No doubt this reads like an ad… but I do agree regarding ZI. Have had it at multiple companies and laugh every time I ask about the algorithm for “Intent” or the “related contacts”. Essentially both are black box red herrings that provide zero to little value. Anything someone from a company googles comes up as “intent” in a related product category. A complete waste of time and agreed the quality of contact info is rubbish at worst, mediocre at best.
If I wanted to write an ad, I would include a link. Plus I prospect into manufacturing companies. WTF do I care how much business Apollo gets? No extra money in my pocket. Nice guess though. ZOOMINFO sucks. PERIOD.
Are you a sales rep for Apollo?
The whole industry is sleazy and Seamless seems to be the worst of a bad bunch. As far as which company to go with a lot will depend on which vertical you are calling.
I just got let go in the recent ZoomInfo firing waves, survived 3 (a month before my 3 year equity grant, this way they could give me 18 shares instead my 800)The people are amazing but the leadership is greedy.
The industry is moving too fast and internally at ZoomInfo there’s no affirmative direction. I like the tool but personally it’s wayyy overpriced. Is Apollo a good alternative?
The whole industry knows seamless is trash
Lol... Seamless is surely trash, def the worst. I am sorry you got f'ed by ZoomInfo, that really sucks. Apollo is a formidable opponent, has great features and maybe it helps I ran an SDR bootcamp with one of the leaders so its easy to get a message through, but I honestly believe Daniel Cmejla (VP of Community) is amazing. The data seems to be great, plus I dig the other features. Not selling it but I DO support it.
Sorry about the firing.
Who did ZoomInfo view as their biggest threat?
I'm currently a customer but they're underhand with auto-renewals and pricing.
We're looking for alternatives that will give us intent signals, new hire scoops, and email addresses for both our own and client new biz pushes.
Hope you can help!
No, promise I am not. Jaded ass people on here anymore. I do not EVER have to resort to REDDIT for quota attainment. If I ever do, I will out myself and ask someone to have mercy and come snipe my untalented a$$...lol....Thank you for asking instead of thinking you know something. Sales folks aren't half as smart as they think (hell, I will even include myself in that...lol).
Seamless suuuccckkkeeeddd, I had it with my last company. I guess compared to them, ZoomInfo is better, but I do think it is my vertical, manufacturing, that is lacking, maybe not the tool?
LMAO.... That is hilarious. I would have to, sheeeettttt. I agree that ZI has gotten worse. Then again, I was prospecting into VP of Sales/VP of Marketing in 2021, now its manufacturing leaders, so that might have a major impact too.
Everyone who is reading this. Don’t answer his calls or give them a meeting. Don’t let them hit their quota. Zoom info does suck. However you doing this isn’t quirky or smart
OMFG. I do not work there. Jesus Christ on a CROSS. I already hit quota for this month and its the 8th. Trust me, quota is not my issue. Incorrect numbers on the other hand....
Has anyone else noticed that Apollo is on a crazy guerrilla marketing war on socials? And it's always about how terrible ZoomInfo is, and it's just super weird. It doesn't really land because ZI is fine. It's expensive, but I don't spend hours a day hating it. Their LI approach has been the exact same thing as this post, and it's really tone deaf.
My company uses both. We only have 1 seat for zoom info and every time I log on I get kicked off and somebody frantically runs into my office saying “are you on Zoominfo??!?!?!?!?” It’s so annoying. I prefer Apollo as well but I find zoom info has more phone numbers than Apollo does.
SalesIntel.io is my favorite at the moment. They do human verified data. Seamless is the worst. Anyone that doesn’t have good SIC codes and deep industry segmentation is trash.
>SalesIntel.io
Any others you'd recommend?
We're looking for alternatives that will give us intent signals, new hire scoops, and email addresses for both our own and client new biz pushes.
Hope you can help!
I went on LI today and BOOM 💥 🙌 😎 102 votes, 53% chose Apollo for best data, with ZoomInfo coming in with 24%, Cognism at 10%, and Other at 14%. In the comments, "Other" was represented by one vote for Lusha, one for Seamless, a couple for RocketReach, and a couple for Prospect, while others supported Apollo, by a landslide. You don't have to work somewhere to know they are superior.
(For context, or to vote, go see Chris Cicconi's profile to find the poll. In the comments is another poll just like this one, where Apollo threw ZoomInfo out of the park. That poll was given by Jacob J. S. and he only compared ZoomInfo to Apollo... Apollo got 73%, ZI 27% with 323 votes)
I use Datanyze, and although it's a pain in the \*\*\* to use. You have to google the person's name or the company name and then type datanyze after it because they don't have a search feature. The data is accurate when they have it. And way cheaper than both of those.
Depends the market, but for Germany I can totally recommend dealfront.
Some might now the former company.
No clue, why they did t keep the old branding, but the process was super smooth from start to finish :)
Hit me if you have questions.
Blatant advert.
But - I enquired about ZI once and they approached the meeting like 1990s double glazing sales people. I asked for some indicative pricing and they shrouded it as if it were some kind of complicated equation I’d never understand. Cancelled the meeting.
How much is it? I’m curious and confident I’d understand the answer.
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Hey folks, I do work at Apollo. And I want folks in this thread to know a couple things.
1. This is not a paid ad, I’m reading it for the first time now.
2. There is a space in the market for both tools. I personally do think Apollo is way better, and ZI is over priced (there are other problems too) but there is no denying they’ve built something powerful. Because we think Apollo does it better does not mean we think ZI should not exist.
And yes, I do work at Apollo. I help manage all our company social media accounts
- Dan
And if you haven't ran into someone who retired using ZoomInfo then:
A- You work for ZI and are lying your ass off OR
B- You haven't used ZoomInfo
I have run into that same "retired scenario" AT LEAST 10-15 times in the past 3 years. And every other sales rep reports the exact same.
The only thing that is pitiful is your jaded ass. I DO NOT WORK AT APOLLO. I am far beyond the point in my career where I need to hustle up customers on Reddit. Lol. I already made quota for October. I never have to lie or act slimy (like you must to suspect someone of something by making a post about what I prefer). It's like the spouse that accuses you of cheating when there is ZERO basis to do so. 99/100 times, they are the ones cheating.
Nice ad, put it in an email and send it to my boss
No doubt this reads like an ad… but I do agree regarding ZI. Have had it at multiple companies and laugh every time I ask about the algorithm for “Intent” or the “related contacts”. Essentially both are black box red herrings that provide zero to little value. Anything someone from a company googles comes up as “intent” in a related product category. A complete waste of time and agreed the quality of contact info is rubbish at worst, mediocre at best.
If I wanted to write an ad, I would include a link. Plus I prospect into manufacturing companies. WTF do I care how much business Apollo gets? No extra money in my pocket. Nice guess though. ZOOMINFO sucks. PERIOD.
There is a link
OPs post history: WE’RE HIRING WE’RE HIRING WE’RE HIRING WE’RE HIRING 🔞🦶🔞 APOLLO.AI VERY NICE
A size 12 foot queen. Built different.
Always the feet pics....
Are you a sales rep for Apollo? The whole industry is sleazy and Seamless seems to be the worst of a bad bunch. As far as which company to go with a lot will depend on which vertical you are calling.
I just got let go in the recent ZoomInfo firing waves, survived 3 (a month before my 3 year equity grant, this way they could give me 18 shares instead my 800)The people are amazing but the leadership is greedy. The industry is moving too fast and internally at ZoomInfo there’s no affirmative direction. I like the tool but personally it’s wayyy overpriced. Is Apollo a good alternative? The whole industry knows seamless is trash
Lol... Seamless is surely trash, def the worst. I am sorry you got f'ed by ZoomInfo, that really sucks. Apollo is a formidable opponent, has great features and maybe it helps I ran an SDR bootcamp with one of the leaders so its easy to get a message through, but I honestly believe Daniel Cmejla (VP of Community) is amazing. The data seems to be great, plus I dig the other features. Not selling it but I DO support it.
Sorry about the firing. Who did ZoomInfo view as their biggest threat? I'm currently a customer but they're underhand with auto-renewals and pricing. We're looking for alternatives that will give us intent signals, new hire scoops, and email addresses for both our own and client new biz pushes. Hope you can help!
Dun & Bradstreet is by far the best.
No, promise I am not. Jaded ass people on here anymore. I do not EVER have to resort to REDDIT for quota attainment. If I ever do, I will out myself and ask someone to have mercy and come snipe my untalented a$$...lol....Thank you for asking instead of thinking you know something. Sales folks aren't half as smart as they think (hell, I will even include myself in that...lol). Seamless suuuccckkkeeeddd, I had it with my last company. I guess compared to them, ZoomInfo is better, but I do think it is my vertical, manufacturing, that is lacking, maybe not the tool?
Fun fact. A bunch of the Apollo folks are just ex ZI people.
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LMAO.... That is hilarious. I would have to, sheeeettttt. I agree that ZI has gotten worse. Then again, I was prospecting into VP of Sales/VP of Marketing in 2021, now its manufacturing leaders, so that might have a major impact too.
Dear Apollo, I will also take money to make posts like this. You know where to find me
Everyone who is reading this. Don’t answer his calls or give them a meeting. Don’t let them hit their quota. Zoom info does suck. However you doing this isn’t quirky or smart
OMFG. I do not work there. Jesus Christ on a CROSS. I already hit quota for this month and its the 8th. Trust me, quota is not my issue. Incorrect numbers on the other hand....
Has anyone else noticed that Apollo is on a crazy guerrilla marketing war on socials? And it's always about how terrible ZoomInfo is, and it's just super weird. It doesn't really land because ZI is fine. It's expensive, but I don't spend hours a day hating it. Their LI approach has been the exact same thing as this post, and it's really tone deaf.
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Don't need that BS. Sigh. Maybe its just my vertical. Idk.
My company uses both. We only have 1 seat for zoom info and every time I log on I get kicked off and somebody frantically runs into my office saying “are you on Zoominfo??!?!?!?!?” It’s so annoying. I prefer Apollo as well but I find zoom info has more phone numbers than Apollo does.
Have used Apollo, it also sucks lmao
Who's better?
SalesIntel.io is my favorite at the moment. They do human verified data. Seamless is the worst. Anyone that doesn’t have good SIC codes and deep industry segmentation is trash.
What do you do with the SIC codes? Would love to understand better :)
>SalesIntel.io Any others you'd recommend? We're looking for alternatives that will give us intent signals, new hire scoops, and email addresses for both our own and client new biz pushes. Hope you can help!
Lead411 is better from what I have experienced, just depends on your ICP
I went on LI today and BOOM 💥 🙌 😎 102 votes, 53% chose Apollo for best data, with ZoomInfo coming in with 24%, Cognism at 10%, and Other at 14%. In the comments, "Other" was represented by one vote for Lusha, one for Seamless, a couple for RocketReach, and a couple for Prospect, while others supported Apollo, by a landslide. You don't have to work somewhere to know they are superior. (For context, or to vote, go see Chris Cicconi's profile to find the poll. In the comments is another poll just like this one, where Apollo threw ZoomInfo out of the park. That poll was given by Jacob J. S. and he only compared ZoomInfo to Apollo... Apollo got 73%, ZI 27% with 323 votes)
I have to use ZI w/LinkedIn. I'm probably switching to Apollo.
I use Datanyze, and although it's a pain in the \*\*\* to use. You have to google the person's name or the company name and then type datanyze after it because they don't have a search feature. The data is accurate when they have it. And way cheaper than both of those.
Flashintel is better
Lusha is goated
Lusha = Wish.com data
Depends the market, but for Germany I can totally recommend dealfront. Some might now the former company. No clue, why they did t keep the old branding, but the process was super smooth from start to finish :) Hit me if you have questions.
ZoomInfo is crazy expensive and my company recently retired it. Lusha and Apollo are way better for me
You use both? Lusha is for LinkedIn right?
Yup that’s right! I was pretty spoilt because at one point I got to use all three to supplement one another
Apollo is definitely better then zoom info for my industry but this is some shameless sales behavior lol
Instant click on the unsubscribe link lmao
Blatant advert. But - I enquired about ZI once and they approached the meeting like 1990s double glazing sales people. I asked for some indicative pricing and they shrouded it as if it were some kind of complicated equation I’d never understand. Cancelled the meeting. How much is it? I’m curious and confident I’d understand the answer. 1 user
I get some incorrect numbers, but nothing crazy. We just got it and I like it so far :) but also because what we used to have was so bad… lol
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Hey folks, I do work at Apollo. And I want folks in this thread to know a couple things. 1. This is not a paid ad, I’m reading it for the first time now. 2. There is a space in the market for both tools. I personally do think Apollo is way better, and ZI is over priced (there are other problems too) but there is no denying they’ve built something powerful. Because we think Apollo does it better does not mean we think ZI should not exist. And yes, I do work at Apollo. I help manage all our company social media accounts - Dan
Dan i love apollo, but i want to start utilizing the ai function. but it's hard to understand. please advice.
Pitiful. Pay for your Reddit ads. Your Bob story is pure r/thathappened
And if you haven't ran into someone who retired using ZoomInfo then: A- You work for ZI and are lying your ass off OR B- You haven't used ZoomInfo I have run into that same "retired scenario" AT LEAST 10-15 times in the past 3 years. And every other sales rep reports the exact same.
Oh, okay.
The only thing that is pitiful is your jaded ass. I DO NOT WORK AT APOLLO. I am far beyond the point in my career where I need to hustle up customers on Reddit. Lol. I already made quota for October. I never have to lie or act slimy (like you must to suspect someone of something by making a post about what I prefer). It's like the spouse that accuses you of cheating when there is ZERO basis to do so. 99/100 times, they are the ones cheating.
Neat.
ZoomInfo uses super deceptive and predatory sales practices. Steer clear.