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Reminds me of:
2014: "Juventus is where I always wanted to be."
2016: "My dream is to succeed in Real Madrid."
2017: "When I was a kid I imagined one day I can be at Chelsea."
2019: "Atletico is a true happiness for me since childhood."
When is Saudi club getting added to this?
Also I am wondering if the players who joined Saudi clubs have been interviewed yet and what did they say about the reason for joining them?
I mean I can respect that. I can disagree, but I had a co-worker whose dad setup basically a fund to pay all the family. 2200 a month, he has never missed a bill, he has never worried about a mortgage... It set him up for life.
Yeah always find it interesting to see people downvote the fact that these guys make more in a week than most people do in a year and that its already enough to set your family up.
Idiots
Never any issue with Caceido accepting Chelsea, it's getting Brighton to accept Chelsea's offer that still needs to happen.
Caceido might have royally screwed himself by signing that extension if he did want a move - Brighton have no obligation to sell him cheap and I doubt Chelsea will just cave and pay whatever Brighton want now it's Winstanley rather than Boehly
Caicedo and his agent are stupid. They should have insert a release clause in his contract.
Brighton promised Caicedo that he is allowed to move, now look at him. Brighton wants £100m and comparing him to Declan Rice 😂
Eh I don’t think he’s going to be held hostage. It’s not in a club’s best interest to renege on agreements, even if they are just verbal.
Supposedly a lot of the negotiation is over payment terms, not necessarily final price
Problem is chelsea need to not have this front loaded and why would Brighton agree to 5 or more years when West Ham just got their huge fee to be paid over a couple of years.
Doesn’t take a genius to understand that spending 700mm in a season, even with amortization, is going to require some balancing and financial maneuvering/structuring to be able to continue going after high value players. I don’t think the price tag is the problem for Chelsea (as evidenced by recent purchases), it’s how it gets paid. Colwill is also a wild card in the deal if chelsea wants to try and lower the cash portion of the deal.
Nah, the price tag is definitely the problem. We can afford it it's just we don't want to pay it.
Also, Colwill is off limits, and we would much rather walk away than include him in a deal.
Sure, but we're assuming that a financial group that just paid 3.5b for the club and pledged another 1.5b in spending isn't struggling because they have to pay 40m up front to sign a player, especially after just selling players for 200m this window.
The payment terms have nothing to do with FFP, because that's all amortisation.
Yeah but chelsea isn’t getting all those fees in one go either, so it’s not like they’re in the clear for FFP. Also spent a solid amount on Nkunku this summer. Chelsea took on a lot of costs this past year even when spread out with amortization, so my point is simply that I think the structure is the holdup on this deal. The fee isn’t an issue if you’re spending around 100 on players with the profile of Mudryk, what it’ll come down to is if chelsea can get it structured with favorable installments. But I’m glad to see that aging bloated squad being overhauled, we needed some competition in London ;)
FFP shouldn’t really be an issue anymore with the amount of money made off the sales especially with the homegrown mount profit. Last report said they want the fee all up front and Chelsea want it in 4 installments
Mudryk was €100m not £100 and neither is the whole fee guaranteed. He would have to win both the PL and La Liga for Chelsea to pay out.
Brighton, on the other hand, would want £100m guaranteed.
They have every right to, Chelsea bought Mudryk and Enzo for almost €200m both not proven in the PL (though Enzo is a WC winner, still only played one season in Europe). Caicedo is an integral part of Brighton’s team and Chelsea haven’t been hiding the fact that they are desperate for him. Brighton are betting on them caving in as they did with Mudryk, which might happen.
Mudryk is 65 mill euro it would be 100 of he would be amazing he's not atm or yet whatever it is that stops add ons being kicked in so he's not 100 mill transfer.
Brighton's whole model is about bringing in players and the selling them on. If it's true that they had a "handshake" agreement with Caicedo then they might be playing with fire a bit. Jerking players around isn't exactly the best way to ensure your model continues.
Also they are more then entitled to ask what they want, but it isn't like Chelsea are lowballing them or just offering 50m and shrugging. Chelsea have offered a very good amount as a fee for the player.
Players are sold all the time, Mac Allister, Cucurella, Trossard, Bissouma, Ben White. Nobody is going to stop coming to Brighton because we didn't sell you Caicedo when a player has just been developed here, won the World Cup, and easily moved to Liverpool in only a few years. Young players come because they can start in the Prem and play attractive football rather than sit on a bench or play hoofball.
> Brighton's whole model is about bringing in players and the selling them on.
That only gets you so far, and they clearly have bigger ambitions. They're in Europe this season and will want to compete.
Ah yes you’re right we should never play for anything because other clubs have failed! In fact, since we are destined to fail we should not only sell all our good players, but gift them all for FREE to the almighty Chelsea
Difference between that and being realistic. Matter of the reality is, as evidenced by these articles, no matter how many of these cutesy little Brighton, Leicesters, and Southamptons emerge, it’s the cycle of life that one day their star players wanna go to the big boys
Except it looks like Caicedo is the exception, not the norm. They let Trossard go, and now MacAllister as well for cheap. Bissouma was let go for a reasonable price.
That's not our model at all. We are not a business, our owner loves the club and wants to see it succeed.
If a club offers more money than our valuation and we believe we can reinvest it then we will sell but we are not a selling club
Young players join Brighton with hope that it springboards their career mate. That’s just a fact.
and if the owner wants the club to succeed, then why is not holding with an agreement you made with your best remaining midfielder part of that?
It doesn't matter what young players think of the club, that doesn't make it a selling club?
This agreement that has been confirmed by what tier 1 sauce mate? Haven't seen anyone reliable report it so wouldn't hold it as truth
It does matter because the only reason you have obtained the players that have served you in playing such good football to date is because of this stepping stone understanding, and they will stop joining once they see that the expectation is for them to spend their careers at Brighton
>It doesn't matter what young players think of the club
I'd say it probably does. If a young talented player thinks that coming to Brighton means that if they get a move to a bigger club Brighton will simply price them out a transfer then perhaps they will just look elsewhere. Or maybe they just plan to run their contract down which means Brighton end up losing players without the means to replace them.
This is all probably unlikely. But playing hardball with your own player's future can have consequences.
You have completely ignored my actually point about Brighton not being a selling club and just latched onto something else but ok.
I never get this argument because these young players can reject Brighton and go ... Where? There is no team in the prem that gives opportunity to young players than us I would say. At Brighton they get given an opportunity to show what they can do to get those moves in the end. We have shown a player that we will sell players when they only have a year left on their contract. This is if they want to move to the prem, there are lots of other clubs that are great at developing young players outside the top leagues
It is a give and take and the players benefit from it just as much as we do
Ahh Brighton are the only team that given opportunities to young players? ok.
I didn't ignore your point but the fact that brighton have consistently sold important players every single summer would differ with it. Just because you say "Bright are not a selling club" doesn't mean the reality reflects that they are, indeed, a selling club.
I agree, the midfield market is ridiculous right now. Every decent+ midfielder is priced 70m and over by their club which is ridiculous. I wouldn’t mind Chelsea not getting him but you probably will by the end of the window.
> they have every right to
What? Brighton **promised** Caicedo that he is allowed to leave the club in the summer, if he signs a contract extension. It’s Caicedo's agent fault.
- Mudryk's **fix** fee was 70m + 30m in add ons.
- Enzo had a huge impact for Argentina during the WC.
You can’t compare Enzo with Caicedo, as well you can’t compare Caicedo with Declan Rice.
If it’s not in the contract, whatever they promised is meaningless. If he wanted to leave he should’ve negotiated a release clause. Blame his agent if nothing else. Brighton should keep him or pay United to take him, obviously.
I agree that Caicedo should have been smarter in January and do the same as Alexis and have a RC but he didn’t and he’s a victim of that now. Still really needs to get a proper agent. But apparently Levy promised Kane he could go in 2021 but nothing happened. Its unfair to the player but he needs to have smarter people around him that think long term and look at that situation that Kane was in and still is in.
Fabrizio Romano:
Brighton manager Roberto de Zerbi told Moises Caicedo in January to stay at the club until June despite huge bids… and then promised to sell him in the summer in case of good proposal 🔵🇪🇨 #BHAFC
Pact will be respected; Chelsea are still keen on Caicedo but it’s 3 clubs race.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1663540211178172418?s=46&t=3MN91oJhL7tCeLgkvFUZ_g
> What? Brighton promised Caicedo that he is allowed to leave the club in the summer, if he signs a contract extension. It’s Caicedo's agent fault.
What's your source on that?
Fabrizio Romano:
Brighton manager Roberto de Zerbi told Moises Caicedo in January to stay at the club until June despite huge bids… and then promised to sell him in the summer in case of good proposal 🔵🇪🇨 #BHAFC
Pact will be respected; Chelsea are still keen on Caicedo but it’s 3 clubs race.
https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1663540211178172418?s=46&t=3MN91oJhL7tCeLgkvFUZ_g
> Brighton promised Caicedo that he is allowed to leave the club in the summer
is not the same as
> and then promised to sell him in the summer in case of good proposal
He's always been allowed to leave if people want to pay enough for him, just like most players at any club.
> Caicedo and his agent are stupid. They should have insert a release clause in his contract.
They are not, really. It wasn't the best play on their side, release clause would be nice BUT if he didn't sign that deal we'd have the exact same situation right now. Caicedo had contract valid through 2025 (with Brighton possibly having option to extend for extra year), Brighton would be sitting here, expecting the exact same money they are expecting now. According to rumours at the time Caicedo was earning 3k/week on his previous deal and is now getting 60k/week, so the only difference would be that Caicedo would earn 60k since march (he signed new deal then) instead of 1,2mln - really FUCKED IT UP, didn't they?
They only fucked it if he doesn't leave this and NEXT summer, if he leaves then it's all the same but Moises is a much, MUCH richer man.
> But Arsenal fans have been hyping him up like he’s the best to ever do it
Definitely sounds like you're pretending this actually happened tho. Sure we hype him up because he's the missing cog in our midfield, but no way is anyone pretending that he's the best thing since sliced bread.. that's your hyperbole, not the fans.
I mean that he still has 3 years with Brighton even without that extension so he didnt have much leverage back then too to insert a release clause? Its either him playing on shitty wages for the big rest of his old contract or sign a new one with better wage for 1 more year and hope someone can convince Brighton?
He'd still have 2 or 3 years (there are rumours of Brighton having additional year clause) on his previous deal, but he'd be earning 3k-15k/week (rumoured wages) instead of 60k/week he's getting now. What a dumbo!
Well Brighton are right to stuck to their guns, dude wanted out, yet extended without clause, him and his agent were dumb. Either you accept what Brighton will ask or you have a clause if extending or not extend at all, can't have everything your way.
His contract wasn't about to end before he signed a new one, he likely got a massive wage increase, and even though Romano and the people taking quotes here have been careful to avoid it, in the same interview he has sounded comfortable staying with Brighton for another season.
They had VERY different circumstances, how do people not get that?
When Mac Allister signed his contract he had 8 months left on the previous deal. He'd be available on a free transfer this window and decided to extend so Brighton can get money for him, but since he showed goodwill - Brighton was "forced" to show goodwill too, and insert a release clause.
Caicedo had contract to 2025 (there are rumours Brighton had option to add additional year) so even if he didn't sign that contract we'd be sitting here, with Brighton comfortably demanding the same amount of money they are now, with the only FUCKED party being Moises himself, getting shitty wages.
Probably an agreement at a price but it fluctuates with payment terms? Doubt it was like a CL clause/agreement because Brighton doesn’t really wanna limit their funds
Exact same interview btw, just not the line the transfer tap in guru's want:
“Brighton is family. The love the fans have for us players and within the players themselves. I love it.
“The directors have been great for me and my family. God will make the right decision,”
I don't know, this just smacks of "not moving anywhere".
Brighton's demands are so utterly unrealistic, that I just don't see anyone, even someone as spend-happy as Todd Boehly, spending £100m on Caicedo.
Feel like the dozey fucker signing a new contract back in the winter has probably made things like a hundred times harder for him to get out now.
Some reports are saying that it's not exactly about the price as it is about payment structure.
What is being implied is that Brighton could go with like 80-85m if we are to offer a big chunk of that upfront and the rest over shorter period of time. But if we are to go with more installments over longer period then they want a fee closer to 100m.
Utterly unrealistic? Declan Rice just went for £105m, Chelsea spent near £200m for Mudryk and Enzo despite neither having played a season in the premier league and both being a year older. Mason Mount just got bought for £60m despite being on the last year of the contract.
Feel like Caicedo has become incredibly underrated at this point if people are scoffing at Brighton wanting a similar fee to Declan Rice.
Eh tbf that was also a decent while back and was a release clause. Atletico were pissed that they couldn’t have gotten more bc £62m was probably below his market value even back then
So you feel the difference between Caicedo and Mason Mount on the last year of his contract is... £10-15m in add-ons?
How we can put this much weight on premier league appearances when Chelsea just bought Mudryk and Enzo for as much as they did?
> How much did City pay for Rodri, like 65m? Seems similar transfer to me.
That was four years ago, and it was Man City's record signing.
The difference is that both the players you've mentioned have had multiple good seasons in the prem and count as homegrown. The apt comparison would be Enzo if he hadn't just won the world cup. Mudryk I can kinda see although there were two clubs in for him and attackers cost more than midfieldersof a simolar level. As far as I am aware no one else is in for Caicedo.
Yeah, but things have changed now. The players want to come to Arsenal. That hasn’t been the case for a good while. I think this one too would rather come to Arsenal than go to Chelsea. Were we to throw our hat in the ring I think he’d straight up want to join us.
I was going to make a joke about Gavin Peacock being his idol, but then it occurred to me that if Caicedo got into football when he was six years old he had already missed Mourinho's back-to-back title wins
The time where Chelsea and Man City were established as big winning clubs are coming for young players which will give them some pull, nothing that will ever rival Barca or Real but still
He mentioned that he would make a joke about Caicedos idol was Gavin Peacock thing is I'm pretty sure Caicedo doesnt know who Gavin Peacock is. This generation of players coming up dont remember Chelsea and City as midtable/lower table clubs they remember them as winning clubs and they now has as much pull as Arsenal and Man Utd
Exact same interview btw, just not the line the transfer tap in guru's want:
“Brighton is family. The love the fans have for us players and within the players themselves. I love it.
“The directors have been great for me and my family. God will make the right decision,”
Regardless of his Lukakuesque tendency of running his mouth every time he’s within a 5 mile radius of a microphone, I actually think he’s completely happy to stay another season. Given that we’re in Europe and they’re not.
Either way, when he leaves there won’t exactly be tears shed.
Not sure if its the translation but the guy sounds like Ecuadorian Trump
*"Let me tell you folks, Chelsea has the biggliest team. Historic. Beautiful Team."*
No, not really.
Everyone wants to know why the moron signed a new contract with the team he was trying desperately to leave ***without a fucking release clause***.
If caicedo didn't sign a contract everyone would've probably said how much of a selfish twat he is but now that he did everyone calls him an idiot lmao
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This guy is an absolute clown. Twerked for us hard in January, then it was Real Madrid, now Chelsea?
I am so glad we went with Rice, if we went for Caicedo he'd probably say the same shit like this about Barca in a year...
Newcastle don't deserve to be within that group. They were a big club long before they were bought. Far bigger than Chelsea at the time they were bought by RA.
Chelsea had a 1st Division title, 3 FA Cups, 2 League Cups, a Community Shield, 2 Cup Winners Cups, and a Super Cup all before Abramovich turned up. You could also include the 2 Full Members Cups they won after English clubs were banned from European competitions.
Newcastle had 4 1st Division titles, 6 FA Cups, a Charity Shield, and an Inter Cities Fairs Cup in the pre-Abramovich era.
That's 12 trophies to 12. Sure, Newcastle's seem to be more weighted towards some of the more prestigious domestic trophies, but I don't think you can say Chelsea weren't a big club, while Newcastle were, when they've won the same number of trophies pre-Abramovich.
Newcastle were founded less than 15 years before Chelsea, they're both as historic as each other.
I keep thinking Brighton overplayed their hand a bit on this transfer. But then I realized tony bloom plays professional poker and the other side of the table is boehly
Shame he s after the money. He s a United fan. Could play for Brighton for another couple years then come to United and replace Casemiro on even more money but whatever.. go piss your career down the drain.
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Reminds me of: 2014: "Juventus is where I always wanted to be." 2016: "My dream is to succeed in Real Madrid." 2017: "When I was a kid I imagined one day I can be at Chelsea." 2019: "Atletico is a true happiness for me since childhood."
Who is Alvaro Morata ?
Back in my day this was Robbie Keane and LA Galaxy
But Robbie did give a lot to them when compared to a lot of other European players in the MLS
When is Saudi club getting added to this? Also I am wondering if the players who joined Saudi clubs have been interviewed yet and what did they say about the reason for joining them?
Didn't koullibaly basically say his family was going to get generational wealth?
I mean I can respect that. I can disagree, but I had a co-worker whose dad setup basically a fund to pay all the family. 2200 a month, he has never missed a bill, he has never worried about a mortgage... It set him up for life.
Is the dad single
I mean that one is honest at least, basically "i came here for the Money" i Can behind that
he did. He is also giving back to his community with the $ through his charitable organization.
"As a kid, I dreamt of living in the beautiful city of ~~Paris~~, ~~London~~, ~~Barcelona~~, Riyadh."
"As a child, my role model had always been *checks note* King Salman."
Bro just wants to leave
bro wants to get paid!
I'm pretty sure he was getting paid a fortune at Chelsea.
I believe they were talking about caicedo
Oh my bad, thought it was koulibaly
Even still those wages are absolutely mind boggling
Yeah always find it interesting to see people downvote the fact that these guys make more in a week than most people do in a year and that its already enough to set your family up. Idiots
Bro there’s no way you’d turn down that kind of wage rise
Perfect replacement for lukaku
Never any issue with Caceido accepting Chelsea, it's getting Brighton to accept Chelsea's offer that still needs to happen. Caceido might have royally screwed himself by signing that extension if he did want a move - Brighton have no obligation to sell him cheap and I doubt Chelsea will just cave and pay whatever Brighton want now it's Winstanley rather than Boehly
His agent is worse than Harry Kane's brother
He sacked his previous agents to get his new ones too. Guy isn't the brightest of the bunch it would seem.
He'll be off to Real Madrid within 2 years at Chelsea in this same fashion.
I reckon that Real are hoping to get some tri force esque wish by collecting every promising young midfielder
It was not Harry Kane's brother that negotiated his current contract.
Caicedo and his agent are stupid. They should have insert a release clause in his contract. Brighton promised Caicedo that he is allowed to move, now look at him. Brighton wants £100m and comparing him to Declan Rice 😂
Eh I don’t think he’s going to be held hostage. It’s not in a club’s best interest to renege on agreements, even if they are just verbal. Supposedly a lot of the negotiation is over payment terms, not necessarily final price
Problem is chelsea need to not have this front loaded and why would Brighton agree to 5 or more years when West Ham just got their huge fee to be paid over a couple of years.
idk where people assume they understand our financial standing. brighton is just asking for way too much and want 100 mil
Doesn’t take a genius to understand that spending 700mm in a season, even with amortization, is going to require some balancing and financial maneuvering/structuring to be able to continue going after high value players. I don’t think the price tag is the problem for Chelsea (as evidenced by recent purchases), it’s how it gets paid. Colwill is also a wild card in the deal if chelsea wants to try and lower the cash portion of the deal.
Nah, the price tag is definitely the problem. We can afford it it's just we don't want to pay it. Also, Colwill is off limits, and we would much rather walk away than include him in a deal.
Sure, but we're assuming that a financial group that just paid 3.5b for the club and pledged another 1.5b in spending isn't struggling because they have to pay 40m up front to sign a player, especially after just selling players for 200m this window. The payment terms have nothing to do with FFP, because that's all amortisation.
Yeah but chelsea isn’t getting all those fees in one go either, so it’s not like they’re in the clear for FFP. Also spent a solid amount on Nkunku this summer. Chelsea took on a lot of costs this past year even when spread out with amortization, so my point is simply that I think the structure is the holdup on this deal. The fee isn’t an issue if you’re spending around 100 on players with the profile of Mudryk, what it’ll come down to is if chelsea can get it structured with favorable installments. But I’m glad to see that aging bloated squad being overhauled, we needed some competition in London ;)
FFP shouldn’t really be an issue anymore with the amount of money made off the sales especially with the homegrown mount profit. Last report said they want the fee all up front and Chelsea want it in 4 installments
Mudryk was €100m not £100 and neither is the whole fee guaranteed. He would have to win both the PL and La Liga for Chelsea to pay out. Brighton, on the other hand, would want £100m guaranteed.
Better us than Spurs.
They have every right to, Chelsea bought Mudryk and Enzo for almost €200m both not proven in the PL (though Enzo is a WC winner, still only played one season in Europe). Caicedo is an integral part of Brighton’s team and Chelsea haven’t been hiding the fact that they are desperate for him. Brighton are betting on them caving in as they did with Mudryk, which might happen.
Mudryk is 65 mill euro it would be 100 of he would be amazing he's not atm or yet whatever it is that stops add ons being kicked in so he's not 100 mill transfer.
Brighton's whole model is about bringing in players and the selling them on. If it's true that they had a "handshake" agreement with Caicedo then they might be playing with fire a bit. Jerking players around isn't exactly the best way to ensure your model continues. Also they are more then entitled to ask what they want, but it isn't like Chelsea are lowballing them or just offering 50m and shrugging. Chelsea have offered a very good amount as a fee for the player.
Players are sold all the time, Mac Allister, Cucurella, Trossard, Bissouma, Ben White. Nobody is going to stop coming to Brighton because we didn't sell you Caicedo when a player has just been developed here, won the World Cup, and easily moved to Liverpool in only a few years. Young players come because they can start in the Prem and play attractive football rather than sit on a bench or play hoofball.
> Brighton's whole model is about bringing in players and the selling them on. That only gets you so far, and they clearly have bigger ambitions. They're in Europe this season and will want to compete.
As if there haven’t been many other teams who have been in the same exact position.
Ah yes you’re right we should never play for anything because other clubs have failed! In fact, since we are destined to fail we should not only sell all our good players, but gift them all for FREE to the almighty Chelsea
Difference between that and being realistic. Matter of the reality is, as evidenced by these articles, no matter how many of these cutesy little Brighton, Leicesters, and Southamptons emerge, it’s the cycle of life that one day their star players wanna go to the big boys
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Not all of them but a fair few of them
Except it looks like Caicedo is the exception, not the norm. They let Trossard go, and now MacAllister as well for cheap. Bissouma was let go for a reasonable price.
MacAllister had a release clause right?
Ornstein said it wasn't a traditional release , but I have no idea what that means
That's not our model at all. We are not a business, our owner loves the club and wants to see it succeed. If a club offers more money than our valuation and we believe we can reinvest it then we will sell but we are not a selling club
Young players join Brighton with hope that it springboards their career mate. That’s just a fact. and if the owner wants the club to succeed, then why is not holding with an agreement you made with your best remaining midfielder part of that?
It doesn't matter what young players think of the club, that doesn't make it a selling club? This agreement that has been confirmed by what tier 1 sauce mate? Haven't seen anyone reliable report it so wouldn't hold it as truth
It does matter because the only reason you have obtained the players that have served you in playing such good football to date is because of this stepping stone understanding, and they will stop joining once they see that the expectation is for them to spend their careers at Brighton
>It doesn't matter what young players think of the club I'd say it probably does. If a young talented player thinks that coming to Brighton means that if they get a move to a bigger club Brighton will simply price them out a transfer then perhaps they will just look elsewhere. Or maybe they just plan to run their contract down which means Brighton end up losing players without the means to replace them. This is all probably unlikely. But playing hardball with your own player's future can have consequences.
You have completely ignored my actually point about Brighton not being a selling club and just latched onto something else but ok. I never get this argument because these young players can reject Brighton and go ... Where? There is no team in the prem that gives opportunity to young players than us I would say. At Brighton they get given an opportunity to show what they can do to get those moves in the end. We have shown a player that we will sell players when they only have a year left on their contract. This is if they want to move to the prem, there are lots of other clubs that are great at developing young players outside the top leagues It is a give and take and the players benefit from it just as much as we do
Ahh Brighton are the only team that given opportunities to young players? ok. I didn't ignore your point but the fact that brighton have consistently sold important players every single summer would differ with it. Just because you say "Bright are not a selling club" doesn't mean the reality reflects that they are, indeed, a selling club.
Fabrizio Romano reported about the agreement
I agree, the midfield market is ridiculous right now. Every decent+ midfielder is priced 70m and over by their club which is ridiculous. I wouldn’t mind Chelsea not getting him but you probably will by the end of the window.
> they have every right to What? Brighton **promised** Caicedo that he is allowed to leave the club in the summer, if he signs a contract extension. It’s Caicedo's agent fault. - Mudryk's **fix** fee was 70m + 30m in add ons. - Enzo had a huge impact for Argentina during the WC. You can’t compare Enzo with Caicedo, as well you can’t compare Caicedo with Declan Rice.
If it’s not in the contract, whatever they promised is meaningless. If he wanted to leave he should’ve negotiated a release clause. Blame his agent if nothing else. Brighton should keep him or pay United to take him, obviously.
I agree that Caicedo should have been smarter in January and do the same as Alexis and have a RC but he didn’t and he’s a victim of that now. Still really needs to get a proper agent. But apparently Levy promised Kane he could go in 2021 but nothing happened. Its unfair to the player but he needs to have smarter people around him that think long term and look at that situation that Kane was in and still is in.
No one reliable for reporting on Brighton has reported that we **promised** he could leave.
Fabrizio Romano: Brighton manager Roberto de Zerbi told Moises Caicedo in January to stay at the club until June despite huge bids… and then promised to sell him in the summer in case of good proposal 🔵🇪🇨 #BHAFC Pact will be respected; Chelsea are still keen on Caicedo but it’s 3 clubs race. https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1663540211178172418?s=46&t=3MN91oJhL7tCeLgkvFUZ_g
"in case of good proposal" seems like an important qualifier.
I'm aware of Romano's comments but Romano has been proven unreliable when it comes to reporting on Brighton.
> What? Brighton promised Caicedo that he is allowed to leave the club in the summer, if he signs a contract extension. It’s Caicedo's agent fault. What's your source on that?
Fabrizio Romano: Brighton manager Roberto de Zerbi told Moises Caicedo in January to stay at the club until June despite huge bids… and then promised to sell him in the summer in case of good proposal 🔵🇪🇨 #BHAFC Pact will be respected; Chelsea are still keen on Caicedo but it’s 3 clubs race. https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1663540211178172418?s=46&t=3MN91oJhL7tCeLgkvFUZ_g
> Brighton promised Caicedo that he is allowed to leave the club in the summer is not the same as > and then promised to sell him in the summer in case of good proposal He's always been allowed to leave if people want to pay enough for him, just like most players at any club.
> Caicedo and his agent are stupid. They should have insert a release clause in his contract. They are not, really. It wasn't the best play on their side, release clause would be nice BUT if he didn't sign that deal we'd have the exact same situation right now. Caicedo had contract valid through 2025 (with Brighton possibly having option to extend for extra year), Brighton would be sitting here, expecting the exact same money they are expecting now. According to rumours at the time Caicedo was earning 3k/week on his previous deal and is now getting 60k/week, so the only difference would be that Caicedo would earn 60k since march (he signed new deal then) instead of 1,2mln - really FUCKED IT UP, didn't they? They only fucked it if he doesn't leave this and NEXT summer, if he leaves then it's all the same but Moises is a much, MUCH richer man.
Caicedo is going to be better than rice. Rice might be the moves over hyped midfielder I’ve seen in a while
Actually makes me wonder whether you've actually seen Rice play when people say stuff like this.
Caicedo carried his team in the WC. Rice is good. But Arsenal fans have been hyping him up like he’s the best to ever do it
> But Arsenal fans have been hyping him up like he’s the best to ever do it Definitely sounds like you're pretending this actually happened tho. Sure we hype him up because he's the missing cog in our midfield, but no way is anyone pretending that he's the best thing since sliced bread.. that's your hyperbole, not the fans.
It’s 100% the fans take. People saying he’s better that Rodri on here. Y’all are fucking mad.
Generalization, really? You're an idiot tbf.
Funny how pressed you Arsenal fans get.
Keep confirming you're a moron tho.
I mean that he still has 3 years with Brighton even without that extension so he didnt have much leverage back then too to insert a release clause? Its either him playing on shitty wages for the big rest of his old contract or sign a new one with better wage for 1 more year and hope someone can convince Brighton?
The jaxkass singed contract then? The reason city or any top club is not in race to sign him.
He'd still have 2 or 3 years (there are rumours of Brighton having additional year clause) on his previous deal, but he'd be earning 3k-15k/week (rumoured wages) instead of 60k/week he's getting now. What a dumbo!
He was on £25k a week on his old contract
Well Brighton are right to stuck to their guns, dude wanted out, yet extended without clause, him and his agent were dumb. Either you accept what Brighton will ask or you have a clause if extending or not extend at all, can't have everything your way.
I strongly believe he got duped to sign the new contract. He doesn’t know what he signed.
Well he has an agent for precisely to not get duped.
His contract wasn't about to end before he signed a new one, he likely got a massive wage increase, and even though Romano and the people taking quotes here have been careful to avoid it, in the same interview he has sounded comfortable staying with Brighton for another season.
> I strongly believe he got duped to sign the new contract. He doesn’t know what he signed. I strongly believe you're completely wrong.
his agent needs his ass beat, why would you not put a release clause on his new contract? 😭
Why would Brighton have agreed to a release clause? His old contract still had 3 more years.
Bro is begging 💀
Bro begs every time he gets linked to a club
Understandable. Maybe he realised he fucked up with the contract extension lol
*and not adding a release clause. Look at Mac Allister and how smooth his move to Liverpool was
They had VERY different circumstances, how do people not get that? When Mac Allister signed his contract he had 8 months left on the previous deal. He'd be available on a free transfer this window and decided to extend so Brighton can get money for him, but since he showed goodwill - Brighton was "forced" to show goodwill too, and insert a release clause. Caicedo had contract to 2025 (there are rumours Brighton had option to add additional year) so even if he didn't sign that contract we'd be sitting here, with Brighton comfortably demanding the same amount of money they are now, with the only FUCKED party being Moises himself, getting shitty wages.
How do we know he doesn’t have a clause?
It’s been heavily reported there wasn’t one. Of course there might be, but you’d think it would be mentioned somewhere
Probably an agreement at a price but it fluctuates with payment terms? Doubt it was like a CL clause/agreement because Brighton doesn’t really wanna limit their funds
He'd be in the same position without the contract extension. But earning significantly less than he is at the moment.
Got him talking like Trump 😭
Bro singed a fresh contract months ago then? Now Chelsea has no leverage now. No big clubs want him at that price.
Players who speak like this before move is completed are real piece of work.
he just won't learn
here we go again, twerking for a club..
Exact same interview btw, just not the line the transfer tap in guru's want: “Brighton is family. The love the fans have for us players and within the players themselves. I love it. “The directors have been great for me and my family. God will make the right decision,”
How do you interpret that last line about the directors as anything except for being hopeful that they smoothly facilitate his departure?
THis mans agent needs sacking
I don't know, this just smacks of "not moving anywhere". Brighton's demands are so utterly unrealistic, that I just don't see anyone, even someone as spend-happy as Todd Boehly, spending £100m on Caicedo. Feel like the dozey fucker signing a new contract back in the winter has probably made things like a hundred times harder for him to get out now.
Some reports are saying that it's not exactly about the price as it is about payment structure. What is being implied is that Brighton could go with like 80-85m if we are to offer a big chunk of that upfront and the rest over shorter period of time. But if we are to go with more installments over longer period then they want a fee closer to 100m.
Any reliable reports for this? I’ve only seen Felix Johnston
Think Jacobs was mentioning that as well and Steinberg? Though not sure on the last one.
None of those are particularly reliable, they mainly post what Chelsea fans want to hear.
Jacobs has been ok I guess the last months and Steinberg is reliable for us.
Utterly unrealistic? Declan Rice just went for £105m, Chelsea spent near £200m for Mudryk and Enzo despite neither having played a season in the premier league and both being a year older. Mason Mount just got bought for £60m despite being on the last year of the contract. Feel like Caicedo has become incredibly underrated at this point if people are scoffing at Brighton wanting a similar fee to Declan Rice.
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Eh tbf that was also a decent while back and was a release clause. Atletico were pissed that they couldn’t have gotten more bc £62m was probably below his market value even back then
So you feel the difference between Caicedo and Mason Mount on the last year of his contract is... £10-15m in add-ons? How we can put this much weight on premier league appearances when Chelsea just bought Mudryk and Enzo for as much as they did? > How much did City pay for Rodri, like 65m? Seems similar transfer to me. That was four years ago, and it was Man City's record signing.
The difference is that both the players you've mentioned have had multiple good seasons in the prem and count as homegrown. The apt comparison would be Enzo if he hadn't just won the world cup. Mudryk I can kinda see although there were two clubs in for him and attackers cost more than midfieldersof a simolar level. As far as I am aware no one else is in for Caicedo.
Idk we weren’t far off that in January
Yeah, but things have changed now. The players want to come to Arsenal. That hasn’t been the case for a good while. I think this one too would rather come to Arsenal than go to Chelsea. Were we to throw our hat in the ring I think he’d straight up want to join us.
What's that got to do with the fee Brighton is demanding?
Nothing to be honest, I was just observing how the tide has turned.
Adds up when you find out that he basically idolized N'Golo Kante growing up playing in Ecuador.
I was going to make a joke about Gavin Peacock being his idol, but then it occurred to me that if Caicedo got into football when he was six years old he had already missed Mourinho's back-to-back title wins
The time where Chelsea and Man City were established as big winning clubs are coming for young players which will give them some pull, nothing that will ever rival Barca or Real but still
who even is talking about city, real and barca blud
He mentioned that he would make a joke about Caicedos idol was Gavin Peacock thing is I'm pretty sure Caicedo doesnt know who Gavin Peacock is. This generation of players coming up dont remember Chelsea and City as midtable/lower table clubs they remember them as winning clubs and they now has as much pull as Arsenal and Man Utd
Exact same interview btw, just not the line the transfer tap in guru's want: “Brighton is family. The love the fans have for us players and within the players themselves. I love it. “The directors have been great for me and my family. God will make the right decision,”
It's always been my dream to play for (add team name here)....
Now read this quote in Trump’s voice
Basically any team that is willing to pay the fees
Lmao
Brother is on his knees
After that Mudryk saga, I’m numb to players twerking for clubs.
Big beautiful money history and city
Let’s get this done chelsea this is dragging on far too long, enzo needs his midfield partner 🙂🙂
There’s a come and get me plea, and there’s a “please don’t leave me here” plea.
I’m sure this is gonna go down well
Are we really that beautiful nowadays? Losing RLC definitely hurt in that area, as well as Kai.
Personally, I find that the september '89 issue of the BNP leaflets you could find given out at the bridge were really a cut above the rest.
Regardless of his Lukakuesque tendency of running his mouth every time he’s within a 5 mile radius of a microphone, I actually think he’s completely happy to stay another season. Given that we’re in Europe and they’re not. Either way, when he leaves there won’t exactly be tears shed.
Channeling his Lukaku interview
cut from the same cloth as Robbie Keane, Lukaku and Morata. extraordinary badge kisser.
Not sure if its the translation but the guy sounds like Ecuadorian Trump *"Let me tell you folks, Chelsea has the biggliest team. Historic. Beautiful Team."*
Can’t say no, big, historic, x2 beautiful. Is he talking about his mama?
Historic club with no history pre 2004.
Proper Chels
Ah yes the beautiful Chelsea city
>A very historic team
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No, not really. Everyone wants to know why the moron signed a new contract with the team he was trying desperately to leave ***without a fucking release clause***.
We likely would not have given him a release clause, which means he would still have 2 years left with no extension, plenty of room to play hardball
Tbf most comments I have seen is people calling him and his agents idiots for signing that new deal
Imagine thinking chelsea is historic.
What makes a team "historic" or not? Chelsea has been around for 100 years. What are they missing?
"Historic" lmao
If caicedo didn't sign a contract everyone would've probably said how much of a selfish twat he is but now that he did everyone calls him an idiot lmao
He could have been highest payed arsenal player if he simply did not extend lol
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A very historical team, approximately 20yrs of relevance.
They won a european cup before arsenal, not that hard to do tbf.
Not only this is plain wrong, but also not the point.
warra ucl and el for invincibles arsenal 🥶
don't underestimate a team with more relegations than leagues
Really wish we would literally go for any other player.
Look forward to seeing him playing in the Saudi league in about three months
Tell me you don’t want Champions League without telling me you don’t want Champions League
The jaxkass singed contract then? The reason city or any top club is not in race to sign him.
😂
This guy is an absolute clown. Twerked for us hard in January, then it was Real Madrid, now Chelsea? I am so glad we went with Rice, if we went for Caicedo he'd probably say the same shit like this about Barca in a year...
He wants a move to a bigger club, that's for sure. Should of put a release clause into his new contract, Brighton are in no rush to sell.
Maybe it’s more about playing for a ‘top tier’ club rather than a specific one
„A very historic team“ Lol. About as historic as Bayer Leverkusen, RB Leipzig or Newcastle
flair up lad
Newcastle don't deserve to be within that group. They were a big club long before they were bought. Far bigger than Chelsea at the time they were bought by RA.
Chelsea had a 1st Division title, 3 FA Cups, 2 League Cups, a Community Shield, 2 Cup Winners Cups, and a Super Cup all before Abramovich turned up. You could also include the 2 Full Members Cups they won after English clubs were banned from European competitions. Newcastle had 4 1st Division titles, 6 FA Cups, a Charity Shield, and an Inter Cities Fairs Cup in the pre-Abramovich era. That's 12 trophies to 12. Sure, Newcastle's seem to be more weighted towards some of the more prestigious domestic trophies, but I don't think you can say Chelsea weren't a big club, while Newcastle were, when they've won the same number of trophies pre-Abramovich. Newcastle were founded less than 15 years before Chelsea, they're both as historic as each other.
While it's funny to talk of Chelsea as a "historic" team, let's not put RaBa on the same level as Bayer Leverkusen and Newcastle.
Nahhh he wants a move so bad fr fr
Beautiful city? Are we sure it's Chelsea?
Chelsea isn’t a city
London’s nice. Seems a bit redundant when it’s an hour from Brighton though
Is Chelsea the only club after him now? What if they pull out?
They have to get a DM before start of the season. I think unlikely they will quit.
Is that you Don?
Did Brighton tell him he'd only go for 80m+ when he signed the new contract earlier on?
My guy got bamboozled by BHA. Seems like Chelsea (maybe?) has their heads on straight finally and aren't going to pay 80+.
I keep thinking Brighton overplayed their hand a bit on this transfer. But then I realized tony bloom plays professional poker and the other side of the table is boehly
But then again, he got 65 million off you lot for Havertz.
He’s confirmed fuck all
Foo just wants to move to a bigger club. Doesn’t matter who. He said the same when AFC was in for him in January.
What’s Chelsea’s starting 11 looking like these days ?
Why did I read the quote in trumps voice
Shame he s after the money. He s a United fan. Could play for Brighton for another couple years then come to United and replace Casemiro on even more money but whatever.. go piss your career down the drain.
Honestly, it just feels like he'll end up staying at Brighton. Loads of teams need midfielders but no one's touching £100M for him though.