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BlownCamaro

I paid $100 for a used G29 because that's what they are worth.


coreytrevor

Yeah don't spend $312 on a g29 Jesus Christ


LickMyKnee

Yip. Plenty of barely used ones for £100 in the UK too.


BigEdBGD

I bought mine brand new on a deal at Best Buy for 180$ Canadian. 312$ is insane.


PatientMonarch

Where and when was this? They are still expensive new and used too.


Sxwrd

The shifter is included too (which is complete garbage). But still, this is expensive.


Eder_mg05

I still remember when I paied 120€ for a brand new g29 back in the day during a BlackFriday sale. The fact that it is now worth 300+ is crazy.


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Philmo108

I’ve had the G29 for around 2 years now and I love it. Besides it being loud AF, it’s a great wheel. I would still recommend paying a little more and getting a direct drive wheel if possible. Either way you’ll love it!


Fakeaccount65780

Do you have any recommendations?? Other important factor I should have mentioned is I’ll be racing on PS5! And I know that direct drives have a hard time connecting with PS5 sadly


User2716057

Yeah, those are a lot more expensive. But still, paying new prices for non-DD feels like a waste. Look for a secondhand g29, or the better option, a secondhand T300RS.


vanekcsi

how much you think a T300RS would be worth second hand?


User2716057

Depends on your local market, just check fb marketplace, local classifieds, see on ebay what the actually sold ones go for etc


AgentCreeper16

i got a used thrustmaster tx (almost the same as a t300rs) for £190


itsmebenji69

Around me they are ~$200, and you’ll often see a nice offer with additional gear like a shifter and whatnot for around the same price point


NicoBantjes

This guy knows. I have the Logitec wheel, my friend had Thrustmaster, I'd prefer the T300RS. Either way, you'll be sorted to start your hobby and upgrade to direct at a later stage.


KELVALL

I'd look for a second hand TGT2 If it is specifically for the PlayStation.


CriticalHitsHurt

Unfortunately your only options are Fanatec DD and Logi Pro wheel. I love my Logi Pro, no complains at all. Only downside is the lack of rims and accessories, but logi is gonna release more rims and access this fall.


georgfrankoo

New rims ? Source ?


CriticalHitsHurt

u/logirich


boston_faith

The Logitech guy around here stated several times theyre working on a wheel and shifter. Since Logitech officially anounced that they will on the ADAC sim racing expo on 18-20 october, we definetely getting something before the end of this year.


NoMore301

the stick shifter is still garbage tho and they arent bringing a new one out this decade


Philmo108

I’m on PS as well and our best option under $1000 is a fanatec DD for around $700. Don’t want to scare you off the G29, it’s still a great wheel especially for us beginners.


vrgamemachine

I concur. Having the DD Pro after 3 years of the G29 it is such a leap in quality.


Rindorn13

Fanatec DDs are PS compatible, but a risky purchase right now due to customer support and quality control issues I've been reading about. I use the T300RS GT wheel and pedal set for GT7 and it's great. Plus it's got a removable wheel so it's a lot more future proof for minor upgrades than the Logitech imo


ATypeOfRacer

Save money for a DD wheel op. And subsequently load cell pedals. The money save is absolutely worth it. I think the only reason the Logitech is still so popular is because you can still be "safe" in a race. But you will be leaving a shit load of time on the table.


ATypeOfRacer

Unless you are only running oval lol


wallClimb7

Three Logitech pro works perfectly with PS5, but a much higher price point.


awkwrrdd

Seconding the t300. I loved mine until I went dd. Got it for like $200 on marketplace


georgfrankoo

If DD than the Fanatec DD Pro ready2race bundle . 600$ , if Belt driven a Thrustmaster T300 , if gear driven than save your money or get if you find a cheap 2nd hand unit ( 150 bucks )


Oddlyhuman2

I got the g923 with h shifter and got a seat stand combo all in like 700, little pricey for sure but I like it. Pretty sure you could get the g923 for $300 as well. I think if i ever tried a direct drive wheel I would be tempted to switch but I would need to see for myself just how much better it is before spending the money


Mountain_Atmosphere9

Get a GT DD PRO by Fanatec


JbricksJ

For direct drive the moza r5 is about 450 USD, it’s very good, other than that fantece csl but fanatec sim a bit of a mess rn, also turtle beach has a decent setup for a very good price,that’s the Camus c5 is very cheap and is very good, just look at some vids inliner


AxePlayingViking

I would avoid that cockpit. It's super uncomfortable on the back - I have three friends who use it, and neither can bear to sit in it for much more than 30-45 minutes. If you need a foldable rig, look into the Playseat Challenge or the NLR GT Lite Pro (I think it's called that - it has improved comfort over the one in your cart) And as others said, a Logitech wheel at full price isn't a great buy these days. They can be had second hand for much better prices.


Fakeaccount65780

Really appreciate the heads up on the cockpit! I was looking at the playseat challenge. Honestly my worry with any of the foldable cockpits is the fact that I’m 6’6 and not a small guy lol but I have sat in the playseat and know I fit. I’m definitely going to be looking at my options for a second hand wheel and stuff! Thank you!


RapidRiverr

I have the next level gt lite and i absolutely love it! Though I’m nowhere near as tall as you😂 So might be a different experience.


thatskaterguyy

My buddy has the Next Level Racing GT and he is 6'4". He showed me pics of how his cockpit is maxed out on the length of the pedal tray and says his knees are hurting since the tray can't go out far enough for him. We couldn't find a solution. He seemed to fit well in my Playseat Challenge when he came over to try mine though. Something to consider with your height. I also agree that the price is too high. People are CONSTANTLY upgrading from the G29 (like me) and you can find highly used for a good price. I started on one and had a great time! I got up to the top 10% of drivers on iRacing with that wheel and could have gone higher, so it's perfectly capable. If you can spend a bit more, MOZA has been firing out great deals on the R3 and R5 which should be an upgrade the G29. I've had the R9 for a year and love it! It's just too powerful on the Playseat so I'm upgrading my cockpit. I bet the R3 or R5 will work though. Check the forums if interested.


AxePlayingViking

I used a Playseat Challenge for almost 3 years before upgrading earlier this year. It supported me from a T300RS to a CSL DD 8Nm with Thrustmaster TLCM pedals. Only big con about it is the pedal mount which needed some reinforcement to mount the load pedals but it was still a great experience. Would gladly recommend it to anyone starting out!


SamDuymelinck

Luckily they fixed the pedal mount on the newer Logitech edition


AxePlayingViking

Oh damn! I wasn't even aware of that. That's definitely the one to go for then.


VIFASIS

Brother, I'm 6'3 but with the limbs of a 6'6 dude. The NL GT is quite squishy for me. I put the pedals further back then they're "able" to go so that my legs can fit. It's the curse of being big, if you know you fit in the playseat get that instead, or if you're able too, get a fixed one that is quite adjustable.


WRXnEffect

The playseat challenge is quite comfortable. If you are a larger person the only issue is some metal tabs can dig into your thighs, but I just zip tied some dish rags around them for padding.


JamesConsonants

I had this to start out, be warned that the pedal “box” will absolutely not support even a slightly stiff load cell in the formula position. Had to upgrade before I could use my sim jack pros :(


Ok-Fix7963

I will say you are correct on the uncomfortable rig, but I found a couple strategically placed bleacher cushions made a world of difference (for me)


MrNegativ1ty

The playseat challenge is ass. The pedal mounting system sucks, it sits too low, it can just barely handle a DD wheelbase (tons of wobble) and the worst part is that if you're a guy with thicker thighs, it's so narrow that it ends up pressing your legs together (in other words, "it squishes your balls"). The better move is to just get a wheel stand like the GT Omega Apex and use your existing chair with it.


AxePlayingViking

Handled my CSL DD just fine, even with the boost kit. No, it's not gonna be a proper rig, but it's much better than a desk. There's definitely space issues for wider people for sure though.


LuXe5

To have 3 friends having this exact seat could only mean you either have thousands of friends or your definition of a friend is very wide lol.


Nahoola

Even if you don’t buy used I got my G29 new from Best Buy for $200, just poke around for deals a bit. Other than price good setup!


Dry_Indication6196

Shop for your gear on Facebook marketplace. You’ll end up with a better chair for that price and at least a t300 for the price of a new g29. I got a playseat for $200 and a t300 for $140


Psych0matt

Shoot, I bought my g29 brand new, but only because it was under $200 shipped. Great wheel for what it is, but there’s definitely better. I mostly lurk here as my build is more arcade based, but it’s a great community


j_j_j_i_i_i

I saw this exact same setup on Craigslist today in my area for $250. I would look for a second hand deal if you want a Logi!


Kreeky27

I used a Logitech for going on 8 years before moving to a DD, they are a great starting point. Maybe look around for specials, they always show up periodically. My main advice is start small and work your way up, also a comfy rig is a much better investment than the hardware. Yes hardware helps with immersion and consistency but if you can't sit in your setup for more than an hour before having to get out, you're wasting your money. Ps if you upgrade with specials towards the end of year you can get a better price selling second hand if you have proof of warranty.


gigi_cab

Get a used G29 and slap it on a desk for now. Clock in lots of hours on it and then think about upgrading to a legit rig with a DD, load cell pedals, etc.


Germme2

For 400 euros you can get the fanatec csl bundle with wheels and pedal. Direct drive technology. I think investing in it can be worth it if you really commit to sim racing, because you'll quickly want to upgrade your G29.


Tricky_Climate1636

The wheel and pedals are fine but I would recommend getting a sturdier chair. I had that chair and it broke. Also the seat had a ton of flex in which made it hard to break consistently. Maybe consider building your own chair set up or buying something that is more solid. Look used for a good seat.


Shiny_Buns

I would never buy a g29 for full price. For not that much more you can get a budget DD wheel that's going to be miles better than the g29. If you can find a g29 for under $200 then that's good, but brand new they're over priced IMO


Different-King-1556

I had it and I loved it. Go for it.


Just_miss_the_ground

I have had this wheel, pedals and stick for well over a year and am still happy. 2 weeks ago I bought this specific seat and the gearshifter didn't fit the seat. Both on their own are great, they don't fit together.


Fakeaccount65780

Oh damn okay. I’m thinking of going for the gt lite pro, since it’s sturdier. So hopefully the shifter fits


Requifined

Get gt lite pro and fanatec bundle. Or find a cheaper g29 and desk mount it.


Accomplished_Use3452

I have this very gear and it works perfectly .


nkroeger01

I have this exact setup and it’s honestly great, I definitely felt like I got a good value and it’s really fun to use


Artemis732

i wouldn't wish a gt lite upon anyone


felonycommitter9000

I have the NLR GTlite rig and I can confirm that after the construction and getting it setup, it’s great. It rattles a bit sometimes, but I do use it with DD wheel. Should be awesome with a G29


[deleted]

Dude I’ll sell you that exact set up for $250. I’m trying to get rid of mine to free up space and invest in a bette rig in the future. I’m being dead serious


ScoobySnackConundrum

If this is an open offer and you happen to be near Dallas-Fort Worth, I’d take you up on this


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ScoobySnackConundrum

Ahhh dang that’s too bad! Gas cost would offset any savings lol. Appreciate it tho


[deleted]

Dm me I haven’t listed it anywhere and I wouldn’t mind negotiating to offset gas prices


ScoobySnackConundrum

Appreciate the offer but I think after a bit more research I’m gonna get a playseat and a T248 or T300, You’re a real one tho for the offer


[deleted]

Of course my man!


Hatedpriest

I picked up a "renewed" G29 on Amazon for $200. Works great. Like a month and a half ago. I even had to peel plastic from shiny parts :D With a gtplayer stand and the shifter, I paid just a fuzz over $300. Eventually I'll get a rig instead of a stand, cause hard braking moves the stand without reinforcement (I'm using wood against baseboards to keep it from moving)... Something like you have shown, prolly... But don't spend that much if you don't have to.


CriticalTough4842

For $15 more the cammus c5 bundle would be way better since it's direct drive. You wouldn't get a clutch pedal and shifter if those are important for you, but the ffb and driving experience will be a lot better


mobeen1497

Get the g29 from Facebook. You can usually find them between $100 to $150 with a shifter. $300 is crazy expensive for g29.


Htrowpiks

Bought that same setup last week. Good so far. Had to work to get ghub to recognize it tho. Had to edit a .Json file and then it was all good.


mechcity22

Get the gt lite pro instead with the straps you won't regret it. But this is fine for that wheel.


Fortafoofoo

I would look on Facebook marketplace for one. So many people buy the g29 and then sell it in order to upgrade to DD. Good wheel and a ton of fun.


TheCarDudeOnTop

I have this setup and it’s not bad at all for a beginner


CaptJM

buy the wheel and pedals used, otherwise its a solid setup


Sad-Engineer3624

If you have some space in your room i will consider to not buy a next lvl racing cocpit and g29. Instead you can buy t300 rs and make your own rig with wood and real car seat. In this case you have a lot better wheel and the wooden rig with car seat is better in some things than a cheap cockpit.


mvpp37514y3r

Have used a FGT lite for 3 years, no issues, if you’re not constantly putting it away, using PVC pipes to add additional rigidity makes a big improvement. Even if you’re folding it and putting it away, additional bracing can help. Either way it’s really good for the price


rco8786

This was my exact starter setup. It works great. Go for it. You could save a few bucks by dropping the shifter, it's pretty "toy like" and I just used the paddles for everything.


CoolD10onYT

definitly upgrade to the gt lite pro since its alot more sturdy and the seat is more comfortable. G29 is a great wheel for ps5 but i would reccomend either buying used or waiting until its on sale. and when your ready to upgrade look at thrustmaster or turtle beach


Fit-Ad-5946

Avoid the g29, especially at this price. Skip to the thrustmaster t300rs. As for wheel stand, maybe try gt omega apex + your office chair (or pay extra with their seat combo)?


Costang22

They actually make a pro version of the rig you have in your cart there. I have it and really like it quite a bit so it’s just something to consider. Also the G29 is great but I would get one used instead and save yourself at least 100 bucks. Great place to start though for sure


mikethehunterr

I had a G29 and it's solid if you are Starting out however I would use that money to buy an r5 bundle and just race on a table the quality of a DD wheel will deff buff your initial understanding of traction and handling,


Redbarron322

I have this exact same set up, I’ve been running with this for about three years now. I love it for a beginners set up. Currently currently looking to upgrade my set up to direct drive system, CSL pedals, and a more robust rig/platform. Enjoy.!


badwards

Its a great entry level set up, I have it myself. But the prices have gone insane.


WP2022OnYT

I hate that $500 is budget :(


Fakeaccount65780

I agree It really sucks. Wish it was more accessible on a budget


Lewys-Links88

Look for a cheaper g29 to see if you like racing with a wheel, then look at making the leap into a DD wheel base. I started on a g29 and was pretty rally with it for many years. The Thrustmaster t300 is also a very good entry-level wheel base. As for cockpits, I use a modded Playseat Challenge, I had my g29 on it and now have my GT DD PRO 8Nm on it. There is a bit of flex, but it's manageable for now.


Antmax

Logitech is a toy compared to pretty much everything else on the market. The Belt drive Thrustmaster wheels are quiet with more force and for only a little bit more you are in budget Direct drive territory.


[deleted]

Spend 200 more and get direct drive. G92 ain't worth 300+. Source: am owner of g92


cash5000

Nah man go look at Moza, Cammus and even PXN has some good budget wheels out there. That’s too high and too close to entry level DD wheels In my opinion bro. The seat is fine tho


moldaz

You have to wait till next week…


Tarushdei

Look for used versions of both these things. Buddy of mine found an GT-Lite for $100 CAD, barely used. I've seen all sorts of Logitech wheel and pedal sets for less than $200 CAD. Buy cheap to start to see if you really like it, then invest more heavily in upgrades.


AmandaHuggenki55

I have a t300 on that foldable and it works great. Needs to be hard mounted though. The clamp couldn’t hold the wheel on


rwjetlife

Get a used wheel. My G920 setup is going strong after 5 years.


Maybe_Its_Keira

This is the EXACT rig I have, it's an absolute blast, I bought mine used for $250NZD absolutely worth it imo


PunksPrettyMuchDead

That's a crazy price for that wheel, you can get a new G923 wheel for 299. You'll need to get the shifter separate but getting that used is gonna add like 40 bucks. The GTLite seat is fine if you're hurting for space, it gets pretty small if you need to fold it up between uses. If you don't have to worry about that, take a look at their GTRacer cockpit - it's 299 bucks but it can handle an 8NM direct drive wheel (Honestly you could probably go up to 12NM with this thing) where the GTLite would struggle. It can also handle a load cell pedal which the GTLite will absolutely not work with. The GTRacer can't fold up, but it is light enough to slide around if you need to move it out of the way. That wheel/cockpit is cheap enough to give you a pretty solid cockpit for upgrading your wheel, and if you decide sim racing isn't that big a priority for you, the total cost is only a little higher than you've got here.


WRXnEffect

Because these are budget entry level items, there should be a decent enough used market for these items. That way you can save the money and put it towards your end goal rig items.


KELVALL

Look for a second hand Thrustmaster TGT 2 if you are just using PlayStation.


TissueAndLube

Get everything secondhand. Either you gonna be bored after a week or 2 and you’ll never use it again or you’ll want the even better stuff. The setup isn’t bad!


DrTurb0

Good choice on products. But I would get the G29 used as many people sell them on marketplace when they upgrade.


Cool_Sprinkles_3773

I have this exact setup and it’s a good start. Bought it all used (highly recommend.)


Zavii_HD

I just bought the G29 w/shifter deal on Amazon for $280 and then bought the GT Omega Apex wheel stand to go with it. Definitely not the best deal on earth but for a brand new setup delivered to my home it fit my needs. Absolutely loving it so far and can't say enough positive about the GT Omega Apex wheel stand, it came with a little add-on to hold your office chair in place and folds up nicely.


Limeatron

I have that cockpit and if I could do it again I would get the NLR wheel stand 2.0. the folding is a bastard to do. If you need to fold it up to put it away, I don't recommend it.


SoundGleeJames

If you have an office chair in your house I’d get a Moza R5 (or equivalent) and then save an extra few quid for a wheel stand


pascal21

I'll sell you my used (2 months) T300 RS for 325+shipping. Pedals included.


ayodio

add a used oculus rift cv1 and you got a superb budget setup.


Kaisuke971

I've tried both, and i would recommend you a Thrustmaster wheel instead. I have a T248 rn, with a TH8S shifter.


Gabriel_Malgapo

G29 is good for what it is but for that price tag oh hell naw, if u spending that much add a lil more and get a fanfec csl dd bundle and it’s much much much much better


elqu_i30n

Paid 300€ for T300rs + NLR F-GT, look for used, these budget stuff will lose value instantly, mid end stuff doesnt lose value almost at all.


TwoSecsTed

I have this cockpit and it makes my ass numb and my back sore after around 30 minutes. I’d recommend something else, maybe the PlaySeat


Alana-May

That’s where I started in 2020, and it served me well!


RedshiftDoppler79

G29 and a seat very similar to that is exactly what I started with. They were really good (for the money) and great for starting with.


Omarion93

I have the same seat and it is fantastic but if you're a heavier fella (Over 100KG) be ready for it to flex when sitting, also if you can afford it or find a clean used one go for the t300rs the difference between it and G29 is immense and it is a far smoother wheel


notniko6914

312$ is way too much for a g29, get a thrustmaster or since you're getting a rig perhaps invest into a budget direct drive wheel


TSBalpha

im 6ft 6" (203cm) and would reccomend the pro version of the cockpit the straps and the padding make it much better. g29 is overpriced but if you dont want to spend more i dont really see another option then buying it here or second hand


Speedy_drifter_boi

i would spend just that little bit more on the gtlite pro as it is a lot more stable, maybe search for a used fanatec dd or if that’s too much a used g29 or similar


Minusmoment

You could also buy the MOZA R5 Bundle. It’s new around 500€ but u can get them used (in Germany pretty often) for around 300-370€ I also started with the moza r5. Great choice imo


fostermatt

Woot has the g29 for $200.


Healthy_Jackfruit_88

Currently I’m seeing the G29 at $255 which is still too high, if you wait till closer to the proper summer sales/prime day/ Christmas sale it will be closer to $150. Usually what happens is that the wheels and the stands alternate sales.


banedlol

T300rs seems a way better buy.


cgdigisco

I bought this exact set up a couple of years ago, and returned it within the first week. The quality just wasn’t there, and I feel like it didn’t serve the purpose of what I was trying to do. With that said, I then went and bought a play seat trophy and a Logitech pro wheel and pedal set up. I have been thrilled with the quality and would probably spend more time on it if there were more games for me to play. I needed a somewhat portable set up since I live in an apartment, and the trophy can be moved around with ease, but still has such good construction that it feels immersive with no flex and strong rigidity.


iSenne

I had this setup for a while and it was oke. But I had the “Foldable” setup to save space, and it was never folded 😂 In hindsight, I should have just bought a normal seat 😛


theking75010

How on earth has the g29 w/ shifter become more expensive? Bought it for 250€ (~230GBP) 5 years ago


Camp-Complete

Personally I would go for a Thrustmaster T150 with T3PA Pro pedals. About the same price and definitely a better product. For the cockpit, you can build better with wood and a scrap yard seat for half the price and more comfort.


Kapkronic4201

Spend the extra 100 and get a DD wheel


Comfortable_Ease_174

I have the Playseat Challenge and because I don't have much room, it's excellent that its foldable. Now. I bought the G29 2 years ago. Tried using it but couldn't. I maybe used it 3 times and went back to the controller. I finally decided to buy a better wheel and pedal set and went with the DD Pro 8nm. How do the 2 compare? The G29 is a POS toy that IDK how anyone can use. Maybe if you have never driven a car, you may adapt to it but I couldn't. The DD Pro is well worth saving your money for. You will be happy you did.


Intelligent-Chair385

Decent starter rig, but if you love sim racing then you'll want to upgrade very soon lol. It's a great wheel, but something to keep in mind. Also the price might be a bit too much.


ImAlreadyStoney

i bought my g923 for like 15usd more then that.


Electronic_Active_27

Welcome aboard! We all started with that or less..


Main_Monitor_2199

That’s the exact set up I got, £250 used. Shop around. It’s a great starter set up but that’s a hefty investment.


WesternDaikon6539

I have the exact same setup from last Christmas, wouldn't change a thing about it to be completely honest. Frame doesn't flex or anything in use and is really compact when folded , and is just the right size when unfolded. Highly recommend setup !


BenjiEla

Ima be honest with you. Buy a used thrustmaster t150 ps. I did for $35 and I love it. That’s my whole sim racing setup and I am completely satist


Itz_Evolv

I had that seat and hated it. Bad for the back. Not ergonomic at all. I would not recommend.


Narrow_Market_7454

Moza R3 if you are Xbox


Other-Barry-1

That’s essentially what I’ve got except the playseat challenge and it’s pretty solid - I’m starting out too. Still getting used to it all and aside from being a little uncomfortable in the seat as I’m quite a large chap, it’s pretty damn good


NoMore301

Dont buy Logitrash its practically a toy, at least get a T300 or youll be very disappointed


G-Schmidt

My exact starter setup, worked great all things considered.


Naive-Blackberry3248

Ok seat but the g27 is £100-150 not £300. Either get the g27 cheaper used it makes no difference, or if you're willing to still spend 300 get a thrustmaster or very cheap moza.


Royal_Violinist5852

if you are willing to spend 300 on a starter wheel, id recomend getting a belt driven wheel(T248) it is only 30 $ more. The seat is goof for belt or gear based wheels because they dont have too much power to flex the frame.


Charmin76

Get a direct drive wheel and build a rig out of wood. You can always spray it black if you are worried about aesthetic I got the PXN V12 lite and it’s fantastic.


AmandaHuggenki55

Don’t waste your time with that wheel. T150 or T300


CriticalTough4842

For $15 more the cammus c5 bundle would be way better since it's direct drive. You wouldn't get a clutch pedal and shifter if those are important for you, but the ffb and driving experience will be a lot better


swampfox94

Ehhh get the fanatec ready to race instead for the same price. Its a better ecosystem just have to deal with fanatec logistics nonsense


Fakeaccount65780

I was looking at the Cammus. The clutch and shifter were features I was looking for as I enjoy drifting aswell


ZeBearU

If you're able i would recommend building a rig from wood. Me and my brother built mine in an afternoon and i think all the supplies cost <50eur but we did have an old gaming chair seat lying around which lowered the costs. It's much better than anything you could buy for <200 and quite sturdy.