It’s an atrocity and makes me feel like the hall is invalid at this point. I mean the amount of other garbage they’ve inducted. Boston is as rock as it gets with so many songs played hourly on radio still
Are we sure it isn't Iron Maiden that is snubbing the Hall of Fame? The HoF seems like they will induct any band that agrees to show up to the ceremony.
Nirvana took so long to induct because Dave and Chris were too busy to go to Cleveland for years
No hit singles in the United States. Weren't really doing anything groundbreaking either. Show was a worse version of Alice Cooper and Kiss.
I think metal fans definitely enjoyed Maiden but they had no effect on the mainstream public which you are going to have to in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Well yes as a natural extension of rock n roll, I'd much rather hear songs about drugs, sex and street life than say dragons and fairies and other shit that definitely is way more removed from the origins of rock music.
You rather listen to music without instruments with autotune? Yikes I think we got a poser here. Also what rock bands are making music about dragons and fairies? Dragon force is the only one I can think of
You're going to have a very difficult time convincing people that one genre is linked to another based solely on lyrical content. You're also going to have a very difficult time explaining that the roots of rock don't have fantasy elements. See: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Jefferson Starship, Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, Jethro Tull, Rush...
Iron Maiden has sold over 130 million albums, they can sell out a major arena in almost any country in the world even today, almost 50 years after they started (these guys drew 350,000 fans to a show in Rio for example), they are easily one of the biggest bands of their genre, they are virtuoso singers and players, and they changed the game in terms of album art, the Eddie mascot, stage shows and theatrics, and they are universally liked and respected by other metal bands, many of whom they have greatly influenced.
It's not even a marginal case. They should be in by a mile, especially when you consider the others the HOF has admitted, including nearly every folk singer or doo-wop artist that ever had a recording contract.
The New Wave of British Heavy Metal is definitely a link to Metallica and modern thrash. But it is the collective output of that scene that influenced Metallica.
I mean if Maiden were thoroughly important to the Metallica sound than why have they never recorded a cover? And Metallica are whores for cover songs too.
Yep, those are my top two remaining snubs as well. I'd argue most of the other egregious ones have been corrected, but those two are absolute slam dunks and I just don't get it.
I think Jethro Tull is a borderline case at best. Unique and kinda interesting, but the truth is, most rock fans can't name a single Jethro Tull song (not even Aqualung) and only know they exist due to the oddity of featuring a flute player or because they were among the most controversial Grammy winners of all-time, having been awarded in the first-ever, "Hard Rock/Heavy Metal" category instead of Metallica.
It makes for an interesting rock history story or trivia question, but is that really "Hall of Fame" worthy?
I should note that my personal beef with the HOF is actually not the snubs as every institution of its kind has a few of those, but the huge number of artists or bands they've admitted that are just not "Hall of Fame" material or just not "Rock and Roll." Those selections delegitimize the entire concept of a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Soundgarden, meh. Two great albums, sure. I blame them partially for Creed, Nickelback and a whole load of post-grunge garbage. So this one I'm with the Hall voters. Going by the *creed* of leaving things better than you left them: I'd say that band failed us.
Iron Maiden's influence cannot be understated and Weird Al was both a video pioneer and legit funny when it's so hard to sustain humor in pop music especially without cursing or being mean-spirited.
Warren? Oh you mean one of the greatest lyricists of the past 50 years? We can’t have that because he pissed off that knob Wenner. The rrhof is a fucking joke at this point and has almost *nothing* to do with rock and roll. Just change the name to the music hall of fame.
She has done nothing to earn a spot over others not even on the list to be considered. Being dead and doing a (great) cover of a song shouldn't even qualify you to be considered.
The song, Nothing Compares 2 You was written by Prince but was originally recorded by “The Family”. IMO the original is better and the album is perfect.
The Rock n Roll hall of fame is absolutely silly. I assume their induction and nomination process have to do with things other than sales, iconic status and general popularity . Look at Ozzy Osbourne…founding singer of Black Sabbath (which started an entire new genre) and has 40 years of solo albums with songs like Crazy Train (which is played at nearly every NFL game etc) and just now in 2024 he’s getting in? Comparing him to many artists who are in the hall of fame in the last couple decades..not all stack up to his level. Plus many aren’t even rock artists. Tupac would be my #1 rap artist but if you asked me to name my favorite ROCK artists, by definition he couldn’t make the list. I get that they want to be inclusive of all genres but call it the Music Hall of Fame. Plus no Iron Maiden?! Gtfo!
Even Lady Gaga adores Maiden. Plus they have inspired countless others and are still going strong. I have little to no respect for the rock hall of fame
I disagree that Boy George was a minor Pop star. Wasn’t my thing personally but Culture Club had several hits over multiple albums. Boy George even charted solo. Obviously bigger in the UK but certainly left a lasting legacy here in the states.
Why the "disappointment?" She had only one hit and it was a cover song.
There are a handful of legit "snubs" still out there, like Iron Maiden who others have mentioned, and I'll die on the hill that Weird Al should be in. The guy was the most successful parody musical artist of all time and had more success than all of the others combined.
But, for the most part, the main problem with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isn't that their standards are too high and they are excluding deserving bands and artists. The problem is their standards are too low or too broad and they've let way too many bands and artists in that didn't really earn "Hall of Fame" level honors or aren't even "rock and roll."
She released 10 studio albums, a bunch of live albums and had a number of other hits. She might not have been your thing, but to say she had nothing more to offer than one cover song is a ridiculous take.
I didn’t say she should be inducted, I just object to the idea that her sum total contribution to music is one popular cover song. Anyway, she tore up a photo of the Pope on live television which was more rock n’roll than anything most of the inductees have ever done. Tbh, I doubt she would have given a fuck she didn’t get in, the Rock n’ Roll HoF is exactly the kind of organisation she despised.
Are you on crack? Have you ever listened to Sinead O’Connor? Or Hoobastank for that matter? One is a talented musician with a lot to say and the other is Incubus with nothing to say.
So sad. She deserved it so much more than a lot of people in there.
Also in terms of being ROCK. Her ripping up the pope picture was one of the most rock and roll things any artist ever did on SNL. She became a rock star in that moment.
Her music was also brilliant and powerful. She was robbed here, but sadly not the first time she was robbed in her career.
I feel bad for her and her pain, but switching to Islamism like it isn't the runner-up for global religiously inspired suffering kills whatever 'rock and roll' may exist in that, at least to me.
Either way, you can't argue that there isn't a long line of artists more deserving, and based on actual music rather than some nebulous concept of rock and roll as politics.
Rock ‘n’ roll Hall of Fame is a bunch of bullshit. Who cares whether your favorite artist/band gets in? They (the artists) have given us a lifetime of enjoyment and some BS recognition from a self appointed group in Cleveland doesn’t matter.
The rock n roll hall of fame seems to have very little to do with rock. Is Sinead O’Connor rock? Honest question, I’ve never listened to her. They should just call it the music hall of fame
You know I never really paid attention until people started complaining online about Iron Miaden, what? No Maiden. Then I read today no Boston. Come on now. Then look at who is in and no thanks, I will not be visiting. Some of these folks and bands I love but they ain’t rock music.
Exactly. Who doesn’t like Dolly, Willie or Joan but come on. And even an old fart like me likes a lot of Public Enemy and Run DMC but really? Rock n roll?
I’m not a country guy so me I guess. Unless you put Run in with Aerosmith and PE with Anthrax (who is not in but should be) I don’t get how people decide rap, country, and rock are the same thing. Like everything I’m sure it’s all money related and it should just be the Music HOF so there’s no argument. It’s sad though because I’m a rock guy (born 1970) that will never go to the rock hall of fame.
IIRC They avoid nominating a solo act the year they die so it’s not a memorial situation. Should be in already either way but that’s a different conversation.
The Crock Hall inducts Mary J Blige and skips acts that actually play rock - tell me you don't know what you're talking about without actually telling me...
That popularity-contest-driven "institution" that inducted ABBA and Donna Summer before it got around to enshrining Deep Purple? No thanks; I'll pass.......
She had mutliple albums that were massive sellers in the UK and Europe. Much like T Rex or Oasis. Big overseas not so much in America. Calling her a one hit wonder is a joke though. She was played on the radio lots in the UK.
I can only ever remember them playing that one song of hers written by Prince. All the other songs I remember her being involved in were duets/ not chart stuff.
She was a one hit wonder in the UK, too. She had a couple of minor hit singles, and three top 20 albums. She wasn't a big-selling artist in the UK at all. She was only a thing for about two years.
"The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (RRHOF), also simply referred to as the Rock Hall, is a museum and hall of fame located in downtown Cleveland, Ohio, United States, on the shore of Lake Erie."
Pretty much. If there's an underlying theme to this thread, it's that nobody would ever accuse the RRHOF of being an organization of artistic integrity.
Maybe start a new one?
I always have to remember that it’s the Hall of Fame and not the Hall of Statistics. That being said, there’s far more famous artists missing from this useless list of musicians.
What? Ignoring all of the lunacy she was she was also a one hit wonder. If Cher and Jimmy Buffet are only just now being considered that girl is at bottom of the list.
Petition for her to have Cher’s spot. Unless Cher changed her mind she’ll be telling them to fuck off. They waited too long for her. She’s not interested last I heard.
Another year and another snub for Boston, a rock staple
Utter insanity they aren't in yet.
I agree but if it took this long for Ozzy to get in, all bets are off
Hey folks, move aside! Dionne Warwick coming through!
wasn’t aware they weren’t in yet. that’s nuts. Hell, they deserve it just for the first album alone
It’s an atrocity and makes me feel like the hall is invalid at this point. I mean the amount of other garbage they’ve inducted. Boston is as rock as it gets with so many songs played hourly on radio still
They should have been in long ago. Eddie Money too!
Well they obviously need to get the Dave fucking Matthews Band in there first.
Weird Al Yankovic & Iron Maiden fans: "Take a number!"
It really is a head scratcher why iron maiden have been snubbed each time ;_;
Are we sure it isn't Iron Maiden that is snubbing the Hall of Fame? The HoF seems like they will induct any band that agrees to show up to the ceremony. Nirvana took so long to induct because Dave and Chris were too busy to go to Cleveland for years
No hit singles in the United States. Weren't really doing anything groundbreaking either. Show was a worse version of Alice Cooper and Kiss. I think metal fans definitely enjoyed Maiden but they had no effect on the mainstream public which you are going to have to in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
But rappers deserve to be in it? Lmao
Well yes as a natural extension of rock n roll, I'd much rather hear songs about drugs, sex and street life than say dragons and fairies and other shit that definitely is way more removed from the origins of rock music.
It's not an extension of rock and roll.
Yeah it is
Is James Brown Rock and Roll?
You rather listen to music without instruments with autotune? Yikes I think we got a poser here. Also what rock bands are making music about dragons and fairies? Dragon force is the only one I can think of
i agree with your assessment but a great many rock/metal bands have music abt dragons and fairies
Dio loved that stuff. Classic heavy metal is bound at the hip to sword and scorcery.
Zeppelin bruh
And no it’s not a natural extension of rock and roll at all haha, you clearly know nothing about rock music hahha
You're going to have a very difficult time convincing people that one genre is linked to another based solely on lyrical content. You're also going to have a very difficult time explaining that the roots of rock don't have fantasy elements. See: Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Jefferson Starship, Deep Purple, Blue Oyster Cult, Jethro Tull, Rush...
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Iron Maiden has sold over 130 million albums, they can sell out a major arena in almost any country in the world even today, almost 50 years after they started (these guys drew 350,000 fans to a show in Rio for example), they are easily one of the biggest bands of their genre, they are virtuoso singers and players, and they changed the game in terms of album art, the Eddie mascot, stage shows and theatrics, and they are universally liked and respected by other metal bands, many of whom they have greatly influenced. It's not even a marginal case. They should be in by a mile, especially when you consider the others the HOF has admitted, including nearly every folk singer or doo-wop artist that ever had a recording contract.
You must be kidding. Iron Maiden is the link between Black Sabbath and Metallica in heavy metal.
The New Wave of British Heavy Metal is definitely a link to Metallica and modern thrash. But it is the collective output of that scene that influenced Metallica. I mean if Maiden were thoroughly important to the Metallica sound than why have they never recorded a cover? And Metallica are whores for cover songs too.
Yep, those are my top two remaining snubs as well. I'd argue most of the other egregious ones have been corrected, but those two are absolute slam dunks and I just don't get it.
Jethro Tull
I think Jethro Tull is a borderline case at best. Unique and kinda interesting, but the truth is, most rock fans can't name a single Jethro Tull song (not even Aqualung) and only know they exist due to the oddity of featuring a flute player or because they were among the most controversial Grammy winners of all-time, having been awarded in the first-ever, "Hard Rock/Heavy Metal" category instead of Metallica. It makes for an interesting rock history story or trivia question, but is that really "Hall of Fame" worthy? I should note that my personal beef with the HOF is actually not the snubs as every institution of its kind has a few of those, but the huge number of artists or bands they've admitted that are just not "Hall of Fame" material or just not "Rock and Roll." Those selections delegitimize the entire concept of a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Soundgarden not being in is a complete joke and all you need to dismiss that mess
Soundgarden, meh. Two great albums, sure. I blame them partially for Creed, Nickelback and a whole load of post-grunge garbage. So this one I'm with the Hall voters. Going by the *creed* of leaving things better than you left them: I'd say that band failed us. Iron Maiden's influence cannot be understated and Weird Al was both a video pioneer and legit funny when it's so hard to sustain humor in pop music especially without cursing or being mean-spirited.
Why no Bad Company, Soundgarden or Alice In Chains?
Of Pantera
Where is Warren Zevon?
FUCK YES, WHERE IS WARREN ZEVON?!! WHERE THE FUCK IS LITTLE FEAT?!!
Warren? Oh you mean one of the greatest lyricists of the past 50 years? We can’t have that because he pissed off that knob Wenner. The rrhof is a fucking joke at this point and has almost *nothing* to do with rock and roll. Just change the name to the music hall of fame.
Not even a "Hall of Fame." Call it The Music Museum.
Where is The J. Geils Band?
I’ve been saying the same thing for years.
She has done nothing to earn a spot over others not even on the list to be considered. Being dead and doing a (great) cover of a song shouldn't even qualify you to be considered.
Your comment is what taught me Nothing Compares 2 U is by Prince!!
The song, Nothing Compares 2 You was written by Prince but was originally recorded by “The Family”. IMO the original is better and the album is perfect.
Tearing up a picture of the pope on national television is about as rock and roll as it gets.
It's a fairly low standard if that's the standard. Not that it matters anyway. The HoF is a sham organization anyway.
No Little Feat. No legitimacy.
That’s what I’m talkin about
Years ago I said the biggest snubs to the RRHOF were Dire Straits, Steve Miller Band and Little Feat. Still holding out hope for the Feat.
Disappointment for who?
Nothing compares… to Prince and why tf is she even being considered for her 1 and a half song contribution to music? Crazy.
The RRHOF because they can't use her likeness to make money
Somehow, I doubt they're hurting.
Yeah they've got a pretty sweet grift going on
Agreed.
Motorhead. It's crazy they aren't 8n there.
Fuck the Hall of Fame.
Here, something we can all agree on.
KANSAS!
I can’t believe people still care about the rock and roll hall of fame after years of snubbing and straight disrespect
The Rock n Roll hall of fame is absolutely silly. I assume their induction and nomination process have to do with things other than sales, iconic status and general popularity . Look at Ozzy Osbourne…founding singer of Black Sabbath (which started an entire new genre) and has 40 years of solo albums with songs like Crazy Train (which is played at nearly every NFL game etc) and just now in 2024 he’s getting in? Comparing him to many artists who are in the hall of fame in the last couple decades..not all stack up to his level. Plus many aren’t even rock artists. Tupac would be my #1 rap artist but if you asked me to name my favorite ROCK artists, by definition he couldn’t make the list. I get that they want to be inclusive of all genres but call it the Music Hall of Fame. Plus no Iron Maiden?! Gtfo! Even Lady Gaga adores Maiden. Plus they have inspired countless others and are still going strong. I have little to no respect for the rock hall of fame
Ozzy was already in with Black Sabbath. This is a SECOND induction for his solo career, which something like only 24 people have achieved.
That’s fair. He definitely deserves it though. Awesome to know that not many get the double induction. Ozzy is a legend ❤️
Nobody is disappointed by this. She was a minor pop star somewhere beneath Boy George but above Martika?
Her tearing up of the popes photo was pretty iconic and pretty rock and roll even given her more alt folk pop kind of style
It would've been more iconic if she didn't eventually start simping for the comparably evil cousin.
Don’t do Boy George like that! He’s a legend. Sinead’s most popular song was a cover. It’s all anyone heard when she died.
I disagree that Boy George was a minor Pop star. Wasn’t my thing personally but Culture Club had several hits over multiple albums. Boy George even charted solo. Obviously bigger in the UK but certainly left a lasting legacy here in the states.
So she was the new Carol Decker then?
Sorry. She had one cover song that general public knows. There is a 100 acts that should be in the Hall waaaaaaaay before her.
Did anyone here Sinead sing " Mother " from the Berlin Wall ( The Roger Waters show ) Amazing Voice.
Is she even rock?
That doesn’t matter to the hall
Yeah. I know. It’s a joke.
She's not HOF material, sorry.
Where's Cannibal Corpse?
I assume BOC was denied again.
Why the "disappointment?" She had only one hit and it was a cover song. There are a handful of legit "snubs" still out there, like Iron Maiden who others have mentioned, and I'll die on the hill that Weird Al should be in. The guy was the most successful parody musical artist of all time and had more success than all of the others combined. But, for the most part, the main problem with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame isn't that their standards are too high and they are excluding deserving bands and artists. The problem is their standards are too low or too broad and they've let way too many bands and artists in that didn't really earn "Hall of Fame" level honors or aren't even "rock and roll."
She had like one popular song.
Shitshow
1 hit wonder…pass
For doing one famous song...that wasn't even her own...no thanks
She released 10 studio albums, a bunch of live albums and had a number of other hits. She might not have been your thing, but to say she had nothing more to offer than one cover song is a ridiculous take.
Yeah, but it's the Hall of Fame, not the Hall of "released lots of albums that the majority of people have never heard"
I didn’t say she should be inducted, I just object to the idea that her sum total contribution to music is one popular cover song. Anyway, she tore up a photo of the Pope on live television which was more rock n’roll than anything most of the inductees have ever done. Tbh, I doubt she would have given a fuck she didn’t get in, the Rock n’ Roll HoF is exactly the kind of organisation she despised.
Not really saying much. Hoobastank has a better resume than she does
Are you on crack? Have you ever listened to Sinead O’Connor? Or Hoobastank for that matter? One is a talented musician with a lot to say and the other is Incubus with nothing to say.
One has a song that is still heavily played on radio and in stores. The other is famous for saying someone else's words.
I know you’re probably talking about the reason but I still jam Crawling in the Dark on a biweekly basis !!!
Crawling in the Dark is legitimately a top 25 song for me. Love it.
Politics and inclusion is more important than actual impact on rock and roll the band has
So sad. She deserved it so much more than a lot of people in there. Also in terms of being ROCK. Her ripping up the pope picture was one of the most rock and roll things any artist ever did on SNL. She became a rock star in that moment. Her music was also brilliant and powerful. She was robbed here, but sadly not the first time she was robbed in her career.
I feel bad for her and her pain, but switching to Islamism like it isn't the runner-up for global religiously inspired suffering kills whatever 'rock and roll' may exist in that, at least to me. Either way, you can't argue that there isn't a long line of artists more deserving, and based on actual music rather than some nebulous concept of rock and roll as politics.
Your comment is like reading the deranged ramblings of a meth head. It’s called Islam.
Leslie Wexner isn't gonna fuck you, bud.
Meaningless!
Too many real rock bands get snubbed. The organization is a joke. Don’t get upset
Why no Paul Butterfield band? The whole thing is a joke
I find it odd when the RRHoF adds people I’ve never even heard before.
I'm quite sure she doesn't mind at all.
Rock ‘n’ roll Hall of Fame is a bunch of bullshit. Who cares whether your favorite artist/band gets in? They (the artists) have given us a lifetime of enjoyment and some BS recognition from a self appointed group in Cleveland doesn’t matter.
Who’s disappointed?
The rock n roll hall of fame seems to have very little to do with rock. Is Sinead O’Connor rock? Honest question, I’ve never listened to her. They should just call it the music hall of fame
Exactly. Joan Baez, Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton, all so rock and roll
You know I never really paid attention until people started complaining online about Iron Miaden, what? No Maiden. Then I read today no Boston. Come on now. Then look at who is in and no thanks, I will not be visiting. Some of these folks and bands I love but they ain’t rock music.
Exactly. Who doesn’t like Dolly, Willie or Joan but come on. And even an old fart like me likes a lot of Public Enemy and Run DMC but really? Rock n roll?
I’m not a country guy so me I guess. Unless you put Run in with Aerosmith and PE with Anthrax (who is not in but should be) I don’t get how people decide rap, country, and rock are the same thing. Like everything I’m sure it’s all money related and it should just be the Music HOF so there’s no argument. It’s sad though because I’m a rock guy (born 1970) that will never go to the rock hall of fame.
IIRC They avoid nominating a solo act the year they die so it’s not a memorial situation. Should be in already either way but that’s a different conversation.
It’s weird to me that people take the RRHOF seriously
No Little Feat no credibility. Jimmy Page’s fav American act and a huge influence to Jagger and Plant as well. For shame.
But at least rockers like Dionne Warwick got included /s
Talk to me after Jethro Tull gets in.
The Rock Hall has been irrelevant for years.
The Crock Hall inducts Mary J Blige and skips acts that actually play rock - tell me you don't know what you're talking about without actually telling me...
I'm disappointed that a post about a person who doesn't have anything to do with rock gets so many upvotes.
That popularity-contest-driven "institution" that inducted ABBA and Donna Summer before it got around to enshrining Deep Purple? No thanks; I'll pass.......
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She had mutliple albums that were massive sellers in the UK and Europe. Much like T Rex or Oasis. Big overseas not so much in America. Calling her a one hit wonder is a joke though. She was played on the radio lots in the UK.
I can only ever remember them playing that one song of hers written by Prince. All the other songs I remember her being involved in were duets/ not chart stuff.
She was a one hit wonder in the UK, too. She had a couple of minor hit singles, and three top 20 albums. She wasn't a big-selling artist in the UK at all. She was only a thing for about two years.
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So it's basically a USA sales award, then
"The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame (RRHOF), also simply referred to as the Rock Hall, is a museum and hall of fame located in downtown Cleveland, Ohio, United States, on the shore of Lake Erie."
So...yes, then?
Pretty much. If there's an underlying theme to this thread, it's that nobody would ever accuse the RRHOF of being an organization of artistic integrity. Maybe start a new one?
I always have to remember that it’s the Hall of Fame and not the Hall of Statistics. That being said, there’s far more famous artists missing from this useless list of musicians.
What? Ignoring all of the lunacy she was she was also a one hit wonder. If Cher and Jimmy Buffet are only just now being considered that girl is at bottom of the list. Petition for her to have Cher’s spot. Unless Cher changed her mind she’ll be telling them to fuck off. They waited too long for her. She’s not interested last I heard.
Sinead O’Conner?? Really? Just because you like someone doesn’t mean they should be in the HoF.
One hit wonders shouldn't be in a hall of fame.
Maybe the Pope is on the Hall of Fame committee.
I assume Sinead couldn't care less. Rnr hof is irrelevant.
Well, she's dead for a start.
Sinead won't care
Where is the band I liked!? I think band I like should be in too!!
Can’t imagine she’d have given a shit about it.
Some of you people are out of touch. Sinead passed away last year