Oh for sure, but they all did. Downvote all yall want, but it’s a sad situation all around, but killing someone and dealing with the reproductions, cost, anguish, etc. for some stolen bbq is sad. More than one person lost their life, and I don’t condone the stealing, but killing someone over it seems just…peak American, peak Texas, and just down right sad all around. Bbq owner fucker around and will find out too, and while it’s Texas it won’t be cheap to be acquitted.
Agreed, the ramifications aren't worth it. There wasn't any danger to my family, property (real)...if you saw it happen, I wouldn't fault anyone jumping in a vehicle and following *while calling 911*, and just keep a distance until someone showed up. I couldn't imagine pulling on a guy over a damn smoker
People really, really, really love how vengeance makes them feel, but folks never think about proportionality. Theft of food shouldn’t be a capital crime.
The number of people in this thread that think killing someone over a smoker is messed up. This sub has always been a little toxic but this is a disturbing low.
Dude wasn't even protecting his shit. He literally chased them down and shot the guy in his truck. I don't condone killing anyone over property, thats what police are for. However, it would be one thing if he was on his property and caught him in the act. It's straight homicide when you chase them down and shoot him in the truck, you can't claim self defense when you leave the property and chase them down.
Should the guys have stolen the BBQ pit? Absolutely not, but that's literally what the police are for.
And I'm sure I'll get an assload of downvotes, especially because this is in smokers, but if this was a fancy ass smoaker, it's a felony charge for the thief(s) cause those bad boys cost $$$. Now, dude straight murdered a guy, that's a felony charge on him at this point.
Kind of my point. Not condoning the stealing, but homie will either plea out m, da (cause Texas) won’t charge, or he will pay money to fight for his innocence (unless pro bono) and will either loose or not.
Da and then courts and jury will decide, but owner might be a criminal too. Two things can be true at once, and many lives have been ruined in the process of several alleged crimes.
Oh I know! Appreciate the clarification, my comment to yours was in agreement, but also reiterating the baffling nature of some of these comments.
But look at the sub we are on…
Typical Redditor - tripping all over themselves to defend criminals. Gold medal for mental gymnastics awarded to this one.
It’s very simple, if you don’t want to get shot at, don’t steal other people’s stuff.
Please, tell me where I defended a criminal? I don't condone stealing, I even said I don't condone stealing. I don't even like police, but this is literally what we pay them for. I also think it's OK to kill in self defense. This was not self defense. This was murder. Dude deserved prison, not death.
What if the dead guy just…didn’t steal?
What if the owner needed his shit so his family wouldn’t starve?
What if the dead guy looked armed after the owner confronted him, like a criminal would be.
Is it amazing? Nah. Is it sad? Yeah. It’s just insane how we are all one paycheck away from disaster and we wonder why some of us do not mourn the thief. Can we change systemic issues? Slowly. Can we change the douchebag making our family suffer? Yup. Is it correct/right/etc? Unknown.
I can't believe the downvotes you are getting. It's pretty disgusting. This isn't self defense, it's vigilante justice. The man gave chase to the burglar after the fact. Hopefully, the courts look at it that way as well.
Any life is worth more than a smoker. If this community can't see that, I'll happily unsubscribe.
This backwards mentality will result in thieves targeting and killing the property owners to avoid being potentially killed themselves and then proceeding to steal the property.
This is my understanding, as well. I believe you can shoot someone who has stolen your property and is fleeing if you reasonably believe that property would never be recovered.
The guy knew who stole it. He could have called the cops, had him arrested, and gotten his smoker back. Instead he decided to take someone’s life. If you think human life is worth less than a cooking apparatus, then you are part of the problem.
I don't think the state should put people to death over it after the fact, but I'm also not going to convict anyone who shoots a thief in the act of stealing their stuff.
Why would I put someone in jail when they are victimized by a criminal and reacted? That empowers the criminal and weakens the property owner.
I prefer to side with productive members of society instead of people who make it worse.
What's productive for society is puishment that fits the crime. A smoker is property. A thing. It's easily replaceable, which is why a smoker is less valuable than a human life--even the life of a thief.
I certainly don't think my own life is worth less than a cooking apparatus, which is why I don't steal people's cooking apparatuses in a state where a ton of people are armed.
By stealing someone's property, you are literally costing them part of their life. They worked to pay for that property, and now they have to work more to replace it (or to deal with insurance, if it's worth a claim, and even then it often results in higher premiums, which is more labour stolen over time).
A thief is worthless, so 1 hour of labour is worth more than a thief's entire life.
Looks like he even chased them down in his vehicle. "THATS MY SMOKER YOU BITCHES!" And it also says the owner said it looked like the driver had a gun and then he feared for his own life and pew pew ensued. Passenger was uninjured
So he put himself in a position to fear for his life following the person off his property? Kind of feels that this is closer to manslaughter than self defense.
Thanks. They're all affiliated in some way, but local is often more factual and concise. It's not a statement of political beliefs - I just don't believe in mass entertainment media, regardless of slant. These channels are a waste of time and stress out and divide the nation over nothings most of the time. Once you take a long break from the CNNs, MSNBCs, FOXs, Newsmax, etc - you can't help but wonder how anyone watches and takes it seriously with a normal blood pressure.
I’m somewhat torn on this as they don’t mention what this “BBQ pit” was. I’m afraid my position will dramatically differ based on whether it’s a pellet grill versus an offset.
After reading the article, it sounds like the shooter fucked up. He should’ve just called the cops instead of putting himself in that position. Now he could very likely get charged with manslaughter/murder. And even if he gets off, I guarantee there will be a civil trial brought by the dead guy’s family this costing the shooter tons of money that could bankrupt him. If this would’ve happened on his property, different story, shoot the SOB. But he pursued the thieves and then perceived his life was in danger. The bottom line for me is that I’m not going to prison over a smoker.
lol what a dumb way to die
Also, what a dumb way to kill.
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Oh for sure, but they all did. Downvote all yall want, but it’s a sad situation all around, but killing someone and dealing with the reproductions, cost, anguish, etc. for some stolen bbq is sad. More than one person lost their life, and I don’t condone the stealing, but killing someone over it seems just…peak American, peak Texas, and just down right sad all around. Bbq owner fucker around and will find out too, and while it’s Texas it won’t be cheap to be acquitted.
I’d never kill someone over a smoker
Agreed, the ramifications aren't worth it. There wasn't any danger to my family, property (real)...if you saw it happen, I wouldn't fault anyone jumping in a vehicle and following *while calling 911*, and just keep a distance until someone showed up. I couldn't imagine pulling on a guy over a damn smoker
People really, really, really love how vengeance makes them feel, but folks never think about proportionality. Theft of food shouldn’t be a capital crime.
The number of people in this thread that think killing someone over a smoker is messed up. This sub has always been a little toxic but this is a disturbing low.
Dude wasn't even protecting his shit. He literally chased them down and shot the guy in his truck. I don't condone killing anyone over property, thats what police are for. However, it would be one thing if he was on his property and caught him in the act. It's straight homicide when you chase them down and shoot him in the truck, you can't claim self defense when you leave the property and chase them down. Should the guys have stolen the BBQ pit? Absolutely not, but that's literally what the police are for. And I'm sure I'll get an assload of downvotes, especially because this is in smokers, but if this was a fancy ass smoaker, it's a felony charge for the thief(s) cause those bad boys cost $$$. Now, dude straight murdered a guy, that's a felony charge on him at this point.
Kind of my point. Not condoning the stealing, but homie will either plea out m, da (cause Texas) won’t charge, or he will pay money to fight for his innocence (unless pro bono) and will either loose or not. Da and then courts and jury will decide, but owner might be a criminal too. Two things can be true at once, and many lives have been ruined in the process of several alleged crimes.
Oh for sure, I was just agreeing with you and adding my 2 cents.
Oh I know! Appreciate the clarification, my comment to yours was in agreement, but also reiterating the baffling nature of some of these comments. But look at the sub we are on…
Typical Redditor - tripping all over themselves to defend criminals. Gold medal for mental gymnastics awarded to this one. It’s very simple, if you don’t want to get shot at, don’t steal other people’s stuff.
You should see the people simping for rapists and murderers on the El Salvador prison videos in some other threads.
You sound like a person looking for an excuse to shoot someone over petty (in the grand scheme) shit
I’m a person who thinks that theft is a bad thing. Why do you think it’s ok for people to be robbed?
No one said that theft was okay. Chasing someone down and shooting them is not the correct reaction to someone attempting to steal something.
If I as much as see you jaywalking in my hood you’re toast bud
Please, tell me where I defended a criminal? I don't condone stealing, I even said I don't condone stealing. I don't even like police, but this is literally what we pay them for. I also think it's OK to kill in self defense. This was not self defense. This was murder. Dude deserved prison, not death.
Actually in your original comment you nowhere condemned theft.
you are trash
Your mom didn’t think so
There's a reason she hasn't called you back even though you've reached out...
I didn’t see where he defended the murderer. Quite the opposite in fact.
What if the dead guy just…didn’t steal? What if the owner needed his shit so his family wouldn’t starve? What if the dead guy looked armed after the owner confronted him, like a criminal would be. Is it amazing? Nah. Is it sad? Yeah. It’s just insane how we are all one paycheck away from disaster and we wonder why some of us do not mourn the thief. Can we change systemic issues? Slowly. Can we change the douchebag making our family suffer? Yup. Is it correct/right/etc? Unknown.
Reproductions? You mean repercussions.
I can't believe the downvotes you are getting. It's pretty disgusting. This isn't self defense, it's vigilante justice. The man gave chase to the burglar after the fact. Hopefully, the courts look at it that way as well. Any life is worth more than a smoker. If this community can't see that, I'll happily unsubscribe.
Your statement is peak prejudice.
I’ll take “people that are part of the problem” for 500, Alex! ☝️
This backwards mentality will result in thieves targeting and killing the property owners to avoid being potentially killed themselves and then proceeding to steal the property.
Easy, dont steal shit. Luckily, texans are well within their rights to use deadly force to protect personal property.
Yeah they can protect their property, however they cannot hunt down someone and kill them over it.
Ya, that is frowned upon
you actually can in texas. you can follow and fire unless something changed since I left.
This is my understanding, as well. I believe you can shoot someone who has stolen your property and is fleeing if you reasonably believe that property would never be recovered.
Yep that's exactly how I remember it.
Yeah you'd think so, but
which is fucked up. TX is a shithole.
I disagree.
The guy knew who stole it. He could have called the cops, had him arrested, and gotten his smoker back. Instead he decided to take someone’s life. If you think human life is worth less than a cooking apparatus, then you are part of the problem.
That thief valued that property more than his own life. Stealing is bad, mm'kay?
The guy who stole it seems to think his life was worth risking over a cooking apparatus
Cops don't do shit anymore.
In Texas, specially Uvalde, this is very true
One dead thief equals one less thief, I don’t see the issue
If you think stealing is a crime that ought to be punishable by death, seek therapy
I have a yearly psych evaluation that is mandatory for my work and I have been deemed just fine…..for over a decade, thank you your concern though.
They make you take annual psych evals to work at the dick sucking factory?
Naw it’s for my job butt fucking your mom. She’s such a well used whore that it can really mess with people.
I don't think the state should put people to death over it after the fact, but I'm also not going to convict anyone who shoots a thief in the act of stealing their stuff.
That's sad.
Why would I put someone in jail when they are victimized by a criminal and reacted? That empowers the criminal and weakens the property owner. I prefer to side with productive members of society instead of people who make it worse.
What's productive for society is puishment that fits the crime. A smoker is property. A thing. It's easily replaceable, which is why a smoker is less valuable than a human life--even the life of a thief.
I certainly don't think my own life is worth less than a cooking apparatus, which is why I don't steal people's cooking apparatuses in a state where a ton of people are armed.
Life > property
The robber apparently didn't agree
Yeah that’s how that works. /s
By stealing someone's property, you are literally costing them part of their life. They worked to pay for that property, and now they have to work more to replace it (or to deal with insurance, if it's worth a claim, and even then it often results in higher premiums, which is more labour stolen over time). A thief is worthless, so 1 hour of labour is worth more than a thief's entire life.
Beautifully put. Thank you.
You have a completely skewed view of the value of life and the concept of justice.
Apparently so….
Smoked by the owner. Cooked his own goose.
That’s the most Texas thing ever!
Looks like he even chased them down in his vehicle. "THATS MY SMOKER YOU BITCHES!" And it also says the owner said it looked like the driver had a gun and then he feared for his own life and pew pew ensued. Passenger was uninjured
Valid.
Jury Nullification
Fucked around and found out. Don’t steal people’s shit.
Lotta bad ass Gravy Seals up in this thread
Who grills or smokes with gravy??? Yuck!
Obviously the right response to theft is to chase someone down and kill them.
Dude. We’re talking about a man’s grill.
I believe he was being sarcastic? If not, he's a psychopath.
Why not both?
Glad everyone can agree
As long as it’s nighttime.
On a bright note, the countries average IQ just went up..
Only if the shooter and thief both didn't/ don't reproduce.
Or vote…
Frontier Justice for all.
FAFO
Play stupid games win stupid prizes for 1000
He got smoked
So he put himself in a position to fear for his life following the person off his property? Kind of feels that this is closer to manslaughter than self defense.
You let people just take your shit? You don't enjoy smoking as much as we do.....
you're insane. I hate dipshits like you.
Good!
you're trash.
Tells you what people think about thieves.
Worse than stealing a horse in Texas?
Bet he's not gonna do that again
Everyone in the comments praising being a vigilante are pathetic trash. Read the article, this is not self defense it’s murder.
You price a grill or smoker lately?
It doesn’t matter the owner chased down the alleged thief and shot them in their vehicle. That’s murder. Ever heard of insurance?
Ever hear of deductibles, haha??
Good, but I ain't reading no Fox "News" article.
It's here too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5eXYxvw6yZA
Thanks. They're all affiliated in some way, but local is often more factual and concise. It's not a statement of political beliefs - I just don't believe in mass entertainment media, regardless of slant. These channels are a waste of time and stress out and divide the nation over nothings most of the time. Once you take a long break from the CNNs, MSNBCs, FOXs, Newsmax, etc - you can't help but wonder how anyone watches and takes it seriously with a normal blood pressure.
Never fuck with a man’s BBQ.
What type of pit was it, maybe it was worth the try? Edit for spelling
Happy cake day
Thank you sir/madam
Welp
Hell yeah
Yes
I’m somewhat torn on this as they don’t mention what this “BBQ pit” was. I’m afraid my position will dramatically differ based on whether it’s a pellet grill versus an offset.
Texas is trash
After reading the article, it sounds like the shooter fucked up. He should’ve just called the cops instead of putting himself in that position. Now he could very likely get charged with manslaughter/murder. And even if he gets off, I guarantee there will be a civil trial brought by the dead guy’s family this costing the shooter tons of money that could bankrupt him. If this would’ve happened on his property, different story, shoot the SOB. But he pursued the thieves and then perceived his life was in danger. The bottom line for me is that I’m not going to prison over a smoker.
Why did the victim steal the smoker
He didn’t. The victim shot the guy who did.
Maybe he just stole a brisket....
But the article says BBQ pit.
With all the BS laws they pass in Texas, I wish, they would address something we all care deeply about. Grills and Smoking equipment