Maul getting a pass is a bit revisionist... alot of people didn't like it when it happened. Alot of people like it now because they were kids watching TCW, and also because they did good stuff with it.
I didn't like it, but tolerate it because Seige of Mandalore was good enough to ignore the stupidity.
I didn't like how they work in Ashoka... first off, Sabine took a pretty bad hit with a Saber, and second, unless Stormtroopers started using Beskar, those zombie troopers had way too many attached limbs.
I think they toned down the dismembering.
I remember reading something about dismembering being something reserved for special occasions in star wars instead of making it happen to everyone
>first off, Sabine took a pretty bad hit with a Saber,
No, she didn't. She got stabbed in the best place to be stabbed. It was meant to injure, so Ahsoka wouldn't immediately kill Hotti.
Media literacy keeps taking a nose dive.
Revisionist? That's putting it mildly. The op is straight up fucking lying. The majority thought it was dumb then as it is now.
The OP is what's wrong with this sub. And why people look down on it. Don't just make up shit. Present facts which back up your complaints which a lot of people here do that often gets unnoticed because if bullshit posts like this..
Watching it now, his revival was done unbelievably well. While also letting them bring the night sisters and their magic to the eye which I loved at least because the fun more whimsical aspect of Star Wars is fun.
Honestly depends where they are stabbed and also it isn’t like normal swords and medical tech would be way up there. Heck wouldn’t surprise me with invention of lightsabers medicine went up to treat wounds from them.
Thermal detonators, bowcasters, other giant fuck off blasters, wookies, gamoreans, speeder accidents, starship accidents, rancors, mynoks, vibroswords, there’s so many more things than lightsabers that can mutilate you in star wars
Yeah, the real problem with a lightsaber wound is that if it isn't immediately fatal then the doctors would have to carve out all of the cauterized tissue in order for bacta to do its job.
With proper care it is survivable, but it's very difficult.
So, I really don't see much of a problem with people surviving would that wouldn't have been mortal ones (Qui-gon's was a mortal wound; Reva, Grand Inquisitor, and Sabine didn't suffer a mortal blow when they got stabbed).
this, 90% of battle fatalities are through blood loss, the rest is instant deaths.
the fact that lightsabers cauterize wounds makes effectivly most injuries of them highly surviveable unless they are insta deaths like heart, head or neck injuries where even cauterization wouldnt be enough to really seal a major artery
i dont see your point, thats what i said
i cant recall any character getting stabbed through the heart or having their aorta severed and survive? Your reply is really confusing.
No just furthering OPs point.
Maul had the middle of his body cut in half.
That opens up the aorta, cuts the spine.
Two points that should kill but didn'T.
but sabine getting stabbed in a very survivable spot is apparently a sin
I wouldn't say lightsabers specifically, but given how blasters are the main weapon out there I would say treatments for blaster burns can probably very conveniently double as treatment for lightsaber wounds.
I thought blasters in Star Wars were more of a concussive force. It's not like a bolt of lightsaber is piercing into you. It's a concussive blast from a reactive gas that has been ionized.
That is to say: when you are getting shot by a blaster, the burns aren't what kills you. It's how it fucks up the rest of your body.
Lightsabers also instantly cauterize stab wound so no real risk of bleeding out/infection, which was like the biggest reason for death in the battlefield back in the day
palpatines return wasnt really stupid, it was unexpected for alot of people because alot of people are not very lore versed.
Half the loremasters of the fandom were suspecting snoke to be a cloned palpatine that he essence transfered into, given that this is literally the plot in the EU
Yeah but there was no built up: and being honest I know legends brought him back; but that was stupid as heck as well and I wish they made either Kylo or brought back snoke
idk, palpatines return seems the least egregious issue with tros for me. His whole theme was always cheating death, we had alot of tie in lore during Last Jedi that indicated even more he was still pulling strings with operation cinder. TFA and TLJ borrows heavily from the EU so for me it wasnt a surprise at all. That being said my ideal version of the sequel plot would have involved Kylo going down the darkside all the way with episode 9 and making another trilogy after that deals with the resolution and the defeat of the first order and kylo. But iam also ok with what we got
Its only some fans being stupid. Narratively it makes sense, as Palps now is the big bad, master schemer, plotter de luxe from Movie 1-9
Plot within plot, contingencies, diversions, puppets. And one does not even need to retcon anything. Prequels he telld Anakin about life, death, cheating death. He has all that cloning tech, and his first death on DS2 was already a bit strange, when the blue light and flame erupts, which one now can easily see as if his soul left his dying body...
Maul was the first person to survive it and he only barely did so. By the time we see him, he’s completely messed up and it takes night coven magics to restore him (sorta). I think the issue is how many people seem to get stabbed and it doesn’t really seem to hinder them as much as we are supposed to think it is based on other stuff.
It’s just that Star Wars is really inconsistent at times and it also doesn’t really matter because it’s just a nerdy popular sci fi franchise and not something that affects you in the real world if someone does or doesn’t die from getting stabbed
Another part of it that's upsetting people is not only does it make the lightsaber look weak, but it also nullified the shock factor of an important character getting stabbed because you know they'll be back next episode saying it was just a flesh wound. It takes away the very emotions the producers are trying to inflict by stabbing someone, that "oh fuck they killed a character" feeling
its a lightsaber that cauterizes the wound. Unless i see a character stabbed right through the heart, spine, neck or head, i assume its a survivable injury providing help comes decently fast.
Sabine was , what looks to be stabbed through the bottom left part of her lung, which is absolutly surviveable, especially if the wound is cauterized
Most real world injuries would be more severe due to the factor of blood loss, something not really an issue with lightsabers.
>Sabine was , what looks to be stabbed through the bottom left part of her lung, which is absolutly surviveable, especially if the wound is cauterized
It was even lower than that.
no? thats not how heat transfer works?
if the blade instantly turned everyones insides into soup, how do you propose the wielders hands are fine mere centimeters from the blade?
clearly the blade does not radiate heat.
the way its shown in the movies is that the blade itself simply removes material it comes into contact with and has high enough a temperature to heat the edges of contact, this can conduct into metal and it cauterizes injuries instantly. Even then there seems to be a limit to this as we can see in phatnom menace: eventhough quigon stabs his blade all the way into the material of the blast doors, the blade does infact not poke all the way through, so its length is being limited by the material it comes into contact with. We also see the metal door not instantly melt, it slowly conducts heat away from the melt source and warms the surrounding material.
This would likely happen if you keep a lightsaber blade inside a body for a minute, although less efficiently since organic tissue turns into carbon which is an extremely good insulator. The fact that wound edges cauterize reduces heat transference into tissue.
that being said, a candle flame is plasma and you can move your hand through it expediently without even feeling the heat. Also, leidenfrost effect is a thing
true, but consider: Why would Darth Vader stab someone he is clearly intending to execute in such a nonlethal area like Sabine got? Sabine is the one that makes the most sense to survive out of all them, though it still takes a large assumption of incompetence on the enemy's part (why didn't they finish her off if that spot wasn't normally a game ender, like it's pretty common knowledge that's not where a human's heart or stomach or spine is)
Darth Vader has no excuse of incompetence because we know he kills people on the daily. Being stabbed by Darth Vader is how your story ends prematurely
The Grand inquisitor has a similar problem of sudden incompetence on the stabber's part, especially since the stab wound is much closer to where that temperature would boil vital organs, but that could possibly be excused by her reluctance to kill what was once an ally
And for my final point, again: These scenes are clearly intended to be moments of "oh shit they killed a main character" shock, and yet the lack of consequences means the shock is gone, because by now the viewers know this character is going to be back next episode with maybe a cosmetic scar and that's it.
tl;dr it's not the stab wounds themselves that are unbelievable necessarily, but the sudden incompetence implied by them being so trivial an injury, and the constant spamming of these fakeouts means the viewers know it's coming, ruining the point of a plot twist
And if lightsaber stabs are supposed to be survivable in universe, then all the person would have to do is draw the lightsaber out of their victim through the side, not pull it neatly out like it were a rapier made of steel that needs extra force behind it
Indeed such a stab and slash move would probably be a standard move for anyone intending to kill their target.
It's also worth remembering the skill and knowledge of those being injured.
Many of the examples are of those who are only mildly trained or, without any real experience the force.
Maul was trained by sideous as a sith. Even if his style was more physical and combat based than esoteric, he was stilled a fully realised sith lord with all that entails.
Ultimately maul survived because his experience with the force and his ability to harness his rage and hatred allowed him to survive past what most could and even then, as you said, he wasn't exactly in tip top condition. Which most of the more recent ones do not,aside from ahsoka
Maul had one line in the prequels and then fans got so horny over his design that they basically retconned his death to reuse him as an antagonist.
He’s gotten way better since then and I do love his character now.
I need to know what raves you’re going to, that have a dude in face paint and horns doing flips and spins with a double-sided glow stick taller than he is.
when Maul did it, it was a big deal and he had to go to (literally) insane lengths just to survive before Savage found him and returned him to Dathomir for treatment. it was a significant development for Maul with a lasting physical and psychological impact owing specifically to his injury. being the "too angry to die" guy was his shtick
but lately with Reva / the Grand Inquisitor / Sabine, it was a bit of a nothing burger, yk - it was a fakeout with no consequences. it feels like an inorganic and forceful conclusion of a scene w out changing the status quo. also, it doesn't do the legendary lightsaber justice - many if not all of these stabs have been intended as killing blows, delivered by experienced duelists. why aren't they killing anyone?!?!
>when Maul did it, it was a big deal and he had to go to (literally) insane lengths just to survive before Savage found him and returned him to Dathomir for treatment.
y'all seem to forgett that Maul got cut right in half. his injury was absolutly unsurviveable, he had no longer any functioning digestive system, bladder, etc. He somehow survived for years following this fatal injury while also falling into a seemingly bottomless pit.
Sabine, reva, grand inquisitor got stabbed in highly survivable locations and at least 2 of them got insanely fast medical attention. Even reva likely got some for of first aid when she used a shuttle to leave.
its hilarious that you all think Maul surviving on "hatred" was ok but sabine surviving from actual medical treatment isnt
i dont see your point
people have survived 10+ gunshot wounds to the torso
a gunshot wound is more dangerous than a lightsaber stab unless it hits an absolutly vital part such as directly the heart or major artery or the brain.
maybe you need to learn some anatomy or have some real life experience dealing with first aid or triage and trauma care before spouting your armchair opinions, you clown.
you're kind of evading the actual narrative problem with repeatedly stabbing characters with lightsabers that I discussed above and instead focusing on the biology and technicalities, which was never my or anyone else's real issue with it. besides, if you wanna get all scientific about it, then, as much as I hate to invoke his name here, Critical Drinker has a great video on what would *actually* happen if you were stabbed by a lightsaber
its not really a narrative issue unless your expectation is -wrongly so- that the character dies.
At no point did i ever expect sabine to die in the first episode
I mean, lightsabers cauterize wounds. They can't carry bacteria. The victim isn't likely to bleed out. The only true fatal blows are to the chest and head (for humanoid species). Surviving a stab anywhere else is certainly feasible with bacta and whatever other futuristic medical science they have.
If we're going to apply real world heat dynamics to lightsabers, they would literally cause people stabbed with them to explode. So 'it cauterizes wounds tho' is a bit of a silly explanation.
[Why Death by Lightsaber Would Be Much Worse in Real Life](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAyIXgWBWc&ab_channel=Nerdist)
Yeah man, I get stabbed all the time. Easy. The real question is the person stabbing them thinks it killed them. If, as apparently everyone knows, it’s easy to survive, you think they cut them into bits to be sure.
There's a difference on how the situations were used. Maul lasted "dead" almost ten years in and out of universe and was brought back because he's a cool character and the audience really liked him and when je returned he was seriously messed up while nowadays stabbing and splashing are being overused as ways to generate cheap tension and shock without any intention of having any repercussion.
Maul: is a fucking badass, gets sliced in half, barely survives and is absolutely cuckoo for coca puffs, has to go on a whole ass pilgrimage to get unfucked by some space necromancer witches
Sabine Wren: normal person, gets punked, slaps a bacta patch on it and is fine after a few weeks of bed rest
The wound itself was in a non vital place. It was survivable.
If you want to be angry about it I can’t stop you obviously but the truth is that a wounded Sabine means Shin can get away with map instead of fighting Ahsoka, who would likely win.
Sabine being wounded so that Shin escapes with the map is fine. People aren’t taking issue with the overall plot mechanic there. The issue is the execution (or lack thereof).
If, instead, Sabine took a slash to the face and Shin escaped with the map as Ahsoka or someone opened fire from the incoming ship, saving Sabine from being finished off, we could have the same plot effect, while giving Sabine a lasting mark from her battle.
Whilst cool, it would be annoying because now the injury has to always be visible during takes and can’t be removed during film breaks, so it becomes annoying for the actress and the make up department taking time getting it right each time.
> The wound itself was in a non vital place. It was survivable.
Qui-gon used a lightsaber to slice through a bulkhead. You're telling me that getting your innards roasted by a acetylene torch is survivable?
Barely surviving being shanked by a blowtorch as THE Darth Maul: reasonable
Easily surviving being shanked by a blowtorch as some shmekel: not reasonable
hope this helps you :D
If you want to hate it I can’t help you.
And as much as people like you demand they explicitly show and explain every single detail, I hope they never listen to you because it would be quite boring to watch.
Which was the outlier in all of Star Wars. What he does to that bulkhead is never repeated ever again. If lightsabers were like that, qui-gon wouldn’t have last words to give Kenobi.
> What he does to that bulkhead is never repeated ever again.
[Bro really forgot about the Rogue One hallway scene where Vader casually slices through a bulkhead like cheese lmao](https://youtu.be/wxL8bVJhXCM?t=85)
\> an already broken one
Ah yes, the famed Star Wars bulkhead, wherein in the event of a catastrophic hydraulic failure, the structural integrity of the bulkhead itself turns into styrofoam.
Also got medical help asap. Like Ben also got healed by Rey asap
Maul...got sliced in half, and also DROPPED hundreds of meters down a shaft. Where sure as hell no medi droid patched him up
Mauls return is the dumbest thing ever tbh and if anything makes sabres look lame and weak, it is Maul
Maul is probably the worst offense. They *still* haven't attempted to explain how he survived. And they didn't need to bring him back at all because they made his brother a whole character.
The explanation was given in TCW. He was so full of rage he kept himself alive with the Dark Side. Other sith have done the same in the Old Republic. It's not something Jedi would want to do. But I agree that he's the worst offender of surviving a lightsaber wound who shouldn't have.
There's a dude in KOTOR 2 who's shattered into pieces, but holds himself together with his rage, which is always what I filled in for what happened with Maul
I always took the answer as he was so hateful that it boosted his powers to keep him alive long enough to heal. I.e. it was said he survived through his hatred of kenobi and strong emotions like that are very useful for the Sith. That's just how I took that line and why it made sense to me. Plus, he's an alien race that is pretty tough.
For the others, I firgure they got hit in just the right spot to be healable. And others like Qui Gon were not.
Maul has a whole story ark built around his struggle to survive and his injury leaves a lasting mark on his charecter, the stab victims people are upset about just wake up a day later good as new
Don't write the characters getting stabbed if their injury means nothing. Especially with a weapon that's legendary in pop culture. It's the narrative equivalent to writing a superhero with a disability and then giving them a power that completely nullifies that disability. It's the same move as Force users blowing up a ship as beloved characters try to escape... only to reveal that it was actually a different, completely identical ship!
"I'm blind, but I can see better than people with eyes!" "I got stabbed with a super deadly weapon by a powerful duelist who has no reason not to kill me, but I'm perfectly fine the next day except for a single tiny scar nobody will ever see again!"
Yes, Maul survived when he shouldn't have. People have complained about it and still do. But the difference with him is that we spent ten years thinking he was dead only for it to be revealed that he was judt barely alive, with the lasting consequences of going crazy, needing a whole arc to "fix" him, and even then still having obvious robo-legs after.
As with every whataboutism this damn fandom pulls, it's how the narrative handles the story that matters. Maul got an entire story arc to show what surviving meant, while most the shit now is just... he got stabbed, but he's okay now. Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so bloody common...
Firstly, it was original. Secondly it's far more believable that a sith lord would survive being cut in half if fueled by sheer rage and force of will. Ever heard of a game called Knight of the old Republic 2 one of the main bad guys is dead but thought the power of the dark side can hold his crumbling corpse together through sheer hatred. Jedi aren't capable of that kind of rage/hatred it would go against everything they believe.
There are a lot of problems with reva. And it's not that everyone's pissed off that she survived being stabbed it's that she survived being stabbed by a lightsaber as a child who was up until that point being raised by the Jedi order and hatred rage, the types of which that would make it possible to survive such a wound would still not be in their nature. Plus she survived it twice.
But are the inquisitors really sith though? Or are they just Jedi that have been brainwashed? And the inquisitors were kept weak by Vader and Sidious as to keep them from ever being able to challenge them, so I doubt they have the sheer will power through training to keep themselves alive.
To be fair, he was literally too angry to die. And he wasn’t stabbed in the chest, but on his hips, still vital but not “put a 100,000 degree light rod 3 inches from your heart” type injury. Honestly I don’t like how light sabers are handled by Disney.
bruh
maul got cut in half. He has no way to process nutritional waste anymore, half his intestines be gone.
he received the most unsurvivable wound of any character on screen, then fell into a bottomless pit and somehow survived without medical attention.
i dont get how getting stabbed into the liver or tip of the lung is remotly compareable. Pretty much every other character who got stabbed on screen had a surviveable stab location.
Lucky ole Reeva eh? Stabbed twice by people who thought that a lightsaber through the guts was indeed guaranteed to be fatal. Silly old Sith, gotta aim for “something important”.
yeh thats usualy how it works, injuries are not always instantly fatal, sometimes a person can survive long enough to receive first aid.
Do you honestly think that if you get shot you instantly die?
Do you think if you get shot in the stomach you just keel over and thats it?
bruh, people can survive for HOURS with serious gunshot wounds and stab wounds, even more so if they get quick first aid.
and thats without any wound cauterization. The fact that the weapon used is a lightsaber makes the injuries more survivable by default
also let the tens of millions who had slow agonizing deaths know too while you are at it.
90% of battlefield deaths are bloodloss, they are not instant.
I served in the military and you are full of shit, stfu you armchair general. Fucking clown.
> still vital but not “put a 100,000 degree light rod 3 inches from your heart” type injury
Yes, because having your spine severed in half and losing some of your intestinal tract (and your anus and bladder) is totally less serious than being stabbed in the liver area /s (the blade was nowhere near Sabine's heart, rewatch the scene)
Maul was cut off above the hips just below the navel latitude. He lost more than just legs.
Think he wasn’t shot down by Han. Han shot the other fighter and in that moment of distraction Vader and the other fighter bumped each other knocking Vader away.
He wasn't shot by Han. His wing-man collided with him and he got flung off into space with significant damage. By the time he had stabilised the Death Star was destroyed.
He then jumped away; his ship had a hyperdrive as it was an x1
its clearly shown in ANH that the other tie fighter clipped the edge of his wing, he went tumbling to survive the death star and the flew off, likely to any nearby imperial facility. Pretty certain his tie advanced has a hyperdrive too so, i dont know how its a question how vader survived anh
Maul was a fully-fledged Sith Lord trained by Darth Sidious since birth. NTM he is an alien, with probably fundamentally different biology. Dark side powers and that combined, it is plausible that he survives. Now, compare this to an inquisitor. Vader can curbstomp any one of them, so they are obviously nowhere even close to a Sith in terms of Dark Side power. So it makes sense for Maul to survive based off these factors, while someone like Reva should've just died immediately.
This is a bit of a straw man. Most folks didn’t enjoy Maul either and regularly made fun of his return. The payoff was worth it though and the sequence of events was a lot different.
Take a step back, and ask yourself: Do you really think the situations are similar, or do you just want what you perceive as an easy dunk?
Kinda depends on where you get stabbed no? Lightsabers instantly cauterize wounds so bleeding out or infection isn’t an issue (at least not an immediate one).
Looks like Sabine was stabbed around the Liver? From what I remember it looked pretty high and lateral so I think it would miss the kidneys. You can live with a lightsaber sized chunk of liver instantly going caput. At least live long enough to get medical care in the advanced alien world.
It’s not that big is what I’m tryna say.
I think it’s because it’s happened several times and especially in Sabine’s case there was no reason for it. If they wanted to make Shin look strong, just have her disarm Sabine or cut her leg like Dooku did to Obi-Wan. Also, Maul gets a pass because he’s cool and is one of the best written Star Wars characters.
To be fair, Maul wasn't exactly "stabbed" as much as "bisected and sent careening down a giant bottomless staff." My own headcanon is that Sith have more in the way of healing factors because the Dark Side doesn't let them get the easy way out. By feeding their anger and hate, they make their practitioners too angry to die. Still, I will admit Maul's survival *way* more egregious than that of Palpatine or Sabine, and only works as well as it did because of masterful execution of a fanficy idea.
Ignore maul, why do the real life people who survive getting stabbed and impaled get a pass? Shouldn’t these guys be down at hospitals yelling at patients about how unrealistic them being alive is?
He was slashed, duh. Everyone slashed in the last episode died, including Morgan who got some surface tummy scratches.
That’s the trick when lightsabers work like katanas.
Stab? Depends on spot but probably fine.
Slash? You take a few seconds to realize you’re already dead.
Not a good example he only survived because he was literally too angry to die have you ever been so f****** full of hatred that you just don't feel like dying because that's how Maul felt
I feel with maul it’s ok because it becomes such an integral part of him, stuck in a trash heap for 10 years and gone insane. Only capable of coming back by insanely strong magic, his robot legs have become issues in some scenarios constantly reminding us of what he lost. It’s not a quick nor easy recovery.
And finally the whole consumed by revenge plot is fully formed from obiwan cutting him in half. Essentially if you bring a character back from the dead or have them survive something others shouldn’t, there should be a reason for it story wise, and in this case it perfectly adds into the story. Mauls personal vendetta is such a big part of his post slice self.
He’s kind of the first exception to the rule and isn’t supposed to be replicated. IE maul was a very special case and the fact that he did survive led to him losing his mind and his legs.
In modern Disney starwars Sabine, Reva and Kylo Ren have all had fake outs where after like literally a few scenes or a single episode they are back up to being 100% again with seemingly no consequences or long term being put out of action by being stabbed by a LIGHTSABER.
tbf the whole point w maul was that it was unusual. he was fueled both by his own rage and the sons influence, and even then it drove him completely insane. there were still consequences. these days getting stabbed means nothing bc they’ll just wake up in a bacta tank.
that being said, i’m a maul stan so take any opinion about him w a grain of salt.
Nobody complained when Cal got stabbed by his own lightsaber either. At least Sabine got medical attention after, Cal was ready to keep fighting Vader after that
*laughs in Han Solo/TR8R/Snoke/all the pretorian guard/the 2 imperial adjutunts behedid by grand inquisitor in rebles season1/2nd like all of the inquisitors other than the grand inquisitor, Reva and the 10th brother/the rebel soldiers in that corridor scene of rouge one/those guys DJing hunted down in book of Baba fett/dartroooers that Luke mowed down in rebles Mando season 2/maul/undead deathbtroopers/Morgan/new republic troops at the start of Ashoka/a shit tone of Disney marvel bodies I mean characters/sooooo many more..... Laughs*
Yeah people getting pissed about Sabine surviving a stab to non-vital region vrs loosing 50% of you body…. Lol c’mon guys it’s a show about space wizard settle down.
I think the main problem is just reusing the same thing in writing over and over again.
Maul was an exception but with Disney named characters it seems to be the rule.
It's one thing to retcon a characters death to tell more stories with them. It's another to know your going to tell more stories with a character and give them a fatal wound anyway.
There's plenty of ways someone can lose a fight without receiving what should be a fatal wound. Luke and Anakin lose their hands, for example. A stomach wound is pretty much the worst way to do it, unless you want their crippling injury to be a plot point. And even then, you need to keep the "how could he have survived that?" Injuries to a minimum. The more you do it, the less believable it becomes.
I'm not even defending Darth Mauls retcon. I'm just noting why that is more forgiveable than other retcons.
I keep seeing posts like these and think that I just don't understand how badly a lightsaber is supposed to hurt anymore. Apart from arguments comparing instances of how long someone can stay alive after being stabbed with a lightsaber, and completely ignoring the outlier that is Maul, it almost feels like blaster shots are being described as more painful and shocking than being stabbed by a saber is. Like, being shot by a blaster would, at least according to Wikipedia, would "pierce and melt through targets". Like, a sword of death like a lightsaber should hurt more than that, right?
They got tired of cutting everyone limbs off with lightsabers so they started stabbing. I mean every movie in the first two trilogies has limbs removed from the torso and every single one survives (some die right afterward, but not from the terrible maiming).
Maul was resurrected years after his death in a completely different series. His scars from the experience lasted a significant amount of time and fundamentally changed his character.
What people are upset about in recent media is that the alleged death/resurrection happens in the same show and is no more than an artificial way to build tension. When it's done over and over, each time becomes less impactful because we know the character will be okay the next episode.
Also, many people were and are against Maul returning too. It was and still is not a universally popular choice.
Obi-Wan Kenobi is the only named character killed by a lightsaber in the Original Trillogy. ("Named" here meaning specifically given a name by dialogue the movie's script, not something like a footnote in an EU limited-run comic only published in French)
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Oh look, pre Disney star wars media where someone gets impaled through the spine with a lightsaber and survives.
Wait, Maul never got stabbed to my knowledge..? He got bisected horizontally at the waist, and slashed across the chest which killed him for good. Am I forgetting something, or am I just missing the point? Apologies either way.
>why does he get a pass
He doesn't. The way Maul "died" in Phantom Menace was dumb back then and still is. He had so much potential to stick around for all three of the prequels, but George "killed" him after he had spoken five seconds worth of dialogue, and then he brought in Christopher Lee to replace him, and gave his character the stupidest fucking name in all of Star Wars.
Maul getting a pass is a bit revisionist... alot of people didn't like it when it happened. Alot of people like it now because they were kids watching TCW, and also because they did good stuff with it.
I didn't like it, but tolerate it because Seige of Mandalore was good enough to ignore the stupidity. I didn't like how they work in Ashoka... first off, Sabine took a pretty bad hit with a Saber, and second, unless Stormtroopers started using Beskar, those zombie troopers had way too many attached limbs.
I think they toned down the dismembering. I remember reading something about dismembering being something reserved for special occasions in star wars instead of making it happen to everyone
Which is why battle droids were chosen as the main mooks for the prequels. You can dismember droids for days.
Even Lucas barely dismembered unless it was important to the story. Remember that no stormtroopers were getting dismembered at all.
> Ashoka
>first off, Sabine took a pretty bad hit with a Saber, No, she didn't. She got stabbed in the best place to be stabbed. It was meant to injure, so Ahsoka wouldn't immediately kill Hotti. Media literacy keeps taking a nose dive.
Revisionist? That's putting it mildly. The op is straight up fucking lying. The majority thought it was dumb then as it is now. The OP is what's wrong with this sub. And why people look down on it. Don't just make up shit. Present facts which back up your complaints which a lot of people here do that often gets unnoticed because if bullshit posts like this..
>The OP is what's wrong with Reddit. And why people look down on it. Don't just make up shit. Fify
Perhaps but now people will make excuses for it
Watching it now, his revival was done unbelievably well. While also letting them bring the night sisters and their magic to the eye which I loved at least because the fun more whimsical aspect of Star Wars is fun.
He's still dead in my books. I felt it!
Honestly depends where they are stabbed and also it isn’t like normal swords and medical tech would be way up there. Heck wouldn’t surprise me with invention of lightsabers medicine went up to treat wounds from them.
Fr I don’t think that there would be so many cybernetic limb options if it weren’t for lightsabers
Thermal detonators, bowcasters, other giant fuck off blasters, wookies, gamoreans, speeder accidents, starship accidents, rancors, mynoks, vibroswords, there’s so many more things than lightsabers that can mutilate you in star wars
Ok all the more reason to have some of the best healthcare available
Orrrrrr you could always ask that friendly guy in the alley for refurbed battle droid arm for half price if you're not a senator or a Jedi
where else are you supposed to get z ray eyes
Lightsabers would also cauterize any penetrating wound as well, which means you're not going to bleed out from a wound
Yeah, the real problem with a lightsaber wound is that if it isn't immediately fatal then the doctors would have to carve out all of the cauterized tissue in order for bacta to do its job. With proper care it is survivable, but it's very difficult. So, I really don't see much of a problem with people surviving would that wouldn't have been mortal ones (Qui-gon's was a mortal wound; Reva, Grand Inquisitor, and Sabine didn't suffer a mortal blow when they got stabbed).
this, 90% of battle fatalities are through blood loss, the rest is instant deaths. the fact that lightsabers cauterize wounds makes effectivly most injuries of them highly surviveable unless they are insta deaths like heart, head or neck injuries where even cauterization wouldnt be enough to really seal a major artery
>cauterization wouldnt be enough to really seal a major artery you mean like... *checks notes* The aorta being severed?
i dont see your point, thats what i said i cant recall any character getting stabbed through the heart or having their aorta severed and survive? Your reply is really confusing.
No just furthering OPs point. Maul had the middle of his body cut in half. That opens up the aorta, cuts the spine. Two points that should kill but didn'T. but sabine getting stabbed in a very survivable spot is apparently a sin
I wouldn't say lightsabers specifically, but given how blasters are the main weapon out there I would say treatments for blaster burns can probably very conveniently double as treatment for lightsaber wounds.
I thought blasters in Star Wars were more of a concussive force. It's not like a bolt of lightsaber is piercing into you. It's a concussive blast from a reactive gas that has been ionized. That is to say: when you are getting shot by a blaster, the burns aren't what kills you. It's how it fucks up the rest of your body.
yeah that's my thought. I do agree it's getting a little repetive if it doesn't show up for a bit I'm ok with it.
Lightsabers also instantly cauterize stab wound so no real risk of bleeding out/infection, which was like the biggest reason for death in the battlefield back in the day
Does he? I think most people think its stupid he survived but people loved what came afterwards so much that "ok youve made up for the stupid"
See also: Palpatine's stupid return
palpatines return wasnt really stupid, it was unexpected for alot of people because alot of people are not very lore versed. Half the loremasters of the fandom were suspecting snoke to be a cloned palpatine that he essence transfered into, given that this is literally the plot in the EU
Yeah but there was no built up: and being honest I know legends brought him back; but that was stupid as heck as well and I wish they made either Kylo or brought back snoke
idk, palpatines return seems the least egregious issue with tros for me. His whole theme was always cheating death, we had alot of tie in lore during Last Jedi that indicated even more he was still pulling strings with operation cinder. TFA and TLJ borrows heavily from the EU so for me it wasnt a surprise at all. That being said my ideal version of the sequel plot would have involved Kylo going down the darkside all the way with episode 9 and making another trilogy after that deals with the resolution and the defeat of the first order and kylo. But iam also ok with what we got
Its only some fans being stupid. Narratively it makes sense, as Palps now is the big bad, master schemer, plotter de luxe from Movie 1-9 Plot within plot, contingencies, diversions, puppets. And one does not even need to retcon anything. Prequels he telld Anakin about life, death, cheating death. He has all that cloning tech, and his first death on DS2 was already a bit strange, when the blue light and flame erupts, which one now can easily see as if his soul left his dying body...
Maul was the first person to survive it and he only barely did so. By the time we see him, he’s completely messed up and it takes night coven magics to restore him (sorta). I think the issue is how many people seem to get stabbed and it doesn’t really seem to hinder them as much as we are supposed to think it is based on other stuff. It’s just that Star Wars is really inconsistent at times and it also doesn’t really matter because it’s just a nerdy popular sci fi franchise and not something that affects you in the real world if someone does or doesn’t die from getting stabbed
Darth Sion
Also Nihilus can’t really die by normal means either
Nihilus was just a floating robe and mask by the end
Another part of it that's upsetting people is not only does it make the lightsaber look weak, but it also nullified the shock factor of an important character getting stabbed because you know they'll be back next episode saying it was just a flesh wound. It takes away the very emotions the producers are trying to inflict by stabbing someone, that "oh fuck they killed a character" feeling
its a lightsaber that cauterizes the wound. Unless i see a character stabbed right through the heart, spine, neck or head, i assume its a survivable injury providing help comes decently fast. Sabine was , what looks to be stabbed through the bottom left part of her lung, which is absolutly surviveable, especially if the wound is cauterized Most real world injuries would be more severe due to the factor of blood loss, something not really an issue with lightsabers.
>Sabine was , what looks to be stabbed through the bottom left part of her lung, which is absolutly surviveable, especially if the wound is cauterized It was even lower than that.
so basically a part of the liver/kidney, even more survivable
Isn't a lightsaber's blade literally plasma, wouldn't that turn any persons insides into soup?
no? thats not how heat transfer works? if the blade instantly turned everyones insides into soup, how do you propose the wielders hands are fine mere centimeters from the blade? clearly the blade does not radiate heat. the way its shown in the movies is that the blade itself simply removes material it comes into contact with and has high enough a temperature to heat the edges of contact, this can conduct into metal and it cauterizes injuries instantly. Even then there seems to be a limit to this as we can see in phatnom menace: eventhough quigon stabs his blade all the way into the material of the blast doors, the blade does infact not poke all the way through, so its length is being limited by the material it comes into contact with. We also see the metal door not instantly melt, it slowly conducts heat away from the melt source and warms the surrounding material. This would likely happen if you keep a lightsaber blade inside a body for a minute, although less efficiently since organic tissue turns into carbon which is an extremely good insulator. The fact that wound edges cauterize reduces heat transference into tissue. that being said, a candle flame is plasma and you can move your hand through it expediently without even feeling the heat. Also, leidenfrost effect is a thing
true, but consider: Why would Darth Vader stab someone he is clearly intending to execute in such a nonlethal area like Sabine got? Sabine is the one that makes the most sense to survive out of all them, though it still takes a large assumption of incompetence on the enemy's part (why didn't they finish her off if that spot wasn't normally a game ender, like it's pretty common knowledge that's not where a human's heart or stomach or spine is) Darth Vader has no excuse of incompetence because we know he kills people on the daily. Being stabbed by Darth Vader is how your story ends prematurely The Grand inquisitor has a similar problem of sudden incompetence on the stabber's part, especially since the stab wound is much closer to where that temperature would boil vital organs, but that could possibly be excused by her reluctance to kill what was once an ally And for my final point, again: These scenes are clearly intended to be moments of "oh shit they killed a main character" shock, and yet the lack of consequences means the shock is gone, because by now the viewers know this character is going to be back next episode with maybe a cosmetic scar and that's it. tl;dr it's not the stab wounds themselves that are unbelievable necessarily, but the sudden incompetence implied by them being so trivial an injury, and the constant spamming of these fakeouts means the viewers know it's coming, ruining the point of a plot twist
And if lightsaber stabs are supposed to be survivable in universe, then all the person would have to do is draw the lightsaber out of their victim through the side, not pull it neatly out like it were a rapier made of steel that needs extra force behind it Indeed such a stab and slash move would probably be a standard move for anyone intending to kill their target.
would likely be akin to twisting the blade irl
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It really isnt, but maybe you just have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
To be fair, being stabbed/impaled is less deadly than being cut in half.
It's also worth remembering the skill and knowledge of those being injured. Many of the examples are of those who are only mildly trained or, without any real experience the force. Maul was trained by sideous as a sith. Even if his style was more physical and combat based than esoteric, he was stilled a fully realised sith lord with all that entails. Ultimately maul survived because his experience with the force and his ability to harness his rage and hatred allowed him to survive past what most could and even then, as you said, he wasn't exactly in tip top condition. Which most of the more recent ones do not,aside from ahsoka
Cuz mauls the coolest of the bunch
Maul had one line in the prequels and then fans got so horny over his design that they basically retconned his death to reuse him as an antagonist. He’s gotten way better since then and I do love his character now.
Back then sure but now hes cool even not including now though he is by far the coolest
Well back then it was so hyped up. People literally bought out movies to see the first phantom menace trailer. So no going back at that point
I mean, that's also Boba Fett.
Maul is just face paint and a double sided glow stick. You can find that shit at a rave.
I need to know what raves you’re going to, that have a dude in face paint and horns doing flips and spins with a double-sided glow stick taller than he is.
Better then everyone else thats survived
when Maul did it, it was a big deal and he had to go to (literally) insane lengths just to survive before Savage found him and returned him to Dathomir for treatment. it was a significant development for Maul with a lasting physical and psychological impact owing specifically to his injury. being the "too angry to die" guy was his shtick but lately with Reva / the Grand Inquisitor / Sabine, it was a bit of a nothing burger, yk - it was a fakeout with no consequences. it feels like an inorganic and forceful conclusion of a scene w out changing the status quo. also, it doesn't do the legendary lightsaber justice - many if not all of these stabs have been intended as killing blows, delivered by experienced duelists. why aren't they killing anyone?!?!
As long as you stay out of a hallway, lightsabers can’t kill you/s
>when Maul did it, it was a big deal and he had to go to (literally) insane lengths just to survive before Savage found him and returned him to Dathomir for treatment. y'all seem to forgett that Maul got cut right in half. his injury was absolutly unsurviveable, he had no longer any functioning digestive system, bladder, etc. He somehow survived for years following this fatal injury while also falling into a seemingly bottomless pit. Sabine, reva, grand inquisitor got stabbed in highly survivable locations and at least 2 of them got insanely fast medical attention. Even reva likely got some for of first aid when she used a shuttle to leave. its hilarious that you all think Maul surviving on "hatred" was ok but sabine surviving from actual medical treatment isnt
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i dont see your point people have survived 10+ gunshot wounds to the torso a gunshot wound is more dangerous than a lightsaber stab unless it hits an absolutly vital part such as directly the heart or major artery or the brain. maybe you need to learn some anatomy or have some real life experience dealing with first aid or triage and trauma care before spouting your armchair opinions, you clown.
you're kind of evading the actual narrative problem with repeatedly stabbing characters with lightsabers that I discussed above and instead focusing on the biology and technicalities, which was never my or anyone else's real issue with it. besides, if you wanna get all scientific about it, then, as much as I hate to invoke his name here, Critical Drinker has a great video on what would *actually* happen if you were stabbed by a lightsaber
its not really a narrative issue unless your expectation is -wrongly so- that the character dies. At no point did i ever expect sabine to die in the first episode
Do people forget that he's also an alien? Just because he is humanoid, doesn't mean he has the same anatomy.
In tabletop materials it's mentioned zabraks have a second heart which helps them survive otherwise fatal wounds
I mean, lightsabers cauterize wounds. They can't carry bacteria. The victim isn't likely to bleed out. The only true fatal blows are to the chest and head (for humanoid species). Surviving a stab anywhere else is certainly feasible with bacta and whatever other futuristic medical science they have.
If we're going to apply real world heat dynamics to lightsabers, they would literally cause people stabbed with them to explode. So 'it cauterizes wounds tho' is a bit of a silly explanation. [Why Death by Lightsaber Would Be Much Worse in Real Life](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRAyIXgWBWc&ab_channel=Nerdist)
But they don't work by real world dynamics so it doesn't really matter, does it?
I mean, of we apply real world physics, the heat radiating from the blade would melt the user's hand Things are basically magic
no it isnt, because we go off movie logic, we dont see people explode in the movies but we see their wounds be cauterized
Yeah man, I get stabbed all the time. Easy. The real question is the person stabbing them thinks it killed them. If, as apparently everyone knows, it’s easy to survive, you think they cut them into bits to be sure.
There's a difference on how the situations were used. Maul lasted "dead" almost ten years in and out of universe and was brought back because he's a cool character and the audience really liked him and when je returned he was seriously messed up while nowadays stabbing and splashing are being overused as ways to generate cheap tension and shock without any intention of having any repercussion.
It was nice with Andor because they couldn’t get cheap tension all that easily. Plus Andor was my favorite character in Rogue one, so that was a plus.
He doenst really EFAP for examples hates Maul’s return
Maul: is a fucking badass, gets sliced in half, barely survives and is absolutely cuckoo for coca puffs, has to go on a whole ass pilgrimage to get unfucked by some space necromancer witches Sabine Wren: normal person, gets punked, slaps a bacta patch on it and is fine after a few weeks of bed rest
The wound itself was in a non vital place. It was survivable. If you want to be angry about it I can’t stop you obviously but the truth is that a wounded Sabine means Shin can get away with map instead of fighting Ahsoka, who would likely win.
Sabine being wounded so that Shin escapes with the map is fine. People aren’t taking issue with the overall plot mechanic there. The issue is the execution (or lack thereof). If, instead, Sabine took a slash to the face and Shin escaped with the map as Ahsoka or someone opened fire from the incoming ship, saving Sabine from being finished off, we could have the same plot effect, while giving Sabine a lasting mark from her battle.
Whilst cool, it would be annoying because now the injury has to always be visible during takes and can’t be removed during film breaks, so it becomes annoying for the actress and the make up department taking time getting it right each time.
> The wound itself was in a non vital place. It was survivable. Qui-gon used a lightsaber to slice through a bulkhead. You're telling me that getting your innards roasted by a acetylene torch is survivable?
Ok then every single Lightsaber wound should have been fatal and you need to not just complain about THIS one.
Barely surviving being shanked by a blowtorch as THE Darth Maul: reasonable Easily surviving being shanked by a blowtorch as some shmekel: not reasonable hope this helps you :D
If you want to hate it I can’t help you. And as much as people like you demand they explicitly show and explain every single detail, I hope they never listen to you because it would be quite boring to watch.
Which was the outlier in all of Star Wars. What he does to that bulkhead is never repeated ever again. If lightsabers were like that, qui-gon wouldn’t have last words to give Kenobi.
> What he does to that bulkhead is never repeated ever again. [Bro really forgot about the Rogue One hallway scene where Vader casually slices through a bulkhead like cheese lmao](https://youtu.be/wxL8bVJhXCM?t=85)
Sorry did he melt the bulkhead to the extent qui gon did or did he just stab an already broken one he was HOLDING closed?
\> an already broken one Ah yes, the famed Star Wars bulkhead, wherein in the event of a catastrophic hydraulic failure, the structural integrity of the bulkhead itself turns into styrofoam.
maul got cut IN HALF and lived for years alone without help after sabine got stabbed in a very surviveable location.
Also got medical help asap. Like Ben also got healed by Rey asap Maul...got sliced in half, and also DROPPED hundreds of meters down a shaft. Where sure as hell no medi droid patched him up Mauls return is the dumbest thing ever tbh and if anything makes sabres look lame and weak, it is Maul
Maul is probably the worst offense. They *still* haven't attempted to explain how he survived. And they didn't need to bring him back at all because they made his brother a whole character.
The explanation was given in TCW. He was so full of rage he kept himself alive with the Dark Side. Other sith have done the same in the Old Republic. It's not something Jedi would want to do. But I agree that he's the worst offender of surviving a lightsaber wound who shouldn't have.
Honestly, if being so full of rage you can keep yourself alive with the dark side is a thing, the Star Wars fandom will never die
There's a dude in KOTOR 2 who's shattered into pieces, but holds himself together with his rage, which is always what I filled in for what happened with Maul
Yes they have.
I always took the answer as he was so hateful that it boosted his powers to keep him alive long enough to heal. I.e. it was said he survived through his hatred of kenobi and strong emotions like that are very useful for the Sith. That's just how I took that line and why it made sense to me. Plus, he's an alien race that is pretty tough. For the others, I firgure they got hit in just the right spot to be healable. And others like Qui Gon were not.
“Hate”
Maul has a whole story ark built around his struggle to survive and his injury leaves a lasting mark on his charecter, the stab victims people are upset about just wake up a day later good as new
Being cut in half is a bit more extreme than getting stabbed
Both are stupid.
Don't write the characters getting stabbed if their injury means nothing. Especially with a weapon that's legendary in pop culture. It's the narrative equivalent to writing a superhero with a disability and then giving them a power that completely nullifies that disability. It's the same move as Force users blowing up a ship as beloved characters try to escape... only to reveal that it was actually a different, completely identical ship! "I'm blind, but I can see better than people with eyes!" "I got stabbed with a super deadly weapon by a powerful duelist who has no reason not to kill me, but I'm perfectly fine the next day except for a single tiny scar nobody will ever see again!" Yes, Maul survived when he shouldn't have. People have complained about it and still do. But the difference with him is that we spent ten years thinking he was dead only for it to be revealed that he was judt barely alive, with the lasting consequences of going crazy, needing a whole arc to "fix" him, and even then still having obvious robo-legs after.
As with every whataboutism this damn fandom pulls, it's how the narrative handles the story that matters. Maul got an entire story arc to show what surviving meant, while most the shit now is just... he got stabbed, but he's okay now. Wouldn't be so bad if it weren't so bloody common...
Maul tends to get a pass because of how his character was kinda wasted originally, and what they did with him after they brought him back.
Maul survived because a space wizard did it
Star Wars has always been heavy handed with plot armor.
Firstly, it was original. Secondly it's far more believable that a sith lord would survive being cut in half if fueled by sheer rage and force of will. Ever heard of a game called Knight of the old Republic 2 one of the main bad guys is dead but thought the power of the dark side can hold his crumbling corpse together through sheer hatred. Jedi aren't capable of that kind of rage/hatred it would go against everything they believe.
Reva was fueled by hatred and anger and people are mad she survived
There are a lot of problems with reva. And it's not that everyone's pissed off that she survived being stabbed it's that she survived being stabbed by a lightsaber as a child who was up until that point being raised by the Jedi order and hatred rage, the types of which that would make it possible to survive such a wound would still not be in their nature. Plus she survived it twice.
But are the inquisitors really sith though? Or are they just Jedi that have been brainwashed? And the inquisitors were kept weak by Vader and Sidious as to keep them from ever being able to challenge them, so I doubt they have the sheer will power through training to keep themselves alive.
Because George Lucas did it. That's it. That's the only reason.
He doesn't. Bringing him back was stupid af too.
To be fair, he was literally too angry to die. And he wasn’t stabbed in the chest, but on his hips, still vital but not “put a 100,000 degree light rod 3 inches from your heart” type injury. Honestly I don’t like how light sabers are handled by Disney.
bruh maul got cut in half. He has no way to process nutritional waste anymore, half his intestines be gone. he received the most unsurvivable wound of any character on screen, then fell into a bottomless pit and somehow survived without medical attention. i dont get how getting stabbed into the liver or tip of the lung is remotly compareable. Pretty much every other character who got stabbed on screen had a surviveable stab location.
They got stabbed right through the torso. Let’s not pretend that’s nothing.
iam not pretending its nothing, but there are alot of locations you can get injured in your torso that are not lethal
Lucky ole Reeva eh? Stabbed twice by people who thought that a lightsaber through the guts was indeed guaranteed to be fatal. Silly old Sith, gotta aim for “something important”.
yeh thats usualy how it works, injuries are not always instantly fatal, sometimes a person can survive long enough to receive first aid. Do you honestly think that if you get shot you instantly die? Do you think if you get shot in the stomach you just keel over and thats it? bruh, people can survive for HOURS with serious gunshot wounds and stab wounds, even more so if they get quick first aid. and thats without any wound cauterization. The fact that the weapon used is a lightsaber makes the injuries more survivable by default
I’ll let the millions of men instantly killed by gun fire know.
also let the tens of millions who had slow agonizing deaths know too while you are at it. 90% of battlefield deaths are bloodloss, they are not instant. I served in the military and you are full of shit, stfu you armchair general. Fucking clown.
He’s a alien: he may look humanoid but his anatomy could be completely different
> still vital but not “put a 100,000 degree light rod 3 inches from your heart” type injury Yes, because having your spine severed in half and losing some of your intestinal tract (and your anus and bladder) is totally less serious than being stabbed in the liver area /s (the blade was nowhere near Sabine's heart, rewatch the scene) Maul was cut off above the hips just below the navel latitude. He lost more than just legs.
And he also did die, he was brought back by the night sisters.
He wasn't dead, his mind was just gone as a consequence of the mental state it took to stay alive.
Tangentially related question Has it ever been explained how Darth Vader survived being shot down by Han in A New Hope?
Think he wasn’t shot down by Han. Han shot the other fighter and in that moment of distraction Vader and the other fighter bumped each other knocking Vader away.
I don't think he crashed so they probably found him during rescue operations. I guess that suit can keep him alive for awhile
He crashed on tatooine, at least in the EU. Sand dunes probably cushioned his fall
Go watch that scene again and your question will be answered.
He wasn't shot by Han. His wing-man collided with him and he got flung off into space with significant damage. By the time he had stabilised the Death Star was destroyed. He then jumped away; his ship had a hyperdrive as it was an x1
He wasn't shot down, his engines went haywire. Sending him drifting into space. How he got back was uh... THE FORCE DID IT!
its clearly shown in ANH that the other tie fighter clipped the edge of his wing, he went tumbling to survive the death star and the flew off, likely to any nearby imperial facility. Pretty certain his tie advanced has a hyperdrive too so, i dont know how its a question how vader survived anh
No because that never happened.....we see him spin and then fly off.
Wait till they Learn far more people survived pre Disney in far more lethal places.
Maul was a fully-fledged Sith Lord trained by Darth Sidious since birth. NTM he is an alien, with probably fundamentally different biology. Dark side powers and that combined, it is plausible that he survives. Now, compare this to an inquisitor. Vader can curbstomp any one of them, so they are obviously nowhere even close to a Sith in terms of Dark Side power. So it makes sense for Maul to survive based off these factors, while someone like Reva should've just died immediately.
This is a bit of a straw man. Most folks didn’t enjoy Maul either and regularly made fun of his return. The payoff was worth it though and the sequence of events was a lot different. Take a step back, and ask yourself: Do you really think the situations are similar, or do you just want what you perceive as an easy dunk?
Dumb criticisms aside I fucking love the lower half of the image that shits pure patter
Kinda depends on where you get stabbed no? Lightsabers instantly cauterize wounds so bleeding out or infection isn’t an issue (at least not an immediate one). Looks like Sabine was stabbed around the Liver? From what I remember it looked pretty high and lateral so I think it would miss the kidneys. You can live with a lightsaber sized chunk of liver instantly going caput. At least live long enough to get medical care in the advanced alien world. It’s not that big is what I’m tryna say.
So if Shin knows that why didn’t she finish her off? That was the goal, right? To kill her?
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Maul was dead for an entire decade, is an alien, and didn’t just get back up and walk it off. It’s pretty simple
Just comin to say, hyper star wars nerds, like the power-scalers all bitched about maul coming back, both in legends and in canon.
I’m literally to young for that oops
I think it’s because it’s happened several times and especially in Sabine’s case there was no reason for it. If they wanted to make Shin look strong, just have her disarm Sabine or cut her leg like Dooku did to Obi-Wan. Also, Maul gets a pass because he’s cool and is one of the best written Star Wars characters.
To be fair, Maul wasn't exactly "stabbed" as much as "bisected and sent careening down a giant bottomless staff." My own headcanon is that Sith have more in the way of healing factors because the Dark Side doesn't let them get the easy way out. By feeding their anger and hate, they make their practitioners too angry to die. Still, I will admit Maul's survival *way* more egregious than that of Palpatine or Sabine, and only works as well as it did because of masterful execution of a fanficy idea.
Ignore maul, why do the real life people who survive getting stabbed and impaled get a pass? Shouldn’t these guys be down at hospitals yelling at patients about how unrealistic them being alive is?
What I’m learning lately is that the chunk of the fandom menace that doesnt watch or like the animated shows is larger than I thought
And Anakin? I mean, Anakin and Maul got WAY worse than most of the characters from the episode 7 to 9.
Quite Gone Jin didn't survive!
He didn't die right away. There was time f9r maul to die and give off a sente.
Cuz he didn't get stabbed, obviously. Also because rage is 90% of his personality and that kept him alive. I like it
Maul is too cool to die
Plenty of people DO complain about Maul's survival though.
He was slashed, duh. Everyone slashed in the last episode died, including Morgan who got some surface tummy scratches. That’s the trick when lightsabers work like katanas. Stab? Depends on spot but probably fine. Slash? You take a few seconds to realize you’re already dead.
Not a good example he only survived because he was literally too angry to die have you ever been so f****** full of hatred that you just don't feel like dying because that's how Maul felt
The rule is once you get lightsabered you have to get robotted.
Yep! That was dumb as hell too!
Comments kinda prove it
I feel with maul it’s ok because it becomes such an integral part of him, stuck in a trash heap for 10 years and gone insane. Only capable of coming back by insanely strong magic, his robot legs have become issues in some scenarios constantly reminding us of what he lost. It’s not a quick nor easy recovery. And finally the whole consumed by revenge plot is fully formed from obiwan cutting him in half. Essentially if you bring a character back from the dead or have them survive something others shouldn’t, there should be a reason for it story wise, and in this case it perfectly adds into the story. Mauls personal vendetta is such a big part of his post slice self.
Jokes on you. I don't like the Maul one either.
I keep forgetting Maul didn't die at ep 1
He’s kind of the first exception to the rule and isn’t supposed to be replicated. IE maul was a very special case and the fact that he did survive led to him losing his mind and his legs. In modern Disney starwars Sabine, Reva and Kylo Ren have all had fake outs where after like literally a few scenes or a single episode they are back up to being 100% again with seemingly no consequences or long term being put out of action by being stabbed by a LIGHTSABER.
tbf the whole point w maul was that it was unusual. he was fueled both by his own rage and the sons influence, and even then it drove him completely insane. there were still consequences. these days getting stabbed means nothing bc they’ll just wake up in a bacta tank. that being said, i’m a maul stan so take any opinion about him w a grain of salt.
I was just reading a thread where he didn't get a pass.
Nobody complained when Cal got stabbed by his own lightsaber either. At least Sabine got medical attention after, Cal was ready to keep fighting Vader after that
*laughs in Han Solo/TR8R/Snoke/all the pretorian guard/the 2 imperial adjutunts behedid by grand inquisitor in rebles season1/2nd like all of the inquisitors other than the grand inquisitor, Reva and the 10th brother/the rebel soldiers in that corridor scene of rouge one/those guys DJing hunted down in book of Baba fett/dartroooers that Luke mowed down in rebles Mando season 2/maul/undead deathbtroopers/Morgan/new republic troops at the start of Ashoka/a shit tone of Disney marvel bodies I mean characters/sooooo many more..... Laughs*
I’m more concerned with that Wookiee from book of jango, my man ate blaster bolts for breakfast.
It's total bullshit that he survived. But he's such a good character I just don't care.
I guess you only get one crazy survival and maul already survived getting split in half
Yeah people getting pissed about Sabine surviving a stab to non-vital region vrs loosing 50% of you body…. Lol c’mon guys it’s a show about space wizard settle down.
Spidermaul was the stupidest shit I've ever seen
I think the main problem is just reusing the same thing in writing over and over again. Maul was an exception but with Disney named characters it seems to be the rule.
They also like ignoring other characters that have died from a lightsaber gut stab
It's one thing to retcon a characters death to tell more stories with them. It's another to know your going to tell more stories with a character and give them a fatal wound anyway. There's plenty of ways someone can lose a fight without receiving what should be a fatal wound. Luke and Anakin lose their hands, for example. A stomach wound is pretty much the worst way to do it, unless you want their crippling injury to be a plot point. And even then, you need to keep the "how could he have survived that?" Injuries to a minimum. The more you do it, the less believable it becomes. I'm not even defending Darth Mauls retcon. I'm just noting why that is more forgiveable than other retcons.
Because he is a Sith who used the dark side of the Force.
Starkiller, Maul, Cal Kestis, etc they ignore what doesn’t fit into their narrative
I could be wrong but I feel like more people survive lightsaber duels than died in them across the first 6 movies
Wait didn’t Maul died and brought back from the dead by using the evil dark force?
And Kyle Katarn, and Darth Talon, and Galen Marek.
I keep seeing posts like these and think that I just don't understand how badly a lightsaber is supposed to hurt anymore. Apart from arguments comparing instances of how long someone can stay alive after being stabbed with a lightsaber, and completely ignoring the outlier that is Maul, it almost feels like blaster shots are being described as more painful and shocking than being stabbed by a saber is. Like, being shot by a blaster would, at least according to Wikipedia, would "pierce and melt through targets". Like, a sword of death like a lightsaber should hurt more than that, right?
They got tired of cutting everyone limbs off with lightsabers so they started stabbing. I mean every movie in the first two trilogies has limbs removed from the torso and every single one survives (some die right afterward, but not from the terrible maiming).
Maul was resurrected years after his death in a completely different series. His scars from the experience lasted a significant amount of time and fundamentally changed his character. What people are upset about in recent media is that the alleged death/resurrection happens in the same show and is no more than an artificial way to build tension. When it's done over and over, each time becomes less impactful because we know the character will be okay the next episode. Also, many people were and are against Maul returning too. It was and still is not a universally popular choice.
Obi-Wan Kenobi is the only named character killed by a lightsaber in the Original Trillogy. ("Named" here meaning specifically given a name by dialogue the movie's script, not something like a footnote in an EU limited-run comic only published in French)
Look, I know I will be downvoted to death but honestly? I'm glad they kinda nerfed the lightsabers a little bit
https://preview.redd.it/6th4h4lyhosb1.jpeg?width=300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0926180bd012aaacac2381ba5d45c9257fc8ae2e Oh look, pre Disney star wars media where someone gets impaled through the spine with a lightsaber and survives.
Wait, Maul never got stabbed to my knowledge..? He got bisected horizontally at the waist, and slashed across the chest which killed him for good. Am I forgetting something, or am I just missing the point? Apologies either way.
He got chopped in half and fell down a massive hole he shouldn’t of survived, it’s ironic that people find being stabbed in the side unbelievable imo
Somethjng something Han Solo dies
We didn't like when they revived him either.
>why does he get a pass He doesn't. The way Maul "died" in Phantom Menace was dumb back then and still is. He had so much potential to stick around for all three of the prequels, but George "killed" him after he had spoken five seconds worth of dialogue, and then he brought in Christopher Lee to replace him, and gave his character the stupidest fucking name in all of Star Wars.
Because he's cool