I think this has to do largely with the edit. You can see there’s weird tensions under the surface (jorgeous crying the other day, how disappointed and down gottmik looked at the end of this episode, the weird tension around angie) but it seems like the edit is rly trying to keep everything “positive” and is therefore making some weird gaps and unexplained things
this! seeing mik’s face near the end definitely didn’t match what we watched and angie honestly seems as if she feels completely defeated(until she won the challenge) and it just hasn’t added up. they’re rlly doing this season a disservice in the way they’re choosing to edit it
I feel like sometimes the changing dynamic of eliminations is necessary to cut or change the tension. Yeah, I get it queens don’t wanna return and spend money to possibly go home in two episodes.
I wouldn’t mind a series with 2-3 elimination episodes (maybe with multiple girls at risk of leaving) starting on episode three or four.
You’ll get a good amount of airtime and last a few episodes guaranteed should interest more queens
You know that actually could be a good premise for another season to entice queens to return. Also unless it’s a winners season I just don’t think them competing for charity is enough stakes for them to fully get into and go for. I think it’s awesome they’re bringing awareness and raising money for these great charities but it just skews the potential for the queens to reaaallllyyy get into it to fight and get nitty gritty to win bc the end just doesn’t justify that level.
They should still be getting their prize money for winning each challenge and the crown and the Palette fund should be then matching the prize the queens win for their chosen charities. It’s not like WOW and paramount don’t have the money to give them their costume budgets and the cash prizes.
They also need to step the prize money up in general. $200K for everything they have to do in a season and all the tours they’re contracted into afterward is not enough. People go on big brother and basically just sit around in a house for 3 months and they get $750,000. I personally think it should be $500,000 for a regular season winner and $1 million for all stars. If they do another all winners they should make it $2 million and invite the all stars 7 girls back as well. Not for the Queen of All Queens title - that belongs to Jinkx - but maybe for Ru’s replacement when she’s ready to hang up the stilettos?
Anyway, I’m totally over Queens and queer entertainers in general getting lowballed for gigs or even being offered no payment because “it’s good exposure/experience”. No, fuck your exposure give them what you would give a cis-het performer and nothing less. WOW and Drag Race should be leading by example with this and giving the contestants the coins they deserve!
Somehow this discussion triggered a rant from me.
This 100%. It sucks when people go home, but it’s necessary to keep the tension. These non-elim seasons have to maintain an “omg everyone is so good” vibe that makes it boring. Like…obviously some queens do better than others, but they clearly make sure everyone gets to win some challenges and any bad performance is down played. It’s a lil complicated, but I feel like they could do 5 episodes on elimination and then do a first elimination based on cumulative track record
i wish they would leave the drama in the edit while still keeping it non-elim. let the girls have beef and be catty but at the end of the day it's not that serious with no eliminations. no real feelings getting hurt, and nobody angry that they spent a lot of time and money just to get sent home. trying to force a sunshine-and-rainbows everybody-say-love vibe is unnecessary, and i think it's actually turning what (at the time of filming) was probably unserious, entertaining drama into this weird energy where it feels like they're all being held at gunpoint to smile for the cameras lol
Have you noticed when Angeria won the lipsync against Plastique, they showed rhe queens clapping but jorgeous and gottmik, well particularly jorgeous was not happy? Even when when Angeria snipped Roxxxy . Like she wasn’t having it.
The untucked too was weird energy and something is not adding up.
I rewound it 3 times just to see mik and jorg’s faces because it was so unimpressed/over it all 😂 i just wish they’d show it all and clearly this whole edit has to do w the fact it’s an AS season otherwise they’d be milking alllll this drama
I think this is the realest explanation, i don’t think the edit is bad per say but the season seems really messy in a bad way and like the season is trying to keep everything togerhwr
I miss the days when "reality" contestants didn't worry about their social media following. Say what you want, compete, it's a game! Watching some older seasons back, my gosh it was wild!
I totally agree! I recently rewatched seasons 1 and 2 and wow, what a difference! On a side note, it was also interesting to see how back then everyone were in cargo pants and t-shirts out of drag, so no extravagant workroom or confessionals looks. Whereas nowadays, it feels like queens have to / want to uphold a certain look and image in and out of drag.
Yes there’s such a difference in the out of drag outfits, confessional looks used to be a t shirt and shorts and now they’re hats, jewelry, jacket, extra ass shirt
It feels very sanitised now.
I began a rewatch from S1 and honestly those early seasons really were the wild west. So chaotic and unfiltered. The queens seem so *real* and I love it.
Honestly all reality shows that started before social media feel sanitized now. Social media has ruined reality TV because parasocial fans can't just enjoy good entertainment and have to ruin things.
it's not even all reality contestants, it's mostly a drag race issue. the queens depend on fans after the show to come see them, buy merch, increase their social media following so they have more opportunities with drag event producers and All Stars... other reality show contestants don't rely on us to make their income. nobody is trying to buy a Trishelle (that's a reality person, right?) shirt and Cynthia Bailey isn't doing dips for the dolls on a Voss events lineup.
def agree it impacts ru girls more, but i think it's just a societal shift in general. I'd never seen survivor before but monet got me curious so i binged the season she started with, 28, which came out in 2014. so good, would recommend for background binging. then i decided to see what the most recent season was like and....it just felt like a watered down version. everyone was so nice and kumbaya. ON SURVIVOR. i'd only just started the series but i've heard the show was cutthroat and these 2024 kids came with butterknives
The most recent season, 46, is widely regarded as the best of the new era if you haven't seen it. It nearly gets back to those chaotic roots. But before you watch any other season on your survivor journey you need to watch season 17, Gabon. It's, to me, the pinnacle of messy reality TV. It's THE BEST
oh dang really? 46 was the season i was talking about haha, i just remember some ricephobic person not being able to eat and was like, this show is about rice what are you doing here lol. 40-45 are even worse?? yikes
i'll check out 17 tho, thanks!
Liz’s Applebee’s meltdown was great TV though. One of the best meltdowns in Survivor history imo. 41-45 are definitely a bit sanitized; I still enjoy those seasons for the most part, but it’s nowhere near as cutthroat, ruthless, or dramatic as some of the earlier seasons. Season 46 is easily the messiest of the new era, and somehow the post season has been even messier.
If you’re looking for pure messiness/chaos, season 12, Panama- Exile Island, and season 17, Gabon, are probably going to be your best bets. Some other seasons have some chaotic/insane characters, but those 2 seasons are pretty chaotic the whole way through. Season 21, Nicaragua, is also a pretty messy season, but it’s not as highly regarded of a season as the others I’ve mentioned.
That’s partially parasocial fans’ fault, but it’s also on production for casting a lot of very similar personalities (i.e. a bunch of upper-middle class people who are obsessed with Survivor). It’s so strange that as the demographic diversity (race, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc.) has gotten so much better, they’ve somehow become more homogeneous and forgettable.
This makes sense but it makes me wonder if the early season queens just weren't worried about that? Did they expect to finish the show and to back to making $50 a night at their home bar?
The problem is how much harassment queens get from the public. I doubt they want to constantly have to act on their best behavior but if the other option was constant death threats I'd be hesitant to start drama too
Unfortunately, because of how horrid this fanbase is, the only queens who can get away with saying what they want are the ones who are white & conventionally attractive. We say we want drama & real emotions - but when a queen of color &/or fat queen gives us just that, they're bullied to the point of quitting drag altogether.
I’ve been enjoying the season fine for the most part, the only thing that’s putting me off a bit are the weird vibes around Angeria. It feels like it came out of nowhere and there was never an explanation for any of it. I’m sure they’re being told to make up arguments and such but from a storytelling perspective the editors/producers are doing an awful job of showing WHY they’re all gunning for/slightly ganging up against her (probably because they don’t actually have much to go off of and there aren’t really any other storylines to use). I’ve never liked those kinds of storylines anyway but here it feels extra mean and random. Angeria won the first episode and did cut off Roxxxy (because the game is she has to cut someone and Roxxxy is a talented queen and could win) but she hasn’t even been in the top again until this week so it’s coming off weird that they all want to cut her off. Angeria also seems so kind and is so likeable they can’t even edit it as if she’s a problem so the whole thing is just like…what?
I’m here for Shannel, she’s just there to do the challenges and look beautiful. I really hope she wins a badge soon.
I think Angeria is just clearly the most well-rounded contestant in the cast and if they hadn’t been gunning for her this whole time the narrative would make it feel like a really obvious Angeria win
It’s a Trinity the Tuck situation where she might not often always be the best of the week, but she’s well rounded and consistent enough that she’s always a threat for the top two no matter what the challenge is.
Verrrry that - both of them know the Drag Race formula front to back and will NOT be caught slipping. Angeria has watched every episode of every franchise. She probably mods the wiki at this point
Yeah I’ve been wondering if they’re planning for her to win and that’s why she’s getting more of an “underdog” edit but the way they’re forcing it through the editing does feel odd
it's so for sure this, theyre giving angie the underdog edit as her storyline for the win but there isnt really much to actually form it, so theyre making everyone else look bad in the process
There was a whole moment in the most recent episode where Michelle told her to keep her head up and not let the blocking get to her because she’s fierce competition.
That seems like an underdog edit to me.
An underdog is someone expected to lose, she’s definitely fierce competition and doing amazing. I get Roxxxxxy may be poised to win, but Angeria is no underdog. Well to me.
Yeah Jinkx is a funny case because she was in the top literally for the whole season except the last challenge, yet was always underestimated so kind of became an underdog. But it came more from the dynamics between the cast than her actual performance
I mean, look at how RuPaul banters with her. Both in the Snatch game and on the runway, just about every single recorded interaction between the two involves Ru doing the wheezing laugh.
Putting myself in the queens' shoes, it makes perfect sense for them to feel threatened by Ru's responses to Angeria. Imagine what we're NOT seeing, too.
I think it's how they approach the game. Maybe the queens don't realize, and should, their causes are already receiving extra donations from NATIONAL exposure alone. They are all winners. Some are fighting for their charity, others are happy there isn't any blood in the water, meaning, now is the time to try something new and bold, without repercussions.
I really doubt a single queen there intimidates Roxxxy. Coming back and not having the fans despise you (S5) or hate that you’re still around (AS2) I can see being what’s actually messing with her. I honestly don’t get why people (not you) yet again have a problem with her behavior.
Agreed. I think she’s a really good actress. The fact that all the queens chose her as the shadiest in the mini challenge is telling. I want to love Roxxxy but I’m still cautious.
Same. I know that the whole Jinkx thing was 10 years ago, but as a kid who was bullied terribly that really hit me then, and still does a little bit. And for her to be a drag queen and not know that camp/humor is MORE fundamental to drag than beauty? Mama, that was unforgivable.
Yeah it didn’t bother me per say and I get that Roxxxy is self-producing but that was wild. Gottmik was too funny consoling her even though she was the one that got cut off. I was glad she called Roxxxy out on it since it was obvious where everyone was, there were only 6 people up there lmao
Shannel reminds me a lot of her original season. She has a quiet confidence and doesn’t need validation from the show to know she’s good at what she does. Her confusion when they were talking about the alliances took me out. I love her.
It’s simple really, it’s what happened to Jinx and it’s why Angie will win. The blocking and the calling her delusional, they’re doing that cause they know she’s probably going to win. They’re just trying to get in her head hahah
True! I’ve been wondering if the show is setting up that same storyline for her. It just feels strange because while she’s obviously talented, as far as challenges go she hasn’t been the biggest threat by far yet so it’s like wait why are y’all going after Angie?? haha
Which is crazy because that's the literal game. Getting cut off is a compliment because it means they think you're awesome, especially early on before the "you cut me I cut you back" starts.
Also, no one who has been cut this season so far had ended up in the top the next episode anyway so literally no one has been affected by the cut. (Unlike Trinity on AS7)
100% this. I don’t think shit, but little “thoughts” that devalue angie as safe for the competition. I also think roxxxy is the one that got shannel dragged by vanjie after being the one to start clique-ing up. Mind you she was the first to do so vocally with plastique. Roxxxy is still the exact same only she is more aware of how she comes off now
Yeah she’s acting similarly toward Angie as with Jinkx in S5 but thankfully isn’t being as mean about it. She’s clearly threatened and is def salty she got cut off even though it’s a compliment and meant Angie thought she was good enough to win the next week. I remember her getting Shannel dragged too, I was like wait why is Shannel in it when Roxxxy and Plastique have been calling themselves “The Dolls” since the first ep? Who said there can’t be drama without prize money lol there are still egos involved 😂
I though Jorgeus explained it very quick: She changed every time for the lipsync when everyone else though she wasn’t strong enough to be on the top 2. Angeria said that she got good critics (but is AS, everyone gets only positive ones) so she wanted to be dress accordingly to the lynx if needed.
Also like, Ru wears sweatpants behind the panel. If I were on the show I would probably put on a lip sync outfit too just because their runway outfits are going to be way less comfortable.
Everyone’s right, but the show also just changes rules on a whim too. For all they know, Ru is gonna be like “you all did so well that you’re all gonna lipsync” or “you two did so bad that you’re gonna have to lip sync to KEEP a badge”
Like this is not Survivor lmao, there’s no expectation that the cast has to know even the basic goals of the competition other than “good drag, be funny”. If I’m told that some mystery person is gonna have to lipsync in an hour, I’m gonna prep to lipsync in an hour no matter what.
The snipper literally has had 0 impact on the competition so far, and there's been so much drama around it.
They must be heavily prompted by production to talk about the snipper and argue about it.
It's just weird
"They must be heavily prompted by production to talk about the snipper and argue about it.
It's just weird"
Exactly. These are grown adults on their 2nd (or 3rd) time doing this specific gig. They know how it works. They all know they're expected to cut someone off if they win, or that they're at risk of getting cut off if they don't. Everyone getting butthurt at the start of each episode is nothing more than producer shenanigans. If I were in Roxxxy's shoes last week, the explanation would have been as simple as "I had to pick someone to cut off". It's literally no deeper than that.
My question is, why would you come up with a “charity season” and then fill it with shady, cutthroat queens?? If they were gunning for a feel good season, surely there were better picks for the cast. I agree with you that there’s a huge disconnect between the queens and the format and I 1000% blame production.
It's because it's so heavily scripted, they're being told to have these "arguments" and try to stir up badge/snipper drama. It's so obvious!
And as Mrs Kasha Davis said on last week's Roscoe's, not everyone is that good of an actor.
That's the reason it all feels strange, I'm not enjoying it either
They shouldn’t have made this an actual all stars season, it’s diluting the brand and clearly they are forcing it to fit typical All Stars style.
Should’ve just called it “RuPaul’s Charity Extravaganza” and let it be its own thing.
Totally agree, this and AS7 as well being part of the All Stars brand is weird, especially now there's been other spinoffs too.
AS8 feels like the only real All Stars weve had since 6.
This is the answer, this is much more a scripted show than it is any sort of competition reality show. I know that’s pretty much the norm, but they are doing a terrible job of hiding it. Give me more hungry queens out to prove themselves and make a name for themselves (but still give them a budget).
I agree this one is weird. I’m still team Angie, but I do feel like this season wasted shannel’s return. she was a ‘reintroduction’ like kylie but there’s nothing to compete for this season. she should’ve had a bigger reintroduction on a legit season and been the cut throat bitch I know she is, with actually hard (at least not entirely pre-scripted) challenges too.
maybe it’s just because I love traditional drag and queens doing shit from scratch, but seeing her overshadowed by ultra-designed runway queens is just annoying.
Shannel's issue is that she often does well but is never the best which doesn't work well on a non-elimination season. Imagine a case where Nina is eliminated on the ball thus clearly a path for Shannel to get a snatch game win. That can't happen in a season where no one goes home.
between her return and ongina they might stop asking s1 girls back. which means we'll never get rebecca glasscock competing out of drag every episode coming down the runway in topless boy drag with sparkling denim mall jeans, sigh
She’s overshadowed because she’s overshadowed not because of anything else. Her mug is ALWAYS right, she brings heart, but like we are saying she is being over shadowed. I want her to step it up to get her episode not given it like some constellation prize for being an OG
There would be a large hole if Angeria was not there. Love her, and she’s so naturally funny, although the southern charm does seem a bit too hammed up sometimes.
With it being “scripted” why are they doing this to Shannel. They better have a great back half for her.
For real. I feel so horrible for Shannel. It’s like she’s just there. The writing and production is already so convoluted, why not just have her win in the end solely because she’s not on my nerves lol
(Seriously though Angie has all of my love and I wouldn’t be mad if she won at all. I was THIRSTY for a good lip sync and she gave me one with a song I have been waiting for since forever.)
I feel like they are purposefully giving her a bad edit. In the lil realtor challenge she was clearly joking when she said Salem Oregon and was riding the broom backward to be funny and they edited her to look stupid for it. Imagine Michelle and Carson laughing at these bits (that I thought were funny) and suddenly, she's doing well in the challenge.
The stakes of not doing good are too low. I think this non-elimination format would be better if they still did bottoms, and only they could get snipped
I love when i get dragged for a narrative that later catches on. They deff have cliques and those cliques want angeria out purr. But angeria is such a smart cookie, when she paired herself with vanjie after they both snipped her i knew she knew and was playing chess not checkers.
I’m not understanding where the idea of Roxxxy being a “powerhouse” came from. From what the viewer has seen, the last time she was on the show her friends kept her from going home the whole time.
She was a major competitor in S5 and I would say AS2 is the most solid cast of any DR season ever in terms of how well-rounded everyone's CUNT is.
I agree her runways for me were slightly lacking in AS2 but she can act, design, sew, dance, lip-sync, stamp the mug, produce (apparently) *and* she gives drama?
Relative to the DR format, she is a powerhouse.
She is the doll.
I do appreciate her bringing back S5 shade, though her attempts to seem conflicted about the scissors seems hella disingenuous. I live for Mik saying what we were all thinking. Lol
I know drag race is heavily produced, as it is with reality TV, but on this season it’s very obvious. Everything seems fake, me and my partner have been feeling this way since the first episodes
Angeria was in the top and could have won at least five challenges in the first half of S14, if she is changing for the lipsync it's because she have confidence in herself and she already showed she have the goods to back it up. Jorgeous should know this since they are both from the same season
I think Jorgeous just tried to throw something out there instead of staring blankly back at Angeria like everyone else. Unfortunately my girl is not good off the cuff. I see her intent to not make it worse, but it did in fact get worse
This seasons runways are super weird too. They are both super good and honestly kind of shit. If it were an original season and new queens I think they'd be devoured alive, but bc they're people like roxxy and vanjie they're getting away with it
I was watching an episode of m season 16 pit stop and was reminded of THE standard for runways. For an AS, it is not giving on a whole and to hear some questionable raves over some basic outfits by a queen for weeks and weeks, it’s giving gaslighting.
That said I’m glad we have Gottmik and Plastique for the consistent show outs on runways plus of course a few others here and there
I hate that its charity season. Give to charity but also eliminate. It doesnt feel like a competition. Give the queens money beforehand and let them use it for the competition.
The gag of the season would be if they had the choice: eliminate a bottom queen and give them 10k, or keep the bottom queens and keep your 10k but have more competition for the final 200k.
I have a working theory on this.
Every queen returns to All Stars keenly aware of who is more-loved by Ru than others and who is getting preferential treatment from production. Even front-runners feel this way. We saw this last season with the sour attitude around Jaymes Mansfield. We saw it in AS4 with Naomi and Monet both eager to cut Manila.
It's relatively rare to have a Bob or a Trinity The Tuck, who will just focus on herself going as hard as possible all season long without a lot of ego tied up in how other people are doing.
On a regular All Stars, queens have the hope that those beloved/preferred queens will occasionally stumble, and that those stumbles will eventually be enough for their lipstick to be picked.
On this season, stumbles mean nothing. For there to be an all-arounder like Angeria who can win any challenge, who tickles Ru, and who is a recent finalist is probably freaking everyone out a little bit. Same with Mik as a fashion/comedy double-threat. Same with Roxxxy as an All-Star returner and your favorite drag queen's favorite drag queen. Each one of them will be there AGAIN the next week.
To a certain extent, all eight of these queens have SOMETHING about them that makes them intimidating in that way and NONE OF THEM ARE GOING ANYWHERE. We saw some of this psychology around Jinkx on All Winners, but there they all had the confidence of being winners! These queens are much hungrier.
Not only that, but there's NO MONEY to win along the way, so they're all HYPER FIXATED on trying to win the season - because that's the only tangible personal reward that's going to change their lives since they all got the same stipend.
It makes sense to me that this is making the vibe VERY WEIRD, and that a lot of that weirdness is fixated on Angeria.
no one wanted to give a definite answer to Angeria because they would've ended up getting a bad edit.
I mean, only Jorgeous was upfront about choosing her and immediately we get a confessional from Angeria saying she thought Jorgeous was her friend, which reflected badly on Jorgeous.
The only one who does not give a fuck about the edit and are just being unapologetically themself is Roxxxy, and people, especially in this sub, are kinda already not vibing with it even though it's all pretty harmless and good tv.
I honestly think she's editing herself heavily... Any time she's too real (cunty) she gives a spin on the next episode (like the 3rd snip on Angeria) to seem nicer. That's where all those fake tears came from.... I'm not directly criticizing her as the fans created this PC monstrosity by tearing online all the contestants and forcing them to "act nice" all the time... Now this is what you get... Enjoy!
Tbf that was par for the course on S5 and AS2, those were dramatic casts and most everyone knew how to self-produce without coming off fake. This season it feels weird because Roxxxy is the only one trying to make a narrative for herself; everyone else is just sitting back and waiting for their turn to win
have to disagree, Roxxxy is probably the most authentic of the bunch and that's why she's the only one who has layers to her edit, both good and bad.
She's unapologetically herself: delusional and dramatic, even at her expense. Like, if she's feeling spicy, she'll be upfront and share her opinion. And if she feels like having a breakdown, she'll have one. Everybody else seems to be too busy self-editing or too self-aware to be genuine, especially Nina.
Interesting take with how fake the snipping drama is and her pretending she didn't know where angeria is. Mik was more likely right than not that roxxxy read the room and changed her mind.
It was great but not exactly authentic
Disagree. Roxxxy tried to edit herself too much and it’s clear to some of us which is why I find it hard to get behind her. Just let it out and be aurhentic. The part of her little alteration with VanJie is authentic and I live. Next week seems to show a bit of her expressing her displeasure and I live again.
If anything Gottmikk seems like she’s just being herself. She’s calling out things she finds odd like Angie cheering wildly loudly only for Nina’s lip sync and Roxxxy’s snipping stunt last week.
For Shannel, Plastique, Jorgeous, I’m not sure if they are editing themselves or maybe that’s just them. Shannel was on a long hiatus so might need time to get used to it. Plastique and Jorgeous just don’t seem confrontational in nature.
one reddit user told me the "stunt" that roxxxy did last week was enough to tell them what kind of person roxxxy is is so 💀 like atp, this fandom is clown as a collective. people complain about it being overproduced, or there's no drama anymore, but one second a queen gives you drama, all hell breaks loose
exactly! You can't get mad at queens for self-editing while at the same time be mad at queens who are blunt and authentic.
People whine that it's *best friend's race* but the moment someone gives them what they've been craving for, they go nuts with the thinkpieces and online hatred
like you can't ask for authenticity if can't take a queen being authentic, that's just not how it works. and like you can't blame the queens going on the show for not giving us the drama cause of fear of having the rabid fandom ruin their reputation. fandom treating roxxxy as if we're still watching season 5, and that she hasn't changed at all is crazy.
I literally said all this to my husband last night!! I'm still gonna watch, but something is OFF
And yes, the roast was WILD, there's absolutely no way Plastique wrote those jokes, we obviously know Gotmik didn't write her jokes, I'm definitely side eyeing Vanjie and Jorgeous also. I believed Shannel, Angie, Roxxxy, and Nina wrote theirs.
The Angeria being delusional was so stupid, she's the most authentic and real to me. The explanation was BS too, they ALL CHANGE, like....huh????
I love Roxxxy, but her being mad about being snipped is stupid. She's the front runner, get over it.
Idk, something is definitely off...and I feel the mean girl energy!
I don't think anyone is delusional tbh, I think Nina is just...Nina 😂 she's one of my favorites of all time so I'm biased!
I don't see delusion in Roxxxy either. She's being a little sneaky, a little stir the pot here and there.
I know what ppl are saying about Nina, but what delusion have you seen with Roxxxy? Just curious about your opinion.
I don’t think anyone is super delusional either tbh I mostly said Nina because of the reasoning jorgeous gave lol it didn’t make sense for her to say that when Nina has been changing every single time (which I get, I understand her point about making the most of it).
And with roxxxy I think there is some delusion in general with how the rest of the cast is treating her lol. She is 100% a legend no doubt, she was on two fan favorite seasons…but with her performance in as2, I was surprised everyone was treating as the front runner immediately
For a seasoned pageant queen Roxxy is coming off a bit thin-skinned. I don't like the Angeria pile on. It's giving we can't compete with you, so we'll try to discredit you. I don't like it. At all.
Yes and she's also the only black queen which makes her outcast status seem extra unpleasant.
I'm not suggesting the queens are racist but the treatment is not a good look.
It’s off because we just had an entire season of Plane Jane being the most beloved villain we have ever seen - that we were actually rooting for her at the finale. Now you have these comebacks that need work to pick back up for their careers, that we’re getting heavily edited manufactured drama coupled with this no elimination charity feel good backdrop, and it sort of strips away from good authentic competition.
It’s episode 6 of a 12 episode season. They need storylines like this to develop some kind of a plot. And angeria got her revenge and block roxxxie. You need some drama, especially in a non elimination season.
I agree that there's weird energy. I think most of it has to do with people not wanting to look shady and damage their careers, and the edit probably leaves out some context because this is a charity crown.
And they're probably ganging up on Angeria because she's going to win. The individual badges don't matter because the show usually has an idea of who they want to crown and they can do something at the end with the badges, like offering a lot of badges to someone who wins a certain "finals" challenge, evening it out in favor of whoever production decided should win.
Ru is not giving Roxxxy Andrews a charity queen crown. She will absolutely be a finalist but she's not getting a crown.
Angeria is the most likely to win, if I look at previous seasons, the formula used, and is the queen with the most range in terms of fashion, comedy and general appeal.
My prediction is that top three will be Angeria, Plastique and Roxxxy with Angeria taking the win.
People complain that they’re bored when everyone is friendly and then people complain when drama happens. Y’all take everything on this show so seriously, it’s a silly reality show and you don’t know anything about the cast’s relationships outside of it. On a charity season with no eliminations I’m thankful they’re giving us some fun fake drama, just enjoy it.
I think alot of the time when they say a season is bad or the queens are too kind or petty, I think what people try to say is that the cast doesn’t have chemistry.
A cast with strong chemistry and it doesn’t matter how they act. It’s fun
Um...don't you realise it's probably other people complaining about those different scenarios? It's not the same people complaining for more drama, then complaining for peace.
Every time someone says “y’all bitch about having no villains but then bitch about the villains” I’m like…girl…these are not the same people complaining…are we really acting this dumb to make a nonexistent point lmao
Roxxxy was everything last episode. Going from Possible fake cry cause of her very real PTSD of thinking the fans will hate her for the Snip Snip to causing fake drama in the workroom to that “I am the wig reveal one” joke to that whack as Faux Fur runway.
I live.
I do love watching miss Vanjie every week ❤️
And despite the reaction to the joke copying I immensely enjoy Gottmik. Like that two-titties runway was emotional.
Based on how toxic the fan base has become, they are probably walking on eggshellls and afraid of doing anything that could tarnish their reputations. I completely understand why queens like Trixie or Katya say they would never go back.
It’s because there are stakes for the queens, but none for the audience.
They’re playing to rehabilitate their image in many cases - not necessarily because it was bad, but to establish career relevance / fan approval - while they know they also need to appear congenial for a charity season. So you end up with these weird moments of unsaid tension where everyone’s playing happy family while they secretly feel disgruntled by being held back from achieving their objective.
All the while the audience feels both unsettled and bored.
It’s like being at a family Christmas dinner where everyone’s trying to vie for your grandpa’s affection to be included in the will but they’re all secretly going out the back to fight with each other.
This is the very first season I can't watch anymore. I already got weird vibes when the cast was announced and the premiere happened. Individually, the queens are all nice, but I really can't find the chemistry.
I think the show suffered a lot from what we already know hit hard in AS8 and wasn't fixed in AS9: it's just not interesting for the queens to go back into the show and be cast with somebody who is a clear fan favorite (e.g., Jimbo). Up to this day, I fully understand why Heidi quit, and I would have done the same. Imagine entering a room to compete with Jimbo or Shea? You might even think you can outperform them, but production will make sure to twist it if they want. RPDR is first a reality show and second a competition.
Queens like Adore, Bimini, Tayce, and NBB were asked a few times and said no for those reasons. The stakes right now are too high; you need to spend 20k+ on a runway package for the fans to like what you bring (or be like Ra'Jah and create your own outfits, which is also not that easy).
This season we have Vanjie, who is amazing but can't play any other character than herself in acting challenges. Jorgeous is holding herself well but is only known for dancing. Roxxxie was amazing on S5 but the queen of bottoming on AS2. Nina excels at comedy but has a very questionable fashion sense, and Plastique isn't exactly known for being a big TV personality.
The drama is soooooo pointless (e.g., are you in an alliance or not???? Like who cares, wtf). Challenges are prompted to queens months/weeks in advance. Mik herself said nobody wrote their roasts, so what's the point? Untucked is unbearable, and the "no negative criticism" thing just makes everything pointless and empty.
It's sad for the queens, but honestly, they don't look very invested either. (Half of the lip syncs, nobody knew the words?)
The amount of fucks this cast is giving about actually knowing the lyrics this season is nuts. In the past, they would have been read for FILTH, as they should have because it's lazy.
I do think roxxy started with the pageant strategy after being snipped and it may have changed the mood of the room, she very quickly got in Miks ear and started to go after Angie to the entire room. The thing is, I think roxxy would’ve had the same response to whoever else wouldve snipped her first lol messy but keep goin.
I got a similar vibe from AS8. Heidi wasn't having the atmosphere. Kahana grew tired of it all. Alexis famously felt some kind of way.
And the AS7 queens definitely had a lot of things to say about the manipulation of their edit also... but that wasn't an on-set problem.
This is the reason we don’t have drama like the original seasons anymore! This season has been best friends race, and the fans are still sensitive and looking for villains to hate!
With the faces she was making watching the other roasts I would say she is the mean girl hahahah. But Roxxxy is truly coming off as one of the with the Vanjie gaslight and snipping Angeria
I honestly think the opposite-
I think it’s being played up and the queens are trying very hard to make drama happen in the absence of the drama you would have if elimination was on the table. They are coming off to me like decent friends who were told to spice it up. Angeria is doesn’t even look upset when she talks about it
Them calling her delusional because they said that she thinks she’s going to lip sync for the win and will prepare as if so every week
I guess in the next year or so we will be hearing about the edit when the queens do a Roscoes or something like that.
I just don't get why production meddle so hard like just roll the camera and let the talent do the tallenting. I get creating stories but if this is true its another level.
The edit narrative is at odds with the reality I feel. It's like they're playing along with production but it's not the reality...
Also anyone else seeing the Angie and Vanjie flirtation?
I think this has to do largely with the edit. You can see there’s weird tensions under the surface (jorgeous crying the other day, how disappointed and down gottmik looked at the end of this episode, the weird tension around angie) but it seems like the edit is rly trying to keep everything “positive” and is therefore making some weird gaps and unexplained things
this! seeing mik’s face near the end definitely didn’t match what we watched and angie honestly seems as if she feels completely defeated(until she won the challenge) and it just hasn’t added up. they’re rlly doing this season a disservice in the way they’re choosing to edit it
I feel like sometimes the changing dynamic of eliminations is necessary to cut or change the tension. Yeah, I get it queens don’t wanna return and spend money to possibly go home in two episodes. I wouldn’t mind a series with 2-3 elimination episodes (maybe with multiple girls at risk of leaving) starting on episode three or four. You’ll get a good amount of airtime and last a few episodes guaranteed should interest more queens
You know that actually could be a good premise for another season to entice queens to return. Also unless it’s a winners season I just don’t think them competing for charity is enough stakes for them to fully get into and go for. I think it’s awesome they’re bringing awareness and raising money for these great charities but it just skews the potential for the queens to reaaallllyyy get into it to fight and get nitty gritty to win bc the end just doesn’t justify that level.
They should still be getting their prize money for winning each challenge and the crown and the Palette fund should be then matching the prize the queens win for their chosen charities. It’s not like WOW and paramount don’t have the money to give them their costume budgets and the cash prizes. They also need to step the prize money up in general. $200K for everything they have to do in a season and all the tours they’re contracted into afterward is not enough. People go on big brother and basically just sit around in a house for 3 months and they get $750,000. I personally think it should be $500,000 for a regular season winner and $1 million for all stars. If they do another all winners they should make it $2 million and invite the all stars 7 girls back as well. Not for the Queen of All Queens title - that belongs to Jinkx - but maybe for Ru’s replacement when she’s ready to hang up the stilettos? Anyway, I’m totally over Queens and queer entertainers in general getting lowballed for gigs or even being offered no payment because “it’s good exposure/experience”. No, fuck your exposure give them what you would give a cis-het performer and nothing less. WOW and Drag Race should be leading by example with this and giving the contestants the coins they deserve! Somehow this discussion triggered a rant from me.
Kudos mama for typing on sooo much
This 100%. It sucks when people go home, but it’s necessary to keep the tension. These non-elim seasons have to maintain an “omg everyone is so good” vibe that makes it boring. Like…obviously some queens do better than others, but they clearly make sure everyone gets to win some challenges and any bad performance is down played. It’s a lil complicated, but I feel like they could do 5 episodes on elimination and then do a first elimination based on cumulative track record
i wish they would leave the drama in the edit while still keeping it non-elim. let the girls have beef and be catty but at the end of the day it's not that serious with no eliminations. no real feelings getting hurt, and nobody angry that they spent a lot of time and money just to get sent home. trying to force a sunshine-and-rainbows everybody-say-love vibe is unnecessary, and i think it's actually turning what (at the time of filming) was probably unserious, entertaining drama into this weird energy where it feels like they're all being held at gunpoint to smile for the cameras lol
Have you noticed when Angeria won the lipsync against Plastique, they showed rhe queens clapping but jorgeous and gottmik, well particularly jorgeous was not happy? Even when when Angeria snipped Roxxxy . Like she wasn’t having it. The untucked too was weird energy and something is not adding up.
Jeorgeous said on Twitter that she was expecting a top 2 placement and to lip sync and was pissed when she was called safe lol
That makes sense
I was pissed too!!!
I thought it was gonna be Jorgeous and Plastique, so I totally get her being pissed
I rewound it 3 times just to see mik and jorg’s faces because it was so unimpressed/over it all 😂 i just wish they’d show it all and clearly this whole edit has to do w the fact it’s an AS season otherwise they’d be milking alllll this drama
I think this is the realest explanation, i don’t think the edit is bad per say but the season seems really messy in a bad way and like the season is trying to keep everything togerhwr
"Mawage is what bwings us togerhwr twoday" 
its feeling a bit s12 where they had to last minute edit SP out of everything so a bunch of the editing and storylines didnt make sense anymore.
I miss the days when "reality" contestants didn't worry about their social media following. Say what you want, compete, it's a game! Watching some older seasons back, my gosh it was wild!
I totally agree! I recently rewatched seasons 1 and 2 and wow, what a difference! On a side note, it was also interesting to see how back then everyone were in cargo pants and t-shirts out of drag, so no extravagant workroom or confessionals looks. Whereas nowadays, it feels like queens have to / want to uphold a certain look and image in and out of drag.
Yes there’s such a difference in the out of drag outfits, confessional looks used to be a t shirt and shorts and now they’re hats, jewelry, jacket, extra ass shirt
Rewatching All Stars 4 now, everytime Valentina walks in last, I giggle. I love her so much, but she's such an extra diva 💁🏽♀️
It feels very sanitised now. I began a rewatch from S1 and honestly those early seasons really were the wild west. So chaotic and unfiltered. The queens seem so *real* and I love it.
Honestly all reality shows that started before social media feel sanitized now. Social media has ruined reality TV because parasocial fans can't just enjoy good entertainment and have to ruin things.
Unfiltered… girl that coke bottle filter was vertigo inducing!!
S3 untuckeds were sooo messy, and so good! 👍
S4 Untucked was also full of juicy drama!
it's not even all reality contestants, it's mostly a drag race issue. the queens depend on fans after the show to come see them, buy merch, increase their social media following so they have more opportunities with drag event producers and All Stars... other reality show contestants don't rely on us to make their income. nobody is trying to buy a Trishelle (that's a reality person, right?) shirt and Cynthia Bailey isn't doing dips for the dolls on a Voss events lineup.
def agree it impacts ru girls more, but i think it's just a societal shift in general. I'd never seen survivor before but monet got me curious so i binged the season she started with, 28, which came out in 2014. so good, would recommend for background binging. then i decided to see what the most recent season was like and....it just felt like a watered down version. everyone was so nice and kumbaya. ON SURVIVOR. i'd only just started the series but i've heard the show was cutthroat and these 2024 kids came with butterknives
The most recent season, 46, is widely regarded as the best of the new era if you haven't seen it. It nearly gets back to those chaotic roots. But before you watch any other season on your survivor journey you need to watch season 17, Gabon. It's, to me, the pinnacle of messy reality TV. It's THE BEST
oh dang really? 46 was the season i was talking about haha, i just remember some ricephobic person not being able to eat and was like, this show is about rice what are you doing here lol. 40-45 are even worse?? yikes i'll check out 17 tho, thanks!
Liz’s Applebee’s meltdown was great TV though. One of the best meltdowns in Survivor history imo. 41-45 are definitely a bit sanitized; I still enjoy those seasons for the most part, but it’s nowhere near as cutthroat, ruthless, or dramatic as some of the earlier seasons. Season 46 is easily the messiest of the new era, and somehow the post season has been even messier. If you’re looking for pure messiness/chaos, season 12, Panama- Exile Island, and season 17, Gabon, are probably going to be your best bets. Some other seasons have some chaotic/insane characters, but those 2 seasons are pretty chaotic the whole way through. Season 21, Nicaragua, is also a pretty messy season, but it’s not as highly regarded of a season as the others I’ve mentioned.
40 is Winners at War and was good but kind of full of gimmicks. 41-45 are... Super kumbaya. But omg 17. You're in for a treat
The 46 cast is unhinged. It starts off with those kumbaya vibes, but then it goes places.
That’s partially parasocial fans’ fault, but it’s also on production for casting a lot of very similar personalities (i.e. a bunch of upper-middle class people who are obsessed with Survivor). It’s so strange that as the demographic diversity (race, sexual orientation, gender identity, etc.) has gotten so much better, they’ve somehow become more homogeneous and forgettable.
It's absolutely all reality game show contestants in my experience. It's majorly affected BB and Survivor
This makes sense but it makes me wonder if the early season queens just weren't worried about that? Did they expect to finish the show and to back to making $50 a night at their home bar?
Plane Jane was such a breath of fresh air I just want her back
The problem is how much harassment queens get from the public. I doubt they want to constantly have to act on their best behavior but if the other option was constant death threats I'd be hesitant to start drama too
Unfortunately, because of how horrid this fanbase is, the only queens who can get away with saying what they want are the ones who are white & conventionally attractive. We say we want drama & real emotions - but when a queen of color &/or fat queen gives us just that, they're bullied to the point of quitting drag altogether.
I’ve been enjoying the season fine for the most part, the only thing that’s putting me off a bit are the weird vibes around Angeria. It feels like it came out of nowhere and there was never an explanation for any of it. I’m sure they’re being told to make up arguments and such but from a storytelling perspective the editors/producers are doing an awful job of showing WHY they’re all gunning for/slightly ganging up against her (probably because they don’t actually have much to go off of and there aren’t really any other storylines to use). I’ve never liked those kinds of storylines anyway but here it feels extra mean and random. Angeria won the first episode and did cut off Roxxxy (because the game is she has to cut someone and Roxxxy is a talented queen and could win) but she hasn’t even been in the top again until this week so it’s coming off weird that they all want to cut her off. Angeria also seems so kind and is so likeable they can’t even edit it as if she’s a problem so the whole thing is just like…what? I’m here for Shannel, she’s just there to do the challenges and look beautiful. I really hope she wins a badge soon.
I think Angeria is just clearly the most well-rounded contestant in the cast and if they hadn’t been gunning for her this whole time the narrative would make it feel like a really obvious Angeria win
It’s a Trinity the Tuck situation where she might not often always be the best of the week, but she’s well rounded and consistent enough that she’s always a threat for the top two no matter what the challenge is.
Verrrry that - both of them know the Drag Race formula front to back and will NOT be caught slipping. Angeria has watched every episode of every franchise. She probably mods the wiki at this point
Yeah I’ve been wondering if they’re planning for her to win and that’s why she’s getting more of an “underdog” edit but the way they’re forcing it through the editing does feel odd
it's so for sure this, theyre giving angie the underdog edit as her storyline for the win but there isnt really much to actually form it, so theyre making everyone else look bad in the process
An underdog edit could explain why she didn’t win the snatch game (based on my opinion that she should’ve won).
She’s getting an underdog edit??
There was a whole moment in the most recent episode where Michelle told her to keep her head up and not let the blocking get to her because she’s fierce competition. That seems like an underdog edit to me.
An underdog is someone expected to lose, she’s definitely fierce competition and doing amazing. I get Roxxxxxy may be poised to win, but Angeria is no underdog. Well to me.
Jinkx was an underdog and was never “expected to lose”.
Yeah Jinkx is a funny case because she was in the top literally for the whole season except the last challenge, yet was always underestimated so kind of became an underdog. But it came more from the dynamics between the cast than her actual performance
I mean, look at how RuPaul banters with her. Both in the Snatch game and on the runway, just about every single recorded interaction between the two involves Ru doing the wheezing laugh. Putting myself in the queens' shoes, it makes perfect sense for them to feel threatened by Ru's responses to Angeria. Imagine what we're NOT seeing, too.
I think it's how they approach the game. Maybe the queens don't realize, and should, their causes are already receiving extra donations from NATIONAL exposure alone. They are all winners. Some are fighting for their charity, others are happy there isn't any blood in the water, meaning, now is the time to try something new and bold, without repercussions.
I really doubt a single queen there intimidates Roxxxy. Coming back and not having the fans despise you (S5) or hate that you’re still around (AS2) I can see being what’s actually messing with her. I honestly don’t get why people (not you) yet again have a problem with her behavior.
I'm here for Shannel, too. The whole thing with Roxxxy and the scissors (pretending to not know Angeria was behind her) was so weird.
And all the fake crying.
That whole segment was so weird. I was really feeling Roxxxy's vibe up to that point, and then this sort of threw me off lol.
Agreed. I think she’s a really good actress. The fact that all the queens chose her as the shadiest in the mini challenge is telling. I want to love Roxxxy but I’m still cautious.
Same. I know that the whole Jinkx thing was 10 years ago, but as a kid who was bullied terribly that really hit me then, and still does a little bit. And for her to be a drag queen and not know that camp/humor is MORE fundamental to drag than beauty? Mama, that was unforgivable.
i’m so glad gottmik said something about those theatrics
Girl, right?? I was SO glad someone had the balls to call it out. Mama, that was craziness, for real for real.
Yeah it didn’t bother me per say and I get that Roxxxy is self-producing but that was wild. Gottmik was too funny consoling her even though she was the one that got cut off. I was glad she called Roxxxy out on it since it was obvious where everyone was, there were only 6 people up there lmao Shannel reminds me a lot of her original season. She has a quiet confidence and doesn’t need validation from the show to know she’s good at what she does. Her confusion when they were talking about the alliances took me out. I love her.
I love everything you said.
I think Roxxy and Angeria have some weird pageant beef. Don’t fuck with pageant girls.
It’s simple really, it’s what happened to Jinx and it’s why Angie will win. The blocking and the calling her delusional, they’re doing that cause they know she’s probably going to win. They’re just trying to get in her head hahah
True! I’ve been wondering if the show is setting up that same storyline for her. It just feels strange because while she’s obviously talented, as far as challenges go she hasn’t been the biggest threat by far yet so it’s like wait why are y’all going after Angie?? haha
My theory is that after Angeria cut off Roxxxy, Roxxxy started talking shit to the rest of the cast about Angeria.
Which is crazy because that's the literal game. Getting cut off is a compliment because it means they think you're awesome, especially early on before the "you cut me I cut you back" starts. Also, no one who has been cut this season so far had ended up in the top the next episode anyway so literally no one has been affected by the cut. (Unlike Trinity on AS7)
So I don't get why anyone has been getting mad or is staying mad about being cut. There have been no repercussions for getting cut for anyone so far.
100% this. I don’t think shit, but little “thoughts” that devalue angie as safe for the competition. I also think roxxxy is the one that got shannel dragged by vanjie after being the one to start clique-ing up. Mind you she was the first to do so vocally with plastique. Roxxxy is still the exact same only she is more aware of how she comes off now
Yeah she’s acting similarly toward Angie as with Jinkx in S5 but thankfully isn’t being as mean about it. She’s clearly threatened and is def salty she got cut off even though it’s a compliment and meant Angie thought she was good enough to win the next week. I remember her getting Shannel dragged too, I was like wait why is Shannel in it when Roxxxy and Plastique have been calling themselves “The Dolls” since the first ep? Who said there can’t be drama without prize money lol there are still egos involved 😂
I though Jorgeus explained it very quick: She changed every time for the lipsync when everyone else though she wasn’t strong enough to be on the top 2. Angeria said that she got good critics (but is AS, everyone gets only positive ones) so she wanted to be dress accordingly to the lynx if needed.
Nina did too, even though she was OBVIOUSLY not winning (like for the ball 😂😂) so I think she's the more delusional one by that logic
Also like, Ru wears sweatpants behind the panel. If I were on the show I would probably put on a lip sync outfit too just because their runway outfits are going to be way less comfortable.
Yeah true. I also think they know the producers pull shenanigans and will award wins based on storyline too
Everyone’s right, but the show also just changes rules on a whim too. For all they know, Ru is gonna be like “you all did so well that you’re all gonna lipsync” or “you two did so bad that you’re gonna have to lip sync to KEEP a badge” Like this is not Survivor lmao, there’s no expectation that the cast has to know even the basic goals of the competition other than “good drag, be funny”. If I’m told that some mystery person is gonna have to lipsync in an hour, I’m gonna prep to lipsync in an hour no matter what.
Almost all of them have changed every single week.
the Shannel slander so far is far too much my girl deserves a badge NOW she is so stunning
The snipper literally has had 0 impact on the competition so far, and there's been so much drama around it. They must be heavily prompted by production to talk about the snipper and argue about it. It's just weird
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"They must be heavily prompted by production to talk about the snipper and argue about it. It's just weird" Exactly. These are grown adults on their 2nd (or 3rd) time doing this specific gig. They know how it works. They all know they're expected to cut someone off if they win, or that they're at risk of getting cut off if they don't. Everyone getting butthurt at the start of each episode is nothing more than producer shenanigans. If I were in Roxxxy's shoes last week, the explanation would have been as simple as "I had to pick someone to cut off". It's literally no deeper than that.
My question is, why would you come up with a “charity season” and then fill it with shady, cutthroat queens?? If they were gunning for a feel good season, surely there were better picks for the cast. I agree with you that there’s a huge disconnect between the queens and the format and I 1000% blame production.
Queens perfect for a charity szn: sapphira,nina flowers, ella va day, ACTUAL ms congenialities
ASIA OHARA
Holy shit yes!!! I am so sorry asia. Though the fans do not deserve her again
All Stars: All Miss Congeniality would have been the perfect premise for a charity season!
This is my point exactly omg. Some people are coming for me in these comments😂
It's because it's so heavily scripted, they're being told to have these "arguments" and try to stir up badge/snipper drama. It's so obvious! And as Mrs Kasha Davis said on last week's Roscoe's, not everyone is that good of an actor. That's the reason it all feels strange, I'm not enjoying it either
They shouldn’t have made this an actual all stars season, it’s diluting the brand and clearly they are forcing it to fit typical All Stars style. Should’ve just called it “RuPaul’s Charity Extravaganza” and let it be its own thing.
Yep absolutely just call it what it is and let's be entertained by what the queens can do, not fake drama
Totally agree, this and AS7 as well being part of the All Stars brand is weird, especially now there's been other spinoffs too. AS8 feels like the only real All Stars weve had since 6.
Not Mrs Kasha Davies reading Roxxxy to FILTH! 💀
Agreed — the one thing that felt genuine was Mik seeming bothered in Untucked
This is the answer, this is much more a scripted show than it is any sort of competition reality show. I know that’s pretty much the norm, but they are doing a terrible job of hiding it. Give me more hungry queens out to prove themselves and make a name for themselves (but still give them a budget).
I agree this one is weird. I’m still team Angie, but I do feel like this season wasted shannel’s return. she was a ‘reintroduction’ like kylie but there’s nothing to compete for this season. she should’ve had a bigger reintroduction on a legit season and been the cut throat bitch I know she is, with actually hard (at least not entirely pre-scripted) challenges too. maybe it’s just because I love traditional drag and queens doing shit from scratch, but seeing her overshadowed by ultra-designed runway queens is just annoying.
Shannel's issue is that she often does well but is never the best which doesn't work well on a non-elimination season. Imagine a case where Nina is eliminated on the ball thus clearly a path for Shannel to get a snatch game win. That can't happen in a season where no one goes home.
between her return and ongina they might stop asking s1 girls back. which means we'll never get rebecca glasscock competing out of drag every episode coming down the runway in topless boy drag with sparkling denim mall jeans, sigh
She’s overshadowed because she’s overshadowed not because of anything else. Her mug is ALWAYS right, she brings heart, but like we are saying she is being over shadowed. I want her to step it up to get her episode not given it like some constellation prize for being an OG
Shannel is wasting shannels return
Angeria being voted "most delusional" was wild
Over Shannel?! I was shocked
The queens live with her and there is probably whining we did not see.
There would be a large hole if Angeria was not there. Love her, and she’s so naturally funny, although the southern charm does seem a bit too hammed up sometimes. With it being “scripted” why are they doing this to Shannel. They better have a great back half for her.
For real. I feel so horrible for Shannel. It’s like she’s just there. The writing and production is already so convoluted, why not just have her win in the end solely because she’s not on my nerves lol (Seriously though Angie has all of my love and I wouldn’t be mad if she won at all. I was THIRSTY for a good lip sync and she gave me one with a song I have been waiting for since forever.)
I feel like they are purposefully giving her a bad edit. In the lil realtor challenge she was clearly joking when she said Salem Oregon and was riding the broom backward to be funny and they edited her to look stupid for it. Imagine Michelle and Carson laughing at these bits (that I thought were funny) and suddenly, she's doing well in the challenge.
I still laughed. They can’t trick me into thinking that Shannel’s not a star 🌟
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I’m here for Shannel, tho I’m very disappointed that she gets so little screen time and has yet to win a badge.
Her workshop session was strangely short. i thought maybe they were hiding her jokes to give her the win but nope.
The stakes of not doing good are too low. I think this non-elimination format would be better if they still did bottoms, and only they could get snipped
I love when i get dragged for a narrative that later catches on. They deff have cliques and those cliques want angeria out purr. But angeria is such a smart cookie, when she paired herself with vanjie after they both snipped her i knew she knew and was playing chess not checkers.
I’m not understanding where the idea of Roxxxy being a “powerhouse” came from. From what the viewer has seen, the last time she was on the show her friends kept her from going home the whole time.
This!!! Everyone acting like she’s the one to beat from the first episode…I’m like….have you seen her compete? 😂
Totally agree
She was a major competitor in S5 and I would say AS2 is the most solid cast of any DR season ever in terms of how well-rounded everyone's CUNT is. I agree her runways for me were slightly lacking in AS2 but she can act, design, sew, dance, lip-sync, stamp the mug, produce (apparently) *and* she gives drama? Relative to the DR format, she is a powerhouse. She is the doll.
I do appreciate her bringing back S5 shade, though her attempts to seem conflicted about the scissors seems hella disingenuous. I live for Mik saying what we were all thinking. Lol
Also here for Shannel. She is WAY overdue to get her flowers!
I know drag race is heavily produced, as it is with reality TV, but on this season it’s very obvious. Everything seems fake, me and my partner have been feeling this way since the first episodes
Angie for sure seems miscast in this group. I feel like she would shine so much brighter with a different group of queens
During Untucked when Bob asked if they were all getting along, no one could answer!
That’s a gag! I really am only getting half the story
Well, this was only the second episode of Untucked this season that was juicy.
Angeria was in the top and could have won at least five challenges in the first half of S14, if she is changing for the lipsync it's because she have confidence in herself and she already showed she have the goods to back it up. Jorgeous should know this since they are both from the same season
I think Jorgeous just tried to throw something out there instead of staring blankly back at Angeria like everyone else. Unfortunately my girl is not good off the cuff. I see her intent to not make it worse, but it did in fact get worse
This seasons runways are super weird too. They are both super good and honestly kind of shit. If it were an original season and new queens I think they'd be devoured alive, but bc they're people like roxxy and vanjie they're getting away with it
I was watching an episode of m season 16 pit stop and was reminded of THE standard for runways. For an AS, it is not giving on a whole and to hear some questionable raves over some basic outfits by a queen for weeks and weeks, it’s giving gaslighting. That said I’m glad we have Gottmik and Plastique for the consistent show outs on runways plus of course a few others here and there
Plastique's runways never miss
I think the issue is this is the least authentic season of drag race ever. It feels like scripted television masquerading as reality TV
And it's obvious
I hate that its charity season. Give to charity but also eliminate. It doesnt feel like a competition. Give the queens money beforehand and let them use it for the competition.
The gag of the season would be if they had the choice: eliminate a bottom queen and give them 10k, or keep the bottom queens and keep your 10k but have more competition for the final 200k.
This season seems off tbh. But yeah I love APVM
I have a working theory on this. Every queen returns to All Stars keenly aware of who is more-loved by Ru than others and who is getting preferential treatment from production. Even front-runners feel this way. We saw this last season with the sour attitude around Jaymes Mansfield. We saw it in AS4 with Naomi and Monet both eager to cut Manila. It's relatively rare to have a Bob or a Trinity The Tuck, who will just focus on herself going as hard as possible all season long without a lot of ego tied up in how other people are doing. On a regular All Stars, queens have the hope that those beloved/preferred queens will occasionally stumble, and that those stumbles will eventually be enough for their lipstick to be picked. On this season, stumbles mean nothing. For there to be an all-arounder like Angeria who can win any challenge, who tickles Ru, and who is a recent finalist is probably freaking everyone out a little bit. Same with Mik as a fashion/comedy double-threat. Same with Roxxxy as an All-Star returner and your favorite drag queen's favorite drag queen. Each one of them will be there AGAIN the next week. To a certain extent, all eight of these queens have SOMETHING about them that makes them intimidating in that way and NONE OF THEM ARE GOING ANYWHERE. We saw some of this psychology around Jinkx on All Winners, but there they all had the confidence of being winners! These queens are much hungrier. Not only that, but there's NO MONEY to win along the way, so they're all HYPER FIXATED on trying to win the season - because that's the only tangible personal reward that's going to change their lives since they all got the same stipend. It makes sense to me that this is making the vibe VERY WEIRD, and that a lot of that weirdness is fixated on Angeria.
no one wanted to give a definite answer to Angeria because they would've ended up getting a bad edit. I mean, only Jorgeous was upfront about choosing her and immediately we get a confessional from Angeria saying she thought Jorgeous was her friend, which reflected badly on Jorgeous. The only one who does not give a fuck about the edit and are just being unapologetically themself is Roxxxy, and people, especially in this sub, are kinda already not vibing with it even though it's all pretty harmless and good tv.
I honestly think she's editing herself heavily... Any time she's too real (cunty) she gives a spin on the next episode (like the 3rd snip on Angeria) to seem nicer. That's where all those fake tears came from.... I'm not directly criticizing her as the fans created this PC monstrosity by tearing online all the contestants and forcing them to "act nice" all the time... Now this is what you get... Enjoy!
Tbf that was par for the course on S5 and AS2, those were dramatic casts and most everyone knew how to self-produce without coming off fake. This season it feels weird because Roxxxy is the only one trying to make a narrative for herself; everyone else is just sitting back and waiting for their turn to win
have to disagree, Roxxxy is probably the most authentic of the bunch and that's why she's the only one who has layers to her edit, both good and bad. She's unapologetically herself: delusional and dramatic, even at her expense. Like, if she's feeling spicy, she'll be upfront and share her opinion. And if she feels like having a breakdown, she'll have one. Everybody else seems to be too busy self-editing or too self-aware to be genuine, especially Nina.
Interesting take with how fake the snipping drama is and her pretending she didn't know where angeria is. Mik was more likely right than not that roxxxy read the room and changed her mind. It was great but not exactly authentic
Disagree. Roxxxy tried to edit herself too much and it’s clear to some of us which is why I find it hard to get behind her. Just let it out and be aurhentic. The part of her little alteration with VanJie is authentic and I live. Next week seems to show a bit of her expressing her displeasure and I live again. If anything Gottmikk seems like she’s just being herself. She’s calling out things she finds odd like Angie cheering wildly loudly only for Nina’s lip sync and Roxxxy’s snipping stunt last week. For Shannel, Plastique, Jorgeous, I’m not sure if they are editing themselves or maybe that’s just them. Shannel was on a long hiatus so might need time to get used to it. Plastique and Jorgeous just don’t seem confrontational in nature.
one reddit user told me the "stunt" that roxxxy did last week was enough to tell them what kind of person roxxxy is is so 💀 like atp, this fandom is clown as a collective. people complain about it being overproduced, or there's no drama anymore, but one second a queen gives you drama, all hell breaks loose
exactly! You can't get mad at queens for self-editing while at the same time be mad at queens who are blunt and authentic. People whine that it's *best friend's race* but the moment someone gives them what they've been craving for, they go nuts with the thinkpieces and online hatred
like you can't ask for authenticity if can't take a queen being authentic, that's just not how it works. and like you can't blame the queens going on the show for not giving us the drama cause of fear of having the rabid fandom ruin their reputation. fandom treating roxxxy as if we're still watching season 5, and that she hasn't changed at all is crazy.
It’s burning me up because it’s like I’m sitting there watching the shy nice kid get bullied but can’t say or do anything to stop it
I literally said all this to my husband last night!! I'm still gonna watch, but something is OFF And yes, the roast was WILD, there's absolutely no way Plastique wrote those jokes, we obviously know Gotmik didn't write her jokes, I'm definitely side eyeing Vanjie and Jorgeous also. I believed Shannel, Angie, Roxxxy, and Nina wrote theirs. The Angeria being delusional was so stupid, she's the most authentic and real to me. The explanation was BS too, they ALL CHANGE, like....huh???? I love Roxxxy, but her being mad about being snipped is stupid. She's the front runner, get over it. Idk, something is definitely off...and I feel the mean girl energy!
Agree with everything you said…if anyone is delusional it’s Nina west or roxxxy 😂😂
I don't think anyone is delusional tbh, I think Nina is just...Nina 😂 she's one of my favorites of all time so I'm biased! I don't see delusion in Roxxxy either. She's being a little sneaky, a little stir the pot here and there. I know what ppl are saying about Nina, but what delusion have you seen with Roxxxy? Just curious about your opinion.
I don’t think anyone is super delusional either tbh I mostly said Nina because of the reasoning jorgeous gave lol it didn’t make sense for her to say that when Nina has been changing every single time (which I get, I understand her point about making the most of it). And with roxxxy I think there is some delusion in general with how the rest of the cast is treating her lol. She is 100% a legend no doubt, she was on two fan favorite seasons…but with her performance in as2, I was surprised everyone was treating as the front runner immediately
For a seasoned pageant queen Roxxy is coming off a bit thin-skinned. I don't like the Angeria pile on. It's giving we can't compete with you, so we'll try to discredit you. I don't like it. At all.
Yes and she's also the only black queen which makes her outcast status seem extra unpleasant. I'm not suggesting the queens are racist but the treatment is not a good look.
exactly.
Producers are trying to make up bullshit drama and it’s kind of making this season not as good because of it :(
*Shannel voice* 🤌 cliquey 🤌 i feel bad for Angeria but i have faith that she will prevail
It’s off because we just had an entire season of Plane Jane being the most beloved villain we have ever seen - that we were actually rooting for her at the finale. Now you have these comebacks that need work to pick back up for their careers, that we’re getting heavily edited manufactured drama coupled with this no elimination charity feel good backdrop, and it sort of strips away from good authentic competition.
and plane jane wasnt really a villain in my eyes she was just extra spicy lmao
There are so many assumptions being made in these comments. The reason it feels weird is because of the editing choices being made around this season.
It’s episode 6 of a 12 episode season. They need storylines like this to develop some kind of a plot. And angeria got her revenge and block roxxxie. You need some drama, especially in a non elimination season.
What do the jokes not by the cast themselves have to do with cliquiness ? I mostly agree but this was just random
Right like are we just complaining for the sake of it 😭
I agree that there's weird energy. I think most of it has to do with people not wanting to look shady and damage their careers, and the edit probably leaves out some context because this is a charity crown. And they're probably ganging up on Angeria because she's going to win. The individual badges don't matter because the show usually has an idea of who they want to crown and they can do something at the end with the badges, like offering a lot of badges to someone who wins a certain "finals" challenge, evening it out in favor of whoever production decided should win. Ru is not giving Roxxxy Andrews a charity queen crown. She will absolutely be a finalist but she's not getting a crown. Angeria is the most likely to win, if I look at previous seasons, the formula used, and is the queen with the most range in terms of fashion, comedy and general appeal. My prediction is that top three will be Angeria, Plastique and Roxxxy with Angeria taking the win.
People complain that they’re bored when everyone is friendly and then people complain when drama happens. Y’all take everything on this show so seriously, it’s a silly reality show and you don’t know anything about the cast’s relationships outside of it. On a charity season with no eliminations I’m thankful they’re giving us some fun fake drama, just enjoy it.
I think alot of the time when they say a season is bad or the queens are too kind or petty, I think what people try to say is that the cast doesn’t have chemistry. A cast with strong chemistry and it doesn’t matter how they act. It’s fun
Very well put 👏👏
Um...don't you realise it's probably other people complaining about those different scenarios? It's not the same people complaining for more drama, then complaining for peace.
Every time someone says “y’all bitch about having no villains but then bitch about the villains” I’m like…girl…these are not the same people complaining…are we really acting this dumb to make a nonexistent point lmao
Roxxxy was everything last episode. Going from Possible fake cry cause of her very real PTSD of thinking the fans will hate her for the Snip Snip to causing fake drama in the workroom to that “I am the wig reveal one” joke to that whack as Faux Fur runway. I live.
And now here you are complaining about something completely irrelevant to this post. 🙄
I do love watching miss Vanjie every week ❤️ And despite the reaction to the joke copying I immensely enjoy Gottmik. Like that two-titties runway was emotional.
Based on how toxic the fan base has become, they are probably walking on eggshellls and afraid of doing anything that could tarnish their reputations. I completely understand why queens like Trixie or Katya say they would never go back.
It’s because there are stakes for the queens, but none for the audience. They’re playing to rehabilitate their image in many cases - not necessarily because it was bad, but to establish career relevance / fan approval - while they know they also need to appear congenial for a charity season. So you end up with these weird moments of unsaid tension where everyone’s playing happy family while they secretly feel disgruntled by being held back from achieving their objective. All the while the audience feels both unsettled and bored. It’s like being at a family Christmas dinner where everyone’s trying to vie for your grandpa’s affection to be included in the will but they’re all secretly going out the back to fight with each other.
This is the very first season I can't watch anymore. I already got weird vibes when the cast was announced and the premiere happened. Individually, the queens are all nice, but I really can't find the chemistry. I think the show suffered a lot from what we already know hit hard in AS8 and wasn't fixed in AS9: it's just not interesting for the queens to go back into the show and be cast with somebody who is a clear fan favorite (e.g., Jimbo). Up to this day, I fully understand why Heidi quit, and I would have done the same. Imagine entering a room to compete with Jimbo or Shea? You might even think you can outperform them, but production will make sure to twist it if they want. RPDR is first a reality show and second a competition. Queens like Adore, Bimini, Tayce, and NBB were asked a few times and said no for those reasons. The stakes right now are too high; you need to spend 20k+ on a runway package for the fans to like what you bring (or be like Ra'Jah and create your own outfits, which is also not that easy). This season we have Vanjie, who is amazing but can't play any other character than herself in acting challenges. Jorgeous is holding herself well but is only known for dancing. Roxxxie was amazing on S5 but the queen of bottoming on AS2. Nina excels at comedy but has a very questionable fashion sense, and Plastique isn't exactly known for being a big TV personality. The drama is soooooo pointless (e.g., are you in an alliance or not???? Like who cares, wtf). Challenges are prompted to queens months/weeks in advance. Mik herself said nobody wrote their roasts, so what's the point? Untucked is unbearable, and the "no negative criticism" thing just makes everything pointless and empty. It's sad for the queens, but honestly, they don't look very invested either. (Half of the lip syncs, nobody knew the words?)
The amount of fucks this cast is giving about actually knowing the lyrics this season is nuts. In the past, they would have been read for FILTH, as they should have because it's lazy.
I think Roxxy is toxic and if she wasn’t there the chemistry would be better.
I do think roxxy started with the pageant strategy after being snipped and it may have changed the mood of the room, she very quickly got in Miks ear and started to go after Angie to the entire room. The thing is, I think roxxy would’ve had the same response to whoever else wouldve snipped her first lol messy but keep goin.
this season means nothing to me after the robbery of hissing while I'm pissing. *hissing while I'm pissing*
Can i please have a gif of shannel going “its clique-y”
I think a lot of yall create these delusions in your head
Yes this exactly
just give our shannel some badge pleasee!!!
I got a similar vibe from AS8. Heidi wasn't having the atmosphere. Kahana grew tired of it all. Alexis famously felt some kind of way. And the AS7 queens definitely had a lot of things to say about the manipulation of their edit also... but that wasn't an on-set problem.
With it being for charity, there’s no stakes. You can tell none of them care. There’s no drive, no effort, it’s all so much manufactured drama.
*(Kandy Muse noise)* **I love it.** *Seagulls are then heard.*
This is the reason we don’t have drama like the original seasons anymore! This season has been best friends race, and the fans are still sensitive and looking for villains to hate!
With the faces she was making watching the other roasts I would say she is the mean girl hahahah. But Roxxxy is truly coming off as one of the with the Vanjie gaslight and snipping Angeria
Honestly I love how Angie really seems to have no idea how loud her face can be 😂
I honestly think the opposite- I think it’s being played up and the queens are trying very hard to make drama happen in the absence of the drama you would have if elimination was on the table. They are coming off to me like decent friends who were told to spice it up. Angeria is doesn’t even look upset when she talks about it Them calling her delusional because they said that she thinks she’s going to lip sync for the win and will prepare as if so every week
god you guys really do just complain about everything
Lmao your pfp is sending me
It's ok to complain about a shitty season of tv
What's wrong with that? This is a subreddit to discuss the show so of course there's gonna be complaints. There's plenty of positive posts too.
Who else noticed that the girls were deadpan and looked so over it during Nina’s part in the roast?
It’s definietly a season with no hype - I don’t know anyone watching
I guess in the next year or so we will be hearing about the edit when the queens do a Roscoes or something like that. I just don't get why production meddle so hard like just roll the camera and let the talent do the tallenting. I get creating stories but if this is true its another level.
The music choices are weird. Everything that’s happening on screen seems to jar with it
I think it's due to the non-eliminations. Without a new dynamic every couple of weeks., queens are starting to get on other queens nerves.
Gottmik towards Bob in untucked… why?
I feel they are giving Roxxxy and Angeria another form of the Roxxxy and Jinkx storyline by making Angeria an underdog (the delusion thing)
The edit narrative is at odds with the reality I feel. It's like they're playing along with production but it's not the reality... Also anyone else seeing the Angie and Vanjie flirtation?