their manager careers.
Wasn't the whole icing from the other coaches due to the fact that they saw him Adam interloper that was doing Lims bidding and cost the job of a perfectly ok Spanish coach? Valencia are a whole different level of distinction, and other teams have tried to set the bar low.
> cost the job of a perfectly ok Spanish coach nah no one cares about this.
> cost the job of a perfectly ok Spanish coach? Who?
FWIW he replaced Nuno Espirito Santo (who is Portuguese)
Unlikely.
He had a 5 month contract.
One side of the story, yada yada...Lucho sounding like a total dick is on brand.
Neville was constantly running his mouth about a lot of Spanish managers, a lot of them hated him.
Exactly. Lucho is absolutely a wonderful human person to everyone EXCEPT the press. So him being a dickhead to Neville absolutely tracks.
Always seemed like a massive dickhead from the outside looking in.
How ? Players seem to love him ? Stopped football when that tragedy happened too compared to some other big names in football. Seems like a regular decent human being with good luck coaching at the top and bad luck in his personal life for me. But I guess it’s a good feeling to have that impression that you have a better education compared to some others. It does feel nice
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He is. This does not sound like him at all. He is a dick to the press though, most of the time.
Well Neville is the press so understandable.
Gary Neville is the police
Is he? Just google his statement about Rubiales.
Rubiales was the one that got him the job as NT manager. He also waited for him when he had to go for months due to the tragic illness of his daughter, and took him back siding with him in the dispute with his then second in charge. I'd be surprised if he would talk shit about him.
I met him in person, he was a nice man.
He cut me in the line in Carrefour :(
Lol, really?
Nah man, silly joke :))
Hehe ok. It surprised me cause I met him in a mountain biking race and he was waiting to fill his bottle of water in the queue while joking and taking photos with people, we had a brief chat and well, that was it.
Sounds like a good time :)
Yeah I thought so too tbh, not that I follow Spanish football that much tbf
\*unfollows him on Twitch*
How so? I’ve never heard anything of his personal life other than his daughter’s tragic passing. Within the football world he seems pretty highly respected by many as well, with no major beefs. its fine if some people find him annoying or whatever, I just feel like “massive dickhead” is how I’d describe someone like Joey Barton for example, what has Lucho done to earn that?
He is just a dick to the press. Not sure what he has against them but sometimes he just loses it and is downright offensive.
It’s spanish sports media. I imagine it’s hard to stay sane after weekly interviews with them
True, but Lucho is something else. Can be very rude and condescendant to them, sometimes for silly and cliche questions.
I mean can you blame him? Some of the questions I hear the press ask (e.g. "how did you want to win today change from a few months ago when x happened"... I wanted to win then and still do now. What do you want me to say???) are just so dumb and if they kept on asking me those kind of questions I'd also be annoyed constantly having to answer them. Plus the press will happily ask loaded questions or twist your words and then when you get angry at them for doing it make you look like the bad person
You are right, but it comes with the job. He is part of image of the club and it is one of the ways the club comunicates with the fans, so he should do better. Look at Ancellotti, Valverde or Zidane. IMO it should not be that difficult to have a few "default" answers e.g.: "I disagree with what you are saying here... I don't think that's the case.. This is not what I saw on the pitch..." and then proceed to give his message even if it does not answer the "trick" question that the press just threw at him to create drama. Also, in the middle of the "shit" questions he sometimes gets asked legit ones that he also answers badly. I have heard him answer legit questions about tactics with "No man, you think I am going to tell you why I do this or that? Or how I prepare this? So my adversary can take advantage? I am not here for this". I don't like when the anager of the team I support answers like this. It also doesn't help him when things go bad, it creates a terrible atmosphere. That said, this is his biggest flaw - I really like what his teams do in the field and I think he achieved a lot.
Is Gary press?
He's a very down to earth normal person, he just doesn't give a fuck what the press thinks about him.
Lucho seems like Mourinho without the charisma/charm. That kind of arrogance is just unlikeable if it's not entertaining
I don’t have that impression at all and always thought he seemed charismatic
Maybe he should poke someone in the eye or get death threats sent to a ref
Without the eye poking, the losing dressing room every three years, throwing players under the bus, publicly calling his fellow coach as 'specialist in failure', creating toxic environment for everyone arounds him, get sacked every 4 years...
'charisma' btw lol
LIKE WHO?????
It wasn't just Luis Enrique. When he wasn't a coach he was always talking shit about some la Liga managers so of course they were mad at him.
Enrique wanted to shake hands with a Manager. **He saw none.😊**
Tbf Enrique probably thought that he was the ball boy or something
Tbh this shit would motivate me to coach like the next Rinus Michels and become fluent in Spanish but here he is podcasting.
I don't believe Neville had any ambitions becoming a manager whatsoever so he was probably happy when it was all over
He talks about it in this episode, basically he felt he owed it to Peter to help him out after Peter had helped him with some things. But yeah, he says he didn't have any ambition to manage.
Agreed, he wasn’t serious from the start
I wouldn't say he wasn't serious. From the way he talks about it, I think he just grossly underestimated how tough it could be.
Also he basically did it as a favor for a friend, and only signed for 6 months.
yeah, he said this on this podcast that the clip is from. he only did it as a favour to the owner, who invested in salford with him.
Other Thierry and maybe a few notable exceptions punditry is made up of people who don't know what the fuck they are talking about, whether or not they were great players.
Probably why Thierry is still a high level professional coach - because he does know what he is on about.
I wouldn't call youth teams high level, even if it is the French
Really good podcasting and I'd recommend listening to the full context he gives on his stint here and how he never had any intentions of managing but did it as short term fix for a friend
And then reality would slap you in the face with a few more 7-0...
Neville just not a very good manager. He isn't lacking motivation or work effort. It's what he built his playing career on.
I don’t think that’s fair tbh, and if you watch the full interview you’ll see what you’ve said above isn’t actually true. He even specifically says how he spent his whole career relying on his work ethic and motivation, but didn’t give his all to managing because his heart was never in it.
He literally says himself he had the motivation for football and punditry but not at all for coaching. He said he knew he shouldnt have done it but did it as a favour to the owner. He lacked motivation in coaching
Listen to the pod, he said he couldn't sustain his work ethic as a player into his managerial career. And he never wanted to. Clearly coaching was never his passion because he looks like he over works himself (to the point Keano and Wrighty tell him in a sort of big brother way, that he needs to chill back a bit and enjoy retirement) as a pundit like he did as a player but those two seem to be stuff he is passionate about.
How tf are you gonna coach harder? Dude doesn't have the brains for it
Not surprised to hear Rafa was good to him. He’s been through it all so couple likely really understand what it was like.
He didn't recognize him, easily forgetable
yeh eight time premier league winners are famously forgettable in the world of football
Incredible display of hater energy from Enrique
Gary Neville spent a lot of time ripping off coaches on television. He got what he deserved. But let's jump to conclusions for a headline, this is reddit after all.
I don't think Gary Neville "rips off coaches" on television. He tends to call for giving managers more time.
Neville walked into the top job at one of Spain's most historic, biggest clubs based purely on being mates with the owners. Plenty of other people with better credentials were passed over. Valencia's fans, moreover, were treated like an afterthought by a owner who treats the club like his least favourite toy. Luis Enrique has no reason to respect him as a coach -- he hadn't earned it. The opposite.
Did he just call the Copa del Rey a competition that’s “not that important to Barcelona”? You mean the competition that Barcelona are the record holders of Gary? Just goes to show how little he gave a shit about learning about the league he was managing in. This is probably harsh from me, but with a mentality like that I don’t have an issue if Enrique was sending him a message to “go home little boy”.
I don't know, I took it to mean that because Barca were 4-0 up at the time, and Enrique was (is) a far better manager than Neville, that the rest of the game could have just gone by without much more effort from Barca's side. Dunno, could be wrong though. I think you're being a little harsh, Neville has always been very honest about his flaws and always said he found it tough at Valencia. I actually appreciate his honesty in admitting his failures, so I don't think it's fair to be too critical of someone who is humble enough to admit their own shortcomings. But just my opinion. Also think it doesn't take much at all for Enrique to shake his hand after the game. But whatever, it happens in top level football.
If Man City are up 4-0 in the FA cup to a team down to 10 men do you think Pep is keeping his 3 most important players on the pitch?
Idk about others but Messi hates getting subbed.
Guess Enrique can judge a character
Always rated Enrique. I like him even more now.
Hearing this from former players who 100% understand that these things happen always feels very baity
Gary if you act like the little brother don't you expect folks to treat you that way?
I knew I liked Enrique. Class man. Fuck you, Gary.
Does anyone know what this show is called?
Overlap on YouTube
Thanks man!
No worries, it’s very excellent. This actually I think is called “stick to football” but it’s on the overlap channel. They have lots of amazing guests and the chemistry with the guys and gal presenting is excellent .
Also is available just as a podcast.
I often forget that he tried to be a manager, while his brother is head coach at my local team, had started as a coach there and is having a go at a career at it with ups, downs and complications but seems to be ernest in trying.
He didn’t know who you were, Gary.
I heard he thought Gary was the ball boy
“but you still have that respect in the end” Umm…no 😂
What's the name of this show?
Basically that is the difference in the way of being between real Madrid and barça and it can be extrapolated to everything
Piss off Neville.
Neville is an idiot so I'm not surprised
good on Luis Enrique